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Who takes it?

Mad Jim Jaspers manipulates reality directly, it is his clay, whereas Jamie tugs at 'Quantum Strings' and has a distance limit. Jaspers tears him apart.

I did a four way match with Jaime and Jaspers

Jaime FTW

Originally posted by grey fox
Mad Jim Jaspers manipulates reality directly, it is his clay, whereas Jamie tugs at 'Quantum Strings' and has a distance limit. Jaspers tears him apart.

Actually, Jamie has warped the White Hot Room. This isn't that clearcut.

Jamie warped WHR, and im pretty sure thats out of jaspers reach, jamie even revived jaspers and fused him

Originally posted by Terryc250
Jamie warped WHR, and im pretty sure thats out of jaspers reach, jamie even revived jaspers and fused him

When was this mentioned.

Actually fellas,
Jamie merged the resurrected Jaspers with Fury.

Wanda was the one that resurrected Jaspers with her Chaos Wave.

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These two have always left me hmming around.

Jaspers has never lost to anyone but Fury,
Jaspers remade/even became 616 thus re-creating everything withIN it.
(absolute control over all its Concepts)

Most impressive of all,
we have Merlin admitting that 238 Jaspers was more poweful than he,
(Merlin actually tried to use power, and his attempts were twarted)
and as we know, 238 Jaspers <<< 616 Jaspers.
We also know,
Merlin/Matrix was a "god" at the time (power over all the realities in Marvel)

Jaspers would've definitely warped the entire Marvel Omniverse if not for the plot device (Fury)
This isn't just the Omniversal Guardian's own words,
Cobweb (a being that's psychically connected to all her Past/Future selves)
saw Jaspers ending the Omniverse in a possible Future
where he wasn't stopped by Fury.

So go figure.

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On the other hand there's Jamie,
well Jamie partially influenced Jaspers' re-creation.
Jamie controls quantum strings from Universal to a Multi-Dimensional scale,
as he proved capable of toying with the WHR (which is connected to a Nexus of Realities)
I've seen Jamie manipulate other Realities/Universes through unimaginable means,
(like via a comic book once)
He's also proven to be capable of creating atleast most of a Universe from scratch.
Including all it's Stars, Sound waves ect.
(space/time/matter that depends on his consciousness)

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It's always been a tuff call, imo.

Nice match up id.

Jimmy wins In a stomp IMO

Braddock ftw.

Jaspers

Jamie it is.

Originally posted by Mr Master

He's also proven to be capable of creating atleast most of a Universe from scratch.
Including all it's Stars, Sound waves ect.
(space/time/matter that depends on his consciousness)



These two points at least are far from the truth.

He created a city sized reality warp, which you've hyped up to be he created that whole entire universe.

From within said reality warp Jamie Jamie removed stars and sound.

What you need to remember is that within a reality warp physics, the rules of space and time don't apply. From outside where such laws are still in place the warp could be the size of a telephone box, from within it could be the size of a country. It wouldn't have to make sense.

Just because Jamie made the stars within his reality warp fall down like snowflakes, doesn't mean Jamie created that entire universe.

That was never ever stated on panel.

When Jamie stopped his reality tamperings which were maintained with his power, what disappearred, the stars? Ok how about some planets?

Just the city Excalibur was fighting Jamie in.

Jaspers wins this as he has the more impressive displays of power.

Originally posted by grey fox
Mad Jim Jaspers manipulates reality directly, it is his clay, whereas Jamie tugs at 'Quantum Strings' and has a distance limit. Jaspers tears him apart.



Braddock has been greatly overrated here in recent times

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you need to remember is that within a reality warp physics, the rules of space and time don't apply. From outside where such laws are still in place the warp could be the size of a telephone box, from within it could be the size of a country. It wouldn't have to make sense. Jaspers demonstrated this perfectly...


"The room is far too big to fit inside MJJ's flying teapot -- Captain Britain's mind staggers for balance as reality slips another notch":

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2746/mjj2fx7.th.jpg


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And as stated above,
the enormous room was all contained within this contraption lol:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3516/mjj1zx8.th.jpg


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What we also need to remember is that just because a top-tier reality warper has the ability to put an infinite Universe inside a marble, if they so choose -- it doesn't make that Universe any lesser of a cosmos in terms of size, then say the 616 'verse.


g_grin

Originally posted by Galan007
Jaspers demonstrated this perfectly...


"The room is far too big to fit inside MJJ's flying teapot -- Captain Britain's mind staggers for balance as reality slips another notch":

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2746/mjj2fx7.th.jpg


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And as stated above,
the enormous room was all contained within this contraption lol:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3516/mjj1zx8.th.jpg


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What we also need to remember is that just because a top-tier reality warper has the ability to put an infinite Universe inside a marble, if they so choose -- it doesn't make that Universe any lesser of a cosmos in terms of size, then say the 616 'verse.


g_grin

Finally you're getting what i've been telling you for about 2 years now!

As for your last point, theres a difference between creating a universe and creating an area within a universe where the laws of the universe don't apply and your will does.

Within such areas you can't assume they're anywhere near as grand and complex as the actual universe unless stated. Otherwise they're just pocket dimensions ala Frankin Richards "Heroes Reborn Earth"

But yeah, what a breakthrough lol

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Finally you're getting what i've been telling you for about 2 years now! Huh?


Anyways,
My points been made -- don't feel like getting any deeper. g_grin

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?


Anyways,
My points been made -- don't feel like getting any deeper. g_grin

I'm referring to many debates we've had in the past regarding Jaspers and Braddock, where just because stars were involved it was assumed that a universe was created.

You've helped me to demonstrate that thats not necessarily the case, especially if thats not ever stated on panel and the opposite is stated in bios.

Thanks for that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You've helped me to demonstrate that thats not necessarily the case, especially if thats not ever stated on panel and the opposite is stated in bios. How did those scans help?

By proving that a reality warper can make a seemingly small space, really, really big?

I thought anyone would've known they could do that.

Originally posted by Galan007
How did those scans help?

By proving that a reality warper can make a seemingly small space, really, really big?

I thought anyone would've known they could do that.

I think you know, what GS wanted to prove, and he is right.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I think you know, what GS wanted to prove, and he is right. No I don't actually.

And that's not a debate I care to be involved in... So if 2 scans showing a reality warper making a small space, big, help his pissing contest with Mr M -- then so be it.

Originally posted by Galan007
How did those scans help?

By proving that a reality warper can make a seemingly small space, really, really big?

I thought anyone would've known they could do that.

You didn't last summer and nor did MM.

I stated it over and over that a reality warp the size of a phone box(from the outside where the normal laws of reality still apply) could on the inside be as big as a city or a galaxy depending on ho wpowerful the reality warper is.

I presented statements from characters and bio entries for example saying Jaspers had just warped the planet. Or that Braddock was just toying with stars in his reality warp as clearly shown. However because stars were involved in both cases all i heard from both of you was nope Jaspers warped the entire universe, nope Braddock created an entire universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
No I don't actually.

And that's not a debate I care to be involved in... So if 2 scans showing a reality warper making a small space, big, help his pissing contest with Mr M -- then so be it.

I will give the win to Jamie . I just think his powerset is a touch more ubber.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
These two points at least are far from the truth.
If it's cause you say so, then ... who
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He created a city sized reality warp,
False, he created most of that Universe according to Marvel.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
which you've hyped up to be he created that whole entire universe.
You should pay attention before you troll after me.

I clearly said:
Originally posted by Mr Master

He's also proven to be capable of creating atleast most of a Universe from scratch.

Including all it's Stars, Sound waves ect.
(space/time/matter that depends on his consciousness)

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Evidently Marvel agrees with me.

(I'll prove that in a sec yall.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From within said reality warp Jamie Jamie removed stars and sound.
Now see, This is FALSE.

I challenge you prove that statement.

I challenge to show us where it's stated that Jamie was acting only withIN his warp.

As if Jamie is limited to warping only space/time/matter connected to him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you need to remember is that within a reality warp physics, the rules of space and time don't apply. From outside where such laws are still in place the warp could be the size of a telephone box, from within it could be the size of a country. It wouldn't have to make sense.
Inconsequential explanation.

Jamie created MOST of that entire Universe,
and Jamie was in full control of that Universe,
not limited to any warp. (that's a fantasy lingering in your mind alone)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just because Jamie made the stars within his reality warp fall down like snowflakes,
doesn't mean Jamie created that entire universe.
Again,

I challenge you to present evidence that states
those Stars were contained withIN any warp.
I challenge you to prove Jamie created a Universe withIN a city sized warp.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When Jamie stopped his reality tamperings which were maintained with his power, what disappearred, the stars?Ok how about some planets?

Just the city Excalibur was fighting Jamie in.
According to who?

Captain Britain? ...

Correct, who only got to see the City fade,
and who faded himself immediately after that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Braddock has been greatly overrated here in recent times
Go to a certain respect thread, shifty ... then you'l see exaggeration.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Finally you're getting what i've been telling you for about 2 years now!

But yeah, what a breakthrough lol
You thought you had a point,
I see you left others stumped too, about what you're patting yourself in the back for.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I'm referring to many debates we've had in the past regarding Jaspers and Braddock, where just because stars were involved it was assumed that a universe was created.

You've helped me to demonstrate that thats not necessarily the case,
especially if thats not ever stated on panel and the opposite is stated in bios.
"and the opposite is stated in bios"

Hmm ...

We're gonna put that to the test.

And again, for the record yall,
I claimed Jamie created MOST of that Universe from scratch.




Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You didn't last summer and nor did MM.
And I still completely disagree with you.

I only agree with Marvel concerning Marvel.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I presented statements from characters and bio entries for example saying Jaspers had just warped the planet.

Or that Braddock was just toying with stars in his reality warp as clearly shown.
Bull shit
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
However because stars were involved in both cases all i heard from both of you was nope Jaspers warped the entire universe,
nope Braddock created an entire universe.
"both of you?"

Who do you think you are dogs?

Wow, the instant you think you've made a point of consequence
you drool in your pants.

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Originally posted by Galan007
How did those scans help?

By proving that a reality warper can make a seemingly small space, really, really big?


...

The PROOF ... as always:


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Here Kitty Pride is able to jump from Earth-616
to This Alternate Reality, (created mostly by Jamie)
and back to 616,

she can do this using Widget's Dimensional Gate:

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2899/jam1ig9.th.jpg

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(Excalibur #18 & #19) don't make it clear whether the Jamie in the Other Dimension is real or not.
The World he lives in is certainly an idealized version of what Jamie would consider a paradise -
one where racing drivers are revered as the top celebrities of the Planet.
Until the Second installment we are led to believe this is just another Alternate Reality,
but then we learn that Earth-616's Jamie is manipulating what is happening.

When 616 Jamie goes to sleep, not only does his counterpart vanish,
but so too do the Dirty Angels and the City around them.

This certainly would imply that 616 Jamie Created all of them.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5356/jam2dz8.th.jpg

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Next page we learn,


Widget's Dimensional Gate that leads to this Alternate Reality from 616,

has NO Alternate Reality to go to: hm

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1526/jam3ip1.th.jpg

"Widget's Dimensional Gate didn't work, I'm trapped on Earth"

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Don't tell me ...

that whole Universe was cut off from the Omniverse because Jamie's City disappeared?

Or was it cut off because what made it a relevant Universe was most of it,
in other words ... what Jamie created?

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continues in the next post:

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I guess we should ignore this aswell:


(Phoenix & Meggan linked as one are able to transform into certain beings with powers and all)

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Dazzler's power comes from Sound waves that permeate through the Universe,

Jamie shuts off all the Sound in that Reality:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3442/jam4qf2.th.jpg


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Here Jamie makes Havok's own nuclear plasma blast explode the Moon

in Space,

after blasting a hole straight through him:

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4838/jam5bx7.th.jpg


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Here Jamie actually turns all the STARS in this Universe into snowflakes apparently:

(in order to turn off Havok's power which came from Stellar Energy at the time)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4076/jam6hr3.th.jpg

"No more Stars ... means No more Steller Energy"


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It's a rap right there.

Anyone who denies this feat is a hater,

all the true debaters agree on the CLEAR OBVIOUS ON PANEL PROOF!

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And finally .... owned2 ... sorry, had to say it.

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This is Jamie's official Bio from the Officially Marvel sposored site:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

"As Jamie fell asleep, the one fighting Excalibur,

as well as MUCH of his Reality,

vanished into nothingness"

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I thought you said you presented "Bios" that stated otherwise?


Well ... bull shit aside ...


EVIDENTLY 616 Jamie Created MUCH of that Alternate Reality.


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I'm not surprised, Kitty couldn't return to that Reality,
that was sufficient On Panel proof for un-biased eyes.



Jamie Created MUCH of that Universe,

but ... Jamie had Total Control of that entire Universe as we saw in the scans

Just one question... couldn't Widgets gate have just not been working?

I really think that Jamie is capable of removing all reality around MJJ, and just leave him there, or teleport him out of reality like Fury did.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Just one question... couldn't Widgets gate have just not been working?
That's never alluded to,
and it was working fine anyhow because Excalibur escaped in the nick of time.

The Gate simply was not there,
because as Jamie's Marvel bio points out,
"MUCH of that Universe vanished"

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

(bottom of page) - Jamie's counter-part

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Btw. Nice feat ey,
turining all the Stars in an entire Universe into snowflakes, with a thought.

You know what's even more awesome?

Is that 616 Jamie was empowering that alternate Jamie that did that.
In fact, it was 616 Jamie that created that Jamie just for amusement.