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So the superhuman registration act has been around for a little while now in marvel. Do you guys see any notable changes, good or bad? Do you think this was a good move on marvel's part or what?

Yes, because it relates to the real world.

I am with it.

Against registration. For it as a development in the MU. It's an interesting backdrop for all the titles now, but doesn't dominate like it did during CW.

Why against?

i'm still firmly against registration

I'm against registration as a concept purely because it makes the MU a more dangerous place for the heroes.

However I enjoyed Civil War as a story, I'm glad that the pro-reg won the Civil War and we have had some great story lines come from this. Also it was nice to see Marvel live up to their word when they said the MU would be changed

Originally posted by willRules
I'm against registration as a concept purely because it makes the MU a more dangerous place for the heroes.

However I enjoyed Civil War as a story, I am glad that the pro-reg won the Civil War and we have had some great story lines come from this. Also it was nice to see Marvel live up to their word when they said the MU would be changed

They know the risks. If you do not want danger then do not do it.

There is people who have to live with the fact that a man who could crush their skull is out there with no one controlling him. Why should they have to worry about that?

The registration acts makes it safer for the hero and civilian anyway.

The hero always has back up. The civilian is safe because there are always people who know what's controlling or keeping tab on then. The bad thing about is how they are being punished when not doing it.

But its still safer for the community because how else would they keep them locked up?

Its still not like they are making the heroes suffer on purpose. They have virtual reality helmets that are supposed to give them what they want, maybe they are not working so well but its not like the reg side aren't trying. They have also given many chances and offered to talk about it and will be getting paid and paid well.

There's a risk they re identity's will be found out.

But there's also the risk that when not registered they will be followed and be tracked. Or is it easier to hack the smartest or one of the smartest men on the planets computer with the best equipment on the planet?

They have just become cops with more choices and freedom in some aspects.

Basically registration =

just because they "know the risks" doesn't mean they should be made to accept them or avoid them. just because someone living in a bad neighborhood knows they could get victimized doesn't mean they should be made to accept it or leave. knowledge of the risks doesn't eliminate the inherent injustices of the situation.

Originally posted by Peek
There's a risk they re identity's will be found out.



This is a bigger issue than you are making out in your argument which is understandable if you are pro-reg

Originally posted by Disappear
just because they "know the risks" doesn't mean they should be made to accept them or avoid them. just because someone living in a bad neighborhood knows they could get victimized doesn't mean they should be made to accept it or leave. knowledge of the risks doesn't eliminate the inherent injustices of the situation. If they want to risk their lives then yes they do.

It comes with the territory.

Why should the civilians be at risk?

Originally posted by willRules
This is a bigger issue than you are making out in your argument which is understandable if you are pro-reg Then explain it to me if its bigger.

Bad move, only two or three issues into the initiative and i gave up....most of my pull list for marvel is done.....hated the civil war......and caps death and peters unmasking, all which led to boring stuff, i dont see a solid return to marvel for me untill all this is out the window...skrulls invading and such will make this just an era of worthless comics

Just my opinion and that all it is, i understand we all cant like the same things.....but DC comics are happy lol, my pull list added another 5 or more titles

Originally posted by Disappear
just because they "know the risks" doesn't mean they should be made to accept them or avoid them. just because someone living in a bad neighborhood knows they could get victimized doesn't mean they should be made to accept it or leave. knowledge of the risks doesn't eliminate the inherent injustices of the situation.

well, i don't think it has THAT big rammifications other then the main avenger titles. The Initiative is teh awesome tho.

im against it! just dont like the idea! peters unmasking really irritated me. any enemies he had will know his identity now. isnt that just great

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
im against it! just dont like the idea! peters unmasking really irritated me. any enemies he had will know his identity now. isnt that just great

he doesnt have to worry about that anymore. nobody knows peter parker is spider-man besides peter parker. he's now officially unregistered and is relatively off the map as far as superheroing is concerned. when that's going to catch up with new avengers, i have no idea.

dont like the registration

1. Spiderman says he is Peter Parker
2. Aunt May ges shot by Kingpins Sniper
3. Peter feels guilt
4. Peter makes deal with Mephisto
5. Spiderman ****ed up


so yeah i dont like it!!

it has its pros and cons... too bad for the heroes, the pros are actually working on the civilian side. they get trained superhuman police teams. the heroes on the other hand... well, their families get boned big time, to put it quite simply.

Originally posted by lando005
So the superhuman registration act has been around for a little while now in marvel. Do you guys see any notable changes, good or bad? Do you think this was a good move on marvel's part or what?

Against.

Originally posted by Peek
Then explain it to me if its bigger.


They have to put their trust of their identity's in the government. They clearly don't trust the government otherwise they would be pro-reg. They don't get government support and can even be arrested for making decisions that go against governmental/S.H.I.E.L.D directive, despite what they believe to be right or wrong. I have no issue with registering heroes.I have an issue with the risk of that breaking out and i have an issue with heroes being controlled by the government

Originally posted by willRules
They have to put their trust of their identity's in the government. They clearly don't trust the government otherwise they would be pro-reg. They don't get government support and can even be arrested for making decisions that go against governmental/S.H.I.E.L.D directive, despite what they believe to be right or wrong. I have no issue with registering heroes.I have an issue with the risk of that breaking out and i have an issue with heroes being controlled by the government Exactly, now we are stuck with a group of heroes who have to wait for permission to act in order to save lives instead of doing what's right. Also what happens when the gov control over the heroes become corrupted then what they are suppose to sit idly by while some gov official who obviously is doing something wrong gets away with it? I remember once spider-man was commenting on a case he was investigating stating that he was able to progress much faster and solve the situation quicker because he can simply bypass all the red tape that the police would have to go through. The heroes are suppose to stand for the people not the gov

Exactly. It wouldn't be as much of an issue even if all that red tape was beneficial to society from a sort of moral standpoint but it's not.

on a totally unrelated note, i just got a job making $30 an hour woot!!!!!

Originally posted by lando005
on a totally unrelated note, i just got a job making $30 an hour woot!!!!! Prostitution?

From various registration act rant threads:Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sort of. As in Marvel seems to want to make the theme civil liberties.... with government control being the subtle bad guy...

The civil liberty to dress up and fight crime as a vigilante? (Way to diminish actual civil rights movements...) ... It's trying to apply a real world analogue to a situation where it doesn't really suit.

The mutant registration act was an okay civil liberties theme analogue because it was about a minority being discriminated due to something beyond their control and wanting to be treated with equal integrity.

In civil war the anti- people are fighting for their "right?" to be above the law... their "right?" to perform these activities by their own choice... just doesn't really fly and seems kinda silly if you really think about it.

It begs the question why have people even allowed this to go on at all? A question that doesn't seem to have been addressed in full as yet and probably won't. The status quo in comics is ordinary people have simply accepted heroes "just because". Civil War is no Watchmen

And yes it can't last, in the end they can't get rid of the heroes... this is the world of comic heroes... Marvel without heroes = bankrupt.. something will reconcile the two groups. Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're a bit late Spunky, I was bitching about the premise when it started. 131

Marvel already had an allegory for discrimination - mutants; which was a more legitimate civil rights allegory as it wasn't based on costumed heroics as a choice, it was based on genetically derived uncontrolled differences. And ordinary people in Marvel have in general always disliked mutants and would do so regardless of if there was no Magneto et al.

Halfway through Civil War they made it more akin to a civil rights issue in that powered people were made to register I think... but then it just becomes inconsistent - the likes of street levelers are never going to be able to cause any massive death and destruction that any ordinary person couldn't given the right resources... so is it about costumed heroics or powers at that stage... only the latter of which is an actual civil rights issue. Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh, the difference between "mutant registration" and "hero registration" is that the latter is registering a choice you've made.

Not every mutant will be an X-Man, in fact preHoM most weren't. They were ordinary people who were born a different way, and governments were proposing to register them for being born different despite them just living average ordinary lives. It's like asking someone to register because of their race or gender or sexuality.

Conversely everyone who puts on a colorful costume and runs around executing vigilante justice, does so of their own volition. They all choose to do the things they do, Marvel saying this is a civil rights issue is kind of hollow, no one has the right to be a vigilante.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Prostitution? nah i'ld do porn first and make 800 a scene

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
From various registration act rant threads: now we are stuck with a group of heroes who have to wait for permission to act in order to save lives instead of doing what's right. Also what happens when the gov control over the heroes become corrupted then what they are suppose to sit idly by while some gov official who obviously is doing something wrong gets away with it? I remember once spider-man was commenting on a case he was investigating stating that he was able to progress much faster and solve the situation quicker because he can simply bypass all the red tape that the police would have to go through. The heroes are suppose to stand for the people not the gov

Originally posted by lando005
now we are stuck with a group of heroes who have to wait for permission to act in order to save lives instead of doing what's right. Also what happens when the gov control over the heroes become corrupted then what they are suppose to sit idly by while some gov official who obviously is doing something wrong gets away with it? I remember once spider-man was commenting on a case he was investigating stating that he was able to progress much faster and solve the situation quicker because he can simply bypass all the red tape that the police would have to go through. The heroes are suppose to stand for the people not the gov My posts are about the premise of the registration act, not the execution.

The way in which Marvel have chosen to portray registration, how it's been executed and follow on effects, are irrelevant to what I wrote.

The premise of registration was fine when it was applied (only) to those who of their own volition perform costumed heroics. Nobody has the "right" to be a vigilante; so it's a perfectly reasonable request.

When it began being about powered people, the premise became muddled, despite being a better allegory.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My posts are about the premise of the registration act, not the execution.

The way in which Marvel have chosen to portray registration, how it's been executed and follow on effects, are irrelevant to what I wrote.

The premise of registration was fine when it was applied (only) to those who of their own volition perform costumed heroics. Nobody has the "right" to be a vigilante; so it's a perfectly reasonable request.

When it began being about powered people, the premise became muddled, despite being a better allegory. here's the deal though the mutant registration act was never taken seriously, sure the act was past and it created quite a buzz for a little while but it fallen the way of so many laws that are made, but never enforced.

Originally posted by willRules
They have to put their trust of their identity's in the government. They clearly don't trust the government otherwise they would be pro-reg. They don't get government support and can even be arrested for making decisions that go against governmental/S.H.I.E.L.D directive, despite what they believe to be right or wrong. I have no issue with registering heroes.I have an issue with the risk of that breaking out and i have an issue with heroes being controlled by the government

The comic world government is a little different than ours.

More trust worthy etc.

Originally posted by Amp
The comic world government is a little different than ours.

More trust worthy etc. they are just about as currupt as their real world counter parts

Originally posted by Amp
The comic world government is a little different than ours.

More trust worthy etc.

You mean like Henry Gyrich? Dell Rusk?

ah well at least we can trust the influential industrialists like Tony Stark....

Never Mind

"That's crazy. The government doesn't lie!" - AVP 2

duryes

I wonder if Criss Angel had to register his powers.

Originally posted by willRules
You mean like Henry Gyrich? Dell Rusk?

ah well at least we can trust the influential industrialists like Tony Stark....

Never Mind

Dont matter you're still......

Originally posted by Amp
Wrong.

Originally posted by Juntai
I wonder if Criss Angel had to register his powers. nah doc strange didnt

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Dont matter you're still......


Pwned

Originally posted by lando005
nah doc strange didnt

That was before he started jobbing and forgetting his powers. He basically told them at the time to go **** themselves and stop bothering him before he turns them into mice.

As a result, the gov. said he was exempt and to not bother him.