EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament: Draft 4 (Final Draft and Confirmation Thread)

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Evangel94
Here is how it will go with this draft thread. You will now spend all the points on however many characters, items, or abilities. you can afford. You can also change your choices in this thread if you are unstastified with what you have chosen.

You must post all your previous choices from the previous drafts when you select your new character. Include any links that go with your character.

Begin Final Drafting.

psycho gundam
I'm good....just want to see what everyone else does shifty

Devil Lance
4 round picks
Level 1 amalgam- 4 points

Power boosting (during prep)- 4 points

Level 1 prep- 1 point

Level 2 knowledge of opponents - 2 points

Previous Picks
Firestorm (Raymond stein combo) - 6 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29

Aquaman With water hand- 4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman

Hawkman (Carter Hall) with claw of horus -4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman

Symmetric Chaos
Karnak - 2
Flash - 6
Superman - 6

Amaglam v2 - 6
Prep Time v2 - 2
Knowledge of the Opposition v2 - 2
Batman - 1 stick out tongue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman

Total 25pts

psycho gundam
just in case:

draft 1-juggernaut-5
draft 2-space gem-10
draft 3-power gem-10
= 25 solid

i want to fight now!

Evangel94
Originally posted by Devil Lance
4 round picks
Level 1 amalgam- 4 points

Power boosting (during prep)- 4 points

Level 1 prep- 1 point

Level 2 knowledge of opponents - 2 points

Previous Picks
Firestorm (Raymond stein combo) - 6 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29

Aquaman With water hand- 4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman

Hawkman (Carter Hall) with claw of horus -4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman

Who are you combining for your amalgam? Also, don't forget to mention whose mind and body it is for the amalgam. And give your amalgam a new name.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Karnak - 2
Flash - 6
Superman - 6

Amaglam v2 - 6
Prep Time v2 - 2
Knowledge of the Opposition v2 - 2
Batman - 1 stick out tongue

Total 25pts

Please name your amalgam and specify whose mind and body you are using.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
Please name your amalgam and specific whose mind and body you are using.

Right-0

psycho gundam
specify

Papa Smurph
Sonia Sato - 2
Kent Nelson - 6 (Body)
Shaggy Man (General) - 6 (Mind)
Amalgam v2 - 6
Prep time v3 - 5

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Evangel94
Who are you combining for your amalgam? Also, don't forget to mention whose mind and body it is for the amalgam. And give your amalgam a new name.


Amalgam
Hawk-Man
Mind/equipment/skills- Hawk man
Body/powers-Aqua man

Evangel94
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Sonia Sato - 2
Kent Nelson - 6 (Body)
Shaggy Man (General) - 6 (Mind)
Amalgam v2 - 6
Prep time v3 - 5

Your choice is valid but links please. Also, please give your amalgam a name.

darthgoober
Amalgam Lv.1 4 pts
Prep Time Lv1. 1 pts

Previous Drafts

Silver Surfer(Body) 6 pts
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer

Super Adaptoid(Mind) 6 pts
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Super-Adaptoid

Power Copying 8 pts

TricksterPriest
I draft.......da Batgod. 313 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman for 1 pt.

And lvl. 3 prep for 5 points.

total points: Metron- 6 Waverider- 6 amalgam lvl 1 - 4 prep lvl 3 - 5 batman- 1

6+6+4+5+1=20.

knowledge of opponents lvl 2 for 2 points.

And for my last pick, I take Rip Hunter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter for 1 point.

total 23 points.

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I draft.......da Batgod. 313 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman for 1 pt.

And lvl. 3 prep for 5 points.

total points: Metron- 6 Waverider- 6 amalgam lvl 1 - 4 prep lvl 3 - 5 batman- 1

6+6+4+5+1=20.

And for my last pick, I take Rip Hunter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter for 1 point.


Symmetric Chaos took Batman before you a few posts up.

darthgoober
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I draft.......da Batgod. 313 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman for 1 pt.

And lvl. 3 prep for 5 points.

total points: Metron- 6 Waverider- 6 amalgam lvl 1 - 4 prep lvl 3 - 5 batman- 1

6+6+4+5+1=20.

knowledge of opponents lvl 2 for 2 points.

And for my last pick, I take Rip Hunter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter for 1 point.

total 23 points.
SC already drafted Batman...

Symmetric Chaos
Amaglam of Flash + Superman + Karnak

Karnak's mind.
Superman's body.

Name:


confused


Peter

Papa Smurph
Sonia Sato - 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judomaster

Kent Nelson - 6 (Body)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Fate

Shaggy Man (General) - 6 (Mind)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wade_Eiling

Amalgam v2 - 6
Prep time v3 - 5


Name?

The Amalgam that just kicked your ass and raped your mother x2.

TricksterPriest
Oops. embarrasment I was busy looking up links. No big deal. I didn't really need him anyways.

Edit: I still get Rip hunter, right? and the knowledge of the opposition?

id369

psycho gundam
12,000,000 AD who makes this stuff up?
people still survive till then?

King Kandy
BFR - 5 points

lvl 2 knowledge of opposition - 2 points

lvl 2 Prep - 2 points

King Kandy
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
6+6+4+5+1=20.
Actually, 6+6+4+5+1=22...

But damnit, you still fit within 25. 25 exactly.

Papa Smurph
New Amalgam

Sonia Sato - 2
Kent Nelson - 6 (Body)
World War Hulk - 6 (Mind)
Prep - 5
Amalgam - 6

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
New Amalgam

Sonia Sato - 2
Kent Nelson - 6 (Body)
World War Hulk - 6 (Mind)
Prep - 5
Amalgam - 6

That is clever.

Papa Smurph
Eh I liked being indestructible and unhittable more

Defense > Offense

King Kandy
Wait, you have the Hulk's mind in the body of a regular human?

BTW, Dr. Strange is my mind and Zoom is my body.

Papa Smurph
Yup Hulk's Mind/Strength/Rage
In Fate's Body which includes the Helm and Amulet

Basically World War Fate

and Amadeous Cho is not going to save you from being broken in half by Hulk and his new found mystical prowess smile

King Kandy
So basically you have:

Hulk's mind with no corresponding Gamma radiation to make it work.

Fate's body without any of the equiptment that comes with the mind category.

Nothing really.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by King Kandy
So basically you have:

Hulk's mind with no corresponding Gamma radiation to make it work.

Nope, I have a merger of Hulk/Fate/Sato

Except Fate's body replaces Hulk's and Hulk's mind has replaced Fate's.

psycho gundam
smurph, I way be wrong but you may want to edit that.
fate has the knowledge.

Papa Smurph
"All amalgams will have full knowledge of how to use all their powers."

King Kandy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Nope, I have a merger of Hulk/Fate/Sato

Except Fate's body replaces Hulk's and Hulk's mind has replaced Fate's.
Exactly.

Fate has no gamma radiation in his body, and Hulk has no mystical powers in his mind.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by King Kandy
Exactly.

Fate has no gamma radiation in his body, and Hulk has no mystical powers in his mind.

Fate having no gamma radiaton just gets rid of the draining tactic. He still contains Hulk's unlimited strength stamina and regenaritive powers.

King Kandy
Do whatever you want. I don't care actually.

Papa Smurph
Are we going to start using common sense and stop picking for loopholes, or do I get to argue that the god's who give Strange his power will not react to Zoom's body?

King Kandy
You could argue that. In fact I am looking forward to you trying to prove that if we have a match.

Papa Smurph
No I couldn't because your amalgam is a merger between Strange and Zoom

Just like how my amalgam is a merger between Sato/Fate/Hulk.

The amalgam's receive all powers from the characters that don't stack.

IOW

My amalgam is Fate's body and magic with Hulk's strength, stamina, regeneration and Sato's aversion field and Hulk controlling the reigns (with complete knowledge of how Fate's magic works as well as Fate and how Sato's field works as well as Sato).

but I hope that when you vote for matches you don't decide who wins based on manipulating the rules to your liking.

King Kandy
Apparently you didn't hear me when I said I was not interested in debating this subject.

Papa Smurph
I don't really care if you're interested in debate or not, you've pointed out a rule that doesn't exist and goes against what an amalgam is. I'ma need clarification from Evangel.

Soljer
This the draft thread. Go argue this where it belongs;
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=477386&pagenumber=21#post10231973

Tony Stark
Well I'm hoping that this tournament does still go forward... I think that Eva has done a very admirable job of creating a tournament that actually makes people think a little more than most I think are used to. And unfortunately some aren't exactly collective while giving their 2 cents about potential snags or parts of the tourney that were still being molded.

Again I hoping that Eva decides to brush off the debris and carry on. That being said...


I'm making an adjustment to my picks...

Dr. Doom (616) 4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Doom
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Doom_(Victor_von_Doom)
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Doctor_Doom_%28Victor_von_Doom%29

The Gladiator "Kallark" (616) 6 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_%28Kallark%29
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_%28Kallark%29

Amalgam lvl. 1 4 points
Prep time lvl. 1 1 point
Prep time lvl. 3 5 points
Knowledge of opposition lvl. 3 5 points

25 points


Doom (mind/armor)
Gladiator (Body)

psycho gundam
exactly, put your massive ego's aside for this one in her honor.

SmurphSmash!
Deadman- 4 pts
Mogo- 6 pts
Drtzky RRR- 6 pts
The Atom- 4 pts

Amalgamation- The Atom's mind and Mogo's body for 4 pts

Amalgamation name: ... I'll think of something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman

Oh, and I'll get prep lvl 1 for 1 extra point.

Tony Stark
Shoot... I forgot about an Amalgamation name. I think this one is obvious.

DR. DOOMINATOR (In the voice of Arnold Schwarzenegger)

MooooooHaaaHaaa!!!

King Kandy
I'm curious as to what you think Deadman's going to do...

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm curious as to what you think Deadman's going to do...

Well there is one thing but it seems like a huge stretch of the rules.

DigiMark007
Yeah, what are his limits on possession? Because that seem too much like a OHK and/or mind control.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, what are his limits on possession? Because that seem too much like a OHK and/or mind control.


yes


I concur

Evangel94
Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Deadman- 4 pts
Mogo- 6 pts
Drtzky RRR- 6 pts
The Atom- 4 pts

Amalgamation- The Atom's mind and Mogo's body for 4 pts

Amalgamation name: ... I'll think of something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman

Oh, and I'll get prep lvl 1 for 1 extra point.

He's pretty obscure, but what I've of him, he is jumping into old ladies and fat security guards, nothing to indicate he is on the level of possessing a herald. I guess thats the risk you take when you draft obscure characters.

King Kandy
Possession wouldn't be allowed anyway, it's clearly mind-control.

Evangel94
I need everyone who has to post their complete list of choices in this thread in a clear and easy to read manner with and all links going with them.

DigiMark007
So far:

The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

...

I'm adding Power Boost (4) and Prep Lv. 1 (1) as well.

Total (so far): 18

I have a couple more to add, but need to check on a few things first. They'll be in by the end of the day.

....

As for the Doctor, Stacks' universe-creation claim was incorrect, Classic Strange is roughly his equal and is being allowed for 6 points, and I'd remind everyone that he might not get wins in a heads-up match against Classic Strange, Fate, Mogo, possibly even my own Thor. And a lot of his "deus ex machina" powers are only available through purchases that are too expensive for me to afford. If anyone has further complaints, I'm willing to discuss it, but that should lay the matter to rest.

Creshosk
Bethany Cabe x], Betty Banner x], Catwoman x], Black Widow x], Elektra x], Gwen Stacy x], Gwenny Lou Sabuki x], Harley Quinn x], Jubilee x], Lady Shiva x], Lana Lang x], Lois Lane x], Mary Jane Watson x], Talia al Ghul x], Tana Moon x], Sara Grey x], Valerie Cooper x] -17

Empath x] -2
Mind Control -5
Prep- 1


Each is a link to a biography for the character that precedes it.

DigiMark007
Is Jubilee really a 1? Seeing her in with MJ and company just seems odd.

Otherwise, lulz. Now I want to draft MN'er or Ultimate Colossus or something and be like "I am immune to your boobs!"

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Is Jubilee really a 1? Seeing her in with MJ and company just seems odd.

Otherwise, lulz. Now I want to draft MN'er or Ultimate Colossus or something and be like "I am immune to your boobs!"

I believe he chose the depowered version of Jubliee with no powers.

Creshosk
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Is Jubilee really a 1? Seeing her in with MJ and company just seems odd.

Otherwise, lulz. Now I want to draft MN'er or Ultimate Colossus or something and be like "I am immune to your boobs!" I'm using the depowered version of her. Hence the link pointing to the entry on Decimation on her bio. And no I'm not using Wondra or the tech she has access to.

King Kandy
Professor Zoom -6 points
Dr. Strange (drafted as classic.) -6 points

Amalgam Level 1 - 4 points
BFR - 5 points
Prep Time level 2 - 2 points
Knowledge of the opposition level 2 -2 points

DigiMark007
I remembered that I'm taking my cpu in for work today, and going to the library later would be annoying, so I have to post everything right now.

The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

As for the Doctor, Stacks' universe-creation claim was incorrect, Classic Strange is roughly his equal and is being allowed for 6 points, and I'd remind everyone that he might not get wins in a heads-up match against Classic Strange, Fate, Mogo, possibly even my own Thor. And a lot of his "deus ex machina" powers are only available through purchases that are too expensive for me to afford. If anyone has further complaints, I'm willing to discuss it, but that should lay the matter to rest.

pr1983
guys, please keep the amalgam discussions for the matches themselves... if you are going to insist on arguing, please use the discussion thread, or talk to evangel, but this is a draft thread, so use it for what its made for please...

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Creshosk
Bethany Cabe x], Betty Banner x], Catwoman x], Black Widow x], Elektra x], Gwen Stacy x], Gwenny Lou Sabuki x], Harley Quinn x], Jubilee x], Lady Shiva x], Lana Lang x], Lois Lane x], Mary Jane Watson x], Talia al Ghul x], Tana Moon x], Sara Grey x], Valerie Cooper x] -17

Empath x] -2
Mind Control -5
Prep- 1


Each is a link to a biography for the character that precedes it.


crylaugh

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Creshosk
Bethany Cabe x], Betty Banner x], Catwoman x], Black Widow x], Elektra x], Gwen Stacy x], Gwenny Lou Sabuki x], Harley Quinn x], Jubilee x], Lady Shiva x], Lana Lang x], Lois Lane x], Mary Jane Watson x], Talia al Ghul x], Tana Moon x], Sara Grey x], Valerie Cooper x] -17

Empath x] -2
Mind Control -5
Prep- 1


Each is a link to a biography for the character that precedes it.

Can't wait to see how this will work.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Creshosk
Bethany Cabe x], Betty Banner x], Catwoman x], Black Widow x], Elektra x], Gwen Stacy x], Gwenny Lou Sabuki x], Harley Quinn x], Jubilee x], Lady Shiva x], Lana Lang x], Lois Lane x], Mary Jane Watson x], Talia al Ghul x], Tana Moon x], Sara Grey x], Valerie Cooper x] -17

Empath x] -2
Mind Control -5
Prep- 1


Each is a link to a biography for the character that precedes it. oooo the can't hit a girl ploy, not bad. superman is very swayed by that.

by the way, those guys that got their picks denied should pick new stuff before time runs out.

psycho gundam
24 minutes before you get kicked mr. b and cap spald

Blair Wind
Originally posted by psycho gundam
24 minutes before you get kicked mr. b and cap spald


They were never gonna show anyways erm

psycho gundam
eek! evil face

Evangel94

DigiMark007
Oh, you missed my most recent update (well before the deadline). Lemme repost it. Because the one in the above post is incomplete.


The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

{edit} Why was Doctor banned? Especially when Strange wasn't. No one even really made a case against him, besides some erroneous assumptions from Stacks when I first drafted him.

Symmetric Chaos
I confirm my selection.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Oh, you missed my most recent update (well before the deadline). Lemme repost it. Because the one in the above post is incomplete.


The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

Evangel's making you repick for the Doctor.

DigiMark007
Saw that. Edited my post at the bottom. I haven't seen one clear argument against him from anyone, so it's a bit of a shock. Mogo was debated for pages on end, so at least with something like that Smurph had ample opportunity to ponder the possibility of him gettign banned. I'd like to at least know why he's above Strange, or how he is above herald when he's stripped of the stuff that I can't afford to purchase. I'm not in the business of complaining for the sake of it, but I'd at least like to see the justification for it.

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Saw that. Edited my post at the bottom. I haven't seen one clear argument against him from anyone, so it's a bit of a shock. Mogo was debated for pages on end, so at least with something like that Smurph had ample opportunity to ponder the possibility of him gettign banned. I'd like to at least know why he's above Strange, or how he is above herald when he's stripped of the stuff that I can't afford to purchase. I'm not in the business of complaining for the sake of it, but I'd at least like to see the justification for it.

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/doctor.htm

According to this link:

"The Doctor can do virtually anything if he puts his mind to it. He is capable of transforming living matter and teleporting people at a thought. On one occasion he even held Italy stationery while the rest of the Earth continued to move, causing it to vanish under the Mediterranean.

The latest Doctor is actually a great deal more powerful than Doctors past; he describes himself as the first Doctor and the last Doctor (apparently he has all the memories of Doctors past in addition to his own). No reason seems to have been given why he is so much more powerful than his predecessors. "

Its still pretty unclear about his level of power, and I am not familiar with him, so I have to assume to maximum for his power. IE Bending Reality to his whim. And Dr. Strange is not drafted as "classic". Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I simply am trying to address all questionable choices.

EDIT:
I am using this as a benchmark for Herald level. If your character can beat, before succumbing to the rules of the tournament, without any preparation, in an impromptu battle, a full out Silver Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Thor, or Loki individually, then they are above Herald level.

DigiMark007
Bending reality is banned, and costs about 20 pts. And I was never clear as to how "reality manip" is different than organic and/or inorganic matter manip (the former of which is also banned and too expensive, and the former of which we've discussed in PMs). The distinction seems nonexistent, and I'm not even sure what reality manip. means.

As for the rest, teleporting (so is NC'er banned?), telekinesis (the Italy feat)...how is holding Italy in place for a few seconds > planet busting?

Yeah, he's powerful. But he's a herald-type magic user that has most of his >> herald stuff blocked because of the purchases.

If he's banned, that's fine. I'll accept it willingly. But it's still a bit of a blindside since there was no discussion whatsoever on him, and as such I never really had a chance to defend him as a pick.

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Bending reality is banned, and costs about 20 pts. And I was never clear as to how "reality manip" is different than organic and/or inorganic matter manip (the former of which is also banned and too expensive, and the former of which we've discussed in PMs). The distinction seems nonexistent, and I'm not even sure what reality manip. means.

As for the rest, teleporting (so is NC'er banned?), telekinesis (the Italy feat)...how is holding Italy in place for a few seconds > planet busting?

Yeah, he's powerful. But he's a herald-type magic user that has most of his >> herald stuff blocked because of the purchases.

If he's banned, that's fine. I'll accept it willingly. But it's still a bit of a blindside since there was no discussion whatsoever on him, and as such I never really had a chance to defend him as a pick.

Well, here is your chance to defend him. If he basically just the Dr. Strange of the wildstorm universe, then keep him. However, it may hurt you to use him in the future since he is an obscure character, and I haven't seen any scans of him. It's really hard when a character isn't as well known.

I am using this as a benchmark for Herald level. If your character can beat, before succumbing to the rules of the tournament, without any preparation, in an impromptu battle, a full out Silver Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Thor, or Loki individually, then they are above Herald level.

EDIT: I am not picking on you, or anyone else. I am simply addressing all characters that I even received one complaint about in one fell swoop. Tournament matches at the very least won't start until the middle/late of the upcoming week so you have time to make a quick change.

Blair Wind
Evangel, how can anyone buy reality warp? What characters in the Herald level class can reality warp? Honest question.

DigiMark007
Christ. I have 2 minutes left on a library computer because mine ahs a virus and is in the shop. I can't until probably tomorrow. More reason why these things should be discussed before announced, but I ca defend him sometime soon (hopefully).

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Christ. I have 2 minutes left on a library computer because mine ahs a virus and is in the shop. I can't until probably tomorrow. More reason why these things should be discussed before announced, but I ca defend him sometime soon (hopefully).

Then you get extra time to choose. Don't worry.

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Christ. I have 2 minutes left on a library computer because mine ahs a virus and is in the shop. I can't until probably tomorrow. More reason why these things should be discussed before announced, but I ca defend him sometime soon (hopefully).

If he is basically just Dr. Strange/Dr. Fate/Loki/Baron Mordu of the wildstorm universe, then keep him. I only received one complaint about his link being ambiguous, so I'd rather just get clarification from you just to be clear. Links can sometimes be deceptive.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
Well, here is your chance to defend him. If he basically just the Dr. Strange of the wildstorm universe, then keep him. However, it may hurt you to use him in the future since he is an obscure character, and I haven't seen any scans of him. It's really hard when a character isn't as well known.

I am using this as a benchmark for Herald level. If your character can beat, before succumbing to the rules of the tournament, without any preparation, in an impromptu battle, a full out Silver Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Thor, or Loki individually, then they are above Herald level.

EDIT: I am not picking on you, or anyone else. I am simply addressing all characters that I even received one complaint about in one fell swoop. Tournament matches at the very least won't start until the middle/late of the upcoming week so you have time to make a quick change.

The Doctor isn't that obscure around here.

I hope I'm not being stepping on any toes but this might help some:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t456443.html

The Doctor's main entry is about half way down the page.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Doctor isn't that obscure around here.

I hope I'm not being stepping on any toes but this might help some:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t456443.html

The Doctor's main entry is about half way down the page.

Well based on those, links, he doesn't seem above Herald level. Thanks for the impute. smile

lol, Digimark why didn't you just post a link to the scans you posted of the Doctor?


If there is nothing else, and everything is settled, I'd like everyone to simply confirm their choices, and I will start creating a schedule.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Devil Lance
My team
Firestorm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29
(Raymond/ Stein Combo) - 6 points

Level 1 Amalgam - 4 points
King Hawk
composed of
Hawkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman
(Carter Hall with claw of Horus) 4 points Mind - Carter's fighting skills, nth metal, claw of horrus, hawk man suit , other standard equipment, memories of his other lives

Aquaman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman
(Orin with water hand) 4 points Body- strength, durabilty, senses, speed, reflexes, water hand, telepathy, etc etc

prep level 1 - 1 point + power boosting during prep 4 points + level 2 knowledge of opponents 2 points

6+4+4++4+4+2+1=25

this is my final team I confirm it

TricksterPriest
I confirm mine.

Metron, 6 pts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metron_%28comics%29

Waverider, 6pts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverider_%28comics%29

Rip Hunter, 1pt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter

amalgam lvl 1 2pts

prep time lvl 3 5pts

power boosting 4 pts (if that's ok, I just realized I had points left over)

And that's it.

Soljer
laughing

Dr. Fate and Strange are fair game, but The Doctor gets banned?

laughing.

id369

Evangel94
Originally posted by Soljer
laughing

Dr. Fate and Strange are fair game, but The Doctor gets banned?

laughing.

He isn't banned. no expression

Evangel94
If everything is absolutely settled, then i will post schedules either tonight or monday.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
If everything is absolutely settled, then i will post schedules either tonight or monday.

Smurph is still repicking for Mogo, isn't he?

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
If everything is absolutely settled, then i will post schedules either tonight or monday.
Aren't we still waiting on Smurph?

Evangel94
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Smurph is still repicking for Mogo, isn't he?

Hmm....that he is. Well, once he officially announces who he chooses, then I begin to schedule everyone.

-Evangel94

Tony Stark
The Doominator is confirmed

evil face alien

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Evangel94
Well based on those, links, he doesn't seem above Herald level. Thanks for the impute. smile

lol, Digimark why didn't you just post a link to the scans you posted of the Doctor?


If there is nothing else, and everything is settled, I'd like everyone to simply confirm their choices, and I will start creating a schedule.

K.

I just want everyone to know that I'm not trying to bend the rules. But I appreciate the consideration. I'll be making use of pretty much all of Habib's powers other than organic matter manip, time manip, BFR, and anything else that might be banned and that I didn't buy. But once those things are stripped from him he's not above the top heralds.

Of course, paired correctly there's fun things to be done with him, but that's part of the team-building process, not The Doctor alone.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by DigiMark007
K.

I just want everyone to know that I'm not trying to bend the rules. But I appreciate the consideration. I'll be making use of pretty much all of Habib's powers other than organic matter manip, time manip, BFR, and anything else that might be banned and that I didn't buy. But once those things are stripped from him he's not above the top heralds.

Of course, paired correctly there's fun things to be done with him, but that's part of the team-building process, not The Doctor alone.

Does Habib even have all that many feats?

darthgoober
Sorry if this has been addressed and I missed it, but will there be a limit to the number of post everyone can make?

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sorry if this has been addressed and I missed it, but will there be a limit to the number of post everyone can make?

There is no limit on the number of you posts you can make for a battle. However, the battle itself will only last up until the next battle is posted. There will be one battle per day Monday to Friday. No Battles on the weekends.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
There is no limit on the number of you posts you can make for a battle. However, the battle itself will only last up until the next battle is posted. There will be one battle per day Monday to Friday. No Battles on the weekends.
And you said that there's a 1,000 character limit on the opening post right?

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
And you said that there's a 1,000 character limit on the opening post right?

Yes, including any links. The opening post is basically your write-up. It should clear, concise, and as understandable as possible. I don't want people basically just repeating what respect threads say in one long massive huge post that is pages long for their write-up.

After, both you and your opponent post have posted their write-ups, there is no post limit after on any subsequent posts. Refrain from any debating until both write-ups have been posted. If an opponent chooses not to create a write-up, then that is their choice (however it may hurt you).

I swear, if I have to read a "wall of text", I am going to get a headache. So, paragraphs PLEASE people. They are your friend. If posts become excessively long (ie pages and pages of links), then I reserve the right to put a limit on each post. Probably the same as the opening post. 800 to 1000 characters. However I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. Just don't give me a headache.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Does Habib even have all that many feats?

The Doctor has the knowledge of all the Doctors that came before him, so Jeroen's feats are valid.

And that's fairly short for a writeup, considering KMC's limit is 10K for a post. I'll have to just give a summary in my writeup, then include the details in my first post.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The Doctor has the knowledge of all the Doctors that came before him, so Jeroen's feats are valid.

Accursed details.

darthgoober
Has Trick assigned a mind and body to his amalgam yet?

TricksterPriest
Can I wait till my match? or do I have to declare it now?

psycho gundam
now

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Can I wait till my match? or do I have to declare it now?

You have to declare it now. That goes for everyone.

TricksterPriest
Okie dokie. Metron is mind, Waverider is body. that means I get Metron's stuff, and Waverider's powers, right?

Also, the prep areas are declared, or do I get a combined area from all my guys?

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Okie dokie. Metron is mind, Waverider is body. that means I get Metron's stuff, and Waverider's powers, right?

Also, the prep areas are declared, or do I get a combined area from all my guys?

I....

Hold on..........let me get this straight.



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Since you haven't named him I will..."Wavetron"

Combination of

Metron - (No Chair) (Mind) 6 Points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metron_%28comics%29
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/tommorrow/M/Metron.htm
and
Waverider - (Body) 6 Points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverider_(comics)

Amalgam, Lv. 1: A combination of two characters - 4 points

Rip Hunter. - 1 Point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter

Prep Time, Lv. 3: Thirty-six(36) hours spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab - 5 points
Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points - 4 points

Total: 21 Points

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Also, the prep areas are declared, or do I get a combined area from all my guys?

Good question. I was wondering the same thing.


Evangel, do we get access to resources owned by our characters (and amalgam components)

Evangel94
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Good question. I was wondering the same thing.


Evangel, do we get access to resources owned by our characters (and amalgam components)

What are you referring to exactly?

At most, you can buy
Prep Time, Lv. 3: Thirty-six(36) hours spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab - 5 points

You would have to choose which. It would make sense of course to choose a lab that most suits your character.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Evangel94
I....

Hold on..........let me get this straight.



--------------------------------------------------------------------
Since you haven't named him I will..."Wavetron"

Combination of

Metron - (No Chair) (Mind) 6 Points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metron_%28comics%29
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/tommorrow/M/Metron.htm
and
Waverider - (Body) 6 Points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverider_(comics)

Amalgam, Lv. 1: A combination of two characters - 4 points

Rip Hunter. - 1 Point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Hunter

Prep Time, Lv. 3: Thirty-six(36) hours spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab - 5 points
Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points - 4 points

Total: 21 Points

Yeah, that looks about right. add in knowledge of the opposition lvl 2 for 2 more points.

my guy has another name that I'll use later. but Wavetron will do for now.

psycho gundam
oh no, here we go again...........

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
What are you referring to exactly?

During prep do characters work in a generic "lab or mystic sanctum" or do they work with the resources they would have.

ie Batcave, Fantastic Four's Lab, Fortress of Solitude, Sanctum Sanctorum and so on.

TricksterPriest
We should get resources of all guys IMO. or at least a designated guy.

psycho gundam
just don't make like a ....ultimate nullifier Gatling cannon

Evangel94
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
During prep do characters work in a generic "lab or mystic sanctum" or do they work with the resources they would have.

ie Batcave, Fantastic Four's Lab, Fortress of Solitude, Sanctum Sanctorum and so on.

"Generic" versions of both the lab and sanctum. Also let me remind everyone...

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Evangel94
"Generic" versions of Both. Also let me remind everyone...

AHEM. Do they have resources the character would normally have? IE: in my case, New God technology.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Evangel94
"Generic" versions of Both. Also let me remind everyone... What all do they have?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
"Generic" versions of both the lab and sanctum. Also let me remind everyone...

Define well stocked.

Hate to be anal about this but if we're going to prep with people like Batman and . . . others, we need to know what's conceivable.

Evangel94
Ok, I see where this is going....

Let me say that if your character, if they choose to buy the necessary prep, will get the lab or sanctum they are most familiar with.

For example,

If you have Iron Man you can choose Tony Stark's workshop.
If you have Reed Richards, you can choose the Fantastic Four's Lab.
If you have Batman, you can choose the Batcave.
If you have Dr. Strange, you can choose the Sanctum Sanctorium.

If you have two characters (or an amalgam) on a team, ie Batman and Dr. Strange, then you must decide whether you want to prep in the Batcave or Sanctum Sanctorium. You can choose only one for the entire duration of the prep, and you cannot switch once you have declared which. No switching.

Also, the same rules still apply.

Originally posted by Evangel94

#3 The scientific lab and the mystic sanctum for prep are well equipped, but they do not house endless resources, e.g., building a giant attack craft or a huge army of robots.

So no huge army of robot batmen, or huge army of Iron Man drones. The lab will be well equipped for your team, and nothing more.

-Evangel94

darthgoober
Edit

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Evangel94
Ok, I see where this is going....

Let me say that if your character, if they choose to buy the necessary prep, will get the lab or sanctum they are most familiar with.

For example,

If you have Iron Man you can choose Tony Stark's workshop.
If you have Reed Richards, you can choose the Fantastic Four's Lab.
If you have Batman, you can choose the Batcave.
If you have Dr. Strange, you can choose the Sanctum Sanctorium.

If you have two characters (or an amalgam) on a team, ie Batman and Dr. Strange, then you must decide whether you want to prep in the Batcave or Sanctum Sanctorium. You can choose only one for the entire duration of the prep, and you cannot switch once you have declared which. No switching.

Also, the same rules still apply.



So no huge army of robot batmen, or huge army of Iron Man drones. The lab will be well equipped for your team, and nothing more.

-Evangel94

thumb up

Sounds good.

King Kandy
Well exactly what sort of equipment can be expected for the labs? You tell us they are "well-stocked" but it's really not possible to know what [plans will work if you don't tell us the limits.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
Ok, I see where this is going....

Let me say that if your character, if they choose to buy the necessary prep, will get the lab or sanctum they are most familiar with.

For example,

If you have Iron Man you can choose Tony Stark's workshop.
If you have Reed Richards, you can choose the Fantastic Four's Lab.
If you have Batman, you can choose the Batcave.
If you have Dr. Strange, you can choose the Sanctum Sanctorium.

If you have two characters (or an amalgam) on a team, ie Batman and Dr. Strange, then you must decide whether you want to prep in the Batcave or Sanctum Sanctorium. You can choose only one for the entire duration of the prep, and you cannot switch once you have declared which. No switching.

Also, the same rules still apply.



So no huge army of robot batmen, or huge army of Iron Man drones. The lab will be well equipped for your team, and nothing more.

-Evangel94
I don't know if it's such a good idea for prep to be handled that way because of your point system. Think about it, Reed Richards is what a 2 point character? In a "generic" lab where he can't access his uber devices the point cost of a half an hour allows him to do quite a bit but is still proportional to the total pt cost paid for him. On the other hand, stick Reed Richards in the Baxter Building for a half hour and suddenly he gets a major power jump because of all the things that are already on hand that he doesn't have to spend time building...

Same thing goes for guys like Batman, Dr. Doom, etc.

id369
Hush you, I approve of prep locale 100%. >_>

http://www.radicalplay.com/socca/end.html
And normally stacked, as in no pre prepared items or specific one time devices at hand.

Papa Smurph
Would this mean that Ult Richards can bring his cosmic cube to battle?

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't know if it's such a good idea for prep to be handled that way because of your point system. Think about it, Reed Richards is what a 2 point character? In a "generic" lab where he can't access his uber devices the point cost of a half an hour allows him to do quite a bit but is still proportional to the total pt cost paid for him. On the other hand, stick Reed Richards in the Baxter Building for a half hour and suddenly he gets a major power jump because of all the things that are already on hand that he doesn't have to spend time building...

Same thing goes for guys like Batman, Dr. Doom, etc.

Hmm...you have a point there.

What if I limited it to a "recreation" or "copy" of their lab or sanctum, minus any uber devices that are normally there. If they want their uber devices, they must build it from scratch within prep.

darthgoober
Originally posted by id369
Hush you, I approve of prep locale 100%. >_>

http://www.radicalplay.com/socca/end.html
And normally stacked, as in no pre prepared items or specific one time devices at hand.
Well see I could go right along with it if we took out the pre-made devices, but Dr. Doom already HAS an army of Doombots at his disposal and without that clause there's nothing stopping him from bringing every freakin one of them to the battle ALONG with whatever new stuff he build during prep.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well see I could go right along with it if we took out the pre-made devices, but Dr. Doom already HAS an army of Doombots at his disposal and without that clause there's nothing stopping him from bringing every freakin one of them to the battle ALONG with whatever new stuff he build during prep.

Aw crap. That's a good point.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
Hmm...you have a point there.

What if I limited it to a "recreation" or "copy" of their lab or sanctum, minus any uber devices that are normally there. If they want their uber devices, they must build it from scratch within prep.
I think that would probably work best truth be told. That way there's no question as to whether or not it's possible for them to build something they've already built(because they obviously have the equipment) but it keeps them from having instant access 30 years of specialized prepped equipment that's already laying around their lab.

TricksterPriest
IMO, that's the price you pay for drafting prep guys. I have no problem with full prep abilities. That's what prep means.

darthgoober
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
IMO, that's the price you pay for drafting prep guys. I have no problem with full prep abilities. That's what prep means.
But the point cost doesn't reflect that because the point cost was set for a "generic" lab. If we allow pre-made devices then the point cost for lab prep should go up significantly to balance out what you're getting for the cost.

Evangel94
Announcement

I am limiting prep-zones to a "recreation" or "copy" of their lab or sanctum, minus any uber devices that are normally there. If they want their uber devices, they must build it from scratch within their prep-time.

Also, adding this rule to prep:

You get the prep-zone only one time up to 36 hours (if you choose to buy that level of prep) before the battle starts. Once you leave the prep zone, back to the battlefield, you cannot return to the prep-zone. No going back and forth between the battlefield and prep-zone over and over again.

-Evangel94

Papa Smurph
There should just be a cap put on the tech.

TricksterPriest
I'll agree to paying a few extra points for more prep options. Hell, I'd drop a few of my purchases to get that.

SmurphSmash!
I think we should be given a certain lab, preexisting within the MU, as our prep.

Like the Baxter Building or something, but probably less uber.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
I think we should be given a certain lab, preexisting within the MU, as our prep.

Like the Baxter Building or something, but probably less uber.

Hell nah. if you draft an uber prep guy, they should get their uber prep area. thumb down

darthgoober
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'll agree to paying a few extra points for more prep options. Hell, I'd drop a few of my purchases to get that.
Yes well you still have points to spare so I can see how you'd feel that way, but for everybody else it would mean revamping their whole damn strategy to adjust for the added cost. We'd have to all but start the drafting over and I'm pretty sure everyone would rather just move forward.

And the uber tech of Reed, Doom, and Metron wouldn't be an increase of a couple of points, that'd be like a 10 pt purchase...

Papa Smurph
Just put a cap on the tech.

Nothing above Iron-Man's armor.

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes well you still have points to spare so I can see how you'd feel that way, but for everybody else it would mean revamping their whole damn strategy to adjust for the added cost. We'd have to all but start the drafting over and I'm pretty sure everyone would rather just move forward.

LOL, laughing

I like what you said before I refreshed the page. It sounded more honest wink

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
LOL, laughing

I like what you said before I refreshed the page. It sounded more honest wink
I decided it'd be better to avoid starting another major argument for you to have to deal with...

Evangel94
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Just put a cap on the tech.

Nothing above Iron-Man's armor.

The cap on technology is what your character can conceivably build, from scratch, depending on the level of prep you buy, and the intelligence of your character. It is up to you to convince the voters if you are capable of doing it within that period of time.

Evangel94
Well it looks like the schedule will be posted tomorrow instead of today, and matches will be pushed back on day. I believe one person still needs to draft. I am sure they will be able to figure out something by tomorrow.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
Announcement

I am limiting prep-zones to a "recreation" or "copy" of their lab or sanctum, minus any uber devices that are normally there. If they want their uber devices, they must build it from scratch within their prep-time.

Also, adding this rule to prep:

You get the prep-zone only one time up to 36 hours (if you choose to buy that level of prep) before the battle starts. Once you leave the prep zone, back to the battlefield, you cannot return to the prep-zone. No going back and forth between the battlefield and prep-zone over and over again.

-Evangel94
Just what counts as an uber device?

darthgoober
Originally posted by King Kandy
Just what counts as an uber device?
Anything that can considerably amps the characters power beyond the norm. If you want something like that, you have to start from scratch.

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
Anything that can considerably amps the characters power beyond the norm. If you want something like that, you have to start from scratch.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. thumb up

Anyway guys, this discussion is meant for the discussion thread. Let's leave this draft thread for draft information only.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Just put a cap on the tech.

Nothing above Iron-Man's armor.



laughing


For those that chose to draft a "Prep" guy and then chose to purchase prep time for said character, that character should be able to do whatever they can do and or create in the allotted time available to them... Lab/Sanctum whatever same difference.

Characters shouldn't be handicapped just because they are effective, efficient and advanced "Prep" guys.

Most of the "Prep" characters are brought into the status they are in their respective worlds MARVEL/DC because of it... Now your saying that they can only do BLAH... And no more. That's crap!

There is definitely a pecking order for "Prep" guys but all characters have prep time available to them, whether it's 15 min, 1hr, 36hrs whatever a character can accomplish in that time frame is whatever they can accomplish... Period. Some can do more, some can do less but, prep is out there for all to use if you choose.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Would this mean that Ult Richards can bring his cosmic cube to battle?

I only have Lv. 1 prep, which is on the battlefield. So I don't have access to his lab.

...

And an iron man cap on tech in a tourney where people could have drafted Galactus?! Please.

id369
My lv 2 prep time takes place in the Xavier Institute. Am I violating the prep rules?

Evangel94
Originally posted by id369
My lv 2 prep time takes place in the Xavier Institute. Am I violating the prep rules?

Where in the Xavier Institute? Training Rooms? Danger Room?

-Evangel94

DigiMark007
My prep's on the battlefield. Im gonna set booby-traps!

shifty

hehehe...BOOBY-traps.

DigiMark007
Re-posting for confirmation:

The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

Team name, theme music, etc. pending.

illadelph12
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Re-posting for confirmation:

The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

Team name, theme music, etc. pending.

laughing

Tony Stark
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Re-posting for confirmation:

The Doctor (6)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Wildstorm)#Habib_Ben_Hassan

Lex Luthor (1)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Lex_Luthor_%28New_Earth%29

Thor (6)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Ultimate Reed Richards (2)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic_(Ultimate)

...

Power Boost (4)
Prep Lv. 1 (1)
Spying on Opponent (5)

Total: 25

....

Team name, theme music, etc. pending.



Mind, Body...etc...?


confused

Creshosk
Originally posted by DigiMark007
My prep's on the battlefield. Im gonna set booby-traps!

shifty

hehehe...BOOBY-traps. Heh...

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