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Iron Man vs Silver Surfer. Iron Man gets 1 weeks prep and a motherbox can he win?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Iron Man vs Silver Surfer. Iron Man gets 1 weeks prep and a motherbox can he win?

Of course Iron Man can win, with this stipulation he'll take the majority actually.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Of course Iron Man can win, with this stipulation he'll take the majority actually.

I was thinking of giving him no prep.

I don't know if he could win without prep and only a Motherbox considering Iron Man is no where near Silver Surfer level I'm not for sure if the Motherbox would boost him enough to give him a win but I'm not that knowledgeable on the capabilities of the Mothebox.But it would have to enhance him a great deal to close the gap in power.

Originally posted by Alucard25
I don't know if he could win without prep and only a Motherbox considering Iron Man is no where near Silver Surfer level I'm not for sure if the Motherbox would boost him enough to give him a win but I'm not that knowledgeable on the capabilities of the Mothebox.But it would have to enhance him a great deal to close the gap in power.

Well when Superman foguht Doomsday H/P it gave him a HF, energy sword and a sonic gun....I knew I should have given him an hour.....hell he could still lose with a weeks prep.

Doesn't Silver Surfer have Cosmic Awarness would that warn him of Iron Man's plot

Originally posted by golem370
Doesn't Silver Surfer have Cosmic Awarness would that warn him of Iron Man's plot

Well even if he has, not in this thread.

If Black Panther can beat Surfer due to surfer having some sort of humaniod weakness with his arm's structure regular extremis ironman without prep is overkill.

Originally posted by Decimus
If Black Panther can beat Surfer due to surfer having some sort of humaniod weakness with his arm's structure regular extremis ironman without prep is overkill.

Geeeeezzzzz, could you please keep arguments like that out of this thread! :

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Geeeeezzzzz, could you please keep arguments like that out of this thread! :


No your right my bad- anyway a week's prep is enough for Ironman to win.

can't Surfer just separate IM from the motherbox?
or blast him into oblivion, or rush him and haul him into the sun?

dunno what IM can do with prep, I can't see him being as good as Doom (ie stealing Surfer's powers).

Cant silver surfer just blow up the planet?

Originally posted by janus77
can't Surfer just separate IM from the motherbox?
or blast him into oblivion, or rush him and haul him into the sun?

The motherbox is like a sentient computer, when you get attacked it can adapt. It can give you weapons and even upgrade what stats you have, but we do have to guess exactly what these upgrades might be.

Originally posted by janus77

dunno what IM can do with prep, I can't see him being as good as Doom (ie stealing Surfer's powers).

Dont see why not, current IM seems to be even more lethal than before. That Extremis armour is the most advanced yet and ive seen him with tech hes never had before, also he has the motehrbox to help him.

Originally posted by Decimus
If Black Panther can beat Surfer due to surfer having some sort of humaniod weakness with his arm's structure regular extremis ironman without prep is overkill. Answer: McDuffie = Spray Cheese.

Right, so Surfer takes this. I don't think Iron Man has any technology currently that can deal with the Power Cosmic. He did try to drain Surfer's power, IIRC, but the Surfer is much more powerful now. I don't think the motherbox and week will be enough, unless he raids Dr. Doom's store of techno-magic devices.

Given enough prep, Tony could take this, but I don't see a week as being enough for him to study the Surfer's current level of PC.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Answer: McDuffie = Spray Cheese.

Right, so Surfer takes this. I don't think Iron Man has any technology currently that can deal with the Power Cosmic. He did try to drain Surfer's power, IIRC, but the Surfer is much more powerful now. I don't think the motherbox and week will be enough, unless he raids Dr. Doom's store of techno-magic devices.

Well Iron Man does actually have some techomagic devices already.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Iron Man does actually have some techomagic devices already. Really? Does he actually have devices that incorporate magic? I know he's got the "super-science" tech down, but literal, magical devices?

Not attacking. Just curious.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Really? Does he actually have devices that incorporate magic? I know he's got the "super-science" tech down, but literal, magical devices?

Not attacking. Just curious.

Well as far as I know he has an Iron Man suit that actually utilizes magical energy which he used to fight Thor...he lost. His current Iron Man suit is capable of detecting astral forms. I can see him using one of those suits with the motherbox.

Obvoulsy this does not automatically give him the win, but Tony has some serious ****, hes not as good as Doom but to be quite frank I dont think hes that far off.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Answer: McDuffie = Spray Cheese.

Right, so Surfer takes this. I don't think Iron Man has any technology currently that can deal with the Power Cosmic. He did try to drain Surfer's power, IIRC, but the Surfer is much more powerful now. I don't think the motherbox and week will be enough, unless he raids Dr. Doom's store of techno-magic devices.

Given enough prep, Tony could take this, but I don't see a week as being enough for him to study the Surfer's current level of PC.

Incorrect. Surfer has no demonstratible powerup. What Galactus did was remove a mental block.

And comparing Doom's tech to a motherbox is a joke. Nothing Doom has compares to that thing. Sentient, self-evolving, capability enhancing telepathic technology with a direct link to god? Ha!


It's clear that nobody in this thread understands the godsend that Tony has gotten in the motherbox. If the MB is actively helping him and he uses it well, yes, he can take 10/10 from Surfer. If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Incorrect. Surfer has no demonstratible powerup. What Galactus did was remove a mental block.

And comparing Doom's tech to a motherbox is a joke. Nothing Doom has compares to that thing. Sentient, self-evolving, capability enhancing telepathic technology with a direct link to god? Ha!


It's clear that nobody in this thread understands the godsend that Tony has gotten in the motherbox. If the MB is actively helping him and he uses it well, yes, he can take 10/10 from Surfer. If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.

Well Superman did use the motherbox against Doomsday and he still lost......I think I know what you're gonna say....

With this Iron Man should win. I will also note that Iron Man has stalemated Silver Surfer twice before by absorbing Silver Surfer's power cosmic and powering up his armor.

Galactus said he was upgrading Surfer and prior to that Surfer did upgrade himself with the blackbody he absorbed in prepping for his fight with UniLord. he also absorbed all of UniLord's souls but I think he released them, not sure.


anyway, yes... if the Motherbox is that good then it might give Tony the edge, but it sounds just like a GL ring... I want to know more about its limitations (of which there are some, I'm sure).


IM's tech is great but he's not got the sort of all humbling win-loss record with it, when confronting major powers, to put him in the prep-threat category of someone like Doom. Doom's tech-prep almost always results in a victory for Doom. IM's usually results in a few chuckles for the reader (Hulkbuster, Thor-buster, the armour he fought Storm in... not that Storm belongs in the same class of threat).

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus said he was upgrading Surfer and prior to that Surfer did upgrade himself with the blackbody he absorbed in prepping for his fight with UniLord. he also absorbed all of UniLord's souls but I think he released them, not sure.


anyway, yes... if the Motherbox is that good then it might give Tony the edge, but it sounds just like a GL ring... I want to know more about its limitations (of which there are some, I'm sure).


IM's tech is great but he's not got the sort of all humbling win-loss record with it, when confronting major powers, to put him in the prep-threat category of someone like Doom. Doom's tech-prep almost always results in a victory for Doom. IM's usually results in a few chuckles for the reader (Hulkbuster, Thor-buster, the armour he fought Storm in... not that Storm belongs in the same class of threat).

Well heres what a motherbox did for Superman in combat against Doomsday

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/8-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/14-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/15-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

It heals his wounds gives him an energy sword and a sonic gun. Basically though it has its limitations because he still lost. I dont think we can assume that IM wins 10/10 when we saw what happened in this fight....however IM's teach + motherbox and 1 week I think should give a good fight.

Heres some other stuff.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/thorarmor.html

IMs Asgardian arlour but im not sure if he has it anymore.

A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg

hmm, think the prep time might be more of a factor than the motherbox. as it doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, auto-healing is nice but not when the opponent can kill you in one-shot... nothing to heal from.


but with prep, IM might get Surfer in some kind of field that neutralizes a lot of Surfer's powers ... dunno.

Originally posted by janus77
hmm, think the prep time might be more of a factor than the motherbox. as it doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, auto-healing is nice but not when the opponent can kill you in one-shot... nothing to heal from.

Well yeah Superman still has to do some work.....dont forget the motherbox also gave him the sonic gun and energy sword, the problem was that Doomsday was more adaptable.

Originally posted by janus77

but with prep, IM might get Surfer in some kind of field that neutralizes a lot of Surfer's powers ... dunno.

Well at any rate IM already has tech that can anaylze and adapt to SS to an extent, with a weeks prep he can upgrade the motherbox and make it more adaptable. Having the motherbox does not help IM in anyway especially if he mkes it more effective ie in the case of DD IM can make it gave him added durability and HF.

rofl, I thought the energy sword was a nice touch. which idiot came up with that? "yeah so, this guy's like so strong that Superman can't even let him grab him once or else it's over... so the motherbox'll have to give him some offensive tools to help like ... a sword "

might as well have come up with a pair of tweasers to force DD to submit, once superman's got DD's nasal hair in their grip (that shit hurts man!).


I think Surfer could just as easily adapt around any siphoning or draining or wavelength harmonising tactics, he does afterall, posses fantastic levels of matter and energy manip abilities.

it's the baiting and trapping, I'm thinking of. IM could definitely lure Surfer into something or other. unless Surfer decides to blow up the world just as a precaution...

Originally posted by janus77
rofl, I thought the energy sword was a nice touch. which idiot came up with that? "yeah so, this guy's like so strong that Superman can't even let him grab him once or else it's over... so the motherbox'll have to give him some offensive tools to help like ... a sword "

might as well have come up with a pair of tweasers to force DD to submit, once superman's got DD's nasal hair in their grip (that shit hurts man!).

Huh it wasnt actually a bad idea, its just that DD had a strong HF, the sonic gun was working as well but DD adapted to that as well, if it were more adaptable it could have worked...damn.

Hell the motherbox was a long ranged attack and thats what was initially used....I mean c'mon man I think you're downplaying it a bit here.

Originally posted by janus77

I think Surfer could just as easily adapt around any siphoning or draining or wavelength harmonising tactics, he does afterall, posses fantastic levels of matter and energy manip abilities.

Yes he could but if you add the motherbox to IMs tech when SS adapts to get out of one thing the motherbox can then use another attack. You see where im coming from, the motherbox adapts to the opponent but it just needs to be made more efficient.

Originally posted by janus77

it's the baiting and trapping, I'm thinking of. IM could definitely lure Surfer into something or other. unless Surfer decides to blow up the world just as a precaution...

Well yeah theres that as well...........

was maybe overplaying the humour of the sword thing. seriously though, I can't see that as being a good demonstration of the motherbox's battle tactics .

big overpowering brick = don't get up close


as for the more efficient motherbox idea, definitely a potential threat, at the very least it'll amp some of IM's attacks... though if Surfer suspects IM's amped, Surfer would definitely stop pulling his punches/blasts... it'd be a more interesting fight, than without the motherbox, obviously.


the planet blowing thing would be out of character, if the planet in question was inhabited... so I guess that's out of the question.

Originally posted by janus77
was maybe overplaying the humour of the sword thing. seriously though, I can't see that as being a good demonstration of the motherbox's battle tactics .

big overpowering brick = don't get up close

Ok but why do you think it gave him the sonic gun? Dont forget as well that the HF was useful as well, ok it would have been better if it gave him armour but at least it kept him in the fight.

Originally posted by janus77

as for the more efficient motherbox idea, definitely a potential threat, at the very least it'll amp some of IM's attacks... though if Surfer suspects IM's amped, Surfer would definitely stop pulling his punches/blasts... it'd be a more interesting fight, than without the motherbox, obviously.

Most defintely, from my understanding the mb is your friend and is supposed to adapt to help you in situations. I envisage a situation were IM incorporate the mb into his armour makes the mb familar to the SS's powers and attacks. Im sure that IM probably has some data on SS and the possible use and applications of his powers, one incorporated into his armour IM may not even have to think he could let the MB do alot of the work.


Originally posted by janus77

the planet blowing thing would be out of character, if the planet in question was inhabited... so I guess that's out of the question.

Anyway I envisage IM using a battle armour combined with the mb.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres what a motherbox did for Superman in combat against Doomsday

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/8-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/14-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/15-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

It heals his wounds gives him an energy sword and a sonic gun. Basically though it has its limitations because he still lost. I dont think we can assume that IM wins 10/10 when we saw what happened in this fight....however IM's teach + motherbox and 1 week I think should give a good fight.

Heres some other stuff.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/thorarmor.html

IMs Asgardian arlour but im not sure if he has it anymore.

A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg

I agree with this. With the stipulations in this thread...IM can beat SS.

Interesting thing...the more I see of certain things...the more I think that Mags at full potential may give SS some trouble... (as long as SS doesnt do something like destroy the planet they are on asap.)

Um.......losing to H/P DD isn't a knock against the motherbox. Surfer would get raped against him too. Even a Darkseid avatar got killed by H/P DD.

lol,
Surfer would toy with DD. just rewrite the dna or pull him apart at the subatomic level.

also, since DD can obviously be hurt physically, Surfer should be able to trap him in a powerful wormhole squish him with it.

Originally posted by janus77
lol,
Surfer would toy with DD. just rewrite the dna or pull him apart at the subatomic level.

also, since DD can obviously be hurt physically, Surfer should be able to trap him in a powerful wormhole squish him with it.

stfugtfo

anger management?
you're not a teen are you?

Originally posted by Evangel94
With this Iron Man should win. I will also note that Iron Man has stalemated Silver Surfer twice before by absorbing Silver Surfer's power cosmic and powering up his armor.

Indeed.

I like to add to that by saying that Iron Man did that by just doing some quick modifications to his armor on the fly whereas Doom needed a separate massive device.

Originally posted by janus77
anger management?
you're not a teen are you? Leave the kid alone . Hunter Prey Doomsday would beat Surfer in my opinion he was pretty powerful by all standards he evolved whenever he needed too.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Incorrect. Surfer has no demonstratible powerup. What Galactus did was remove a mental block.

And comparing Doom's tech to a motherbox is a joke. Nothing Doom has compares to that thing. Sentient, self-evolving, capability enhancing telepathic technology with a direct link to god? Ha!


It's clear that nobody in this thread understands the godsend that Tony has gotten in the motherbox. If the MB is actively helping him and he uses it well, yes, he can take 10/10 from Surfer. If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.
I've yet to see a feat from a Motherbox that blows the feats of Doom's tech out of the water .

I'm not saying the feats don't exist, but I've never seen one personally...

The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.
I'm not saying that a Motherbox isn't an impressive piece of tech, I just don't think a single one is more impressive/useful than all of the tech Doom has at his disposal. Nor have I seen anything from one that trumps the feats of the Surfer's Power Cosmic.

I'm not saying that Surfer wins this mind you because it would be totally "In character" for Tony to reequip all of his old armors(plus a bunch of new ones) with Motherboxes and just dogpile the shit out of Surfer, but just having a Motherbox wouldn't automatically give Tony a win over Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.
excuse me but what part of "overpowering brick = stay out of range" didn't motherbox understand? or did DD evolve to being that strong on the fly during the fight?

clearly it's not infallible nor all-powerful, unlike you and trickster are making out. it gets tiring hearing OTT hype about some device or other, only to see the 'reality' is all too predictably underwhelming.

why didn't it create a dimensional conduit to suck DD off into some barren part of space? Surfer could do that with the power cosmic.
why didn't it even attempt to change up the range weapons?

I'm not sure how much more of a threat the motherbox makes Tony, over the prep-time alone.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg So... IM can use that technique on Surfer?

So... as soon as the fight starts, IM will appear behind Surfer, and just zap his energy?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Leave the kid alone . Hunter Prey Doomsday would beat Surfer in my opinion he was pretty powerful by all standards he evolved whenever he needed too.
I don't get how a creature wholly based upon dna evolution, would not be vulnerable to dna manipulation.

it's not as if his matter cannot be displaced and distorted altered... Superman sticking a sword into him is proof of all that.


Surfer would quite likely re-write the dna, and if there was some impediment to the re-write, he would pull apart the molecules that go to make up the individual strands of dna... evolution, as far as I'm aware, is the transmission of information through dna, no evolution without the information - and Surfer can re-write dna easily. and on colossal scales (planet-wide and instantaneous).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.
Since the day The Hulk left earth, Ironman was preparing for his return making a new Hulk Buster suit and still got his ass kicked
Surfer ftw.

Originally posted by Priest
Since the day The Hulk left earth, Ironman was preparing for his return making a new Hulk Buster suit and still got his ass kicked
Surfer ftw.

That was World War Hulk. Even Batman prepping for a year would have lost if Pak was writing it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That was World War Hulk. Even Batman prepping for a year would have lost if Pak was writing it.
Technolgy can only go so far against the real deal imo, remember what Thor did to the Thor buster armor?

Originally posted by Priest
Technolgy can only go so far against the real deal imo, remember what Thor did to the Thor buster armor?

I actually agree with this point. But New Gods tech is so far beyond anything in marvel (with only celestial tech coming anywhere near it), and coupled with the fact that it draws power from, and is directly connected to the source, and as someone put it, "In that sense, they can be seen as a computer that links man to God."

New Gods tech crosses the line from mere technology, into divine and demonic artisanship.

Originally posted by Priest
Technolgy can only go so far against the real deal imo, remember what Thor did to the Thor buster armor? What about Galactus's shit?
UN, his tech was gooder enough to absorb Beyonder's power, etc.

And so that is relevant... Tony is the greatest tech master in Marvel... he would smoke Galactus in a tech war. sly

Originally posted by janus77
excuse me but what part of "overpowering brick = stay out of range" didn't motherbox understand? or did DD evolve to being that strong on the fly during the fight?

clearly it's not infallible nor all-powerful, unlike you and trickster are making out. it gets tiring hearing OTT hype about some device or other, only to see the 'reality' is all too predictably underwhelming.

why didn't it create a dimensional conduit to suck DD off into some barren part of space? Surfer could do that with the power cosmic.
why didn't it even attempt to change up the range weapons?

I'm not sure how much more of a threat the motherbox makes Tony, over the prep-time alone.

The limit to the motherbox is that it only sees the present weakness and not a future one. DD would have been destroyed by those sonics if he didn't evolve past it. He would have also been cut to pieces by the sword the motherbox made if he didn't evolve. So the motherbox was successful against DD. Its just that DD evolved to get rid of those weaknesses.

What would happen if Tony used something that the motherbox created against SS? SS would be dead instantly for he can't evolve past the attack.

Do you think SS can beat someone in the Aegis Armor? If so then its time to ignore everything you say. The motherbox could easily upgrade Tony's suit to an Aegis Armor or better. SS has absolutely no chance if Tony has both the motherbox and prep.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't get how a creature wholly based upon dna evolution, would not be vulnerable to dna manipulation.

it's not as if his matter cannot be displaced and distorted altered... Superman sticking a sword into him is proof of all that.


Surfer would quite likely re-write the dna, and if there was some impediment to the re-write, he would pull apart the molecules that go to make up the individual strands of dna... evolution, as far as I'm aware, is the transmission of information through dna, no evolution without the information - and Surfer can re-write dna easily. and on colossal scales (planet-wide and instantaneous).

The OE>>>>anything SS can do.
Its matter manipulation power is leagues above SS.
Yet it didn't do jack to DD but make him mad. So SS ain't putting a scratch on DD. Why can't SS dna manipulate Thanos, Thor, etc? Surely they have dna.

Originally posted by h1a8
The limit to the motherbox is that it only sees the present weakness and not a future one. DD would have been destroyed by those sonics if he didn't evolve past it. He would have also been cut to pieces by the sword the motherbox made if he didn't evolve. So the motherbox was successful against DD. Its just that DD evolved to get rid of those weaknesses.

What would happen if Tony used something that the motherbox created against SS? SS would be dead instantly for he can't evolve past the attack.

Do you think SS can beat someone in the Aegis Armor? If so then its time to ignore everything you say. The motherbox could easily upgrade Tony's suit to an Aegis Armor or better. SS has absolutely no chance if Tony has both the motherbox and prep.

Entropy Aegis? No, I wouldn't go that far.

And they tried BFRing DD twice during that fight. Didn't work. Waverider got desintegrated when he tried it, and Supes got slapped down for his troubles. They only beat him by dumping him into Entropy.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

My god so you mean all the 100s of scans shown to you with SS using different techniques in combat went over your head?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that a Motherbox isn't an impressive piece of tech, I just don't think a single one is more impressive/useful than all of the tech Doom has at his disposal. Nor have I seen anything from one that trumps the feats of the Surfer's Power Cosmic.

I'm not saying that Surfer wins this mind you because it would be totally "In character" for Tony to reequip all of his old armors(plus a bunch of new ones) with Motherboxes and just dogpile the shit out of Surfer, but just having a Motherbox wouldn't automatically give Tony a win over Surfer.

Exactly. Its useful but not infallable.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... IM can use that technique on Surfer?

So... as soon as the fight starts, IM will appear behind Surfer, and just zap his energy?

No that was not the point I was trying to make I was simply making the point that IM already has tech that can analyze SS's powers.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OE>>>>anything SS can do.
Its matter manipulation power is leagues above SS.
Yet it didn't do jack to DD but make him mad. So SS ain't putting a scratch on DD. Why can't SS dna manipulate Thanos, Thor, etc? Surely they have dna.

Actually those guys you mentioned have got total can control over their molecular structure and can probably do the same thing ( especially thanos). In addition I dont think the OE matter manipulation is actually in the same vein as ss manipulation. Does the OE operate on the submolecular level? I always thought it was an attack that erased people from the source i.e disintegration. IF so then that actually is not matter manipulation in the same style as silver surfer

I think this is a close fight.....i will go with tony/mother box/prep for the win

Originally posted by starlock
I think this is a close fight.....i will go with tony/mother box/prep for the win

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Fair enough.

Very good thread

Originally posted by starlock
Very good thread

Cheers.

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SS wins

Originally posted by ultimatethor
SS wins

Ok fair enough, more details please.

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Hmm I think tony is a smart guy and enough resources to know the capabilities of silver surfer and many of his powers and will be able to reproduce his powers and have the mother box develop something for him for each ability of the silver surfer. IM suit records like eveything or something right? Anyway that doesn't matter. I think a week is enough for tony to work with the mother box and develop a good defense and offense for the SS. I feel Tony would only lose if he underestimates SS's full power.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Actually those guys you mentioned have got total can control over their molecular structure and can probably do the same thing ( especially thanos). In addition I dont think the OE matter manipulation is actually in the same vein as ss manipulation. Does the OE operate on the submolecular level? I always thought it was an attack that erased people from the source i.e disintegration. IF so then that actually is not matter manipulation in the same style as silver surfer

It's a omni-dimensional attack. it can erase, teleport, matter manip, depower, etc.