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After 9-11, they found a passport from one of the hijackers.

"ABCNEWS sources identify another hijacker as Satan Suqami, a Saudi national on American Airlines Flight 11, whose passport was recovered in the rubble."

Ok, so we have 2 possible scenarios as to how this happened:

1. Terrorist named Satan rolled down the Boeing 747 window to smoke a cigarette and by accident his passport fell out of his pocket unto the streets of New York.

2. Terrorist named Satan needed to take a piss, opened the Boeing 747 door to take a leak and in the moment decided to throw his passport unto the streets of New York just for fun of it.

Ok, people, i know you think everything the officials tell you is true..............but really, come on, this is just The Elite making fun of us being ignorant and gullible!


Steel columns melted, burned for weeks after but paper passports stay unharmed!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!! LMAO!

I would propose a counter argument, but after reading your last few posts, I believe it would be rather pointless.

dont forget the guy whos passport it was is still alive lol.

so its obvious you have the government planting fake evidence but where is this info in the media? why would the government have to plant fake evidence if bin laden was really responsible?

Originally posted by Deano
dont forget the guy whos passport it was is still alive lol.

"The guy" you are talking about is Satam al-Suqami, and please post the evidence behind your above statement.

As for the misleasding title of the thread and the simplistic cobservation behind it ...

Of course paper burns you simpleton, but massive explosions and collisions on the scale that took place that day scatter debris, not instantly insinerate it.

Paper can burst into flames if it is hot enough. I do think it was hot enough.
Also how does a paper passport survive but the black box's or voice recorders were destroyed or too much damaged.

Originally posted by Furion
Paper can burst into flames if it is hot enough.

Exactly, but if upon a major impact and utter destruction of an object and the expulsion of its contents across a massive area occurs and those ejected items do not land in a fire...they will not burn.

Originally posted by Furion
Also how does a paper passport survive but the black box's or voice recorders were destroyed or too much damaged.

See above circumstance. You are thinking pretty simplistically about a complex event. The resulting location and conditions of materials of a debris field from an impact and explosion of a plane into a building and the consequent collapse of that building has to take into consideration the location of the item on the plane at time of impact, the speed of the impact, the manner in which the plane ripped apart, the effect of the structure on the destruction of the plane, the prevailing winds of the day including the force of air movement upon and post impact as well as the air movement resulting from the rapid heating cause from the explosion of impact along with many other variables.

Those who look for simple answers or explanations in order to support their argument or who pose simple questions to try and prove a their misguided points should be dismissed.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Bla Bla Expensive Words Bla

Funny theory you cooked up mate. You will surely be able to convince some people with all those big words. In the end, its just your theory. Where is the proof that you are right?

They didnt find any of the corpes but they did find a passport.

Only a fool would believe that.

You are right Karmadog, fire does not burn paper only people, steel columns and Boeing 747s.

You do realize never before has one of those black boxes gone missing.
The chances of the passport not being burned while everything else is destroyed is just stupid. It didn't even need to be near the fire, it would of combusted because it was so hot.

Originally posted by Furion
You do realize never before has one of those black boxes gone missing.

That's rubbish, black boxes have gone missing a number of times.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
That's rubbish, black boxes have gone missing a number of times.

Of course that's a minor point that will be chosen to be ignored.

As for the comments about my "expensive words" and the ramblings that followed that didn't amke any sense or address what was said...all I have to say is that your ignorance is almost overwhelming.

Words aren't expensive, they're quite free. If you are unable to understand them or their meaning, then instead of criticizing when they are used properly you should take the time to educate yourself.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
That's rubbish, black boxes have gone missing a number of times.
excluding places like Oceans. And Confining them to Suicide bombings and crashes. They are made out of pretty tough steel and I highly doubt them melting.

if these terrorists are still alive...,where is the proof?

The BBC and the Daily Telegraph reported on September 23 that some of the people named as the hijackers by the FBI were actually "alive and well". One of them was Waleed al-Shehri, who they said they had found in Casablanca, Morocco. Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and Khalid al-Midhar, three other hijackers, were all said to be living in the Middle East. On September 19, the FDIC even distributed a "special alert" which listed al-Mihdhar as alive (the Justice Department later said this was a typographical error). These reports have led to claims that the names of the hijackers may be incorrect, or that the hijacking scenarios outlined in the 9/11 Commission Report may not be the truth.

All of the reports have since been acknowledged as cases of mistaken identity by the publications involved and by other news organisations such as the New York Times. The BBC said that confusion may have arisen because the FBI names were common Arabic and Islamic names. In 2002, Saudi Arabia asserted that the names of the hijackers were correct.

Attention has also been given to news reports that might indicate that the named hijackers were not typical Islamic extremists, nor typical suicide terrorists. For example, Mohammad Atta reportedly ate pork, drank alcohol, gambled in casinos and went to strip clubs
pulled from wikipedia.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
if these terrorists are still alive...,where is the proof?

I saw a guy who looked like one of the terrorists the other day.

Musta been him.

Originally posted by Furion

Also how does a paper passport survive but the black box's or voice recorders were destroyed or too much damaged.

mmm...what's harder....ceramic or paper (as an example)...clearly ceramic...now what happens if i hit both with a hammer...the ceramic objecy breaks...the paper stays undamaged....shazam...its magic

Originally posted by Furion
The BBC and the Daily Telegraph reported on September 23 that some of the people named as the hijackers by the FBI were actually "alive and well". One of them was Waleed al-Shehri, who they said they had found in Casablanca, Morocco. Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and Khalid al-Midhar, three other hijackers, were all said to be living in the Middle East. On September 19, the FDIC even distributed a "special alert" which listed al-Mihdhar as alive (the Justice Department later said this was a typographical error). These reports have led to claims that the names of the hijackers may be incorrect, or that the hijacking scenarios outlined in the 9/11 Commission Report may not be the truth.

All of the reports have since been acknowledged as cases of mistaken identity by the publications involved and by other news organisations such as the New York Times. The BBC said that confusion may have arisen because the FBI names were common Arabic and Islamic names. In 2002, Saudi Arabia asserted that the names of the hijackers were correct.

Attention has also been given to news reports that might indicate that the named hijackers were not typical Islamic extremists, nor typical suicide terrorists. For example, Mohammad Atta reportedly ate pork, drank alcohol, gambled in casinos and went to strip clubs
pulled from wikipedia.

but..but...the mainstream media is evil and all it does is broadcast and print lies

Originally posted by KharmaDog
bla

Please, tell me Educated One Who Knows All.

Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Stop talking about big words and other unrelated stuff trying to divert this conversation.

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? I WANT PROOF. PROVE TO ME THAT FIRE DOES NOT BURN PAPER ONLY STEEL COLUMN BUILDINGS, PEOPLE AND BOEINGS?

You dont have any proof, only gullible theories. Your next reply will evade my questions. You will not be able to prove anything.

Please, show the people, how you are once again going to evade my questions.

My tip Kharmadog, take your passport, throw in it in a fire and see what happens. Its called The Laws of Physics!

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
if these terrorists are still alive...,where is the proof?

absolute classic quote.

government says bin laden and his men did it and i dont ask for proof. (there is none). i'll just take there word for it.

but anyone that goes against the official line must be asked for proof.

brilliant

Of course, explosions create shockwaves before flames. As for the guy being alive, that's not evidence of governmental action and coverup, that could just as easily mean the passport was stolen.

Originally posted by jaden101
but..but...the mainstream media is evil and all it does is broadcast and print lies
except why would they do something like that which would make people question 9/11?
'Guess what, there was fire and extreme heat at the World Trade Center. Paper would burst into flames from the heat in the surrounding area.

Originally posted by Katsu
Please, tell me Educated One Who Knows All.

Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Stop talking about big words and other unrelated stuff trying to divert this conversation.

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? I WANT PROOF. PROVE TO ME THAT FIRE DOES NOT BURN PAPER ONLY STEEL COLUMN BUILDINGS, PEOPLE AND BOEINGS?

You dont have any proof, only gullible theories. Your next reply will evade my questions. You will not be able to prove anything.

Please, show the people, how you are once again going to evade my questions.

My tip Kharmadog, take your passport, throw in it in a fire and see what happens. Its called The Laws of Physics!

Wow....you're a nutjob.

He did it, he evaded the question

Originally posted by Furion
He did it, he evaded the question

There is no question to answer. Just the ramblings of a halfwit with meager language skills.


Originally posted by Katsu
Please, tell me Educated One Who Knows All.

You make yourself look like an ass with that comment.

Originally posted by Katsu
Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Stop talking about big words and other unrelated stuff trying to divert this conversation.

You are the one talking about "big words". You diverted the conversation. Everything that I talked about is related.

Originally posted by Katsu
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? I WANT PROOF. PROVE TO ME THAT FIRE DOES NOT BURN PAPER ONLY STEEL COLUMN BUILDINGS, PEOPLE AND BOEINGS?

You didn't read my post did you? Once again, you look like an irrational child with poor reading skills.

Originally posted by Katsu
You dont have any proof, only gullible theories. Your next reply will evade my questions. You will not be able to prove anything.

I have nothing to prove. There is no question to evade. You are a moron.

Originally posted by Katsu
Please, show the people, how you are once again going to evade my questions.

I have nothing to prove. There is no question to evade. You are a moron.

Originally posted by Katsu
My tip Kharmadog, take your passport, throw in it in a fire and see what happens. Its called The Laws of Physics!

Don't talk of physics, you barely understand English.

Obviously paper burns when in fire. Obviously you are an idiot.
Slow down, breath deep and think. Take a garbage can, fill it full of 4 pounds of C4 and a dozen reams of paper. Duct tape the lid shut. Blow up the Garbage can. Will all the paper be incinerated?

Originally posted by Furion
'Guess what, there was fire and extreme heat at the World Trade Center. Paper would burst into flames from the heat in the surrounding area.

The surrounding area was not that hot.

I am embarrassed to be arguing such simplistic points.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
bla disinfo bla

No corpses were found, no remains of the Boeing were found, the entire WTC was incinerated to ashes.

Why would a passport survive?

Why, according to your theory, havent we found a terrorist lying in the streets but only his passport?

Any normal person would never believe such a blatant lie. Its so obvious!

Only a disinfo agent would think of such ridiculous theory.

How much do you get paid by the elite?

I suppose there is the slight possibility of the passport being somehow trapped under some thick bit of metal borrowed from wolverines skeleton, which had been sprinkled with a certain unique chemical water compound long enough to save it, this could have caused an unique vacuum under itself due to pressure and suction of the air being burnt, and the melting floor around the passport.

But I doubt it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I suppose there is the slight possibility of the passport being somehow trapped under some thick bit of metal borrowed from wolverines skeleton, which had been sprinkled with a certain unique chemical water compound long enough to save it, this could have caused an unique vacuum under itself due to pressure and suction of the air being burnt, and the melting floor around the passport.

But I doubt it.

LMAO!

Excellent theory mate!

I have nothing more to say, this theory has to be true.

Case Closed

Why has no one addressed this question?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Take a garbage can, fill it full of 4 pounds of C4 and a dozen reams of paper. Duct tape the lid shut. Blow up the Garbage can. Will all the paper be incinerated?

Originally posted by Katsu
No corpses were found, no remains of the Boeing were found, the entire WTC was incinerated to ashes.

Why would a passport survive?

Why, according to your theory, havent we found a terrorist lying in the streets but only his passport?

Any normal person would never believe such a blatant lie. Its so obvious!

Only a disinfo agent would think of such ridiculous theory.

How much do you get paid by the elite?

you do realise that every part of that is just absolute rubbish dont you?

there is photographic evidence of large pieces of the plane both within the wreckage...not to mention the engine that landed several streets from the WTC

there were thousands of body parts recovered...including ones still dressed in flight crew clothing

not to mention you only need to look at video footage of the aftermath of the towers collapsing to see hundreds of thousands of pieces of paper

dont believe me

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/911-flight175windows-l.jpg
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/6310312271.jpg/6310312271-large.jpg http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69_landing-gear-tire_west-rector-s.jpg/7-69_landing-gear-tire_west-rector-s-full.jpg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpXS6xU_48

the start of that piece shows u a load of paper in the streets ^

and for the people who say it was a controlled straight down demolition

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-RCpdy9tw

the footage at 3.15 on this video...look at the massive piece of the tower still standing on the right hand side...does that happen in controlled demolitions?....mmm...dont think so

I'm just going to leave this thread cause you guys are beyond stupid. you're retarded. If you're going to think pure crap then good for you.

Originally posted by Furion
I'm just going to leave this thread cause you guys are beyond stupid. you're retarded. If you're going to think pure crap then good for you.

yeah...that's why you're leaving the thread....nothing to do with your points just getting raped to death

Originally posted by Furion
I'm just going to leave this thread cause you guys are beyond stupid. you're retarded. If you're going to think pure crap then good for you.

Cut and run and try to save dignity...too late.

Originally posted by jaden101
yeah...that's why you're leaving the thread....nothing to do with your points just getting raped to death

The obvious nature of that comment is both biting and slightly humorous.

I checked his profile, the kid is 13 years old. Why is every conspiracy theorist and naive/immature kid or a complete wing-nut?

al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11. end.of.story.

Originally posted by Deano
al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11. end.of.story.

That is an impotent comment.

I'll even raise the stakes to my question directed to many of the mental midgets in this forum:

Take a garbage can, fill it full of 4 pounds of C4 and a dozen reams of paper. Add a gallon and a half of gasoline. Duct tape the lid shut. Blow up the Garbage can. Will all the paper be incinerated?

Originally posted by KharmaDog




The obvious nature of that comment is both biting and slightly humorous.



i try to blend a heady mix of subtlety and complete bluntness...i find it most effective

Originally posted by jaden101
i try to blend a heady mix of subtlety and complete bluntness.

Balance is everything.

Ok, disinfo agents, you "win", the Official Story is true. Fire does not burn Paper.

Still.......

The science community around the world and Japanese parliament tell us that official story is a LIE and can never be true because the laws of physics are involved. Now, when it comes to credibility ill go with the scientists and Japanese parliament anyday. You are only noobish nitwits posting on some movie forum who have not studied the laws of physics, obviously.

Why would i believe your ignorant theories when scientists contradict everything you have said?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Cut and run and try to save dignity...too late.



The obvious nature of that comment is both biting and slightly humorous.

I checked his profile, the kid is 13 years old. Why is every conspiracy theorist and naive/immature kid or a complete wing-nut?
I congratulate you on being retarded. I congratulate you for thinking of stupid things like a passport surviving but a black box being destroyed. I congratulate you for thinking a simple plane crash and fire breaks down tough steel barriers. I congratulate you for believing in a guy who continued to read a book to a class of children for 10 minutes after he was informed that the second tower was hit and the nation was under attack. Congratulations.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
That is an impotent comment.

I'll even raise the stakes to my question directed to many of the mental midgets in this forum:

Take a garbage can, fill it full of 4 pounds of C4 and a dozen reams of paper. Add a gallon and a half of gasoline. Duct tape the lid shut. Blow up the Garbage can. Will all the paper be incinerated?

so by your conclusion, bin laden was responsible. ok. and here i was thinking he was just another cia asset

Originally posted by jaden101
you do realise that every part of that is just absolute rubbish dont you?

there is photographic evidence of large pieces of the plane both within the wreckage...not to mention the engine that landed several streets from the WTC

there were thousands of body parts recovered...including ones still dressed in flight crew clothing

not to mention you only need to look at video footage of the aftermath of the towers collapsing to see hundreds of thousands of pieces of paper

dont believe me

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/911-flight175windows-l.jpg
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/6310312271.jpg/6310312271-large.jpg http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69_landing-gear-tire_west-rector-s.jpg/7-69_landing-gear-tire_west-rector-s-full.jpg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpXS6xU_48

the start of that piece shows u a load of paper in the streets ^

and for the people who say it was a controlled straight down demolition

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-RCpdy9tw

the footage at 3.15 on this video...look at the massive piece of the tower still standing on the right hand side...does that happen in controlled demolitions?....mmm...dont think so
Ah, that's grand.

Apparently though, it means nothing because 'no proof' rules it out.

Originally posted by Katsu


Still.......

The science community around the world and Japanese parliament tell us that official story is a LIE and can never be true because the laws of physics are involved. Now, when it comes to credibility ill go with the scientists and Japanese parliament anyday. You are only noobish nitwits posting on some movie forum who have not studied the laws of physics, obviously.

Why would i believe your ignorant theories when scientists contradict everything you have said?

i posted a comprehensive list of all the independant people who ACTUALLY carried out the scientific investigative work into the 9/11 attacks and they dispute your opinion...and thats what yours and any scientist who only investigated 2nd hand published work is...opinion

"noobish nitwits!...ok then...i have a bachelor of science with honours 1st class degree in forensic science which includes qualification in fires, fuels and explosives....i have masters in document forgery and i'm studying for a PhD in forensic science which includes instrumental analysis for drugs and fire & explosion investigation

so i do actually know a little about what is being discussed in relation to those attacks

like i said before though...feel free to browse through the 9/11 thread for the back and forth between the pro conspiracy and anti conspiracy arguments and see if anything changes your mind...most likely it wont but at least you'll have learned something

doesnt change the fact that al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11.

instead of arguing over little things. you should look at the big picture.

who stands to gain from the sept 11 attacks? is government sponsored terrorism common? what has happened regarding freedoms since 9/11. who trained al quaida? who funded them?

look at what the pnac document said.

Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein ...
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor ...

what happened 11 months later? comon.

Originally posted by Deano
doesnt change the fact that al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11.

instead of arguing over little things. you should look at the big picture.

who stands to gain from the sept 11 attacks? is government sponsored terrorism common? what has happened regarding freedoms since 9/11. who trained al quaida? who funded them?

look at what the pnac document said.

Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

basically it says it will be hard to get the public to go along with an invasion of iraq unless a major pearl harbour like event was to happen

what happened 11 months later? comon.

who does stand to gain from the sept 11th attacks?...certainly not the US seeing as its stock markets crashed badly after the attacks (why would the US wipe out top people from its own banking sector) and is now on the verge of a massive recession

as for statements like "who trained al qaeda?"...well it wasn't al qaeda then was it...it was the mujahadeen...and if you think that a proxy war against the USSR during the height of the cold war wasn't the reason behind the funding...then you're mistaken...and more so if you think there was some sinister "take over the world" agenda

granted the way in which the mujahadeen were casually tossed aside after the afghan war ended is partly responsible for bringing about al qaeda...but who was to know

the irony of course is that your proposal that the US attacked its own banking system and its own intelligence agency would suggest that there weren't countries and groups around the world that absolutely hate the US with a passion

Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one?

Make an experiment at home. Make a little fire in your moms kitchen...throw your dad's passport through the flames and see whether it is instantly burned or whether it survived.

That experiment has two positive aspects. One you will understand why passports don't always burn and two the severe beating you will receive might forever smack out your silly ideas.

yes but the US DID NOT attack themselves. this rich elite did, and they stand to gain. they dont care about the US, they are using them as there vehicle for global domination. all they care about is control. there nwo agenda is priority. i cant stress that enough.

Originally posted by Deano
yes but the US DID NOT attack themselves. this rich elite did, and they stand to gain. they dont care about the US, they are using them as there vehicle for global domination. all they care about is control. there nwo agenda is priority. i cant stress that enough.

so why did you bother posting



it's either the US...or it's not

Originally posted by Furion
I congratulate you on being retarded. I congratulate you for thinking of stupid things like a passport surviving but a black box being destroyed. I congratulate you for thinking a simple plane crash and fire breaks down tough steel barriers. I congratulate you for believing in a guy who continued to read a book to a class of children for 10 minutes after he was informed that the second tower was hit and the nation was under attack. Congratulations.


No congratulations needed. When you grow up and become a big boy you will come to understand that you that you are making an ass out of yourself, and that will be enough for me.

Another reason why conspiracists end up making fools of themselves is becuase they don't pay attention to what those who argue against them say. They don't read well and they make sh*t up.

To describe 9/11 as a simple plane crash makes you an imbecile and to comment on if I believe George Bush Makes you even more stupid, as many people in the GDF and other forums are aware of my opinons on him, his policies and his part in 9/11.

Sit down, shut up, stop talking and learn something. You are a child who does not know what they are arguing about, nor are you even aware what my argument or position is.

As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.

Originally posted by KharmaDog


As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.

it certainly feels like a massively uphill to the point of vertical struggle sometimes but i've done a reasonable job of demolishing Mr Parker (who ran out of the 9/11 thread quicker than his virtual legs could carry him and put me on ignore and continued to bait me afterwards) , classic NES and katsu so far...and i always enjoy debating with Deano cause he doesn't fly off the handle when i post contradicting ideas to his own

if anything...it keeps my typing skills up a bit and allows me to build up quicker net research skills for my uni work

Originally posted by KharmaDog
No congratulations needed. When you grow up and become a big boy you will come to understand that you that you are making an ass out of yourself, and that will be enough for me.

Another reason why conspiracists end up making fools of themselves is becuase they don't pay attention to what those who argue against them say. They don't read well and they make sh*t up.

To describe 9/11 as a simple plane crash makes you an imbecile and to comment on if I believe George Bush Makes you even more stupid, as many people in the GDF and other forums are aware of my opinons on him, his policies and his part in 9/11.

Sit down, shut up, stop talking and learn something. You are a child who does not know what they are arguing about, nor are you even aware what my argument or position is.

As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.
What you post for Evidence makes little sense
The steel coloumns in the World Trade Center could only be melted at 2000+ degrees. Plane Crashes DON'T make that kind of heat. Plus you're saying a passport which would atleast be ripped to shreds from the sudden crash has a more likely chance of surviving then a Steel Black Box?
Oh wow, targeting my age. Even proves you're more retarded.

Originally posted by Furion
What you post for Evidence makes little sense
The steel coloumns in the World Trade Center could only be melted at 2000+ degrees. Plane Crashes DON'T make that kind of heat. Plus you're saying a passport which would atleast be ripped to shreds from the sudden crash has a more likely chance of surviving then a Steel Black Box?
Oh wow, targeting my age. Even proves you're more retarded.

steel loses about half its strength at 700 oC and 90% of its strength at 1000 which is below the limit of the maximum hydrocarbon burning temperature

once again...go and do an experiment...hit a metal can with a hammer...then hit a piece of paper with a hammer...tell me which gets damaged more

anyhow...scientific paper on the steel column of the WTC

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200323/000020032303A0729204.php

Well let's see. That makes no sense at all. You're saying the passport was on the ground and a hammer hit it? No it would either
A: Be Burned to nothing from the heat.
B: Be ripped apart by all the rubble that was falling
Plus those steel coloumns were made of highgrade steel made to withstand fires and all the steel beams would have to be heated. It would also need to burn for several hours.
No steel building has colopsed due to fire.
A building in 2004 burned for 17 hours and spread over 26 floors and reached the roof did not collapse.
There was heavy smoke from the towers which are signs the fire is dying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one?
...


I come here to laugh.

Originally posted by Furion
Well let's see. That makes no sense at all. You're saying the passport was on the ground and a hammer hit it? No it would either
A: Be Burned to nothing from the heat.
B: Be ripped apart by all the rubble that was falling
Plus those steel coloumns were made of highgrade steel made to withstand fires and all the steel beams would have to be heated. It would also need to burn for several hours.
No steel building has colopsed due to fire.
A building in 2004 burned for 17 hours and spread over 26 floors and reached the roof did not collapse.
There was heavy smoke from the towers which are signs the fire is dying.

like i've said before...what about the photographic evidence of thousands upon thousands of pieces of paper that survived the plane impact, fires and collapse of the building?

i've gave you the science behind the steel columns and you're still not listening...your problem

actually several steel buildings and structures have collapsed due to fire including the alexis nihon plaza building in 1986, one new york plaza in 1970, meridian plaza in 1991, the mercantile credit insurance building and the first interstate bank.

http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_1_0.pdf

have a read from page 20 onward...read the whole thing if you're interested

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one? Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I come here to laugh.

Originally posted by jaden101
so why did you bother posting



it's either the US...or it's not

i told you. the US are being used as the vehicle for this agenda. they cant bring a document out called ' the hidden elites secret agenda for global dicatatoship'

that would kinda give it away i think.

obviously could'nt of been planted.

i ask you why they wont show us footage of what hit the pentagon? surely it would shut the nuts up right?

arguin whether or not it was a plane or missile is irrelevent. We should be asking who did it. and why

Originally posted by Deano
obviously could'nt of been planted.

i ask you why they wont show us footage of what hit the pentagon? surely it would shut the nuts up right?

arguin whether or not it was a plane or missile is irrelevent. We should be asking who did it. and why

planted?...there were hundreds of eye witnesses at the scene...

even your beloved rense has a page saying it was a plane (infact its where i got 2 of those pics from if you right click and source them)

there is footage of what hit the pentagon but its been shown that the speed of the plane travelling meant the frame rate of the security camera footage wasn't quick enough to catch a full frame shot of it

so it was a plane. doesnt matter

you call that footage ? the fbi nicked tons of video evidence. why would they do that and keep them all for so long. release one guys, it will surely shut a few people up. whats to hide

Originally posted by Deano
so it was a plane. doesnt matter

you call that footage ? the fbi nicked tons of video evidence. why would they do that and keep them all for so long. release one guys, it will surely shut a few people up. whats to hide

yeah the FBI collected videos from all the surrounding commercial buildings...if one showed the plane they would've shown it to shut the "missle" theorists up

7 years and still waiting

ever consider that the commercial properties with cctv installed might have their cameras pointed at their own properties and not the pentagon

so wouldnt the fbi have looked at where the cctv camera was pointing at that day? ''oh thats pointing at the car park, we wont need that one''.

they knew that some camera's would be pointing towards the pentagon. thats why they was in such a rush to grab them all. within 10 minutes they were there. 10 minutes. whats the rush guys. got something to hide?

but lets what the gas station security officer has to say


"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."

FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm

Originally posted by Deano
so wouldnt the fbi have looked at where the cctv camera was pointing at that day? ''oh thats pointing at the car park, we wont need that one''.

they knew that some camera's would be pointing towards the pentagon. thats why they was in such a rush to grab them all. within 10 minutes they were there. 10 minutes. whats the rush guys. got something to hide?

but lets what the gas station security officer has to say


"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."

FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm

the gas station videos were released in sept 2006

they released the ones they knew showed nothing. it was quite pathetic really

Originally posted by Deano
they released the ones they knew showed nothing. it was quite pathetic really

well it was the footage of the cameras from the gas station...what more do you want...if nothing was on them then nothing was on them

Posted by jaden101: " have a bachelor of science with honours 1st class degree in forensic science which includes qualification in fires, fuels and explosives....i have masters in document forgery and i'm studying for a PhD in forensic science which includes instrumental analysis for drugs and fire & explosion investigation"

Yet you as a scientist cant debunk the massive Free Energy conspiracy! Funny! Did you buy your diploma?

How credible are you knowing that your entire "knowledge" is based on pre-Tesla science? Your theories are outdated and pre-1905! Go back to school!

Fire burns Paper

Look for yourself, link below, time=0:41 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kduUHpQ5ji8

Ok, after having seen that movie you too know of the laws of physics: Fire burns Paper!

The End.

Originally posted by Katsu
Posted by jaden101: " have a bachelor of science with honours 1st class degree in forensic science which includes qualification in fires, fuels and explosives....i have masters in document forgery and i'm studying for a PhD in forensic science which includes instrumental analysis for drugs and fire & explosion investigation"

Yet you as a scientist cant debunk the massive Free Energy conspiracy! Funny! Did you buy your diploma?

How credible are you knowing that your entire "knowledge" is based on pre-Tesla science? Your theories are outdated and pre-1905! Go back to school!

Fire burns Paper

Look for yourself, link below, time=0:41 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kduUHpQ5ji8

Ok, after having seen that movie you too know of the laws of physics: Fire burns Paper!

The End.

i'm not trying to debunk "free energy" because i dont study physics...but i've raped your "fire doesn't burn paper" bullshit to death with cold hard facts and actual evidence

Originally posted by jaden101
i'm not trying to debunk "free energy" because i dont study physics...but i've raped your "fire doesn't burn paper" bullshit to death with cold hard facts and actual evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kduUHpQ5ji8

Time=0:41

Fire burns paper. Your theories are not true and only theories.

Originally posted by Katsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kduUHpQ5ji8

Time=0:41

Fire burns paper. Your theories are not true and only theories.

no they're not...they're scientific fact...i know this because i've studied it in depth...you haven't

http://www.documentsos.com/paperrecoveryrestoration-detail.shtml

here is a company that actually specialises in recovering fire and explosion damaged documents from fires

an even more extreme example of recovery of evidence from a fire scene was given to me in a lecture i attented by John DeHaan (the world foremost expert in fire investigation) whereby the DNA from someone who drank from a bottle that was then used as a petrol bomb in an arson attack on a house and whereby the bottle sat in the seat of the fire for over 4 hours was recovered

i could go into heat exchange mechanisms...entropy and enthalpy, flashover point, post flashover and decay but why should i bother..you'll either ignore it or not understand it

all you need to know is this...how come after fires have ravaged houses...do the occupants still manage to find photographs and other delicate items in the burnt out wrecks of their homes?

Originally posted by jaden101
plane didn't evaporate

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/911-flight77-debris.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general32/pentagonplanetire.jpg

wheel hub behind firefighter v


http://www.rense.com/general32/trou1moyenne.jpg

You showed pictures of bits of debris which could have been brought in on a pickup. The debris is nowhere near the hole where the "inferno" happened, on bit of debris is a small turbine, too small for the plane in question.


And wheres the plane gone, as in the big cigar shaped thing.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
You showed pictures of bits of debris which could have been brought in on a pickup. The debris is nowhere near the hole where the "inferno" happened, on bit of debris is a small turbine, too small for the plane in question.


And wheres the plane gone, as in the big cigar shaped thing.

firefighters reported seeing plane seats with mangled bodies strapped into them...i suppose the FBI keep them spare in the "fake evidence for world conspiracies" room at langley

one of the photos is actually taken from inside the pentagon (the one with the wheel underneath the pipe)

and i never posted a picture of a turbine anyway...i posted parts of the fuselage outside and a tire (with comparison to that found at the WTC) and wheel hub inside

the plane hit a reinforced concrete building designed to be bomb proof...you can even see on one of the pictures i posted how thick the walls are...not while its perfectly feasible that at several hundred miles an hour that a plane could penetrate that wall...there wont be much left of the plane....similar to a bullet hitting a hard surface..

On another note...

What makes the penis flaps who tell us not to listen to the media, any better than the media?

They tell you what to believe, etc.

Irony?

I'd rather listen to the media, than from some guy who tells us lizard people are taking over.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
On another note...

What makes the penis flaps who tell us not to listen to the media, any better than the media?

They tell you what to believe, etc.

Irony?

I'd rather listen to the media, than from some guy who tells us lizard people are taking over.

Stop listen to the media and all those so-called conspiracy gurus.

There are no lizards, there does exist a huge conspiracy out there but the perpetrators are humans, duh. You however do not have to knowledge to understand it, so the conspiracy will remain hidden for you.

PS Fire burns Paper!

You are all sheep wether you follow mainstream media or some random who talks about aliens controling the world, you are still beleiving what your told there is no difference. Why should I beleive what I read in a book any more than what I watch on the bbc news. You can claim to have done all the research you want but at the end of the day all of it is based on a single persons claims who you choose to beleive. All the nutjob conspiracy theorists are like goths pretending to be different even though they all dress the same, listen to the same music and follow each other just in there smaller heard. Humans are great are finding patterns, just because some thing sounds possible or as though it must be true does not mean it is.

Originally posted by Magee
You are all sheep wether you follow mainstream media or some random who talks about aliens controling the world, you are still beleiving what your told there is no difference. Why should I beleive what I read in a book any more than what I watch on the bbc news. You can claim to have done all the research you want but at the end of the day all of it is based on a single persons claims who you choose to beleive. All the nutjob conspiracy theorists are like goths pretending to be different even though they all dress the same, listen to the same music and follow each other just in there smaller heard. Humans are great are finding patterns, just because some thing sounds possible or as though it must be true does not mean it is.

The Conspiracy exists. Read books. Use Brain. And Heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Dg2eEhB30&feature=related

1min 35 seconds...wow...paper...right from the area of explosion and before the towers fell...in other words..from the place where the fire and explosion were worst...amazing isn't it?...

also at 2m 24

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
On another note...

What makes the penis flaps who tell us not to listen to the media, any better than the media?

They tell you what to believe, etc.

Irony?

I'd rather listen to the media, than from some guy who tells us lizard people are taking over.
You would want to listen to Bill O'Reilly?

Originally posted by jaden101
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Dg2eEhB30&feature=related

1min 35 seconds...wow...paper...right from the area of explosion and before the towers fell...in other words..from the place where the fire and explosion were worst...amazing isn't it?...

also at 2m 24

The paper in this video is clearly some office paper flying about, which could have come from anywhere, even offices not affected by the initial fire.Its not a passport which was in a closed object filled with Kerosene and went boom.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The paper in this video is clearly some office paper flying about, which could have come from anywhere, even offices not affected by the initial fire.Its not a passport which was in a closed object filled with Kerosene and went boom.

like i said...its from the area where the tower was hit...hence the most intense fire and within the explosion...how do i know this?...because the tower hasn't collapsed

unless you're arguing that someone on some unaffected floor started throwing reams of paper out of a window for the sake of it

not to mention that paper in the plane would have a better chance of surviving on the floors where the plane hit because they had inertia to clear the explosion and fire....

Please explain how Building 7 fell. It was not hit by a plane.

PS Fire burns Paper.............

Originally posted by Katsu
Please explain how Building 7 fell. It was not hit by a plane.

PS Fire burns Paper.............

we're not discussing building 7 are we?...i mean...you really should keep your own threads on topic instead of trying to misdirect it when you're beaten

Originally posted by Katsu
Fire burns Paper.............

Point out the obvious to try and hide the fact that everyone you have argued with has assisted you in making making yourslef look like a moron. Excellent plan. You win. We're convinced.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Point out the obvious to try and hide the fact that everyone you have argued with has assisted you in making making yourslef look like a moron. Excellent plan. You win. We're convinced.

hahaha...i love it...that one tickles my funny bone

Originally posted by Katsu
Please explain how Building 7 fell. It was not hit by a plane.



if you're attempting to use the "buidlings dont collapse just from fire" argument...well i disproved that in the 9/11 thread by listing 7 buildings which did just that...and those were only the ones of the same construction type.

of course the difference between those building and WTC 7 is that those building didn't have 2 half a million ton buildings collapse next to them

Originally posted by jaden101
hahaha...i love it...that one tickles my funny bone

I can't take credit. It's not like they don't tee them up for us. Hell, half the time they even hand us the correct club.

Look here where Deano posted a link that answered his own question, unfortunately it wasn't the answer he was looking for:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=476773&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by jaden101
if you're attempting to use the "buidlings dont collapse just from fire" argument...well i disproved that in the 9/11 thread by listing 7 buildings which did just that...and those were only the ones of the same construction type.

of course the difference between those building and WTC 7 is that those building didn't have 2 half a million ton buildings collapse next to them

Larry Silverstein, owner of WTC and building 7 himself said that they PULLED building 7. They BLEW UP building 7 using explosives. So, now its owner of building 7 vs kid on some forum named jaden. You lose! Building 7 DID not went down due to fire. VIDEOPROOF below. You lose again!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY

PS Fire burns Paper.........

why are you making your own thread go off topic??...beaten???

and even if it was a controlled demolition...it's spurious to say that it takes months to prep a building to be ready for demolition...i know this cause I'VE ACTUALLY HELP PREPARE A BUILDING FOR DEMOLITION...and that work that takes months is the stripping a building to a bare shell...the removal of all non supporting walls...bathroom fitting, piping and water tanks...kitchen fittings (this is in my case which was a 21 story high-rise residential building)...the actual planting of explosives on a non emergency case can take at most a couple of days but can easily be speeded up if needed

Originally posted by jaden101
why are you making your own thread go off topic??...beaten???

Why are you not answering my question?

Now thats BEATEN.

Larry Silverstein has beaten you. Accept your defeat and take it like a man. All of a sudden your talking about this topic going offtopic. This topic was going offtopic when you started posting. The topic was about the media lying to us. Not if it was possible for some paper passport to survive an explosion. SHEER IMPOSSIBLE, show us pictures of paper surviving those explosions please!

Building 7 was rigged. So were the Twin Towers. Virtual Free Fall speed! Read Sir Isaac Newtons theories on this.

Originally posted by Katsu
Not if it was possible for some paper passport to survive an explosion. Actually... that is a large part of this thread.

I think he's proven that many times in this thread as well... and if he's proven this, then your little 'theory' about the government lying to us on this case is fruitless to say the least.

You're using this to say the government is lying to us, but if it is possible for paper to survive this sort of thing, then this thread makes you look like a misinformed ass hat (especially the way you are acting here).

Meh.

Originally posted by Katsu
Why are you not answering my question?

Now thats BEATEN.

Larry Silverstein has beaten you. Accept your defeat and take it like a man. All of a sudden your talking about this topic going offtopic. This topic was going offtopic when you started posting. The topic was about the media lying to us. Not if it was possible for some paper passport to survive an explosion. SHEER IMPOSSIBLE, show us pictures of paper surviving those explosions please!

Building 7 was rigged. So were the Twin Towers. Virtual Free Fall speed! Read Sir Isaac Newtons theories on this.

disproved your point already with acutal science and observation...the building fell at nowhere near freefall speed...do try and keep up

We want pictures of PAPER surviving the explosions. PROOF PLEASE!

You have none, you are a liar and your pants are on Fire.

Originally posted by Katsu
We want pictures of PAPER surviving the explosions. PROOF PLEASE!

You have none, you are a liar and your pants are on Fire.

i've posted several videos of it already....clearly you only see what you want to see.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=s_gdCrmbrIg

5m 10s...where else is the paper coming from?...the moon?...some special air balloon dropping it from above the tower?...no...it comes from the tower...from the area where the explosion is...before the towers fall

not really rocket science but still i know it's difficult for your feeble brain to comprehend

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aJo43PCHfDY

a small example of how much survived

Except the passport would be in the plane, not the tower.

as i've said before...that means the passport would have interia and have and ever better chance of escaping the fire

Ummm, have you ever seen Final Destination? In the opening sequence the Plane blows up. Big Explosion. LOTS OF FVCKING FIRE! The pass port would be incinerated in the explosion, or be buried under rubble amd ripped apart.

Originally posted by Furion
Ummm, have you ever seen Final Destination? In the opening sequence the Plane blows up. Big Explosion. LOTS OF FVCKING FIRE! The pass port would be incinerated in the explosion, or be buried under rubble amd ripped apart.

well you see...there's films...and then there's real life...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=faID6yLpaqo

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=trADmnhLikM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzVPXswmOA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-flrm49Pul8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Avc7YKP-ML0

paper paper paper paper paper

I want to see VIDEOS of a PAPER PASSPORT in a persons pockett flying a BOEING 747 hitting the WTC.

PROOF PLEASE!

Your videos dont apply to the situation at hand. Fool!

well in that case...seeing as you claim its planted...i want to see video of some shady FBI agent making the false passport...climbing into the rubble and planting it there...

in other words...stop being a pedantic little idiot and accept that your "fire burns paper" argument has been completely and utterly shot to pieces

The FBI found it there, so obviously they planted it..DUH.

Originally posted by Katsu
The FBI found it there, so obviously they planted it..DUH.

well then there must be videos...i mean...the scene was the single most filmed event in all of history and was video'd 24 hours a day for weeks

so....video????

im asking for a video cause you seem to have a thing for them

OK OK, Fire does not burn Paper, you win!

Are you happy now!

Say it with me Jaden, Fire does not burn Paper! You can do it!

Originally posted by Katsu
OK OK, Fire does not burn Paper, you win!

Are you happy now!

Say it with me Jaden, Fire does not burn Paper! You can do it!
YAY...gold star for me...woot

Still really don't understand how a passport survives an explosion WITH FIRE! MAKE NO SENSE! any paper NOT FROM WITHIN THE FVCKING PLANE that's flying outside is because it's not within the plane.
You don't get a goldstar. You get a silver star.

Originally posted by Furion
Still really don't understand how a passport survives an explosion WITH FIRE! MAKE NO SENSE! any paper NOT FROM WITHIN THE FVCKING PLANE that's flying outside is because it's not within the plane.
You don't get a goldstar. You get a silver star.

well if you dont understand it...chances are you never will

but i'll try my best

tons of debri from the plane exited the building from the opposite side from where it entered...including bodies...

they did so because they were inside the plane and the plane was travelling at closee to 400mph when it hit the building

the momentum of the plane and thus all the objects in the plane are sufficient enough to carry lots of object out of the fire area...

the plane also took alot of paper from the building with it...this stuff had no momentum...was not travelling at 400mph...it was stationary (no pun intended) and still managed to clear the explosion and survive the collapse

not only that...even if very delicate objects are in a fire zone they can be protected...i've seen examples myself while assisting a lecturer of mine who also runs a company that investigates fires...i have personally recovered photographs from fire scenes where by something has fell on top of the photo and protected it from the fire...and even after several hours of burning they have survived fire damage despite being in the most intensely burning area of the fire

infact fire investigation involves using partially damaged object and objects protected from fires to determine what happened and in what order

a simple example of this is if a house has been set fire to by throwing a bottle of flammable liquid through a window...the simple way to determine if this was the case is that any glass on the floor of the room where the fire started would have no soot deposit on the side in contact with the floor and thus the window was broken before the fire started...if it has soot on both sides of the window then the fire burned before the window was broken...now if the window was broken before the fire and the window piece fell onto a piece of paper...the paper underneath would also be protected from the fire...despite being in the room where the seat of the fire was (and hence the longest burning time)

quite simple really

so either the passport could have had momentum enough to clear the fire...or some piece of rubble from the impact had fallen on top of it and protected it from the fire

Originally posted by Furion
Still really don't understand how a passport survives an explosion WITH FIRE! MAKE NO SENSE! any paper NOT FROM WITHIN THE FVCKING PLANE that's flying outside is because it's not within the plane.
You don't get a goldstar. You get a silver star.

His fake theory which defies the laws of physics is supposed to make you believe that Fire does not burn Paper.

Ha Ha!

Fire burns Paper!

The End!

Originally posted by Katsu
His fake theory which defies the laws of physics is supposed to make you believe that Fire does not burn Paper.

Ha Ha!

Fire burns Paper!

The End!

i know infinitely more about fire than you do...the end

Originally posted by lord xyz
Of course, explosions create shockwaves before flames. As for the guy being alive, that's not evidence of governmental action and coverup, that could just as easily mean the passport was stolen. I find it quite offensive when no one acknoledges my very good point(s).

This is the conspiracy forum, the frequenters are selective in what they'll read, i.e it has to agree with what they think.

Originally posted by Furion
Ummm, have you ever seen Final Destination? In the opening sequence the Plane blows up. Big Explosion. LOTS OF FVCKING FIRE! The pass port would be incinerated in the explosion, or be buried under rubble amd ripped apart.

Originally posted by Katsu
I want to see VIDEOS of a PAPER PASSPORT in a persons pockett flying a BOEING 747 hitting the WTC.

PROOF PLEASE!

Your videos dont apply to the situation at hand. Fool!

The above to posts should result in a banning of both posters just on the sheer imbecility (yes I made that word up) of their arguments.


Originally posted by Furion
Still really don't understand how a passport survives an explosion WITH FIRE! MAKE NO SENSE! any paper NOT FROM WITHIN THE FVCKING PLANE that's flying outside is because it's not within the plane.
You don't get a goldstar. You get a silver star.

I will post this again because Furiion and Katsu are obviouly ignoring it. But please answer the following question:

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Take a garbage can, fill it full of 4 pounds of C4 and a dozen reams of paper. Add a gallon and a half of gasoline. Duct tape the lid shut. Blow up the Garbage can. Will all the paper be incinerated?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
This is the conspiracy forum, the frequenters are selective in what they'll read, i.e it has to agree with what they think. Or something they don't understand so they can claim it's stupid. Thanks for acknowledging me as well.

It's like trying to convince some one there faith or god is not real, it's a waste of time.

Originally posted by Magee
It's like trying to convince some one there faith or god is not real, it's a waste of time. I use that analogy a lot.

Kharmadog: Where am i going to get C4? Huh? Weapons Dealer? Most Likely if you put a passport in there the paper would be ripped from the cover and scattered everywhere, possibly burning a number of pages.
That or the whole thing incinerates.

Originally posted by Furion
Kharmadog: Where am i going to get C4? Huh? Weapons Dealer? Most Likely if you put a passport in there the paper would be ripped from the cover and scattered everywhere, possibly burning a number of pages.
That or the whole thing incinerates.

there is only one response that can encapsulate my thoughts when reading this post......

surpriseholy crapsurprise

You would know how it worked how? You got C4? Tell me where you got it.

You could make it.

Originally posted by Furion
You would know how it worked how? You got C4? Tell me where you got it.

Again, holy crap.

The severity of the blast would discharge the paper at such a velocity that most if it, despite the accelerant and fuel, would be dispersed over such a great area that it could not catch fire. Only the paper that landed directly on the resulting fire would be incinerated. Paper does burn in fire, paper that is blown in various directions away from the heat source does not.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Also the unique situation at 9/11 can never be reproduced in someones garden, bunker or whatever so its pointless anyway.

I think anyone with common sense will agree to that statement. My point was to illustrate that when an object that contains paper explodes, any object, the paper will be dispersed in a manner that is so quick, violent, random and with such force, that much of the paper will fall outside the blast site, thereby not submitting it to a situation where it will be instantly incinerated.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think anyone with common sense will agree to that statement. My point was to illustrate that when an object that contains paper explodes, any object, the paper will be dispersed in a manner that is so quick, violent, random and with such force, that much of the paper will fall outside the blast site, thereby not submitting it to a situation where it will be instantly incinerated.

really the example isn't even neccesary...the debri both before the towers collapsed and afterwards speaks for itself....although clearly not loud enough for certain idiots to hear

Originally posted by jaden101
really the example isn't even neccesary

I know, but I figured if I could relate the occurance into a more proportionately easy to conceive occurence, that the slow learners in the crowd might be able to catch up. Does that make sense? Did you at least see the point, or was it completely wasted?

Originally posted by jaden101
...the debri both before the towers collapsed and afterwards speaks for itself....although clearly not loud enough for certain idiots to hear

Testify!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I know, but I figured if I could relate the occurance into a more proportionately easy to conceive occurence, that the slow learners in the crowd might be able to catch up. Does that make sense? Did you at least see the point, or was it completely wasted?

Testify!

it wasn't completely wasted...i think you may have missed your target though...although given how much they like to move their goal posts it's not really a surprise

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think anyone with common sense will agree to that statement. My point was to illustrate that when an object that contains paper explodes, any object, the paper will be dispersed in a manner that is so quick, violent, random and with such force, that much of the paper will fall outside the blast site, thereby not submitting it to a situation where it will be instantly incinerated.

Not even possible but what about a slow burn?

God damn, give it up

Originally posted by chithappens
Not even possible but what about a slow burn?

God damn, give it up

Paper being blown away from the ignition point (which would be the area where any resulting fire would find itself) generally negates it catching fire.

This topic shows us the stupidity of disinfo agents at work.

Fire Burns Paper Disinfo Agents.

The End.

But did you know that water beats fire?

o0o0o0o00o... Let teh debate continue!

Originally posted by Katsu
This topic shows us the stupidity of disinfo agents at work.

Fire Burns Paper Disinfo Agents.

And this post shows your inability to either comprehend or actually read the posts of others.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As for the misleasding title of the thread and the simplistic observation behind it ...

Of course paper burns you simpleton, but massive explosions and collisions on the scale that took place that day scatter debris, not instantly insinerate it.

I had to look at you profile, as I was interested in your age and level of maturity. I thought if you were 13-15 years old that your inability to form and maintain a cohesive argument or point would be explained, as would your inability to think things through in a clear and logical manner that may be disinclined to confirm your predisposed beliefs.

After having seen that you are in your mid to late 20's, I have to ask:

Do you suffer from a minor learning disability?
Are you lying about your age?
Have you ever needed the service of mental health professionals or have you ever had to subscribe to a proscription medication for better mental health?

I don't ask these questions to be offensive, I ask them so that I may not say anything that could be considered offensive in future posts. I also ask them because they would explain quite abit when i comes to the manner that you post, express yourself, and your general post history.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
But did you know that water beats fire?

o0o0o0o00o... Let teh debate continue!
And did you know according to pokemon, leaf beats water?
Water can evaporate if it's hot enough.

Originally posted by Katsu
This topic shows us the stupidity of disinfo agents at work.

Fire Burns Paper Disinfo Agents.

The End.

"disinfo agents"...i like that...that's quite comical

i've disproved your depserate idiocy countless times now...it's getting boring

Originally posted by jaden101
i've disproved your depserate idiocy countless times now...it's getting boring

I hit that point months ago. Welcome.

Now I just bounce around with sarcasm, pithy remarks, and the occasional tidbit of information that doesn't so much expose the foolish, so much as accessorize their spastic persona's.

Stop trying to stroke your own shaft.

You haven't even provided a link proving that this phenomenon exist and i still can't find ANY expert willing to back up that claim.

Originally posted by chithappens
Stop trying to stroke your own shaft.

You haven't even provided a link proving that this phenomenon exist and i still can't find ANY expert willing to back up that claim.

Who are you talking to and to what "phenomenon" do you refer?

Originally posted by Katsu
After 9-11, they found a passport from one of the hijackers.

"ABCNEWS sources identify another hijacker as Satan Suqami, a Saudi national on American Airlines Flight 11, whose passport was recovered in the rubble."

Ok, so we have 2 possible scenarios as to how this happened:

1. Terrorist named Satan rolled down the Boeing 747 window to smoke a cigarette and by accident his passport fell out of his pocket unto the streets of New York.

2. Terrorist named Satan needed to take a piss, opened the Boeing 747 door to take a leak and in the moment decided to throw his passport unto the streets of New York just for fun of it.

Ok, people, i know you think everything the officials tell you is true..............but really, come on, this is just The Elite making fun of us being ignorant and gullible!


Steel columns melted, burned for weeks after but paper passports stay unharmed!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!! LMAO! Maybe it's all a Coincidence.

Originally posted by jaden101
"disinfo agents"...i like that...that's quite comical

i've disproved your depserate idiocy countless times now...it's getting boring

yep we know your a disin fo agent.we see how you make things up all the time this SECOND sentence here would be accurate if Katsu was posting that to YOU.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep we know your a disin fo agent.we see how you make things up all the time this SECOND sentence here would be accurate if Katsu was posting that to YOU.

see if i was you...and i thought the world was as bad as you do...i'd kill myself...you'd be doing everyone a favour...seriously

i smashed your points to dust...i smashed katsu's to dust...and you both know it...because i use slightly more than youtube videos and "an expert said..." as my evidence...i mean for **** sake...even when you guys have posted quotes and evidence i've went and got the actual quotes and made you look like idiots

i wont mention the dead guy who spoke from beyond the grave again though...i know you've suffered enough

idiot

Originally posted by Mr Parker
we see how you make things up all the time

Jaden pretty much embarrassed you as I used to.

Now he's realized what a moron you are, and so dismisses you as any intelligent person does/should.

Now reply about how you didn't read this and that I'm on ignore or wait for someone else who is working on half a brain and then say, "RIGHT ON".

Fire does not burn Paper. Repeat this enough times till you realize that you are dreaming.

Originally posted by Katsu
Fire does not burn Paper. Repeat this enough times till you realize that you are dreaming.

you've been raped in this thread enough...you must like it...

Originally posted by Katsu
Fire does not burn Paper. Repeat this enough times till you realize that you are dreaming.

true. only in a dreamworld would fire not burn paper.

Originally posted by jaden101
you've been raped in this thread enough...you must like it...

Very informative post! Surely not spam whatsoever! Really adds something new to this discussion! Thanks for your interesting contribution to our discussion!

Should i report you for trolling/spamming/flaming?

Nah, you and your lies amuse me, please continue

Love is the only Truth my friend Jaden!

Originally posted by Katsu
Very informative post! Surely not spam whatsoever! Really adds something new to this discussion! Thanks for your interesting contribution to our discussion!

Should i report you for trolling/spamming/flaming?

Nah, you and your lies amuse me, please continue

Love is the only Truth my friend Jaden!

no it's not spam..spam is advertising...and the only thing being advertised here is the level of your idiocy

here's a tip for you...know where you're beaten

Originally posted by Katsu
Fire does not burn Paper. Repeat this enough times till you realize that you are dreaming.

Originally posted by Katsu
Very informative post! Surely not spam whatsoever! Really adds something new to this discussion! Thanks for your interesting contribution to our discussion!

Should i report you for trolling/spamming/flaming?

You pathetic hypocrite. I don't know what I find more disgusting, that you are either actually this stupid, or that you are choosing to ignore all the points that both Jaden and I have directed at you that make you look like the moron you are choosing to be. As for fire not burning paper, your little mantra to try and dissuade people from common sense only exposes your inability to comprehend what others are saying and amplifies your inability to form an intelligent argument or coherent thought.

God, this forum is like a retard jamboree. I don't get why either of you bother.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Jaden pretty much embarrassed you as I used to.

Now he's realized what a moron you are, and so dismisses you as any intelligent person does/should.

Now reply about how you didn't read this and that I'm on ignore or wait for someone else who is working on half a brain and then say, "RIGHT ON". Originally posted by Mr Parker
true. only in a dreamworld would fire not burn paper. Surely he's doing this deliberately.