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Who is the last man standing...no alliances!


Odin
Darkseid
Ares(dc)
Zeus(dc)
Cronus(dc)

Ares beats all Dc gods and Darkseid.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Ares beats all Dc gods and Darkseid. You think Ares could beat Odin?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Ares beats all Dc gods and Darkseid.

Ares solos

Odin

Didn't Ares (while he was in possession of the godwave) lose to Darkseid already?

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't Ares (while he was in possession of the godwave) lose to Darkseid already?
Did this really happen? Anyone got scans?

As to the thread : Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did this really happen? Anyone got scans?

As to the thread : Odin.
Darkseid froze Ares with the godwave.

Here Darkseid captures Ares, the God of War who actually currently possessed the God Wave. Very impressive

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg03-1.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg04.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg05.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg14.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg15.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg17.jpg

And people think he is not a skyfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid froze Ares with the godwave.

Here Darkseid captures Ares, the God of War who actually currently possessed the God Wave. Very impressive

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg03-1.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg04.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg05.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg14.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg15.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg17.jpg

And people think he is not a skyfather.



Hmm.....

Just hmmm?

Originally posted by zopzop
Hmm.....

Seems like a device was used to accomplish this.

For a second I thought this was going to be Marvel Ares.....

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wasn't Cronus impressive?

Cronus oneshot killed King Angel of heaven, so he was impressive indeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid froze Ares with the godwave.

Here Darkseid captures Ares, the God of War who actually currently possessed the God Wave. Very impressive

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg03-1.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg04.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis3pg05.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg14.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg15.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg17.jpg

In that Genesis arc, Darkseid had a platform which taps into the power of the Godwave or something akin to that. So he probably used it to freeze Ares (and literally required all sentient beings in all creation to ultimately defeat Ares). Well, that, or y'know, Darkseid froze a power which is quite literally the multiversal big bang in reverse, without breaking a sweat (seems legit). At least that's what the Source was considered in that arc and confirmed by the editors later in Takion's 7-issue solo; this is important since the Source's status is somewhat inconsistent (personally, i think the best definition for is that it's the energy that binds everything in the universe/multiverse, that's at least consistent with what was said pre and post crisis)

Besides, the Wonder Woman arc called Godwar established that no one really can control the power of the Godwave, even Cronus (who unlike Ares, actually has potential universal power, since he conquered all creaiton under his own power).

And apart from that, having the "Godwave" doesn't mean much when every pantheon possesses a portion of it. In Wonder Woman v2 #152, the greek pantheon grants Diana "The Godwave":

http://i.imgur.com/60kfyWN.jpg

...She never did anything impressive. Point is, there's no telling how much of the godwave Ares possessed, there's indication that he possessed a great amount of it, but no confirmation he had it in full.


Originally posted by abhilegend

And people think he is not a skyfather.


Depends on what you mean by "skyfather". I wouldn't put neither Darkseid nor Highfather on Odin's level, but they certainly have better feats than a skyfather like Zeus (Highfather's feats are the best in the pre-crisis era though, which are still canon since Kirby's pre-crisis trilogy was referenced a dozen times in post-crisis stories).

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Wasn't Cronus impressive?

He has universal-level of implied power. He handled the trimurti just fine, who are the supreme deities of the hindu pantheon. But most importantly we have an encyclopedia saying that he became the lord of "all creation" and saying that he possesses nigh-omnipotent power:

http://i.imgur.com/7CZODM1.jpg?1

There's a Wonder Woman: Secret Origins issue which tells the whole Greek myth story of Cronus being born of Uranus whom he murdered, and eventually gets defeated by his three sons who also had help, and it says that his rule interwove "all creation" as well:

http://i.imgur.com/Vs9UtSx.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who is the last man standing...no alliances!


Odin
Darkseid
Ares(dc)
Zeus(dc)
Cronus(dc)

Last man standing Darkseid, but before that everyone shows what they got by beatint the best trans level punching bag ever, Thanos, like a step child.

Originally posted by operator616
In that Genesis arc, Darkseid had a platform which taps into the power of the Godwave or something akin to that. So he probably used it to freeze Ares (and literally required all sentient beings in all creation to ultimately defeat Ares). Well, that, or y'know, Darkseid froze a power which is quite literally the multiversal big bang in reverse, without breaking a sweat (seems legit). At least that's what the Source was considered in that arc and confirmed by the editors later in Takion's 7-issue solo; this is important since the Source's status is somewhat inconsistent (personally, i think the best definition for is that it's the energy that binds everything in the universe/multiverse, that's at least consistent with what was said pre and post crisis)

Besides, the Wonder Woman arc called Godwar established that no one really can control the power of the Godwave, even Cronus (who unlike Ares, actually has potential universal power, since he conquered all creaiton under his own power).

And apart from that, having the "Godwave" doesn't mean much when every pantheon possesses a portion of it. In Wonder Woman v2 #152, the greek pantheon grants Diana "The Godwave":

http://i.imgur.com/60kfyWN.jpg

...She never did anything impressive. Point is, there's no telling how much of the godwave Ares possessed, there's indication that he possessed a great amount of it, but no confirmation he had it in full.




Depends on what you mean by "skyfather". I wouldn't put neither Darkseid nor Highfather on Odin's level, but they certainly have better feats than a skyfather like Zeus (Highfather's feats are the best in the pre-crisis era though, which are still canon since Kirby's pre-crisis trilogy was referenced a dozen times in post-crisis stories).
It was stated that Godwave Ares possessed was the first Godwave which created all the pantheons and it was actually amplifying in power.

And no need to be snarky operator, I'm just telling what I actually read in the comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was stated that Godwave Ares possessed was the first Godwave which created all the pantheons and it was actually amplifying in power.

And no need to be snarky operator, I'm just telling what I actually read in the comic.

Darkseid said that Ares awaits elevation:

http://i.imgur.com/wa6nMK5.jpg?2

Meaning he still isn't at full power. But yeah, i already did admit (or at least implied) that Ares' was the greater portion, obviously.


Okay? You're telling me what you read in the comic, that's fine, and im telling you what i read from it. So:

what tells you that Darkseid didn't use that platform of his, which is designed to tap into the power of the source (Godwave), instead of his personal power? Especially given that he didn't break a sweat while doing so? On top of that, The Source in that arc was portrayed as being an ultimate power. It was multiversal and the Spectre tie-in even indicated it's the same thing as "God". So i doubt that Darkseid could affect something like that. It's also established in that same arc, that Darkseid's power is only a fraction of it.

Not to mention that it's very hard, if not impossible, to control it, so that also should be taken into account.

Darkseid should win this fight (though it won't be very easy). He's already punked all of the DC gods at one point or another.

And operator, Godwave actually destroyed and remade all of creation in that arc.

http://i.imgur.com/ShkuBIs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/emghb3v.jpg

Not to mention after Ares' absorbed the godwave, Darkseid himself was powering the platform.

http://i.imgur.com/8IeG8by.jpg

Most of our power. It was created to tap into the power of Godwave but that wasn't available at that moment.

Makes sense since Ares had actually absorbed the entirety of Godwave.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Most of our power. It was created to tap into the power of Godwave but that wasn't available at that moment.


Even better. Now you're implying that Desaad is somehow, for reasons i can't possibly fathom, comparable to the Godwave even in the most tiniest way. Because going by your interpretation, that's what it implies.

But anyway, read your own scan, it says that their power is maintaining the platform's stability. Why? because it was damaged, flip a few pages back and you'll see it for yourself:

http://i.imgur.com/vlIJNoN.jpg

That's hardly what id call Darkseid/Desaad empowering the platform, which in turn, froze Ares.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Makes sense since Ares had actually absorbed the entirety of Godwave.

Yup. Makes sense. Remember when Batman beat Desaad, after enduring huge amounts of torture no less, in JLA: Rock of Ages? Yeah, Batman > Desaad > Godwave/ultimate power in the multiverse. Now it finally makes sense

Originally posted by operator616
Even better. Now you're implying that Desaad is somehow, for reasons i can't possibly fathom, comparable to the Godwave even in the most tiniest way. Because going by your interpretation, that's what it implies.

But anyway, read your own scan, it says that their power is maintaining the platform's stability. Why? because it was damaged, flip a few pages back and you'll see it for yourself:

http://i.imgur.com/vlIJNoN.jpg

That's hardly what id call Darkseid/Desaad empowering the platform, which in turn, froze Ares.



Yup. Makes sense. Remember when Batman beat Desaad, after enduring huge amounts of torture no less, in JLA: Rock of Ages? Yeah, Batman > Desaad > Godwave/ultimate power in the multiverse. Now it finally makes sense
I knew that the platform was damaged. The godwave wasn't available for the platform though and that's undisputable.

Like I said, no need to be snarky. I just posted what I see in the comic. As for using "our power" as somehow Desaad's power with Darkseid?

http://i.imgur.com/b2maiJl.jpg

"Darkseid has captured his prey."

http://i.imgur.com/ThOapMZ.jpg

"The victory belong to me."

So I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Desaad's power was used in that task.

srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
I knew that the platform was damaged. The godwave wasn't available for the platform though and that's undisputable.


"Godwave available on the platorm"...?

Anyway, i have a question for you: So you actually genuinly believe that Darkseid, without breaking a sweat, froze Ares in possession of the Godwave?


Originally posted by abhilegend

Like I said, no need to be snarky. I just posted what I see in the comic. As for using "our power" as somehow Desaad's power with Darkseid?

"Darkseid has captured his prey."

"The victory belong to me."

So I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Desaad's power was used in that task.

srug

Im not sure what's your point here. At all. Yes, Darkseid orchestrated this event and all the others who are helping him are his puppets according to him. Darkseid always thinks himself superior to all beings, that's why he says that victory belongs to him and not any other. He also acts very arrogantly in front of someone like Kalibak. I remember a scene from New Gods v3, when Darkseid said that there are primal forces above him, yet when Kalibak actually asked him what are those forces Darkseid's reply was literally something like "you heard wrong, i never said such a thing, and im the ultimate power in existence" (no kidding). That's not exactly something new with Darkseid to act in such a way. You should, and probably do, know that.

And just because he thinks himself superior to everyone doesn't mean he actually is, similaraly to how he actually thought that he predated all the other gods, while in fact he was mind-raped by Hecate into thinking so, as revealed in Wonder Woman v2 #19.

Anyway, imo, Darkseid used his power to stabilize the platform, which froze Ares.

That said, we'll have to just agree to disagree and move on.

Ok, lets agree to disagree.

Anyway what do you think about Godwave destroying and recreating whole creation in an instant?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway what do you think about Godwave destroying and recreating whole creation in an instant?

That's how it should be depicted and it's pretty cool. The same thing happened when the Old Gods' world (who are actually the asgardians, and the ancestors of the new gods) exploded. So it wouldn't be the first time.

Besides, remember what happened in the Spectre tie in? Spectre literally containing all the universes inside him while he possessed the power of the source. That's also badass.

But most importantly: That's exactly the reason why Darkseid couldn't have frozen Ares

Originally posted by operator616
That's how it should be depicted and it's pretty cool. The same thing happened when the Old Gods' world (who are actually the asgardians, and the ancestors of the new gods) exploded. So it wouldn't be the first time.

Besides, remember what happened in the Spectre tie in? Spectre literally containing all the universes inside him while he possessed the power of the source. That's also badass.

But most importantly: That's exactly the reason why Darkseid couldn't have frozen Ares

Where does cronus rank in the sky father hiearchy? Above or below odin?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Where does cronus rank in the sky father hiearchy? Above or below odin?

He's got a lot of implied power. Going by implied power, he is supposed to be universal, but he lacks actual showings. That's why if i had to go in terms of feats, id pick Marvel's Odin.

As for his standing in DC's skyfather hierarchy. He's on par with the other titans but above the Olympian gods since they already defeated them (and Cronus defeated Zeus personally) in New Teen Titans v1 #12:

http://i.imgur.com/qeG8ddk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qxWJoCS.jpg

So we know that Cronus' standing in DC is above skyfathers such as Zeus. If you take into account that he ruled all creation, though, then he'd be much more since Olympus is only a part of the whole universe which Zeus rules (it's pocket dimension).

It's up to each one to determine if he buys into implied power.