Originally posted by Air Legend
Just to put in here, we really don't know just how powerful SSJ4 Gogeta really is. We do know he posseses the power to manipulate matter (or the power to create from nothing), as he did a prank on Shenlong by blasting confetti at him.
Shhh the DBZ hate machine will get started if you bring that up.
The main problem on these forums is the DBZ canon, since the forums generally go by the Manga and not the animated series, if you count DB GT then it opens up "non-canon" fillers as canon, which would put DBZ characters at a much much higher power level than the forum gives them credit for.
If that's done, then many of the prepared arguments of the forum goers are rendered useless, thus a flameware inevitably envelops the forum over said subject, this is why it was banned here in the first place.
Basically if you go by the American version of the anime + DB GT, then DBZ characters were moving hundreds of times the speed of light just during the Freeza saga, and even faster later on - which would give any DragonBall character post-SSJ 2 level in strength a clear win over Superman, which in turn would cause an enormous flame war which would have no end since it would imply that the mighty Superman actually has a chance of getting beaten by another hero.
Whereas if you go by the Japanese anime and forum canon, then DBZ characters never actually achieved FTL fighting techniques other than instant transmission.