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Here is a very interesting video of "camps" that are being built around the United States of America.

I recommend that for those who wish to respond to my question, that those people click on the following link and watch this video before giving an answer. That way they will better understand the question.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=215

My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?

I am most interested to see what anybodies theories are.

it is something the US government were heavily criticized for in the aftermath of hurricaine katrina was not doing enough in order to help those out of harms way who had no way of getting out themselves

i dont think camps are necessarily the right answer though...there would be adequete enough shelter available in community halls/churches etc outwish disaster areas that would be more cost effective

the likening to nazi concentration camps is just plain insulting to the people who actually went through the holocaust...both the dead and the survivors...it belittles the extent of the horror

of course it's exactly the kind of scaremongering you would expect from Jones

Bill Clinton's answer to a question about the FEMA CAMPS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ05vt7iURE&feature=related

FEMA 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4zr0_9P-gz8

FEMA 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e3rl1FbDT2o&feature=related

since when have home made youtube propaganda videos been a valid source of information?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Bill Clinton's answer to a question about the FEMA CAMPS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ05vt7iURE&feature=related

Bill Clinton is a pathalogical liar- I did not have sex with that woman.The building of these concentration camps started under his administration and has accelerated even more so under His buddy Bush and the Bush administration.Those videos say it all.Not at all surprising how Reagan totally changed what FEMA was intitially intended for under Carter.Its another government agency like the CIA which probably needs to be abolished like the CIA DEFENITELY does.Its become an agency that like the CIA that doesnt do the job which its purpose was intended.The CIA as people like winter and myself know,was intitally created to gather intelligence on foreign agencys and report that intelligence directly to the president but then it became an out of control angency with renegade rogue agents who started covert wars which congress doesnt authorize.they commit acts against the law all the time.FEMA it looks does the same thing,they didnt do anything to help those victems in hurricane katrina.

Its obviously a bad thing since it all started under those evil tyrants of the Clinton administration and Bush accelerating it even more so.

Damn straight Parker. Fema failed during Hurricane Katrina. And it looked to me like they did it on purpose. Almost as if to test their martial law strategy.

Here is video of an "internment camp" in Texas:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8&feature=related

The privatized Hutto "jail", which is also administered by Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), contains more than just people who came over the boarder illegally. In fact, here is an article about palestinian refugees and CHILDREN being held in that camp:

http://www.counterpunch.org/moses12192006.html

In fact, Most of them are families including pregnant women and children who have never been accused of any wrongdoing but are forced to endure squalid conditions inside literal concentration camps.

Allied to the burgeoning growth of the prison industry and future plans to detain American citizens on masse, new plans have revived the potential scope of the camp, and a new contract to intern 600 individuals was finalized with immigration authorities in December 2005.

The facility is euphemistically called a "Residential Center," yet charges of overcrowding and poor conditions are rife, with an estimated 645 people filling a facility that has only 512 beds, as this article from the Texas Civil Rights Review clearly states -

http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=708

Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions. Plain and simple. Suspicions will undoubtedly be cast as to whether the facility in Tyler is part of a wider agenda to set up a network of internment camps that will be used to forcibly detain American citizens under emergency provisions. And I think all Americans should be concerned when these camps are popping up everywhere.

People, please. The government can eventually use them for whatever they want to. How many need to be built before we all stop them?

Here's another video of a protest at the "internment camp" in Texas.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mntQogvuRI8&feature=related

Here is a video that shows Oliver North being questioned about the "continuity of government" that could end up placing millions of Americans in FEMA concentration camps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez (RIP), admitted that there are actual plans to detain American citizens in the case of what the government would consider to be "terrorism".

Congressman Henry Gonzales (D,Tx) stated,

"the truth is yes...the plans are here... whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

Here is an article in The Federal Observer which covered Mr. Gonzales's comments:

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=753

Here is a little more info about Congressman Gonzales:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/29/bc.obit.gonzalez.ap/

For those who are religious, here is a 9 part series on the concentration camps in the USA:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9wgXl_3Lk&feature=related (Part 1)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc9aoCaWnoQ&feature=related (Part 2)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQqPGZI60w&feature=related (Part 3)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k7y41AJQyhg&feature=related (Part 4)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xvJjHQzmY&feature=related (Part 5)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KTAFBow0_So&feature=related (Part 6)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmgripQUnU&feature=related (Part 7)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxXYq4zpA0&feature=related (Part 8)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B01jK9ZbBNk&feature=related (Part 9)

Those camps, they look horrible.

My guess is that dangerous people who know the truth about the USA will be held captive there. So please, Mr Parker and NuclearWinter watch your back

Well, here's one citizen who is up to speed on whats going on in this country:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNAEYQkD3s

Originally posted by Katsu
Those camps, they look horrible.

My guess is that dangerous people who know the truth about the USA will be held captive there. So please, Mr Parker and NuclearWinter watch your back

Yeah but if Parker is anything like me than he doesn't care. I'll take anything to try and help prevent this from happening.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Yeah but if Parker is anything like me than he doesn't care. I'll take anything to try and help prevent this from happening.

if parker is anything like you then you have my sympathy

Here is the actual United States Homeland Security document that outlines the plan to build "Detention Camps" all around the United States:

http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf

It doesn't get any better than the actual document folks.

Here is a video of soldiers in the military preparing/training to take over American cities in the case of Martial Law. Obviously use of force would be authorized in this situation, and American Citizens would be fair game and could be shot or killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ&eurl=http://www.fight4truth.com/concentrationcamps.htm

Here is a video of Gongressman Henry B. Gonzalez giving his famous speech about how there are plans right now, for the arresting of American citizens and the holding of American Citizens in detention camps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpXh7DCptaQ&eurl=http://www.fight4truth.com/concentrationcamps.htm

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Here is the actual United States Homeland Security document that outlines the plan to build "Detention Camps" all around the United States:

http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf

It doesn't get any better than the actual document folks.

it's about illegal immigration...you realised this did you not

it doesn't have anything to do with what you initially started this thread about and it's no more of a conspiracy as building a new prison to hold criminals

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/images/february2008/040208marine.jpg

Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family.....

February 4th, 2008
Paul Watson

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an email from "Scott," a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called "Helmets to Hard Hats," which, according to its website, "is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America. "I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott.

"I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

http://www.sfbayview.com/News/Main/U.S. _troops_asked_if_they_would_shoot_American_citizen
s.html

Documentary filmmaker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late ‘90s which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland, Calif., dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer whether they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIDNQNsUss - News Coverage Of The Training of Pastors to be enforcers

The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.

Daniel Hamburg is a former Democratic Congressman who was elected to the 1st Congressional District of California in 1992 and also subsequently ran for Governor of California, finishing in 3rd place.

Hamburg co-wrote a well-received recent article carried by the San Francisco Chronicle in which he outlined the program to incarcerate American citizens in internment camps, which have already been publicly built, during a time of declared national emergency.

Here is the article that former Congressman Daniel Hamburg wrote about these "prison" camps for American citizens.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

In the article, the Congressman states that:

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

But I have already stated before that I think what the government claims these camps are for and what they are really for is two different things. They aren't permanently for illegal aliens because our government is currently pushing for the SPPA. A "north-american partnership" AKA North American Union AKA Open borders policy.

And again, they are not just being built in the USA, they are being built all over the World.

Originally posted by jaden101
it's about illegal immigration...you realised this did you not

it doesn't have anything to do with what you initially started this thread about and it's no more of a conspiracy as building a new prison to hold criminals

The government is not building them for illegal aliens. Despite what they claim. The government is pushing for open borders. So why would they do the opposite with the camps?

Congressman Jim McDermot made a speech about the "internment camps" and the rounding up of American citizens during Martial Law in the United States:

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

In the speech, Congressman Jim McDermot said:

"From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA."

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
The government is not building them for illegal aliens. Despite what they claim. The government is pushing for open borders. So why would they do the opposite with the camps?

illegal immigrants dont pay taxes...they may want an open border policy and they may even want a north american union...but most of all they want people paying up and they only want people coming in who they consider to be beneficial to the US economy

so posting an paper on the expulsion of illegal immigrants is not the smoking gun you claim it to be

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

http://www.arizona.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/3646

In the article, Ritt Goldstein writes:

America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment.

Hidden behind FEMA’s benevolent face as the body whose chief responsibility is disaster relief, another FEMA exists. It is a FEMA that few know has been “charged by the Bush Administration with leading the nation’s anti-terrorism effort”, and a FEMA whose history includes nightmarish episodes in this vein.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

Originally posted by jaden101
illegal immigrants dont pay taxes...they may want an open border policy and they may even want a north american union...but most of all they want people paying up and they only want people coming in who they consider to be beneficial to the US economy

so posting an paper on the expulsion of illegal immigrants is not the smoking gun you claim it to be

I'll let others decide that for themselves. As if you think imprisoning Mexican families in our country is what America stands for anyway. Even if that was the case. Which I don't believe it is. There is a much darker reason for these camps. Much darker indeed.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I'll let others decide that for themselves. As if you think imprisoning Mexican families in our country is what America stands for anyway. Even if that was the case. Which I don't believe it is.

well i am one of those others am i not...or is it because i disagree with your post.

you dont beleive what is the case?...that America has the right to expell people who enter their country illegally and have no intention of paying taxes ever in their lives

i can assure you this happens everywhere in the world...

in the UK it's not viewed as some huge conspiracy that places such as
http://www.ncadc.org.uk/resources/addresses.html

they're hugely controvertial on the human rights debate but they're certainly not the subject of mass conspiracy debates like they are in the US

keep in mind that the level of illegal immigration to the UK is fae less than that to the US

i personally believe that the idiocy of the current US administration has led to people thinking that every decision they make is somehow working against the people of the US...it's quite a bizarre and uniquely US mentality when you think about it

Originally posted by jaden101

i personally believe that the idiocy of the current US administration has led to people thinking that every decision they make is somehow working against the people of the US...it's quite a bizarre and uniquely US mentality when you think about it

Maybe thats because almost every single decision they have made in the past 2 years has been working against the people of the US.

Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

so basically the kind of mass mobilization demonstrations such as the anti war protests involving millions of people...and nothing was done then




only if your a complete conspiracy "enthusiast" and think there is some kind of hidden agenda behind all those policies

those camps are for uss

Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America

http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm

Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CfCAHV.pdf

In the article, Jonathan Turley writes:

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft’s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and
reconsideration of Ashcroft’s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft’s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching to test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality.

Thecases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Jonathan Turley's Blog:

http://jonathanturley.org/

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. So all of the rest of the money must be going somewhere.....

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32625

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=35183

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58933


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58935

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58936


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58938


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58940

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58941


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58942


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58943

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58944


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58990


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

This Executive Order comes from none other than Lyndon B. Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58988


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=59356

Here is a video of the Military preparing for a martial law scenario, where they will have the ability to basicly beat and arrest whoever is resisting them whatsoever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E&feature=related

Very good video on Bush's power grab and his dictatorial powers that he has now given to whoever is the President of the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jatpX6kuxHQ&feature=related

Well here we go folks, they are steeming ahead with their plans for the trains. You saw the camp video folks, the camps are being built right next to the train tracks. And now we have FEMA coming out directly and stating that they are planning up increasing the use of trains for the next "disaster" that hits the United States, whatever that "disaster" may be. Whether it be man-made or nature made.

But you know what, I think they really mean, in the event of Martial Law being declared during one of these "emergency situations".

Here are the recently released news articles which show PROOF that FEMA is planning to use massive amounts of trains for the next "disaster" outbreak:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1215440~FEMA_Looks_at_Trains_for_Evacautions.html - Los Angeles Examiner Article

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7856418&nav=menu117_2_1 - KLTV 7 News Article

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83188 - WKYC News Article

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7859407&nav=0qq64h3l - WTOCTV News Article

Well I'm not buying it at all. I think this is a nightmare scenario.

Trains for the sick and elderly? Lol. Are you serious? FEMA didn't do squat when the sick and elderly were drowning and dying in their wheelchairs during that hellish week of Huricane Katrina. Do you people really believe that FEMA is a loving, fuzzy, cuddly organization that cares so much about the sick and the elderly? For crying out loud they are now tied into the United States Department of Defense!

And another thing, the amount of train cars being built, and the amount of trains being built, can hold WAY WAY more people in them than just the sick and the elderly. Whats all the extra space for? Hmmm...could it be MORE people?

And where are these trains going to bring the people that are filled with them? Are they going to cruise past a homeless shelter and drop them off? lol. Hell no. There aren't even enough Homeless shelters to hold them all. Are they going to drop them in other cities? Yeah right. The cities that they were dropped in would be filled to it's maximum capacity, and the economy of that cities would be strained with all the new people to feed and clothe. So thats not going to happen.

Hmmm....so what does that leave us with folks? Can we say, The over 800 FEMA concentration camps that can hold millions of people in total? Can we say, the same camps from the same videos I posted that are located RIGHT NEXT TO the train tracks?

I'm telling you what. There is no way in hell I'm getting on any FEMA train, and going to any camp where they are going to hold me "indefinately". F-ck that.

Straight from the article:

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The Federal Emergency Management Agency may expand the use of passenger trains to evacuate the sick and elderly in advance of hurricanes across the Gulf Coast, a FEMA official said.

Glenn Cannon, a FEMA assistant administrator, told a congressional subcommittee meeting in New Orleans on Monday that his agency is looking at passenger trains as a method of getting people out of harm's way.

After Hurricane Katrina hit in August 2005, Amtrak was hired to be on hand to evacuate people if another disaster hit.

And then there is this very worrysome statement:

But, he said, turning railways into evacuation routes won't be easy.

Rights of way for most railroads are privately owned by freight companies, and there is no congressional mandate to use railroads for evacuations. Also, the existing stock of passenger cars cannot accommodate evacuees unable to walk, he said.

So what does that mean? Hmmm..does that mean that FEMA and/or the President and/or congress is going to physically change the laws so that they can take posession of most railways in our country for their own purposes? VERY, VERY, Scary folks.

Please look at this with an open mind and open EYES folks. We need to do something. It's all coming into fruition, and if we don't do anything we're going to be screwed in the end.

The mind is like a parachute folks. It works better when it's open.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1343646

Here is a video of the military going from house to house and disarming the population in New Orleans. In the video, they are using the "threat" of force, to get people out of their homes and to do what the military tells them to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4IbxUMWu8Q&NR=1

Here is a video of George W. Bush having Alex Jones arrested for asking him questions about the CFR, the Federal Reserve, ect. Look at the smirk on George Bush's face as he gives the nod to have Alex arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoyn_doplUM&feature=related

What ever happened to "Freedom of Speech"?

This video is full of amazing points about the freedoms of America being trampled upon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtv-rAsgVI&feature=related

Former President George H. W. Bush calls out for a New World Order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw1ZlyqASX8&feature=related

Former President George H. W. Bush states that the "Rule of Law" is part of the New World Order and that it will prevail in all nations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNQ5QfZJBw&feature=related

Former President George H. W. Bush says that Ronald Reagan helped the plans for a New World Order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLlQxVpeHHs&feature=related

Former President Bill Clinton says that we need a New World Order in this country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM&feature=related

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhC6lXoTls&feature=related

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown admits plan for a New World Order and Globalization (One World Government):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0&feature=related

you refer to them as concentration camps and you post lots of youtube videos...i want you to watch these

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1tu4igqnk

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pJcZz4pLGNc&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BazGGwrDotg&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mUfHrYcBqKM&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BCVBlugadrY&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7IYVkJCfPwc&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUw8U5EQrQ&feature=related

there's a part missing..and it's in french...but you dont need subtitles...believe me

Or you can watch this video Jaden,

C-SPAN video of Congress being kept away from the truth about George Bush's so called "Emergency Plans". These are the same plans in connection with FEMA and FEMA's Concentration Camps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk

so you're not going to watch them?...well then dont embaress yourself by talking about concentration camps then

There is the The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency:

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C605.txt

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

http://www.intelligence.gov/0-natsecact_1947.shtml - Unclassified National Security Act of 1947 Document

The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over many aspects of the economy:

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6537754

And then there is The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979:

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/legal/statutes/ieepa.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Emergency_Economic_Powers_Act

From the wikipedia article:

The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) is a United States federal law allowing U.S. Presidents to identify any unusual extraordinary threat that originates outside the United States and to confiscate property and prohibit transactions in response. In the United States Code the IEEPA is Title 50, sections 1701-1707.

And then of course we have The John Warner Defense Act of 2007 passed easily at the end of September 2006, authorizing the expenditure of $526 billion for fiscal year 2007. Only 23 U.S. representatives voted against the Act, and not a single senator objected during a unanimous voice vote. Section 1076 of the Act Changed the title of the law from "Insurrection Act" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act".

Specifies situations in which the President can invoke martial law (natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident or other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order). These had not been specified before.

Here is an official press release about the Act:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/press/Conference%2007%20Press%20Release.pdf

Here is the Wikipedia description of the act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._5122_(2006)

Wikipedia states:

H.R. 5122, also known as the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 was a bill passed in the United States Congress on September 30, 2006 and signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. Among other things, it includes:

$500 billion allocated to the military and defense related activities for fiscal year 2007

Expansion of the President's power to declare martial law under revisions to the Insurrection Act, and take charge of United States National Guard troops without state governor authorization when public order has been lost and the state and its constituted authorities cannot enforce the law.

16 posts in a row?

This thread should be closed just because of that...

times it's been used?...ww2 to transport troops across the atlantic



why is only some of that highlighted and not the rest?...trying to portray skewed information?

Originally posted by jaden101
why is only some of that highlighted and not the rest?...trying to portray skewed information?

Why does it exist in the first place?

Without authorization....Hmmm....

Who gets to determine when "public order has been lost"? Let me guess, is that the President as well?

great stuff there winter.thanks for that great information.when clinton and his buddy bush start talking about having a new world order,you know its not good for the world.

The prevention of thougtcrimes bill that passed through the House and is now in the Senate:

http://cryptome.org/1984update.htm

And this little lovely intent to restructure the government, straight from the white house

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Nat Hentoff (born June 10, 1925) is an American historian, novelist, and columnist for the Village Voice, Legal Times, Washington Times, The Progressive, Editor & Publisher, Free Inquiry and Jewish World Review.

Nat Hentoff received his B.A. with the highest honors from Northeastern University and did graduate work at Harvard. He was a Fulbright fellow at the Sorbonne in Paris in 1950. From 1953 through 1957 he was associate editor of Down Beat magazine. He was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in education and an American Bar Association Silver Gavel Award in 1980 for his coverage of the law and criminal justice in his columns. In 1985 he was awarded an honorary Doctorate of Laws by Northeastern University.

Here is an article by Nat Hentoff in the Village Voice in which he also outlines General Ashcroft's plans for Detention Camps in the United States:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Here is more info about Nat Hentoff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Hentoff

Just recently, (last 1.5 years) it was changed to now the President has total control over the National Guard in each state. That is, to say, that the Governors can't say no.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=170453

Anita Ramasastry is a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce & Technology. She is also a regular columnist for the online legal commentary Writ.

Ramasastry earned a B.A. in 1988 from Harvard University, a M.A. in 1990 from University of Sydney, and a J.D. in 1992 from Harvard Law School.

Here is a CNN news article about Ashcrofts plan for detention camps in America done by Anita Ramasastry:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/column...stry.detainees/

In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:

Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.

The internees will be deemed enemy combatants. By whom? By the military alone -- without any right to judicial review in a federal court or otherwise.

The government's position is that its own decision as to who is an enemy combatant is binding on federal courts, and that it need not even offer the courts individualized facts to support particular detention decisions.

We now are faced with a scary prospect -- indefinite detention of multiple citizens because the government decides they are dangerous. The mere suggestion of camps or group detention facilities implies that the Executive is, in fact, considering using its newfound citizen-combatant detention program on a broader scale.

Here is more information about Anita Ramasastry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry

Here is a Pacific News article published in 2006 about a $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_arti...06fe03f4c9b3a77

In the article, it states that:

Almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants.

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets.

It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law. A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Stor...77662-858254656

In the article, it states that:

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.

The purpose of these camps?

Well, America is supposed to collapse, the dollar is supposed to collapse. The Elite wants to turn the USA into a communist regime.

People were supposed to find out that 9-11 was a FAKE. Alex Jones is just one of the elite trying to start a civil war in the USA.

Its all part of the plan. Remember the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion": all revolutions against us will be lead by us. The elite is in Europe, not USA.

Like Sir Francis Bacon said: "America will become the new Atlantis", dragging the whole world down under with it.

Martial Law will be declared soon in the USA.

what?

Originally posted by Katsu
The Elite wants to turn the USA into a communist regime.

What would this accomplish? And how do you think this is supposed to happen?

Your ramblings are often insane. But I want to here you think this one through. With all the variables equated, just how is the U.S. going to end up as a communist regime?

that's what i was "what?"ing at...i think it's maybe just a misunderstanding of communism...seeing as in the US its synonomous with "evil empire" ala the soviets where as in reality as an economic idealogue its something worthy to aspire to...in that everyone contributes and everyone gets an equal share

not that a true communist state would ever work in any human civilisation

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Here is a very interesting video of "camps" that are being built around the United States of America.

I recommend that for those who wish to respond to my question, that those people click on the following link and watch this video before giving an answer. That way they will better understand the question.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=215

My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?

I am most interested to see what anybodies theories are.


Concentration camps for when The illuminati officially takes over

The elite have big plans in store for The USA. What i have said, may or may not be true, its what i think, i have no proof for this one, so unlike me! No one knows exactly what they want with the USA.

Those camps are suspicious though and so is Alex Jones.

just watch out for around 2012. this date has major significance

Originally posted by Katsu
Well, America is supposed to collapse, the dollar is supposed to collapse. The Elite wants to turn the USA into a communist regime.

Originally posted by Katsu
The elite have big plans in store for The USA. What i have said, may or may not be true, its what i think, i have no proof for this one, so unlike me! No one knows exactly what they want with the USA.

Does anyone else see the major problem with these statements?

Originally posted by Katsu
The purpose of these camps?

Well, America is supposed to collapse, the dollar is supposed to collapse. The Elite wants to turn the USA into a communist regime.

People were supposed to find out that 9-11 was a FAKE. Alex Jones is just one of the elite trying to start a civil war in the USA.

Its all part of the plan. Remember the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion": all revolutions against us will be lead by us. The elite is in Europe, not USA.

Like Sir Francis Bacon said: "America will become the new Atlantis", dragging the whole world down under with it.

Martial Law will be declared soon in the USA.

I agree with everything you said except what you said about Alex Jones.The guy is a patriot.He is trying to do something.he cant do it all by himself though.The people have to stop being afraid to stand up to the government and demand that congress do something right for a change in government.they wont though.thats the problem.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Does anyone else see the major problem with these statements?

yip

Time will tell, no one can deny its not going swell with the USA right now.

The paper money thingy could blow up.

http://magicstatistics.com/wp-content/pictures/places/Zimbabwe_Restaurant.jpg

One Big Mac please!

hahaha...class pic

i remember seeing something similar in a documentary about Somalia where there is a kind of stock trading thing where people trade massive amounts of banknotes which are virtually worthless but they all have mountains of cash...it was very odd

Here is another article from CounterPunch which talks about the $385 Million for concentration camps in the United States of America:

http://www.counterpunch.org/sigal03162006.html

In the article, it states:

The federal government has awarded a $385 million contract for the construction of 'temporary detention facilities' inside the United States as part of the Immigration Service's Detention and Removal Program. The contract was given to Kellogg, Root & Brown, a subsidiary of Halliburton. The camps would be used in the event of an "emergency", said Jamie Zuieback, an Immigration service official.

Here is another article from SourceWatch.com about the same $385 Million Dollar Contract to built the concentration camps in the USA:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...entration_camps

In the article, it states that:

On January 24, 2006, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR) to "support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency"—in essence, American concentration camps

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

Here is another article from Global Research that talks about the $385 million dollar deal to build concentration camps in the United States:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=2045

In the article, it states that:

A recently announced contract for a Halliburton subsidiary to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site at: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/index.html

The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose.

ENDGAME's crash program is designed to house additional detainees who have not been convicted of crimes.

Significantly, both the KBR contract and the ENDGAME plan are open-ended. The contract calls for a response to "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." "New programs" is of course a term with no precise limitation. So, in the current administration, is ENDGAME's goal of removing "potential terrorists."

It is relevant that in 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be "enemy combatants." In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country's security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called "news informers" who needed to be combated in "a contest of wills." Two days earlier, citing speeches critical of Bush by Al Gore, John Kerry, and Howard Dean, conservative columnist Ben Shapiro called for "legislation to prosecute such sedition."

Since 9/11 the Bush administration has implemented a number of inter-related programs, which had been planned for secretly in the 1980s under President Reagan. These so-called "Continuity of Government" or COG proposals included vastly expanded detention capabilities, warrantless eavesdropping and detention, and preparations for greater use of martial law.

North's exercise, which reportedly contemplated possible suspension of the United States Constitution, led to questions being asked during the Iran-Contra Hearings. One concern then was that North's plans for expanded internment and detention facilities would not be confined to "refugees" alone.

Here is a 2006 Article from Global Research that gives a detailed description on the concentration camps that FEMA is currently constructing in the United States:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=3010

In the article, it states that:

We are dangerously close to a situation where ~ if the American people took to the streets in righteous indignation or if there were another 9/11 ~ a mechanism for martial law could be quickly implemented and carried out under REX 84.

The Cheney/Bush administration has a plan which would accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency.

Existence of the Rex 84 plan was first revealed during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported by the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987:

" These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached."

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners.

Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold thousands of people.