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who wins... all out universe-wide war...

Cyttorak wins, that's who.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Cyttorak wins, that's who.
No way in hell,zom dominates.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Cyttorak wins, that's who.
any scans to support that?

Originally posted by janus77
any scans to support that?


No scans, but Cyttoraks origin is far more impressive than any of these guys. Galactus and the rest of these guys wouldn't need to be exiled in order to be stopped.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No scans, but Cyttoraks origin is far more impressive than any of these guys. Galactus and the rest of these guys wouldn't need to be exiled in order to be stopped.
Galactus ate the universe, how much more impressive does it get?
Ashema is a Celestial, easily capable of matching the young Franklin Richards... again pretty damned impressive.

Zom required the intervention of LT, seriously impressive.

I don't think Galactus has ever tried to do serious damage, it's not his purpose, so can't really take the banishment thing as a basis for comparison imo.

Yet Galactus had fits with Tyrant who is far below Cyttorak. If big G was all he claims he is why in the Storm breaker mini didn't he go up against Asteroth? I think he was scared that she would have absorbed him into herself. Marvel if you haven't noticed places its most dangerous entities in pocket dimensions. Cyttorak is one of those entities.

They go in this order
Zom
Galactus
Cyttorak
Ego
Ashema

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus ate the universe, how much more impressive does it get?
Ashema is a Celestial, easily capable of matching the young Franklin Richards... again pretty damned impressive.

Zom required the intervention of LT, seriously impressive.

I don't think Galactus has ever tried to do serious damage, it's not his purpose, so can't really take the banishment thing as a basis for comparison imo.

Ashema resurrected Young Frankie

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Yet Galactus had fits with Tyrant who is far below Cyttorak. If big G was all he claims he is why in the Storm breaker mini didn't he go up against Asteroth? I think he was scared that she would have absorbed him into herself. Marvel if you haven't noticed places its most dangerous entities in pocket dimensions. Cyttorak is one of those entities.
Franklin created a Pocket Dimension. far more impressive than lording over one.

UniLord was the God of a Universe, Surfer absorbed his energies and the souls/blackbodies that he had trapped.

Hulk beat up Nightmare, who has a dominion of his own.

Galactus was absorbing Mephisto's dimension, until Mephisto gave up.


I don't think Cyttorak is all that, he got beat by Juggernaut, .

what's there in terms of proof, for Cyttorak's elevation?

Originally posted by guy222
Ashema resurrected Young Frankie
she did? cool. must have missed that issue in my reading... Heroes Reborn era, I presume?

Ashema/Franklin are on a similar level, no?

Evening buddy

I will post the scan in a bit

Frankie=1 Celestial

look forward to it,
thanks guy .





makes you wonder though, Franklin could create a Galactus and yet he's equal to a Celestial. Galactus can square off against a few Celestials, eat the Universe, and yet... no really impressive reality warping feats (unless the "hide the Zenn-la" games he plays with Surfer are reality warping feats? ).

Here ya go

Ashema healing Frankie

http://i110.imagethrust.com/t/681054/heroesreborn313.jpg http://i113.imagethrust.com/t/681055/heroesreborn314.jpg http://i106.imagethrust.com/t/681056/heroesreborn315.jpg

In regards to Galactus and Celestials. IMO, there's just too many Celestials for Galactus to overcome. In Earth X, Franklin was Galactus. In Heroes Reborn, Frankie is respected by the Celestials. As u can see, Ashema heals Frankie after he died.

During the Abraxas saga, Frankie and Valeria healed Big G

Originally posted by janus77

Franklin could create a Galactus and yet he's equal to a Celestial.
Franky can't do that in his child-like state. (I doubt he can do that as an adult too)
Franky was able to reform Galactus from his natural state (an infinite Star)
back into his armor, but ... Franky had to merge his power with his sister's Valeria,
and still, it taxed Franky's powers completely. (he was literally powerless for a while)

Originally posted by janus77

Galactus can square off against a few Celestials, eat the Universe, and yet...
no really impressive reality warping feats
True that,
big G doesn't exercise his power to warp matter/energy much,
but he has, on smaller scales though.

Originally posted by guy222

In Earth X, Franklin was Galactus.
Actually good friend guy, he wasn't literally Galactus.
Alot of people don't know this btw,
but had the Celestials known Franky was impersonating big G,
he might've got stomped.

Atleast according to Reed.

The Celestials didn't go all out cause they respected Galactus's status in the Universe.
(which is the same in all Realities)
Remember, kill an Alternate Galactus,
and the alternate Universe he resides in, collapses.

Cool

Earth X

Cyttorak can destroy all of creation. That's why he got banished to the Crimson Cosmos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually good friend guy, he wasn't literally Galactus.
Alot of people don't know this btw,
but had the Celestials known Franky was impersonating big G,
he might've got stomped.

Atleast according to Reed.

The Celestials didn't go all out cause they respected Galactus's status in the Universe.
(which is the same in all Realities)
Remember, kill an Alternate Galactus,
and the alternate Universe he resides in, collapses.

He became galactus the moment he believed that he was Galactus, And he would remain Galactus for as long as none told him otherwise.

And nothing changes the fact that Galactus under his own power destroyed 3 Celestials.

Galactus destroyed 3 Celestials? cool, got scans?

I'm still struggling to see what makes people rank Cyttorak at all.
he seems no different to characters like Mephisto and Nightmare... a boogie man for the super-powered, but inconsequential to the more Celestial types.

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus destroyed 3 Celestials? cool, got scans?

I'm still struggling to see what makes people rank Cyttorak at all.
he seems no different to characters like Mephisto and Nightmare... a boogie man for the super-powered, but inconsequential to the more Celestial types.

Remember it was from the Earth X

lower left corner

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=__hr_Page 15.jpg

you can see it quiet clear here

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