Kubik vs Chthon

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golem370
Who wins?

Kubik- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubik

vs

Chthon- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthon_%28comics%29

golem370
Elder God vs Cosmic Cube

Mr Master
Originally posted by golem370
Elder God vs Cosmic Cube
Cube Being ... and Kubik takes it.

guy222
kubik

celestialdemon
I'll go with Kubik

guy222
yes

Knowsbleed33
Cube.

Utrigita
Goodby Chthon.

Kubik for the win.

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by guy222
kubik

theICONiac
Hmmm...

I don't know if this is as 'cut and dried' as everyone here is making it out to be...

Kubik is a 'evolved' cosmic cube...to my understanding of what a cosmic cube is/does, it allows nearly unlimited reality-shaping abilities...but isn't this strictly over the physical plane??

Chthon, being an elder god, is a being of magic...of the metaphysical plane. I'm not sure there is a lot of what Kubik could do to affect Chthon's essense...

If this were Doctor Strange with Chthon's power against Kubik I'd go with Kubik in a heartbeat as Doc still has a physical body...Chthon does not.

Mr Master
Originally posted by theICONiac

Kubik is a 'evolved' cosmic cube...
to my understanding of what a cosmic cube is/does,
it allows nearly unlimited reality-shaping abilities...

but isn't this strictly over the physical plane??
As a cosmic scale reality manipulator,
all planes of existence are subject to Kubik's level of warpers.

In fact,
I have an issue where Kubik controlled reality within 616, from 4 dimensional space,
which is another plane of reality.
Originally posted by theICONiac

Chthon, being an elder god, is a being of magic...of the metaphysical plane.
I'm not sure there is a lot of what Kubik could do to affect Chthon's essense...
Chthon is a tuff cookie, but Kubik should stomp him fairly easily.

Kubik battled an entire conscious Universe, K stomped ftw,
then warped that entire Universe into a sphere the size of his hand,
which he was going to crush effortlessly, but he was talked out of it.

Chthon rules a pocket realm, and has never demonstrated even universal power.

theICONiac
Chthon is a tuff cookie, but Kubik should stomp him fairly easily.

Kubik battled an entire conscious Universe, K stomped ftw,
then warped that entire Universe into a sphere the size of his hand,
which he was going to crush effortlessly, but he was talked out of it.

Maybe you are right smile

I guess my hypothesis of the physical powers being unable to affect metaphysical beings springs from a lack of encounters (in my Marvel Comics reading experience anyway) between 'cosmic' beings (ei Galactus) and magical beings (ei Mephisto)...

Any classic battles between such opposite power-sets as mentioned above?

guy222
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9537/mightyavengersthe021pagon5.th.jpg

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mr Master
As a cosmic scale reality manipulator,
all planes of existence are subject to Kubik's level of warpers.

In fact,
I have an issue where Kubik controlled reality within 616, from 4 dimensional space,
which is another plane of reality.

Chthon is a tuff cookie, but Kubik should stomp him fairly easily.

Kubik battled an entire conscious Universe, K stomped ftw,
then warped that entire Universe into a sphere the size of his hand,
which he was going to crush effortlessly, but he was talked out of it.

Chthon rules a pocket realm, and has never demonstrated even universal power. dr doom was going to gain universal warping powers if he succeded in stealing chthons power..ill post the evidence if i have too

the Darkone
Cube Beings > Elder Gods they have more raw power, no Elder God will defeat a Cube Being.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by guy222
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9537/mightyavengersthe021pagon5.th.jpg post the scans of him doing things like making oklahoma disapere, encasing a continent in marble etc.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by the Darkone
Cube Beings > Elder Gods they have more raw power, no Elder God will defeat a Cube Being. true

the ninjak
Hank Pym is currently on the verge of discovering the line that bridges Magic and Science. Defeating Chthon's magic through codes if I remember correctly and capturing Loki.

Cosmic Cubes are that realisation!

Chthon goes down HARD!

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by the ninjak
Hank Pym is currently on the verge of discovering the line that bridges Magic and Science. Defeating Chthon's magic through codes if I remember correctly and capturing Loki.

Cosmic Cubes are that realisation!

Chthon goes down HARD! what codes? when he was defeated it was some tech they used that made him unable to talk and thus powerless(PIS by the way)

the ninjak
I can't remember how it panned out!
Pym conversed what I originally posted and Ironman turned up, whose armour is perfect for initiating such an attack. Cho was there as well so I think he helped with his unique visual ability of seeing data when looking at the walls, they took it from there.....definitely not PIS. Scans would help but I remember feeling a bit let down by the writers skill in the execution.

TheTyrant
Abstract > Celestial >> Cube being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elder god

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Abstract > Celestial >> Cube being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elder god no way in hell there are that many >,s
an elder god defeated an average celestial, a cosmic cube was also used to battle an elder god and it only banished him back to his realm.

the ninjak
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Abstract > Celestial >> Cube being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elder god

No way it's that fundamental.

>>>s don't mean crap.

Reed has killed celestrials.


Is there somewhere I can go to get educated explainations of all of the these levels. I'm getting the gist of them but I would appreciate a concise list.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by the ninjak
No way it's that fundamental.

>>>s don't mean crap.

Reed has killed celestrials.


Is there somewhere I can go to get educated explainations of all of the these levels. I'm getting the gist of them but I would appreciate a concise list.

its normally

Abstracts>Celestials/Cube Beings>Elder Gods>Sky Fathers>Herald Level
based on the most powerful in each category.

galactusischere
Abstract>Celestial>>Cube being>>>Elder god>Skyfather>>>>>>High herald

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
Abstract>Celestial>>Cube being>>>Elder god>Skyfather>>>>>>High herald why are celestials above cube beings?

Mr Master
edit

guy222
I know for a fact, Reed isn't doin squat to Tiamut

For the thread....Kubik wins

Colossus-Big C
Chthon has vast reality warping skills

1.wiping asgard from existance
2.encasing a continent in amber
3. turning the fantastic four into a mere TV cartoonlaughing out loud
4. making oklahoma disapere and leaving nothing but void in its place.
etc
5. turning grass into class 100 monsters

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153658-ma22_009.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153651-ma22_011.jpg

"He is rewriting reality in his own image"

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
an elder god defeated an average celestial, a cosmic cube was also used to battle an elder god and it only banished him back to his realm.
What incidents are you referring to?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
why are celestials above cube beings?
Because Kubik says so himself.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
What incidents are you referring to?


Because Kubik says so himself. post scans tomorrow

Mr Master
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

Chthon has vast reality warping skills

1.wiping asgard from existance
2.encasing a continent in amber
3. turning the fantastic four into a mere TV cartoon
4. making oklahoma disapere and leaving nothing but void in its place.
etc
5. turning grass into class 100 monsters

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153658-ma22_009.jpg

I wouldn't call that "vast warping" friend.
It's more like low end reality warping. (planetary at best)

I'd like to see when Chthon erased Asgard from existence,
cause Asgard is a pocket realm the size of a galaxy,
that would be far more impressive, yet still not "vast" in its scope.

The term "vast" should be stamped only on a universal scale (or better)warper.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

"http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153651-ma22_011.jpg

He is rewriting reality in his own image"
Only part of the planet was warped.

Remember, "reality" can be a mouse (or less) or a multiverse (or more).
(the context of the story defines the scale of "reality" being warped)

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mr Master

I'd like to see when Chthon erased Asgard from existence,
cause Asgard is a pocket realm the size of a galaxy,
that would be far more impressive



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(note, sentry is in the top left panel)
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