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Here is a very interesting video of "camps" that are being built around the United States of America.

I recommend that for those who wish to respond to my question, that those people click on the following link and watch this video before giving an answer. That way they will better understand the question.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=215

My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?

I am most interested to see what anybodies theories are.

Who cares?

Are the Germans involved?

DUDE CONCENTRATION CAMPS

Bill Clinton's answer to a question about the FEMA CAMPS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ05vt7iURE&feature=related

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Bill Clinton's answer to a question about the FEMA CAMPS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ05vt7iURE&feature=related

that is worst video quality i have ever seen

I liked how he didn't answer the ladies question though..., what a bullshit artist lol

Auschwitz das zwiete ? - wir mussen das judaen ausrotten ?

wir zusammen Getrank dunkel bier, ja?

FEMA 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4zr0_9P-gz8

FEMA 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e3rl1FbDT2o&feature=related

sounds like nuttery to me

Here is video of an "internment camp" in Texas:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8&feature=related

The privatized Hutto "jail", which is also administered by Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), contains more than just people who came over the boarder illegally. In fact, here is an article about palestinian refugees and CHILDREN being held in that camp:

http://www.counterpunch.org/moses12192006.html

In fact, Most of them are families including pregnant women and children who have never been accused of any wrongdoing but are forced to endure squalid conditions inside literal concentration camps.

Allied to the burgeoning growth of the prison industry and future plans to detain American citizens on masse, new plans have revived the potential scope of the camp, and a new contract to intern 600 individuals was finalized with immigration authorities in December 2005.

The facility is euphemistically called a "Residential Center," yet charges of overcrowding and poor conditions are rife, with an estimated 645 people filling a facility that has only 512 beds, as this article from the Texas Civil Rights Review clearly states -

http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=708

Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions. Plain and simple. Suspicions will undoubtedly be cast as to whether the facility in Tyler is part of a wider agenda to set up a network of internment camps that will be used to forcibly detain American citizens under emergency provisions. And I think all Americans should be concerned when these camps are popping up everywhere.

People, please. The government can eventually use them for whatever they want to. How many need to be built before we all stop them?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Here is video of an "internment camp" in Texas:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8&feature=related

The privatized Hutto "jail", which is also administered by Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), contains more than just people who came over the boarder illegally. In fact, here is an article about palestinian refugees and CHILDREN being held in that camp:

http://www.counterpunch.org/moses12192006.html

In fact, Most of them are families including pregnant women and children who have never been accused of any wrongdoing but are forced to endure squalid conditions inside literal concentration camps.

Allied to the burgeoning growth of the prison industry and future plans to detain American citizens on masse, new plans have revived the potential scope of the camp, and a new contract to intern 600 individuals was finalized with immigration authorities in December 2005.

The facility is euphemistically called a "Residential Center," yet charges of overcrowding and poor conditions are rife, with an estimated 645 people filling a facility that has only 512 beds, as this article from the Texas Civil Rights Review clearly states -

http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=708

Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions. Plain and simple. Suspicions will undoubtedly be cast as to whether the facility in Tyler is part of a wider agenda to set up a network of internment camps that will be used to forcibly detain American citizens under emergency provisions. And I think all Americans should be concerned when these camps are popping up everywhere.

People, please. The government can eventually use them for whatever they want to. How many need to be built before we all stop them?

Six more. Then maybe it'll stop being so hysterically funny.

Here's another video of a protest at the "internment camp" in Texas.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mntQogvuRI8&feature=related

Originally posted by GCG
Auschwitz das zwiete ? - wir mussen das judaen ausrotten ? Originally posted by ragesRemorse
wir zusammen Getrank dunkel bier, ja?

Holy mother of Batman.

figures a nazi starts a thread about concentration camps.

Here is a video that shows Oliver North being questioned about the "continuity of government" that could end up placing millions of Americans in FEMA concentration camps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez (RIP), admitted that there are actual plans to detain American citizens in the case of what the government would consider to be "terrorism".

Congressman Henry Gonzales (D,Tx) stated,

"the truth is yes...the plans are here... whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

Here is an article in The Federal Observer which covered Mr. Gonzales's comments:

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=753

Here is a little more info about Congressman Gonzales:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/29/bc.obit.gonzalez.ap/

For those who are religious, here is a 9 part series on the concentration camps in the USA:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9wgXl_3Lk&feature=related (Part 1)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc9aoCaWnoQ&feature=related (Part 2)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQqPGZI60w&feature=related (Part 3)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k7y41AJQyhg&feature=related (Part 4)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xvJjHQzmY&feature=related (Part 5)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KTAFBow0_So&feature=related (Part 6)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmgripQUnU&feature=related (Part 7)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxXYq4zpA0&feature=related (Part 8)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B01jK9ZbBNk&feature=related (Part 9)

I'm going to be real... I'm interested and all, but make that shit concise!

I'm a damn college student.

Oh, i'm sorry, i must have walked in the wrong forum. I thought this was general discussion

Chit. It's factual so no worries. The videos are real, I do my best to post the best. Seriously.

The 9 part series is full of news clippings and articles, statements, ect. It's actually pretty good. I was surprised for it being fueled by religion. But I was forced to bow my head by the end of it.

The Oliver North Video is real. Look at the look on the guys face man. He looks as though he saw a ghost when he is asked the question. And he doesn't answer it. The guy to his left does. lol. What a joke.

The statement from Congressman Henry Gonzales is real too. It's all real.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?

Does anybody have a logical explanation for why we're here talking about videos that don't have a logical explanation?

Did I say "Death Camps?" I meant "Happy Camps."

Well, here's one citizen who is up to speed on whats going on in this country:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNAEYQkD3s

Here is the actual United States Homeland Security document that outlines the plan to build "Detention Camps" all around the United States:

http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf

It doesn't get any better than the actual document folks.

People actually like to be shepherded

Here is a video of soldiers in the military preparing/training to take over American cities in the case of Martial Law. Obviously use of force would be authorized in this situation, and American Citizens would be fair game and could be shot or killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ&eurl=http://www.fight4truth.com/concentrationcamps.htm

Originally posted by GCG
People actually like to be shepherded
Speak for yourself. I'm a Human Being. Not a Sheep.

The only Being that ever had the right to call Himself a "Shepard" was Christ Himself. And He didn't look at us as animals, He looked at us as His Brothers and Sisters.

dude, more Le Pen, less Stalin

you have confused the real abuse of power for something that completely discredits your argument as soon as you say it.

People actually rue to be shepherded

Daniel Hamburg is a former Democratic Congressman who was elected to the 1st Congressional District of California in 1992 and also subsequently ran for Governor of California, finishing in 3rd place.

Hamburg co-wrote a well-received recent article carried by the San Francisco Chronicle in which he outlined the program to incarcerate American citizens in internment camps, which have already been publicly built, during a time of declared national emergency.

Here is the article that former Congressman Daniel Hamburg wrote about these "prison" camps for American citizens.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

In the article, the Congressman states that:

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

But I have already stated before that I think what the government claims these camps are for and what they are really for is two different things. They aren't permanently for illegal aliens because our government is currently pushing for the SPPA. A "north-american partnership" AKA North American Union AKA Open borders policy.

And again, they are not just being built in the USA, they are being built all over the World.

Congressman Jim McDermot made a speech about the "internment camps" and the rounding up of American citizens during Martial Law in the United States:

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

In the speech, Congressman Jim McDermot said:

"From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA."

Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

SPAM!!!!!!

Spam? How? It relates to my thread.....

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. So all of the rest of the money must be going somewhere.....

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32625

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=35183

SPAM!!!^2

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58933


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58935

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58936


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58938


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58940

Originally posted by dadudemon
SPAM!!!^2

He's a doomsday JIA.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58941


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58942


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58943

So?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58944


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58990


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

This Executive Order comes from none other than Lyndon B. Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58988


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=59356

make it stop.

I saw the duplicate thread in the Conspiracy Forum....

make it stop.

Here is a video of the Military preparing for a martial law scenario, where they will have the ability to basicly beat and arrest whoever is resisting them whatsoever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E&feature=related

Very good video on Bush's power grab and his dictatorial powers that he has now given to whoever is the President of the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jatpX6kuxHQ&feature=related

Poster categorization.

Tier 1- Poster
Tier 2- Failure
Tier 3- Life

Just a word of advice. The point of threads is to discuss/argue/tear apart/express ideologies, stances, etc etc. collectively. Posting in this manner, as in back-to-back posts, by the same person is making it a sort of monotonous thread.

There is not much discussion going on so do the math

I've already reported it

apparently the mods think its good :shrug:

Originally posted by inimalist
I've already reported it

apparently the mods think its good :shrug:

Wow...

-myself and others have attempted to discuss these issues with NW

-he has made 3 posts that are not just links or cut and pastes of other pages

-at the very least, the discussion that NW is trying to provoke belongs in the forum dedicated to that type of discussion, though, see the first 2 points

-this isn't a blog page, this is a discussion forum. Similar threads in the religion forum have been closed for similar reasons, re: no discussion, spamming of cut and paste stuff, topic of another forum

... why am i justifying myself to you.....

I think the purpose of these camps are to really set in the type of military nation and police state america is. That when it comes to national security it will turn into facism. I mean comon! the majority of all our money goes to where? THE MILITARY... and indoing so builds the tension in the world creating more enemies for ourselves.

Well here we go folks, they are steeming ahead with their plans for the trains. You saw the camp video folks, the camps are being built right next to the train tracks. And now we have FEMA coming out directly and stating that they are planning up increasing the use of trains for the next "disaster" that hits the United States, whatever that "disaster" may be. Whether it be man-made or nature made.

But you know what, I think they really mean, in the event of Martial Law being declared during one of these "emergency situations".

Here are the recently released news articles which show PROOF that FEMA is planning to use massive amounts of trains for the next "disaster" outbreak:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1215440~FEMA_Looks_at_Trains_for_Evacautions.html - Los Angeles Examiner Article

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7856418&nav=menu117_2_1 - KLTV 7 News Article

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83188 - WKYC News Article

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7859407&nav=0qq64h3l - WTOCTV News Article

Well I'm not buying it at all. I think this is a nightmare scenario.

Trains for the sick and elderly? Lol. Are you serious? FEMA didn't do squat when the sick and elderly were drowning and dying in their wheelchairs during that hellish week of Huricane Katrina. Do you people really believe that FEMA is a loving, fuzzy, cuddly organization that cares so much about the sick and the elderly? For crying out loud they are now tied into the United States Department of Defense!

And another thing, the amount of train cars being built, and the amount of trains being built, can hold WAY WAY more people in them than just the sick and the elderly. Whats all the extra space for? Hmmm...could it be MORE people?

And where are these trains going to bring the people that are filled with them? Are they going to cruise past a homeless shelter and drop them off? lol. Hell no. There aren't even enough Homeless shelters to hold them all. Are they going to drop them in other cities? Yeah right. The cities that they were dropped in would be filled to it's maximum capacity, and the economy of that cities would be strained with all the new people to feed and clothe. So thats not going to happen.

Hmmm....so what does that leave us with folks? Can we say, The over 800 FEMA concentration camps that can hold millions of people in total? Can we say, the same camps from the same videos I posted that are located RIGHT NEXT TO the train tracks?

I'm telling you what. There is no way in hell I'm getting on any FEMA train, and going to any camp where they are going to hold me "indefinately". F-ck that.

Straight from the article:

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The Federal Emergency Management Agency may expand the use of passenger trains to evacuate the sick and elderly in advance of hurricanes across the Gulf Coast, a FEMA official said.

Glenn Cannon, a FEMA assistant administrator, told a congressional subcommittee meeting in New Orleans on Monday that his agency is looking at passenger trains as a method of getting people out of harm's way.

After Hurricane Katrina hit in August 2005, Amtrak was hired to be on hand to evacuate people if another disaster hit.

And then there is this very worrysome statement:

But, he said, turning railways into evacuation routes won't be easy.

Rights of way for most railroads are privately owned by freight companies, and there is no congressional mandate to use railroads for evacuations. Also, the existing stock of passenger cars cannot accommodate evacuees unable to walk, he said.

So what does that mean? Hmmm..does that mean that FEMA and/or the President and/or congress is going to physically change the laws so that they can take posession of most railways in our country for their own purposes? VERY, VERY, Scary folks.

Please look at this with an open mind and open EYES folks. We need to do something. It's all coming into fruition, and if we don't do anything we're going to be screwed in the end.

The mind is like a parachute folks. It works better when it's open.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1343646

Here is a video of the military going from house to house and disarming the population in New Orleans. In the video, they are using the "threat" of force, to get people out of their homes and to do what the military tells them to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4IbxUMWu8Q&NR=1

Here is a video of George W. Bush having Alex Jones arrested for asking him questions about the CFR, the Federal Reserve, ect. Look at the smirk on George Bush's face as he gives the nod to have Alex arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoyn_doplUM&feature=related

What ever happened to "Freedom of Speech"?

This video is full of amazing points about the freedoms of America being trampled upon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtv-rAsgVI&feature=related

you know why i dont actually put up an argument about this...because i dont give a shit about America...

and still with the youtube videos...i mean seriously...the only piece of noteworthy info you posted was about something completely unrelated...but because it feeds your need about wanting there to be a hidden agenda to enslave the people of America you have to twist it...seriously...why?...why is it that America is the only country that has this bizarre obsession?...is it some kind of reaction to moving from a religious society into a secular one that one belief needs to be replaced by another...any other no matter how bizarre..

is it a reaction to a shit government that now...no matter what they do..it has to be somehow subversive and evil in every single action it takes

it simply cant be that they got it so unbelievably wrong at hurricaine katrina and got so heavily criticised from the entire world that such an unbelievablely slow reaction to a massive disaster in the richest and most advance country on the planet could happen...that yes...their plans might be overboard to the point of ridiculousness

it has to be that its a ploy to create "concentration camps" in which to imprison everyone...do you have any notion of how insulting that is to the people who actually went through the nazi concentration camps and japanese labour camps (which were actually worse that the nazi ones)...

you actually think that taking control of trains in a national emergency is somehow a ploy to ship millions of people to prisons?

your last post is about "freedoms of america being trampled on" but how has the life of the average american been affected?...its a little more difficult to get on a plane?...i hear the same thing being trumpeted in the UK...that human rights are being thrown away post 9/11...well the fact is...my life and the lives of my friends haven't been affected in anyway and my guess is its the same for the average joe in the US

the US government gets accused of scaremongering when it has press conferences about possible terror attacks...ala the anthrax thing shortly after 9/11...if the government knew and it said nothing it would be accused of not acting...allegedly like 9/11...so its a no win situation for them...and its the same with preparing for national emergencies...it was lacking in preparation pre katrina and got slated....they learn from their mistakes and plan for the worst and get accused of making plans to enslave the nation

grow up...chill out...live life...and be safe in the knowledge that when push comes to shove...and if a government ever did try to enslave its people....down tools and do nothing and watch the rich people crumble...because its people like you that make them their money...not them...a perfect example being nothern rock in the UK...everyone withdrew their cash...and the bank went bankrupt virtually overnight

Originally posted by jaden101
you know why i dont actually put up an argument about this...because i dont give a shit about America...


Your opening statement killed the rest of what you had to say.

Former President George H. W. Bush calls out for a New World Order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw1ZlyqASX8&feature=related

Former President George H. W. Bush states that the "Rule of Law" is part of the New World Order and that it will prevail in all nations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNQ5QfZJBw&feature=related

Former President George H. W. Bush says that Ronald Reagan helped the plans for a New World Order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLlQxVpeHHs&feature=related

Former President Bill Clinton says that we need a New World Order in this country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM&feature=related

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhC6lXoTls&feature=related

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown admits plan for a New World Order and Globalization (One World Government):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0&feature=related

C-SPAN video of Congress being kept away from the truth about George Bush's so called "Emergency Plans". These are the same plans in connection with FEMA and FEMA's Concentration Camps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk

There is the The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency:

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C605.txt

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

http://www.intelligence.gov/0-natsecact_1947.shtml - Unclassified National Security Act of 1947 Document

The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over many aspects of the economy:

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6537754

And then there is The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979:

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/legal/statutes/ieepa.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Emergency_Economic_Powers_Act

From the wikipedia article:

The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) is a United States federal law allowing U.S. Presidents to identify any unusual extraordinary threat that originates outside the United States and to confiscate property and prohibit transactions in response. In the United States Code the IEEPA is Title 50, sections 1701-1707.

Originally posted by jaden101
it simply cant be that they got it so unbelievably wrong at hurricaine katrina and got so heavily criticised from the entire world that such an unbelievablely slow reaction to a massive disaster in the richest and most advance country on the planet could happen...that yes...their plans might be overboard to the point of ridiculousness

Weeeell, our GDP/GNP is larger than any other country by far....but we are not the most advanced country in the world I don't think. I think that that title belongs to Finland.

Originally posted by jaden101
do you have any notion of how insulting that is to the people who actually went through the nazi concentration camps and japanese labour camps (which were actually worse that the nazi ones)...

Really? The Japanese labor camps were "worse tha the nazi ones"?

Originally posted by jaden101
your last post is about "freedoms of america being trampled on" but how has the life of the average american been affected?...its a little more difficult to get on a plane?...i hear the same thing being trumpeted in the UK...that human rights are being thrown away post 9/11...well the fact is...my life and the lives of my friends haven't been affected in anyway and my guess is its the same for the average joe in the US

I am with you on this one. However, the fear is that more and more freedoms will be lost and if it is allowed to continue with no cap, or even a reduction, in sight we will not longer be "The Home of the Free". Surely you realize this. It has happened plenty of other times in history.

Originally posted by jaden101
grow up...chill out...live life...and be safe in the knowledge that when push comes to shove...and if a government ever did try to enslave its people....down tools and do nothing and watch the rich people crumble...because its people like you that make them their money...not them...a perfect example being nothern rock in the UK...everyone withdrew their cash...and the bank went bankrupt virtually overnight

That type of attitude doesn't solve much. It should say, "Educate yourself, enjoy life, work hard, and don't be overly skeptical but don't be idiotically blind."

And then of course we have The John Warner Defense Act of 2007 passed easily at the end of September 2006, authorizing the expenditure of $526 billion for fiscal year 2007. Only 23 U.S. representatives voted against the Act, and not a single senator objected during a unanimous voice vote. Section 1076 of the Act Changed the title of the law from "Insurrection Act" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act".

Specifies situations in which the President can invoke martial law (natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident or other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order). These had not been specified before.

Here is an official press release about the Act:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/press/Conference%2007%20Press%20Release.pdf

Here is the Wikipedia description of the act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._5122_(2006)

Wikipedia states:

H.R. 5122, also known as the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 was a bill passed in the United States Congress on September 30, 2006 and signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. Among other things, it includes:

$500 billion allocated to the military and defense related activities for fiscal year 2007

Expansion of the President's power to declare martial law under revisions to the Insurrection Act, and take charge of United States National Guard troops without state governor authorization when public order has been lost and the state and its constituted authorities cannot enforce the law.

The prevention of thougtcrimes bill that passed through the House and is now in the Senate:

http://cryptome.org/1984update.htm

And this little lovely intent to restructure the government, straight from the white house

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

What are you on about?

Could you give me a one post summary, Nuclear Winter?

What do you mean post summary?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
What do you mean post summary?

He means quit the stinkin cut-and-paste and talk like a normal individual.

Originally posted by Quark_666
He means quit the stinkin cut-and-paste and talk like a normal individual.

Roger that....

Nat Hentoff (born June 10, 1925) is an American historian, novelist, and columnist for the Village Voice, Legal Times, Washington Times, The Progressive, Editor & Publisher, Free Inquiry and Jewish World Review.

Nat Hentoff received his B.A. with the highest honors from Northeastern University and did graduate work at Harvard. He was a Fulbright fellow at the Sorbonne in Paris in 1950. From 1953 through 1957 he was associate editor of Down Beat magazine. He was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in education and an American Bar Association Silver Gavel Award in 1980 for his coverage of the law and criminal justice in his columns. In 1985 he was awarded an honorary Doctorate of Laws by Northeastern University.

Here is an article by Nat Hentoff in the Village Voice in which he also outlines General Ashcroft's plans for Detention Camps in the United States:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Here is more info about Nat Hentoff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Hentoff

Originally posted by jaden101
you know why i dont actually put up an argument about this...because i dont give a shit about America...

It is an understandable perspective, since you don't live here. But I DO care about America, and I am still not interested in these "camps". I'm still waiting for someone to offer an explaination for them, ridiculous or not.

Just recently, (last 1.5 years) it was changed to now the President has total control over the National Guard in each state. That is, to say, that the Governors can't say no.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=170453

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Just recently, (last 1.5 years) it was changed to now the President has total control over the National Guard in each state. That is, to say, that the Governors can't say no.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=170453

And here's the response by the Governors:

http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.cb6e7818b34088d18a278110501010a0/? vgnextoid=0a05e362c5f5d010VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD



Is there a link to Bush's eating habits? I hear that his eating habits can be linked to the types of decisions he makes.

In all due respect. Who cares what that panzee eats for breakfast.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
In all due respect. Who cares what that panzee eats for breakfast.

You should care.

Well I don't. I just hope he's keeping his blood sugar low. lol. Yeah right. Look. the guys a fool. The World would be better off without him. No joke.

Though I am sure he served his purpose.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Is there a link to Bush's eating habits? I hear that his eating habits can be linked to the types of decisions he makes.

I heard he was like a toddler, who chokes on his food because he doesn't chew.

Anita Ramasastry is a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce & Technology. She is also a regular columnist for the online legal commentary Writ.

Ramasastry earned a B.A. in 1988 from Harvard University, a M.A. in 1990 from University of Sydney, and a J.D. in 1992 from Harvard Law School.

Here is a CNN news article about Ashcrofts plan for detention camps in America done by Anita Ramasastry:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/column...stry.detainees/

In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:

Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.

The internees will be deemed enemy combatants. By whom? By the military alone -- without any right to judicial review in a federal court or otherwise.

The government's position is that its own decision as to who is an enemy combatant is binding on federal courts, and that it need not even offer the courts individualized facts to support particular detention decisions.

We now are faced with a scary prospect -- indefinite detention of multiple citizens because the government decides they are dangerous. The mere suggestion of camps or group detention facilities implies that the Executive is, in fact, considering using its newfound citizen-combatant detention program on a broader scale.

Here is more information about Anita Ramasastry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry

Here is a Pacific News article published in 2006 about a $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_arti...06fe03f4c9b3a77

In the article, it states that:

Almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants.

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets.

It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law. A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Stor...77662-858254656

In the article, it states that:

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.

If German's aren't involved, they're doing it wrong!!!

Here is another article from Global Research that talks about the $385 million dollar deal to build concentration camps in the United States:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=2045

In the article, it states that:

A recently announced contract for a Halliburton subsidiary to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site at: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/index.html

The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose.

ENDGAME's crash program is designed to house additional detainees who have not been convicted of crimes.

Significantly, both the KBR contract and the ENDGAME plan are open-ended. The contract calls for a response to "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." "New programs" is of course a term with no precise limitation. So, in the current administration, is ENDGAME's goal of removing "potential terrorists."

It is relevant that in 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be "enemy combatants." In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country's security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called "news informers" who needed to be combated in "a contest of wills." Two days earlier, citing speeches critical of Bush by Al Gore, John Kerry, and Howard Dean, conservative columnist Ben Shapiro called for "legislation to prosecute such sedition."

Since 9/11 the Bush administration has implemented a number of inter-related programs, which had been planned for secretly in the 1980s under President Reagan. These so-called "Continuity of Government" or COG proposals included vastly expanded detention capabilities, warrantless eavesdropping and detention, and preparations for greater use of martial law.

North's exercise, which reportedly contemplated possible suspension of the United States Constitution, led to questions being asked during the Iran-Contra Hearings. One concern then was that North's plans for expanded internment and detention facilities would not be confined to "refugees" alone.

Here is a 2006 Article from Global Research that gives a detailed description on the concentration camps that FEMA is currently constructing in the United States:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=3010

In the article, it states that:

We are dangerously close to a situation where ~ if the American people took to the streets in righteous indignation or if there were another 9/11 ~ a mechanism for martial law could be quickly implemented and carried out under REX 84.

The Cheney/Bush administration has a plan which would accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency.

Existence of the Rex 84 plan was first revealed during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported by the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987:

" These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached."

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners.

Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold thousands of people.

Well as much as your posts usually bug me, I must say it's rather alarming now that I've actually decided to start reading some of them.

Hopefully when Obama says "change", he means "change".

Originally posted by Lord Follen
I think the purpose of these camps are to really set in the type of military nation and police state america is. That when it comes to national security it will turn into facism. I mean comon! the majority of all our money goes to where? THE MILITARY... and indoing so builds the tension in the world creating more enemies for ourselves.

exactly.for the people who have said who cares? you better START caring,its going to affect you.they arent being built just for decoration.even the people not in the states should care because if you all think its going to just end in america,then your in for a rude awakening.its globally planned.the round up has been going on for quite sometime now.there reports all the time of people reporting family members getting taken away by police officers.I seriously doubt so many people would make up lies about something like that.

Originally posted by Quark_666
Well as much as your posts usually bug me, I must say it's rather alarming now that I've actually decided to start reading some of them.

Hopefully when Obama says "change", he means "change".

glad to see some people here are deciding to read what he says and as fas as Obama goes,he's not for us.He is connected to the CFR which is a group of powerful evil people who consider people who are not rich,powerful and corrupt the enemy so Obama is for this kind of change.THEIR change.are only hope is Ron Paul.he is the only candidate who is for the people.He isnt a member of the CFR.

Arent there any high powered ultra rich organizations who are good guys?

As America Collapses U.S. Government Secret Plans Revealed

By: B.A. Brooks 05/13/08

On March 13th 2008 there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. During the last 182 years in the history of The United States, this is only the sixth time a secret meeting has been held by The House. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world. The mass media said almost nothing about the secret meeting of the House, mentioning only one of the items being discussed. (The new surveillance techniques that are going to be used by the U.S. Government to watch all American citizens). The story was first released in a newspaper out of Brisbane, Australia revealing the contents of the secret U.S. Government meeting and plans for America including all of it's citizens. Shortly there after, David J. Meyer from Last Trumpet Ministries found it and made it more available for the world to see.

Here is what was revealed:

The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008

The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009

The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse

The advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. Citizens" likely to move against the government

The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States

The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses

The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest

The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union

The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution

http://www.australia.to/story/0,25197,23040466-922,00,00.html

DEANO STOP TALKING

Also, they're clearly designed to put gay people in.

South American nations to seek common currency

May 28, 2008 9:54:14 PM

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said Monday that South American nations will seek a common currency as part of the region's integration efforts following the creation of the Union of South American Nations (Unasur) last week.

"We are proceeding so as, in the future, we have a common central bank and a common currency," said Lula in his weekly radio program, noting that this process will "not be fast."

The president highlighted the importance of helping the group's more "economically fragile" members, such as Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia.

"We have to help them because the stronger the countries in South America economically are, the more tranquility, peace, democracy, trade, companies, jobs, incomes and development," he said.

The Brazilian leader said the creation of Unasur will allow cross-nation construction of railroads, highways, bridges and transmission lines connecting the region, while the alliance will make negotiations with other blocs easier.

The president said changes will be made on the proposal to create a regional defense council, which the South American leaders failed to agree during a summit in Brasilia on Friday.

A working group is expected to analyze the revised proposal in August, he said.

Lula plans to visit Colombia in July and meet Colombian President Alvaro Uribe. Colombia was the only member that opposed the plan to build the regional defense council designed to resolve regional conflicts, promote military cooperation and possibly coordinate joint weapons production in the region.

Uribe has said Colombia is experiencing a difficult time in its fight against the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the largest rebel group in the country, and such a regional defense body would not offer solutions to Colombia's problem.

The heads of state of 12 South American countries -- Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela -- signed a treaty last Friday in Brasilia on the creation of Unasur aimed at boosting economic integration and political cohesion in the region.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022810/posts

Right so what we have here folks, is another common currency between many nations that has been created. Or plans for a common currency that is. The South American Union itself has already been created. And it is modeled after the European Union.

So we now have two Control systems in place for the population of the World. Control the World's economies....and you control the people who live under them.

Whats the quickest way to control the World? I don't know just ask the people who are currently in the process of doing it!

2 Unions folks. Already created. They wanted a European Union. They got it. They wanted a South American Union. They got it. They want a North American Union....they are in the process of creating it. And then they want an Asian/Pacific Union and an African Union.

And let me tell you something folks.......you should be extremely worried. Because once they have all their Unions put together, they will merge them all together, to create a system of total control. where the World's finances are in the hands of a few, and where one single World currency is controlled by corrupt beings with no more care for the World than what you have for your ShI! after you flush it down the toilet.

You think I am joking. They are doing it as we speak. All I can say, is that I hope Americans are smart enough to figure out what they are doing with our economy at the moment. They are purposely trying to bankrupt our entire country, and our government, and many if not almost all of our corporations, so that we all get on our knees and beg for some kind of a quick solution. And folks, they already have the solution ready, because it is they who created the problem!!

They are just waiting for the right moment now where they will launch the idea to the American people of a North American One Continent currency and they are betting the farm that we will accept it as a solution. So PLEASE. PLEASE don't let this happen Americans. Our constitution will be under attack, and eventually declared null and void.

Get the word out. DO SOMETHING. Let people know whats going on. Don't let our country fall apart. Don't let these F!ckers take away our freedoms and gain control over our planet. And it is our planet. It doesn't belong to them. We share it! Don't lose it to Evil. We can't ever let them do it guys. EVER!

OGC

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