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GL Batman vs YL Batman
Bruce Wayne must face his self with opposing Lantern rings!
To decide which is greater his willpower or fear power Bruce Wayne gets doubled into 2 identical equal and original people. Then is given a Green Lantern Willpower ring to one and a Yellow Lantern Fear power ring to the other. Both get unlimited prep and full access to their resources.
Who wins?
Originally posted by iceman24567Well he uses fear as a weapon unaided far better than any other but I'd also say his willpower is probably as great as any human's could ever be!
Blah his control over fear may match his will power stalemate.
So I donno but I've always seen him as more in control of Fear than hisown willpower.
I mean his will might be as strong as it can possibly be but it's always seemed to me that to him its more something he has to do than something he really choices to do.
I really don't think he could quit. Even thou he's said he can.
Fear however he's always seemed in complete control of!
Re: GL Batman vs YL Batman
Originally posted by Entity
Bruce Wayne must face his self with opposing Lantern rings!To decide which is greater his willpower or fear power Bruce Wayne gets doubled into 2 identical equal and original people. Then is given a Green Lantern Willpower ring to one and a Yellow Lantern Fear power ring to the other. Both get unlimited prep and full access to their resources.
Who wins?
Re: Re: GL Batman vs YL Batman
Yes I know he was offered a Sinestro corps ring. Thats what gave me the idea.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
But that was when he was refusing to accept the ring and its power. So he wasn't even trying to embrace it. This is if he was trying to embrace it to his fullest extent. Could he beat himself with either ring?
Really I don't see why he wouldn't want to have a GL or YL Ring. Why would it mean he'd have to join the Sinestro corps? I mean its the ultimate utility belt!
But of course we all know then he wouldn't be the same for the readers now would he?
Hmmmm ....interesting. Willpower vs fear.
In terms of willpower, Bruce is one of the best when it comes to humans. There are a couple who surpass him (e.g. John and Hal), but Bruce is pretty much near the top of the human hierachy. When he puts his will to something (be it tracking down a criminal, becoming the best detective in the globe, or 'simply' healing from a broken back and getting back to crime fighting) his will is indomitable.
As for fear ....let's put it this way. Gotham's underworld fears the person far more than they feared Superman when he came over. Criminals fear the guy so much, that Bludhaven became a bigger cesspool than Gotham when many of the criminals fled there. His mind is so dark that psychic adepts always say that it is not a very nice place to be.
But the key thing is this .....his level of fear creation was sufficient enough to draw a Qwardian ring to him! Now, that is something! He was selected to represent an entire sector for the Sinestro Corps, which says something major about him (one of the inside jokes about Batman is that he is a good guy .....he is not. For one he is not sane, and second of all he is evil ....it is just that he is an elitist sort of evil that cannot stand 'inferior' evils around it. His heart is not pure, he is not a nice person, at best he is amoral, and the Qwardian ring confirmed just what sort of character he is. The thing about Batman is this ....for now he fights evil, but what happens when the evil he fights is vanquished? Will he retire? Nope ....he will simply turn on the other people).
BTW: That is something that was explored in Batman Crimson Mist, Red Rain and Blood Storm (Graphic novels every Batman fan should read). By portraying him as a master vampire that feeds on criminals, they show who Batman really is. In my opinion it was less of an elseworlds story as it was a look into Bruce's psyche.
He is a supremely evil man (in that case a vampire) that was fighting criminals (in that case killing criminals), until a point reached when he had killed all the criminals and was at risk of turning on the rest of Gotham (and humanity). It was at that point that he had to die, otherwise he would have become the consumate evil.
Batman is evil incarnate .....it is just that for now he has a lot of 'lesser evil' to feed off of. But the moment the last perp hits the dirt, the Joker laughs no more, Penguin goes the way of the Dodo, and Killer Croc and the other evil ilk pass on .....then the true colors of Bruce Wayne will be shown.
Not the most dangerous man in the world ....but rather the most evil man in the world.
Anyways, back to the question:
Batman has immense will power ....that is a given.
But note: He was chosen to be the Qwardian ring wielder of an entire sector. What does that say about the hombre?
Let's put it this way ....I wouldn't want to be the last person to switch off the lights at Arkham with Batman around.
You know Spetz, I always considered Joker the dark reflection of Batman. Remember that last scene in the killing joke when Bats laughs at the asylum joke? That scared me. fear
Darkseid made a comment about Batman awhile ago. It was during the time when Supergirl was taken to Apokolips and Batman armed the hellspores to be used against DS. It was something to the effect of "the amazon and the kryptonian could not have done what you did. I would have seen through it and neither of them has the capacity to use my own hellspores against me. But you, you are a human. You kill your own kind for little or no reason. your race is the definition of insanity."
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hmmmm ....interesting. Willpower vs fear.In terms of willpower, Bruce is one of the best when it comes to humans. There are a couple who surpass him (e.g. John and Hal), but Bruce is pretty much near the top of the human hierachy. When he puts his will to something (be it tracking down a criminal, becoming the best detective in the globe, or 'simply' healing from a broken back and getting back to crime fighting) his will is indomitable.
As for fear ....let's put it this way. Gotham's underworld fears the person far more than they feared Superman when he came over. Criminals fear the guy so much, that Bludhaven became a bigger cesspool than Gotham when many of the criminals fled there. His mind is so dark that psychic adepts always say that it is not a very nice place to be.
But the key thing is this .....his level of fear creation was sufficient enough to draw a Qwardian ring to him! Now, that is something! He was selected to represent an entire sector for the Sinestro Corps, which says something major about him (one of the inside jokes about Batman is that he is a good guy .....he is not. For one he is not sane, and second of all he is evil ....it is just that he is an elitist sort of evil that cannot stand 'inferior' evils around it. His heart is not pure, he is not a nice person, at best he is amoral, and the Qwardian ring confirmed just what sort of character he is. The thing about Batman is this ....for now he fights evil, but what happens when the evil he fights is vanquished? Will he retire? Nope ....he will simply turn on the other people).
BTW: That is something that was explored in Batman Crimson Mist, Red Rain and Blood Storm (Graphic novels every Batman fan should read). By portraying him as a master vampire that feeds on criminals, they show who Batman really is. In my opinion it was less of an elseworlds story as it was a look into Bruce's psyche.
He is a supremely evil man (in that case a vampire) that was fighting criminals (in that case killing criminals), until a point reached when he had killed all the criminals and was at risk of turning on the rest of Gotham (and humanity). It was at that point that he had to die, otherwise he would have become the consumate evil.
Batman is evil incarnate .....it is just that for now he has a lot of 'lesser evil' to feed off of. But the moment the last perp hits the dirt, the Joker laughs no more, Penguin goes the way of the Dodo, and Killer Croc and the other evil ilk pass on .....then the true colors of Bruce Wayne will be shown.
Not the most dangerous man in the world ....but rather the most evil man in the world.
Anyways, back to the question:
Batman has immense will power ....that is a given.
But note: He was chosen to be the Qwardian ring wielder of an entire sector. What does that say about the hombre?
Let's put it this way ....I wouldn't want to be the last person to switch off the lights at Arkham with Batman around.
Where's Batdude? He really needs to read this.
And I mean nothing ill towards Bruce, I love him in fact. Its just that I've always seen Bruce's doing what he does not nearly so much about being a hero as it is him just getting to take revenge on criminals for what they've done and keep trying to do.
However I don't think he's a villain or evil at heart by any means. I just think he's realises a very dark truth about the world we live in. Its turned him dark with it. He knows what Clark and many others in DC refuse to accept as truth.
One reason I love the Dark Knight Returns so much among many is that he finally accepts that he has to kill the Joker. Because it'll never stop till he does.
I also like Batman ....definitely among my top 5 characters. It is just that Bruce Wayne is not the hero people think he is .....he does heroic acts, but he is no hero.
Simple analogy: In India one of the most dangerous serpents is the Russell's viper, which kills more people than any other snake in the world (most herpetologists say it kills around 10,000 people a year). Now, the reason so many are killed is that the snakes go to where people live in search of vermin .....rats are drawn to people, and where rats are predators that feed on rats (e.g. the Krait, the Indian cobra, and the Russell's Viper) will be drawn.
The good thing is that the viper really kills MANY rats, and takes care of a very serious rodent problem that unattended would lead to disease and grain destruction.
Problem is that around 10,000 humans have to pay for that 'service' with their lives.
Now, how does this analogy work: put it this way .....Superman is a cat, while Batman is a Russells viper.
Both kill rats and mice, and kill a lot.
But one will also kill people if given the chance.
Think of it: the cat and the snake both do 'heroic' acts of killing rodents, but one of them will kill you just as easily. It doesn't want to kill you, but it still can. The other, the cat, will either give you a bad look, scratch you, or maybe come sit on your lap and lick your hand.
Now, I know Batman doesn't kill, but I wonder what would happen once the rats (read: criminals) are finished .......hewould turn on the rest of Gotham. He is too driven to simply retire and spend the rest of his days watching sunsets with Robin.
He would fill the void left with himself.
In my opinion, Batman is heroic. But not a hero. And there is a difference between being heroic (and even doing astounding feats of heroism), and being a hero. One is through deeds, the other is through personality. You can do very heroic deeds, but inside you are no hero.
It is the same with being moral, being immoral, and being amoral.
Moral: Does good because she is good
Immoral: Does bad because she is bad
Amoral: If she does good he is doing it because she WANTS to, if he does evil she is doing it because she wants to. Has no moral code .....she can be a saint for 100 years, and on the 101st she starts beating up toddlers.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hmmmm ....interesting. Willpower vs fear.In terms of willpower, Bruce is one of the best when it comes to humans. There are a couple who surpass him (e.g. John and Hal), but Bruce is pretty much near the top of the human hierachy. When he puts his will to something (be it tracking down a criminal, becoming the best detective in the globe, or 'simply' healing from a broken back and getting back to crime fighting) his will is indomitable.
As for fear ....let's put it this way. Gotham's underworld fears the person far more than they feared Superman when he came over. Criminals fear the guy so much, that Bludhaven became a bigger cesspool than Gotham when many of the criminals fled there. His mind is so dark that psychic adepts always say that it is not a very nice place to be.
But the key thing is this .....his level of fear creation was sufficient enough to draw a Qwardian ring to him! Now, that is something! He was selected to represent an entire sector for the Sinestro Corps, which says something major about him (one of the inside jokes about Batman is that he is a good guy .....he is not. For one he is not sane, and second of all he is evil ....it is just that he is an elitist sort of evil that cannot stand 'inferior' evils around it. His heart is not pure, he is not a nice person, at best he is amoral, and the Qwardian ring confirmed just what sort of character he is. The thing about Batman is this ....for now he fights evil, but what happens when the evil he fights is vanquished? Will he retire? Nope ....he will simply turn on the other people).
BTW: That is something that was explored in Batman Crimson Mist, Red Rain and Blood Storm (Graphic novels every Batman fan should read). By portraying him as a master vampire that feeds on criminals, they show who Batman really is. In my opinion it was less of an elseworlds story as it was a look into Bruce's psyche.
He is a supremely evil man (in that case a vampire) that was fighting criminals (in that case killing criminals), until a point reached when he had killed all the criminals and was at risk of turning on the rest of Gotham (and humanity). It was at that point that he had to die, otherwise he would have become the consumate evil.
Batman is evil incarnate .....it is just that for now he has a lot of 'lesser evil' to feed off of. But the moment the last perp hits the dirt, the Joker laughs no more, Penguin goes the way of the Dodo, and Killer Croc and the other evil ilk pass on .....then the true colors of Bruce Wayne will be shown.
Not the most dangerous man in the world ....but rather the most evil man in the world.
Anyways, back to the question:
Batman has immense will power ....that is a given.
But note: He was chosen to be the Qwardian ring wielder of an entire sector. What does that say about the hombre?
Let's put it this way ....I wouldn't want to be the last person to switch off the lights at Arkham with Batman around.
That is a really cool analysis of Batman's character.
