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Juggernaut solos!
can't be physically hurt!

Evening Young Jedi

Tiamut is the baddest Celestial(Earth-616)

Team One FTW

Originally posted by JediSamuraiMRB

Team 1 stomps.

This is a joke of a thread.

Team One takes it easily.

Team one ftw

Originally posted by Mr Master
Team 1 stomps.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Team 1 stomps.

umm, why does Team 1 stomp?
Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to physical force, and he's just a fraction of what Cyttorak can do, so how on earth do they beat Cyttorak?

Originally posted by janus77
umm, why does Team 1 stomp?
Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to physical force, and he's just a fraction of what Cyttorak can do, so how on earth do they beat Cyttorak?



juggs or cyttorak would get destroyed by galactus shield up or not

Originally posted by skyfather
juggs or cyttorak would get destroyed by galactus shield up or not
NO WAY!
Juggernaut is INVULNERABLE to physical force!

what's next, you'll be saying that Galactus would squish Juggernaut with his thumb or something .

Originally posted by janus77
NO WAY!
Juggernaut is INVULNERABLE to physical force!

what's next, you'll be saying that Galactus would squish Juggernaut with his thumb or something .

Nova has broken the true bands of Cyttorak, the magic is only as powerful as the entity providing it in this case Cyttorak, and imo Cyttorak is far below Agamotto which Galactus stalemated with in Agamottos own Realm.

Originally posted by janus77
NO WAY!
Juggernaut is INVULNERABLE to physical force!

what's next, you'll be saying that Galactus would squish Juggernaut with his thumb or something .
when does galactus rely on physical force

Originally posted by skyfather
when does galactus rely on physical force
yes but, if Cyttorak can produce a charm to nullify ANY PHYSICAL FORCE, what do you think Galactus could do to him?
Galactus uses science, energy, matter, atoms, particles ... it's all force at the end of the day.

Juggernaut cannot be harmed by it, so how do you expect Cyttorak to be?

Originally posted by janus77
yes but, if Cyttorak can produce a charm to nullify ANY PHYSICAL FORCE, what do you think Galactus could do to him?
Galactus uses science, energy, matter, atoms, particles ... it's all force at the end of the day.

Juggernaut cannot be harmed by it, so how do you expect Cyttorak to be?




so by your reckoning juggernaut/cyttorak is the most powerful being in the marvel universe then

'cos no physical force can hurt Juggernaut. everybody says so! .

Big G and Tiamut would be ABOVE the power of Cytorrak...so, they would be beyond Juggs ability to absorb physical punishment.

Team 1 for the win....unless Dr. Strange had some bad ass prep time.

Tiamut would stomp team 2 by himself
Galactus would do the same.

but how can they, neither can physically harm Cyttorak, can they?

Originally posted by janus77
but how can they, neither can physically harm Cyttorak, can they?

If they can overcome his enchanment then they can harm him, hell Onslaught ripped the gem from his body.

yes but that was PIS, apparently.
though how that explains Onslaught slapping Juggernaut across the continent, I don't know .


it's just that... I thought we all agreed that Juggernaut could not be hurt, physically... and if Cyttorak can do that, with his magics, just think how powerful he must be ... I mean Juggernaut's tougher than Surfer or Tyrant, isn't he?

Originally posted by janus77
yes but that was PIS, apparently.
though how that explains Onslaught slapping Juggernaut across the continent, I don't know .


it's just that... I thought we all agreed that Juggernaut could not be hurt, physically... and if Cyttorak can do that, with his magics, just think how powerful he must be ... I mean Juggernaut's tougher than Surfer or Tyrant, isn't he?

Apparently

Not from the forces on earth but to assume that a being as a Celestial couldn't hurt him is a bit off imo. Tougher then SS :shrug: tougher then Tyrant I doubt it.

Originally posted by janus77
umm, why does Team 1 stomp?
Juggy himself owned the embodiment of Cyttorak with physical force:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2236/mbodisuni2ki7.th.jpg



Unfortunately, Juggy's powers derive from Cyttorak,
so Juggy defeated himself in the process aswell:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5170/mbodisuni9dj0.th.jpg


Unlike Juggy,
Taimut and Galactus have no connection to Cyttorak,
therefore, Cyttorak, get's stomped.

Originally posted by Utrigita
the magic is only as powerful as the entity providing it

Agreed 100%

Any being more powerful than Cytorrak can overcome Cytorraks enchantments.

For example, one of the enchantments given to Jugg is that with his helmet on, he can't be affected by telepathic force

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242371.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242374.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242365.jpg

Not so!

Great scans gentlemen

Onslaught vs Cain

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9319/18kj9.th.jpghttp://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9205/19lp9.th.jpg


Tiamut puts a hurt on Team 2

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Agreed 100%

Any being more powerful than Cytorrak can overcome Cytorraks enchantments.

For example, one of the enchantments given to Jugg is that with his helmet on, he can't be affected by telepathic force

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242371.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242374.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242365.jpg

Not so!
look, you're reasoning too much. Juggernaut said that he's unstoppable, and so he is. he said he can't be hurt by physical force (and many in here repeat it mantra-like) and so he can't. Scans be damned!

seriously, I've seen it 'argued' (asserted without reason nor rhyme) that even Galactus couldn't hurt Juggernaut physically... and I think I'm converted to the 'argument' .

Originally posted by Mr Master
Juggy himself owned the embodiment of Cyttorak with physical force:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2236/mbodisuni2ki7.th.jpg



Unfortunately, Juggy's powers derive from Cyttorak,
so Juggy defeated himself in the process aswell:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5170/mbodisuni9dj0.th.jpg


Unlike Juggy,
Taimut and Galactus have no connection to Cyttorak,
therefore, Cyttorak, get's stomped.
again, perfectly reasonable arguments. and I'm deeply sympathetic to them too. there was a time when I would have said that somebody with sufficient physical strength to overpower Cyttorak would naturally crush Juggernaut like a dungbeetle under an elephant's foot but, I've read that not even Galactus is strong enough to physically hurt juggernaut... and I'm now persuaded by the evidenciary weight of the bias err argument .

Originally posted by janus77
seriously, I've seen it 'argued' (asserted without reason nor rhyme) that even Galactus couldn't hurt Juggernaut physically... and I think I'm converted to the 'argument' . Then that makes your IQ lower than that of an earthworm that goes to special school.

Originally posted by Lord S
Then that makes your IQ lower than that of an earthworm that goes to special school.
oh the irony!

1) it's comics, don't breakout the personal insults until I've either coveted your Ox or Ass.

2) the sarcasm was laid on thick and strong, I figured it didn't require <sarcasm /> tags .

3) check how many people come up with the "Juggernaut cannot be hurt by physical force" argument... it's worse than 2DamnLoud's belief in the transcendence of an albino-haired over-extended weather girl.

Originally posted by janus77
3) check how many people come up with the "Juggernaut cannot be hurt by physical force" argument... it's worse than 2DamnLoud's belief in the transcendence of an albino-haired over-extended weather girl.

So damn true.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Agreed 100%

Any being more powerful than Cytorrak can overcome Cytorraks enchantments.

For example, one of the enchantments given to Jugg is that with his helmet on, he can't be affected by telepathic force

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242371.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242374.jpg

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/2/3917242365.jpg

Not so!

IRRC Xavier has gotten through his helmet twice though.(One of those times was 8th Day Juggernaut, the other was in Juggernauts first appearance). I can't remember if Onslaught mind raped him...if that was the case make that 3 times. Bedlam did it to 8th Day Juggernaut as well.
Psylocke also did it in the UXM 210's to Classic Juggernaut. But I know you're just taking the mickey.

BTW Isn't that Post 8th Day Juggernaut the one who was cut off from Cyttoraks power and influence?

Also you might know whether this is true or I'm just seeing things. Did Marvel Girl get through Classic Juggernauts helmet in the early UXM comics when she got her telepathy back? I remember something like that happening.

Originally posted by Lord S
Then that makes your IQ lower than that of an earthworm that goes to special school.

How could you miss the sarcasm.

Its was quite obvious this thread and his comments were in retaliation to people who stubbornly insist Jugg is beyond all physical harm.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
IRRC Xavier has gotten through his helmet twice though.(One of those times was 8th Day Juggernaut, the other was in Juggernauts first appearance). I can't remember if Onslaught mind raped him...if that was the case make that 3 times. Bedlam did it to 8th Day Juggernaut as well.
Psylocke also did it in the UXM 210's to Classic Juggernaut. But I know you're just taking the mickey.

BTW Isn't that Post 8th Day Juggernaut the one who was cut off from Cyttoraks power and influence?

Also you might know whether this is true or I'm just seeing things. Did Marvel Girl get through Classic Juggernauts helmet in the early UXM comics when she got her telepathy back? I remember something like that happening.

In Juggs first full fight with the X-men Uncanny x-men 13, The Human Torch, Marvel Girl and Angel together manage to remove Juggs helmet so that Prof can use his power. So Xavier didn't get through on the first occassion.

Where during the time of 8th Day Juggernaut did Xavier get through? The X-men weren't involved with the 8th Day Saga, that was an Avengers issue.

I think you're confusing 8th day Juggernaut with Trion Juggernaut who was a completely different. With Trion Juggernaut an Xavier possessed Logan leaped into Trion Juggernauts mouth thereby bypassing the helmet.

From this point on Xavier confronts Cain on the astral plane.

Onslaught did mind rape Juggs, but then thats the point, Onslaught was very powerful.

Bedlam did it, but then Bedlam was one of the Exemplars an avatar of Ikonn, just like Cain was an avatar of Cytorrak so you'd expect her to be able to. Their patrons were on equal footing, hence the need for them to decide superiority through their avatars during the Octessence.

Uncanny X-men 210 had nothing to do with Juggernaut, i assume you mean #218 where the X-men and Juggernaut fought? Yeah Psylockes blast did affect him, but it did nothing but give him a shock of pain because of its ferocity, despite Betsy trying to "stun him senseless"

Sorry i was bored

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In Juggs first full fight with the X-men Uncanny x-men 13, The Human Torch, Marvel Girl and Angel together manage to remove Juggs helmet so that Prof can use his power. So Xavier didn't get through on the first occassion.

Here's the instance I'm referring to:
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm01303um7.jpg



No I'm pretty sure Xavier was involved in the 8th Day Juggernaut Story. Here you go:

Xavier says Cain was confused though and that's how he was able to get through. However this was 8th Day Juggernaut.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/525/jug8thdayp11do1.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7637/jug8thdayp12mi9.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3980/jug8thdayp13ii0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9339/jug8thdayp14kk5.jpg




Didn't know the exact issue but I knew it occurred in the 210's.
Yep that's the one, that was Butterfly Betsy.

http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen21813io7.jpg

Betsy's Psi-Knife got through on a weakened juggernaut. I think there are two more instances where her knife gets through on a Classic Juggernaut. I'll go and check.
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen322large17jt5.jpg

And Psylocke Scanned his mind here but this was after the Onslaught incident:
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xm5311nh9.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xm5312hq8.jpg

Marvel Girl got through as well:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen104612qi6.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen104613vn8.jpg




Granted that's a possibility but if we take into account that people like Psylocke and Marvel Girl and Xavier were able to get through then everything becomes very iffy because that enchancement really seems to suck. IRRC He can block telekinesis by activating his force-field but he only ever activates his forcefield in a handful of comics and it's not always on. So it's possible that he can block telepathy if his forcefield is activated. However since he never has all we have to go by is that, that enchantment sucks.

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen103217ma2.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the instance I'm referring to:
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm01303um7.jpg



No I'm pretty sure Xavier was involved in the 8th Day Juggernaut Story. Here you go:

Xavier says Cain was confused though and that's how he was able to get through. However this was 8th Day Juggernaut.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/525/jug8thdayp11do1.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7637/jug8thdayp12mi9.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3980/jug8thdayp13ii0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9339/jug8thdayp14kk5.jpg




Didn't know the exact issue but I knew it occurred in the 210's.
Yep that's the one, that was Butterfly Betsy.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1861/ucxm01303um7.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5624/ucxm01316fo8.th.jpg

Betsy's Psi-Knife got through on a few occasions as well.
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen322large17jt5.jpg

And Psylocke Scanned his mind here but this was after the Onslaught incident:
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xm5311nh9.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xm5312hq8.jpg

Marvel Girl got through as well:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen104612qi6.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen104613vn8.jpg




Granted that's a possibility but if we take into account that people like Psylocke and Marvel Girl and Xavier were able to get through then everything becomes very iffy because that enchancement really seems to suck. IRRC He can block telekinesis by activating his force-field but he only ever activates his forcefield in a handful of comics and it's not always on. So it's possible that he can block telepathy if his forcefield is activated. However since he never has all we have to go by is that, that enchantment sucks.

Thanks for that, i'll save those scans for future use.

It seems Juggernaut is even more stoppable than i thought

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks for that, i'll save those scans for future use.

It seems Juggernaut is even more stoppable than i thought

No problem. X and I collected a bunch of scans a while back. And I remember we posted them in the Sinister vs. Juggernaut thread. In that very thread a user was saying Sinister did not have telepathy even after seeing evidence from Inferno and scans of Sinister taking out X-Man telepathically. Then the Blinded by the Light arc came out and referred to Sinister as a telepath. I wonder what that user will say now. Haven't gone back to that thread till today.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No problem. X and I collected a bunch of scans a while back. And I remember we posted them in the Sinister vs. Juggernaut thread. In that very thread a user was saying Sinister did not have telepathy even after seeing evidence from Inferno and scans of Sinister taking out X-Man telepathically. Then the Blinded by the Light arc came out and referred to Sinister as a telepath. I wonder what that user will say now. Haven't gone back to that thread till today.

On top of that, Juggernaut can be stopped by sonics.

Nimrod did that to him in Uncanny X-men 194

Originally posted by janus77
oh the irony!

1) it's comics, don't breakout the personal insults until I've either coveted your Ox or Ass.

2) the sarcasm was laid on thick and strong, I figured it didn't require <sarcasm /> tags .

3) check how many people come up with the "Juggernaut cannot be hurt by physical force" argument... it's worse than 2DamnLoud's belief in the transcendence of an albino-haired over-extended weather girl. Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How could you miss the sarcasm.

Its was quite obvious this thread and his comments were in retaliation to people who stubbornly insist Jugg is beyond all physical harm. Well gee sorry, I don't live on here now do I?

I only skimmed through the thread...some of janus' arguments sounded like he really believed what he was saying...it's refreshing to know he doesn't.

morning bruce

got ur pm

team one ftw

Agreed

Spite one thread. Either party on Team one solos

Galactus statlemated Agamotto and Shuma-Gorath on they're own realm.

I think it's pretty clear that he'll stomp these two.

team 1 ftw

eminem and nas ftw