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On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.Why I Believe in the Resurrection
by Chip Ingram The answer to these questions begins with one central block, one foundation. If this central block is true, we’re set – if it is false, everything we believe in Christianity is a hoax. That central block is the resurrection.The validity of our faith is held up by the intellectual feasibility of the resurrection. Put simply, if Christ didn’t die on the cross and come alive again three days later, our faith is worthless. Think I’m being over zealous? Consider what the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:13-14, “But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain, your faith is also in vain.” The writers of scripture say that if the resurrection – the literal physical bodily resurrection of Jesus – isn’t true, Christianity doesn’t hold water. Why I Believe in the Resurrection briefly highlights six reasons why the resurrection is true and ultimately why we can put our faith in Jesus.One: The Historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is AirtighDid He really exist? Did that really happen? Or is this like King Arthur? Is it myth, legend, or did Jesus of Nazareth historically live in space and time and walk upon the earth? The reality of His historicity is airtight. The quality and quantity of the biblical manuscripts as well as first century Greek documents overwhelmingly demonstrate that He actually lived.The New Testament is built on history. An example of this history stems from Luke 2:2 where we learn that at the time of Jesus’ birth a census was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. In the last 30 years an archeologist has found a coin with the name Quirinius on it placing him as proconsul of Syria from 11 B.C. until after the death of Herod – confirming Luke’s account (Luke 2:1-2). In the last thirty years archeologists have one after the other, after the other found specific archeological facts validating people in New Testament times. For example, in the gospel of John the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-15), the Pool of Siloam (John 9:7), Jacob’s Well (John 4:12) and the Stone Pavement near the Jaffa Gate (John 19:13) have all been located.Two: The Works of Jesus Went Unchallenged Stories and miracles; feeding five thousand people, raising people from the dead, lame men walking, blind men seeking, that’s pretty far out stuff, did Jesus really do that? One of the most important things to note is that Jesus’ miracles were never disputed by his foes. His number one archenemy, the Jewish establishment, never claimed that His miracles ceased to occur. They attested to the feats Jesus had done, however they attributed His power to Satan (Matthew 12:24). Yet, Jesus disputed their claim immediately, saying, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:25-26).
They never questioned the validity they only questioned the source; and Jesus knew how to deal with it. Boy, that’s powerful! He was making outrageous claims and He backed His statements up with miracles – power over nature, unprecedented teaching, divine insights into people, etc. He healed chronic illnesses in mere seconds, such as blindness and leprosy.Three: The Identity of Jesus Was Confirmed The third reason I believe that Jesus rose from the dead is the identity of Jesus was confirmed. Not only do we need to ask did He really exist? Did He do those works? But you have to ask, who did He claim to be? Did Jesus think He was God? Yes, He did, and not only did Jesus believe that He was God, but throughout the New Testament others refer to Him as God.
Jesus said, (John 14:6). He also said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father” (John 14:9). It was clear that Jesus knew who He was and He was absolutely comfortable communicating about His deity to others.

Four: The Death of Jesus Was Undisputed One of the central arguments used by critics claims that Jesus didn’t die. They argue that He was given special herbs and spices and it only appeared as though He had died or that He had faked His death. Theories such as these are just not possible. In The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel interviews Dr. Alexander Metherell on the evidence behind the crucifixion. The details are gory and, at the same time, remarkable. Much of the following information is taken from that interview. The night before His death, Jesus stayed up all night praying in the garden of Gethsemane. He was under such stress that a medical abnormality caused by a high degree of psychological stress called, hematidrosis occurred – Jesus sweat blood. Luke 22:44 reads, “And, being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” Flogging involves the use of a whip made of rawhide. In the middle of the rawhide are steel-like balls and at the very end of the rawhide are pieces of bone. The Roman executioners would put them on a pole and when flogging they would swing it so it would wrap around the body. The balls would hit and cause major contusions to the organs and then the pieces of bone would cut into the flesh. As it was pulled away it would rip the flesh right off. Thirty-nine lashes was the legal limit because few individuals ever lived past thirty-nine lashes. Jesus received all thirty-nine and was within an inch of his life when the Roman guards beat Him with their fists. He’s up all night, He’s within an inch of His life, and then He gets beat up. He’s in such a weakened condition that He can hardly carry the beam of His own cross, and then He was crucified (Matthew 27). Crucifixion causes a person to die from suffocation rather than pain. As the criminal’s arms were up on the cross the executioners would bend his legs and put a nail between both ankles so that he could push up with his legs and pull himself up, but as he hung his arms would quickly dislocate.Then tetanus would begin to happen and his arms would start to freeze. The criminal would pull himself up, as his internal organs would begin to slide down. Trying to get a breath compensated the pain of pulling himself up and he would ultimately suffocate. It has been called historically one of the cruelest forms of torture and death ever devised. If that’s not enough, they didn’t break Jesus’ legs to ensure that He was dead, they instead took a spear and they gashed into His side, and what’s interesting is that it says when they gashed His side water and blood came out (John 19:34). Five: The Burial of Jesus Was Public and Secured
As the evidence for Jesus’ divinity mounts critics try to disprove as many theories as they can. The two most popular stories critics use to invalidate the resurrection are that the disciples went to the wrong tomb and secondly, that the disciples stole the body.First, let’s examine the facts. The tomb belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin (the High Counsel), who was a dissenting vote on the decision to crucify Jesus. He was a high profile wealthy man whose tomb was prominent; people knew where it was. Foremost, the disciples would not have gone to the wrong tomb, because they were the very ones who wrapped Jesus’ body for burial and placed Him in the tomb (John 19:38-39). Additionally, guards were placed at this tomb. Roman Guards were put there because the authorities had heard rumblings about Jesus’ teachings and that He claimed He was going to come back from the dead (Matthew 27:63-65). Roman guards knew their job as militia and, if they fell asleep on the job, their lives were at stake. In addition to the guards, the authorities put a seal on the tomb and breaking a Roman seal was an offense punishable by death. This was a very serious, very guarded, ‘follow all the right procedures’, burial and it has been said that, “never had a criminal give so much worry after his execution. Above all, never had a crucified man had the honour of being guarded by a squad of soldiers”.His burial is convincing beyond a shadow of the doubt; convincing in that the preponderance of the evidence points to the fact that He was dead and that He rose from the dead? See the question is: are there hard facts, hard facts that you could put in any court of law then or now that really prove and demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt, or is this resurrection just wishful thinking? Let’s look at some more evidence.
Six: The Evidence for His Resurrection is Convincing Old Testament prophets predicted both the resurrection and Jesus’ entire life – it wasn’t new. Hundreds of years prior to these events they were prophesied, predicted if you will. It was predicted that His side would be pierced (Zechariah 12:10, fulfilled John 19:34), His heart broken (Psalms 22:14 fulfilled John 19:34), His bones left unbroken (Psalms 34:20, fulfilled John 19:33) and that He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9, fulfilled Matthew 27:45). These are just a few of over 300 Old Testament predictions that Jesus fulfilled. Not only that but Jesus predicted openly and numerously that He would die on the cross and rise again three days later (Matthew 16:21, Matthew 17:9, Matthew 17:22-23, Matthew 20:18-19, Mark 9:10, John 2:18-22, Luke 9:22-27). It was public, it was known. Jesus made this claim and held onto His intentions. On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis.

Thank you.Why I Believe in the Resurrection
by Chip Ingram The answer to these questions begins with one central block, one foundation. If this central block is true, we’re set – if it is false, everything we believe in Christianity is a hoax. That central block is the resurrection.The validity of our faith is held up by the intellectual feasibility of the resurrection. Put simply, if Christ didn’t die on the cross and come alive again three days later, our faith is worthless. Think I’m being over zealous? Consider what the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:13-14, “But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain, your faith is also in vain.” The writers of scripture say that if the resurrection – the literal physical bodily resurrection of Jesus – isn’t true, Christianity doesn’t hold water. Why I Believe in the Resurrection briefly highlights six reasons why the resurrection is true and ultimately why we can put our faith in Jesus.One: The Historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is AirtighDid He really exist? Did that really happen? Or is this like King Arthur? Is it myth, legend, or did Jesus of Nazareth historically live in space and time and walk upon the earth? The reality of His historicity is airtight. The quality and quantity of the biblical manuscripts as well as first century Greek documents overwhelmingly demonstrate that He actually lived.The New Testament is built on history. An example of this history stems from Luke 2:2 where we learn that at the time of Jesus’ birth a census was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. In the last 30 years an archeologist has found a coin with the name Quirinius on it placing him as proconsul of Syria from 11 B.C. until after the death of Herod – confirming Luke’s account (Luke 2:1-2). In the last thirty years archeologists have one after the other, after the other found specific archeological facts validating people in New Testament times. For example, in the gospel of John the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-15), the Pool of Siloam (John 9:7), Jacob’s Well (John 4:12) and the Stone Pavement near the Jaffa Gate (John 19:13) have all been located.Two: The Works of Jesus Went Unchallenged Stories and miracles; feeding five thousand people, raising people from the dead, lame men walking, blind men seeking, that’s pretty far out stuff, did Jesus really do that? One of the most important things to note is that Jesus’ miracles were never disputed by his foes. His number one archenemy, the Jewish establishment, never claimed that His miracles ceased to occur. They attested to the feats Jesus had done, however they attributed His power to Satan (Matthew 12:24). Yet, Jesus disputed their claim immediately, saying, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:25-26).
They never questioned the validity they only questioned the source; and Jesus knew how to deal with it. Boy, that’s powerful! He was making outrageous claims and He backed His statements up with miracles – power over nature, unprecedented teaching, divine insights into people, etc. He healed chronic illnesses in mere seconds, such as blindness and leprosy.Three: The Identity of Jesus Was Confirmed The third reason I believe that Jesus rose from the dead is the identity of Jesus was confirmed. Not only do we need to ask did He really exist? Did He do those works? But you have to ask, who did He claim to be? Did Jesus think He was God? Yes, He did, and not only did Jesus believe that He was God, but throughout the New Testament others refer to Him as God.
Jesus said, (John 14:6). He also said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father” (John 14:9). It was clear that Jesus knew who He was and He was absolutely comfortable communicating about His deity to others. Four: The Death of Jesus Was Undisputed One of the central arguments used by critics claims that Jesus didn’t die. They argue that He was given special herbs and spices and it only appeared as though He had died or that He had faked His death. Theories such as these are just not possible. In The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel interviews Dr. Alexander Metherell on the evidence behind the crucifixion. The details are gory and, at the same time, remarkable. Much of the following information is taken from that interview. The night before His death, Jesus stayed up all night praying in the garden of Gethsemane. He was under such stress that a medical abnormality caused by a high degree of psychological stress called, hematidrosis occurred – Jesus sweat blood. Luke 22:44 reads, “And, being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” Flogging involves the use of a whip made of rawhide. In the middle of the rawhide are steel-like balls and at the very end of the rawhide are pieces of bone. The Roman executioners would put them on a pole and when flogging they would swing it so it would wrap around the body. The balls would hit and cause major contusions to the organs and then the pieces of bone would cut into the flesh. As it was pulled away it would rip the flesh right off. Thirty-nine lashes was the legal limit because few individuals ever lived past thirty-nine lashes. Jesus received all thirty-nine and was within an inch of his life when the Roman guards beat Him with their fists. He’s up all night, He’s within an inch of His life, and then He gets beat up. He’s in such a weakened condition that He can hardly carry the beam of His own cross, and then He was crucified (Matthew 27). Crucifixion causes a person to die from suffocation rather than pain. As the criminal’s arms were up on the cross the executioners would bend his legs and put a nail between both ankles so that he could push up with his legs and pull himself up, but as he hung his arms would quickly dislocate.Then tetanus would begin to happen and his arms would start to freeze. The criminal would pull himself up, as his internal organs would begin to slide down. Trying to get a breath compensated the pain of pulling himself up and he would ultimately suffocate..

It has been called historically one of the cruelest forms of torture and death ever devised. If that’s not enough, they didn’t break Jesus’ legs to ensure that He was dead, they instead took a spear and they gashed into His side, and what’s interesting is that it says when they gashed His side water and blood came out (John 19:34). Five: The Burial of Jesus Was Public and Secured
As the evidence for Jesus’ divinity mounts critics try to disprove as many theories as they can. The two most popular stories critics use to invalidate the resurrection are that the disciples went to the wrong tomb and secondly, that the disciples stole the body.First, let’s examine the facts. The tomb belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin (the High Counsel), who was a dissenting vote on the decision to crucify Jesus. He was a high profile wealthy man whose tomb was prominent; people knew where it was. Foremost, the disciples would not have gone to the wrong tomb, because they were the very ones who wrapped Jesus’ body for burial and placed Him in the tomb (John 19:38-39). Additionally, guards were placed at this tomb. Roman Guards were put there because the authorities had heard rumblings about Jesus’ teachings and that He claimed He was going to come back from the dead (Matthew 27:63-65). Roman guards knew their job as militia and, if they fell asleep on the job, their lives were at stake. In addition to the guards, the authorities put a seal on the tomb and breaking a Roman seal was an offense punishable by death. This was a very serious, very guarded, ‘follow all the right procedures’, burial and it has been said that, “never had a criminal give so much worry after his execution. Above all, never had a crucified man had the honour of being guarded by a squad of soldiers”.His burial is convincing beyond a shadow of the doubt; convincing in that the preponderance of the evidence points to the fact that He was dead and that He rose from the dead? See the question is: are there hard facts, hard facts that you could put in any court of law then or now that really prove and demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt, or is this resurrection just wishful thinking? Let’s look at some more evidence.
Six: The Evidence for His Resurrection is Convincing Old Testament prophets predicted both the resurrection and Jesus’ entire life – it wasn’t new. Hundreds of years prior to these events they were prophesied, predicted if you will. It was predicted that His side would be pierced (Zechariah 12:10, fulfilled John 19:34), His heart broken (Psalms 22:14 fulfilled John 19:34), His bones left unbroken (Psalms 34:20, fulfilled John 19:33) and that He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9, fulfilled Matthew 27:45). These are just a few of over 300 Old Testament predictions that Jesus fulfilled. Not only that but Jesus predicted openly and numerously that He would die on the cross and rise again three days later (Matthew 16:21, Matthew 17:9, Matthew 17:22-23, Matthew 20:18-19, Mark 9:10, John 2:18-22, Luke 9:22-27). It was public, it was known. Jesus made this claim and held onto His intentions.On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.Why I Believe in the Resurrection
by Chip Ingram The answer to these questions begins with one central block, one foundation. If this central block is true, we’re set – if it is false, everything we believe in Christianity is a hoax. That central block is the resurrection.The validity of our faith is held up by the intellectual feasibility of the resurrection. Put simply, if Christ didn’t die on the cross and come alive again three days later, our faith is worthless. Think I’m being over zealous?

Consider what the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:13-14, “But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain, your faith is also in vain.” The writers of scripture say that if the resurrection – the literal physical bodily resurrection of Jesus – isn’t true, Christianity doesn’t hold water. Why I Believe in the Resurrection briefly highlights six reasons why the resurrection is true and ultimately why we can put our faith in Jesus.One: The Historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is AirtighDid He really exist? Did that really happen? Or is this like King Arthur? Is it myth, legend, or did Jesus of Nazareth historically live in space and time and walk upon the earth? The reality of His historicity is airtight. The quality and quantity of the biblical manuscripts as well as first century Greek documents overwhelmingly demonstrate that He actually lived.The New Testament is built on history. An example of this history stems from Luke 2:2 where we learn that at the time of Jesus’ birth a census was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. In the last 30 years an archeologist has found a coin with the name Quirinius on it placing him as proconsul of Syria from 11 B.C. until after the death of Herod – confirming Luke’s account (Luke 2:1-2). In the last thirty years archeologists have one after the other, after the other found specific archeological facts validating people in New Testament times. For example, in the gospel of John the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-15), the Pool of Siloam (John 9:7), Jacob’s Well (John 4:12) and the Stone Pavement near the Jaffa Gate (John 19:13) have all been located.Two: The Works of Jesus Went Unchallenged Stories and miracles; feeding five thousand people, raising people from the dead, lame men walking, blind men seeking, that’s pretty far out stuff, did Jesus really do that? One of the most important things to note is that Jesus’ miracles were never disputed by his foes. His number one archenemy, the Jewish establishment, never claimed that His miracles ceased to occur. They attested to the feats Jesus had done, however they attributed His power to Satan (Matthew 12:24). Yet, Jesus disputed their claim immediately, saying, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:25-26).
They never questioned the validity they only questioned the source; and Jesus knew how to deal with it. Boy, that’s powerful! He was making outrageous claims and He backed His statements up with miracles – power over nature, unprecedented teaching, divine insights into people, etc. He healed chronic illnesses in mere seconds, such as blindness and leprosy.Three: The Identity of Jesus Was Confirmed The third reason I believe that Jesus rose from the dead is the identity of Jesus was confirmed. Not only do we need to ask did He really exist? Did He do those works? But you have to ask, who did He claim to be? Did Jesus think He was God? Yes, He did, and not only did Jesus believe that He was God, but throughout the New Testament others refer to Him as God.
Jesus said, (John 14:6). He also said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father” (John 14:9). It was clear that Jesus knew who He was and He was absolutely comfortable communicating about His deity to others. Four: The Death of Jesus Was Undisputed One of the central arguments used by critics claims that Jesus didn’t die. They argue that He was given special herbs and spices and it only appeared as though He had died or that He had faked His death. Theories such as these are just not possible. In The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel interviews Dr. Alexander Metherell on the evidence behind the crucifixion. The details are gory and, at the same time, remarkable. Much of the following information is taken from that interview. The night before His death, Jesus stayed up all night praying in the garden of Gethsemane. He was under such stress that a medical abnormality caused by a high degree of psychological stress called, hematidrosis occurred – Jesus sweat blood. Luke 22:44 reads, “And, being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” Flogging involves the use of a whip made of rawhide. In the middle of the rawhide are steel-like balls and at the very end of the rawhide are pieces of bone. The Roman executioners would put them on a pole and when flogging they would swing it so it would wrap around the body. The balls would hit and cause major contusions to the organs and then the pieces of bone would cut into the flesh. As it was pulled away it would rip the flesh right off. Thirty-nine lashes was the legal limit because few individuals ever lived past thirty-nine lashes. Jesus received all thirty-nine and was within an inch of his life when the Roman guards beat Him with their fists. He’s up all night, He’s within an inch of His life, and then He gets beat up. He’s in such a weakened condition that He can hardly carry the beam of His own cross, and then He was crucified (Matthew 27). Crucifixion causes a person to die from suffocation rather than pain. As the criminal’s arms were up on the cross the executioners would bend his legs and put a nail between both ankles so that he could push up with his legs and pull himself up, but as he hung his arms would quickly dislocate.Then tetanus would begin to happen and his arms would start to freeze. The criminal would pull himself up, as his internal organs would begin to slide down. Trying to get a breath compensated the pain of pulling himself up and he would ultimately suffocate. It has been called historically one of the cruelest forms of torture and death ever devised. If that’s not enough, they didn’t break Jesus’ legs to ensure that He was dead, they instead took a spear and they gashed into His side, and what’s interesting is that it says when they gashed His side water and blood came out (John 19:34). Five: The Burial of Jesus Was Public and Secured
As the evidence for Jesus’ divinity mounts critics try to disprove as many theories as they can. The two most popular stories critics use to invalidate the resurrection are that the disciples went to the wrong tomb and secondly, that the disciples stole the body.First, let’s examine the facts. The tomb belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin (the High Counsel), who was a dissenting vote on the decision to crucify Jesus. He was a high profile wealthy man whose tomb was prominent; people knew where it was. Foremost, the disciples would not have gone to the wrong tomb, because they were the very ones who wrapped Jesus’ body for burial and placed Him in the tomb (John 19:38-39). Additionally, guards were placed at this tomb. Roman Guards were put there because the authorities had heard rumblings about Jesus’ teachings and that He claimed He was going to come back from the dead (Matthew 27:63-65). Roman guards knew their job as militia and, if they fell asleep on the job, their lives were at stake. In addition to the guards, the authorities put a seal on the tomb and breaking a Roman seal was an offense punishable by death. This was a very serious, very guarded, ‘follow all the right procedures’, burial and it has been said that, “never had a criminal give so much worry after his execution. Above all, never had a crucified man had the honour of being guarded by a squad of soldiers”.His burial is convincing beyond a shadow of the doubt; convincing in that the preponderance of the evidence points to the fact that He was dead and that He rose from the dead? See the question is: are there hard facts, hard facts that you could put in any court of law then or now that really prove and demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt, or is this resurrection just wishful thinking? Let’s look at some more evidence.
Six: The Evidence for His Resurrection is Convincing Old Testament prophets predicted both the resurrection and Jesus’ entire life – it wasn’t new. Hundreds of years prior to these events they were prophesied, predicted if you will. It was predicted that His side would be pierced (Zechariah 12:10, fulfilled John 19:34), His heart broken (Psalms 22:14 fulfilled John 19:34), His bones left unbroken (Psalms 34:20, fulfilled John 19:33) and that He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9, fulfilled Matthew 27:45). These are just a few of over 300 Old Testament predictions that Jesus fulfilled. Not only that but Jesus predicted openly and numerously that He would die on the cross and rise again three days later (Matthew 16:21, Matthew 17:9, Matthew 17:22-23, Matthew 20:18-19, Mark 9:10, John 2:18-22, Luke 9:22-27). It was public, it was known. Jesus made this claim and held onto His intentions.On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! My eyes!!!!

Provide a summary for those like me......pleeeeeease?

God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.Why I Believe in the Resurrection
by Chip Ingram The answer to these questions begins with one central block, one foundation. If this central block is true, we’re set – if it is false, everything we believe in Christianity is a hoax. That central block is the resurrection.The validity of our faith is held up by the intellectual feasibility of the resurrection. Put simply, if Christ didn’t die on the cross and come alive again three days later, our faith is worthless. Think I’m being over zealous? Consider what the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:13-14, “But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain, your faith is also in vain.” The writers of scripture say that if the resurrection – the literal physical bodily resurrection of Jesus – isn’t true, Christianity doesn’t hold water. Why I Believe in the Resurrection briefly highlights six reasons why the resurrection is true and ultimately why we can put our faith in Jesus.One: The Historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is AirtighDid He really exist? Did that really happen? Or is this like King Arthur? Is it myth, legend, or did Jesus of Nazareth historically live in space and time and walk upon the earth? The reality of His historicity is airtight. The quality and quantity of the biblical manuscripts as well as first century Greek documents overwhelmingly demonstrate that He actually lived.The New Testament is built on history. An example of this history stems from Luke 2:2 where we learn that at the time of Jesus’ birth a census was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. In the last 30 years an archeologist has found a coin with the name Quirinius on it placing him as proconsul of Syria from 11 B.C. until after the death of Herod – confirming Luke’s account (Luke 2:1-2). In the last thirty years archeologists have one after the other, after the other found specific archeological facts validating people in New Testament times. For example, in the gospel of John the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-15), the Pool of Siloam (John 9:7), Jacob’s Well (John 4:12) and the Stone Pavement near the Jaffa Gate (John 19:13) have all been located.Two: The Works of Jesus Went Unchallenged Stories and miracles; feeding five thousand people, raising people from the dead, lame men walking, blind men seeking, that’s pretty far out stuff, did Jesus really do that? One of the most important things to note is that Jesus’ miracles were never disputed by his foes. His number one archenemy, the Jewish establishment, never claimed that His miracles ceased to occur. They attested to the feats Jesus had done, however they attributed His power to Satan (Matthew 12:24). Yet, Jesus disputed their claim immediately, saying, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:25-26).
They never questioned the validity they only questioned the source; and Jesus knew how to deal with it. Boy, that’s powerful! He was making outrageous claims and He backed His statements up with miracles – power over nature, unprecedented teaching, divine insights into people, etc. He healed chronic illnesses in mere seconds, such as blindness and leprosy.Three: The Identity of Jesus Was Confirmed The third reason I believe that Jesus rose from the dead is the identity of Jesus was confirmed. Not only do we need to ask did He really exist? Did He do those works? But you have to ask, who did He claim to be? Did Jesus think He was God? Yes, He did, and not only did Jesus believe that He was God, but throughout the New Testament others refer to Him as God.
Jesus said, (John 14:6). He also said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father” (John 14:9). It was clear that Jesus knew who He was and He was absolutely comfortable communicating about His deity to others. Four: The Death of Jesus Was Undisputed One of the central arguments used by critics claims that Jesus didn’t die. They argue that He was given special herbs and spices and it only appeared as though He had died or that He had faked His death. Theories such as these are just not possible. In The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel interviews Dr. Alexander Metherell on the evidence behind the crucifixion. The details are gory and, at the same time, remarkable. Much of the following information is taken from that interview. The night before His death, Jesus stayed up all night praying in the garden of Gethsemane. He was under such stress that a medical abnormality caused by a high degree of psychological stress called, hematidrosis occurred – Jesus sweat blood. Luke 22:44 reads, “And, being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” Flogging involves the use of a whip made of rawhide. In the middle of the rawhide are steel-like balls and at the very end of the rawhide are pieces of bone. The Roman executioners would put them on a pole and when flogging they would swing it so it would wrap around the body.

The balls would hit and cause major contusions to the organs and then the pieces of bone would cut into the flesh. As it was pulled away it would rip the flesh right off. Thirty-nine lashes was the legal limit because few individuals ever lived past thirty-nine lashes. Jesus received all thirty-nine and was within an inch of his life when the Roman guards beat Him with their fists. He’s up all night, He’s within an inch of His life, and then He gets beat up. He’s in such a weakened condition that He can hardly carry the beam of His own cross, and then He was crucified (Matthew 27). Crucifixion causes a person to die from suffocation rather than pain. As the criminal’s arms were up on the cross the executioners would bend his legs and put a nail between both ankles so that he could push up with his legs and pull himself up, but as he hung his arms would quickly dislocate.Then tetanus would begin to happen and his arms would start to freeze. The criminal would pull himself up, as his internal organs would begin to slide down. Trying to get a breath compensated the pain of pulling himself up and he would ultimately suffocate. It has been called historically one of the cruelest forms of torture and death ever devised. If that’s not enough, they didn’t break Jesus’ legs to ensure that He was dead, they instead took a spear and they gashed into His side, and what’s interesting is that it says when they gashed His side water and blood came out (John 19:34). Five: The Burial of Jesus Was Public and Secured
As the evidence for Jesus’ divinity mounts critics try to disprove as many theories as they can. The two most popular stories critics use to invalidate the resurrection are that the disciples went to the wrong tomb and secondly, that the disciples stole the body.First, let’s examine the facts. The tomb belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin (the High Counsel), who was a dissenting vote on the decision to crucify Jesus. He was a high profile wealthy man whose tomb was prominent; people knew where it was. Foremost, the disciples would not have gone to the wrong tomb, because they were the very ones who wrapped Jesus’ body for burial and placed Him in the tomb (John 19:38-39). Additionally, guards were placed at this tomb. Roman Guards were put there because the authorities had heard rumblings about Jesus’ teachings and that He claimed He was going to come back from the dead (Matthew 27:63-65). Roman guards knew their job as militia and, if they fell asleep on the job, their lives were at stake. In addition to the guards, the authorities put a seal on the tomb and breaking a Roman seal was an offense punishable by death. This was a very serious, very guarded, ‘follow all the right procedures’, burial and it has been said that, “never had a criminal give so much worry after his execution. Above all, never had a crucified man had the honour of being guarded by a squad of soldiers”.His burial is convincing beyond a shadow of the doubt; convincing in that the preponderance of the evidence points to the fact that He was dead and that He rose from the dead? See the question is: are there hard facts, hard facts that you could put in any court of law then or now that really prove and demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt, or is this resurrection just wishful thinking? Let’s look at some more evidence.
Six: The Evidence for His Resurrection is Convincing Old Testament prophets predicted both the resurrection and Jesus’ entire life – it wasn’t new. Hundreds of years prior to these events they were prophesied, predicted if you will. It was predicted that His side would be pierced (Zechariah 12:10, fulfilled John 19:34), His heart broken (Psalms 22:14 fulfilled John 19:34), His bones left unbroken (Psalms 34:20, fulfilled John 19:33) and that He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9, fulfilled Matthew 27:45). These are just a few of over 300 Old Testament predictions that Jesus fulfilled. Not only that but Jesus predicted openly and numerously that He would die on the cross and rise again three days later (Matthew 16:21, Matthew 17:9, Matthew 17:22-23, Matthew 20:18-19, Mark 9:10, John 2:18-22, Luke 9:22-27). It was public, it was known. Jesus made this claim and held onto His intentions




And that is why my religion is right, and yours is wrong. Now convert to my religion, or burn in Hell.


God Bless


Amen

Hah ! See I knew it ! No one could argue against my intelligent logic !

Originally posted by dadudemon
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! My eyes!!!!

Provide a summary for those like me......pleeeeeease?

It's spite. It can all be ignored.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's spite. It can all be ignored.



No. You just can't handle a valid argument when you see it !

Big Blue Blocks of Text...

JIA did you hack into SOD's user?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Big Blue Blocks of Text...

JIA did you hack into SOD's user?


What !


What ?!?!



Preposs..tt..rerous !!!!!


How dare you make such a claim !!!!!! I am directly inspired by the LORD !

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
What !


What ?!?!



Preposs..tt..rerous !!!!!


How dare you make such a claim !!!!!! I am directly inspired by the LORD !

Hey! I think we need an exorcist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hey! I think we need an exorcist.



Jesus saves.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Jesus saves.

We need an atheist exorcist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We need an atheist exorcist.

Somebody rang?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We need an atheist exorcist.

Whack him with The Origin of Species a few times.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Whack him with The Origin of Species a few times.

You know... there are a lot of atheists that would be offended. I wouldn't joke about the Holy Book like that; it could lead to riots.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You know... there are a lot of atheists that would be offended. I wouldn't joke about the Holy Book like that; it could lead to riots.




I better be careful, atheists are a mercurial lot and to some a joke like that could be like burning down . . . a library?

Good thing it's all blue. I can hardly read it on my black background, so I have reason to ignore those VERY LONG POSTS.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's spite. It can all be ignored.

How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....

You are joking right?

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....

There was no defense offered. This is a sarcastic thread. The text in the beginning was picked because it was so absurd.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There was no defense offered. This is a sarcastic thread. The text in the beginning was picked because it was so absurd.

While I don't buy everything presented in this fellow's essay, I fail to see how his argument is fundamentally absurd. The more I talk to you guys, the more I'm starting to think your definition of "reasonable" is based on little more than subjective speculation.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
While I don't buy everything presented in this fellow's essay, I fail to see how his argument is fundamentally absurd. The more I talk to you guys, the more I'm starting to think your definition of "reasonable" is based on little more than subjective speculation.

You actually sat down and read all of that?

As for what is so bad about the argument. Well in perusal the writer praises the 9/11 attacks, fails to understand evolution on a basic level, resurrection is set up as there entire basis of Christian faith (which is stupid and untrue), the "Jewish establishment" is painted as the "foe of Christ", the writer assumes everything in the Bible is literally true although he cannot prove that.

That's all in just the first post.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
While I don't buy everything presented in this fellow's essay, I fail to see how his argument is fundamentally absurd. The more I talk to you guys, the more I'm starting to think your definition of "reasonable" is based on little more than subjective speculation. do you know what spam and joke threads are? cause this is one of them. not one person in this entire message board considers this a useful block of text(except SOD because he's crazy and gay ) the fact that you read it is kinda sad

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You actually sat down and read all of that?


The guy deserves some respect!

Originally posted by queeq
The guy deserves some respect!

Or sugar . . .

Originally posted by queeq
The guy deserves some respect! that guy deserves to be touched by Chuck Norris

EDIT: did i mention:there's a giant purple deathsquirrel on my porch

Well, you know what to do with it.

People, people, people...

God was doing his own thing on Sept 11th. He didn't come into existence to watch over Americans. There are 190 odd countries in the world to keep an eye on...which I am sure he was doing.

Besides, Arabs pray to him every day. Americans don't. If I was God, I'd be like...Alright Arabs, but just this one time...don't make me come down there.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
People, people, people...

God was doing his own thing on Sept 11th. He didn't come into existence to watch over Americans. There are 190 odd countries in the world to keep an eye on...which I am sure he was doing.

Besides, Arabs pray to him every day. Americans don't. If I was God, I'd be like...Alright Arabs, but just this one time...don't make me come down there.

You really need to read the essay rather than make up insane excuses for what happened. It's very clear that 9/11 wasn't an accident, all those deaths brought more people to Christ

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
People, people, people...

God was doing his own thing on Sept 11th. He didn't come into existence to watch over Americans. There are 190 odd countries in the world to keep an eye on...which I am sure he was doing.

Besides, Arabs pray to him every day. Americans don't. If I was God, I'd be like...Alright Arabs, but just this one time...don't make me come down there.

Good avatar.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
While I don't buy everything presented in this fellow's essay, I fail to see how his argument is fundamentally absurd. The more I talk to you guys, the more I'm starting to think your definition of "reasonable" is based on little more than subjective speculation.

It is absurd because of the person who posted it.

Good work.

I still believe however, that religion is nothing but a belief. No way to tell if it happened or not and it should not matter to atheist at all, otherwise they are just plain ignorant who can't seem to stop and think of respecting the views of others who are not even harming them whatsoever. Extremism is the ONLY problem with religion which can be fixed easily. I will continue believing in my faith. I am done debating on religion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is absurd because of the person who posted it.

So the person makes it sucky??? Very odd.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is absurd because of the person who posted it.

It's because Urizen is gay isn't it? You bigot!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You really need to read the essay rather than make up insane excuses for what happened. It's very clear that 9/11 wasn't an accident, all those deaths brought more people to Christ

Of course 9/11 wasn't an accident. In case you didn't hear, Arabs deliberately flew the plains into towers.

Originally posted by queeq
Good avatar.

Thanks. I heart Putin. flirt1

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Of course 9/11 wasn't an accident. In case you didn't hear, Arabs deliberately flew the plains into towers.

Because the Jesus God told them to. You seem to think he just wasn't paying attention. Blasphemy I tell you! Blasphemy!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because the Jesus God told them to. You seem to think he just wasn't paying attention. Blasphemy I tell you! Blasphemy!
What you chattin' about, ya flip-flopper?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What you chattin' about, ya flip-flopper?

That's a pretty cool sig, ey. I don't agree with it in any way, shape or form, but I think it's asthetically pleasing.

She putin a sig that looks very much unlike her.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You know... there are a lot of atheists that would be offended. I wouldn't joke about the Holy Book like that; it could lead to riots.




Its not holy. It plays no part in Atheism, as retarted threads should not play a role in this forum.

Originally posted by Alliance
Its not holy. It plays no part in Atheism, as retarted threads should not play a role in this forum.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....



I know right !


These people are SO ignorant ! They don't understand the validity of Christianity, and how much Jesus saves !


I literally proved God's existance and the validity of Christianity with my essay. Yes, instead of providing solid arguments to rebutt my testiment, they simply bash and attack like the immoral, unclean, sinful, disgusting athiests they are.


God curse those who do not beleive !

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I know right !


These people are SO ignorant ! They don't understand the validity of Christianity, and how much Jesus saves !


I literally proved God's existance and the validity of Christianity with my essay. Yes, instead of providing solid arguments to rebutt my testiment, they simply bash and attack like the immoral, unclean, sinful, disgusting athiests they are.


God curse those who do not beleive !

Burn them at the stake.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Burn them at the stake.

use books for kindling

OMG , dude come back to us.

Originally posted by fini
OMG , dude come back to us.

NEVER !


My eyes have been opened to the Light and Glory of the Lord !

wow brain damage is really sad

hehehe

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....

Wow. This is borderline trollish. In any case, if you had bothered to see the spite in the first place, or follow the posting habits of pretty much anyone on the boards, you'd realize that SoD was in no way being serious and was only making a point about the way many others "debate" on these forums.

So no, I didn't read it. If SoD wanted actual discussion, he would've posted it in a different manner, much more conducive to discussion.

As it is, I'm surprised this thread is still open. It doesn't really serve any purpose except to highlight the posting habits of some, as well as SoD's immaturity and inability to deal with said posting habits.

....

Off topic but semi-pertinent to SoD...I have a friend whose entre family is atheist (the mom's agnostic, to be fair). His brother is gay and converted to Catholicism. Seemed a rare and unanticipated development, but anecdotal enough to share. So it can happen...just not in this manner ( ).

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How facinating. For someone who has so loudly demanded an intellectual defense for the Christian faith, I am surprised that you so quickly dismiss the one offered. Or perhaps I'm not surprised at all....

Well, I think it's safe to say you just gave SoD quite a laugh!!

Originally posted by Quark_666
Well, I think it's safe to say you just gave SoD quite a laugh!!


lol yeah he did hysterical2



Like Digimark said, I'm not only surprised that this thread is still open, but what's even more surprising is that people are still debating here

i am not reading all that shit sorry but maybe god let 9/11 happen because god is the only major force left that isn't in cohoots with the u.s. government.

This is so clearly a spite thread, so why isn't it closed??? I think the author of the essay made some very stupid points. I was surprised to see a (very small) number of valid points though. If I mocked someone because of their beliefs, race, gender, sexual preference etc etc then my thread would be closed quicker than people can yell spite, so why have more than one mod reviewed this blatant mockery of someones beliefs and then just sat by?

Originally posted by willRules
This is so clearly a spite thread, so why isn't it closed??? I think the author of the essay made some very stupid points. I was surprised to see a (very small) number of valid points though. If I mocked someone because of their beliefs, race, gender, sexual preference etc etc then my thread would be closed quicker than people can yell spite, so why have more than one mod reviewed this blatant mockery of someones beliefs and then just sat by?


The authors or those quotes are JIA and Marcello

And how does this stop it from being a spite thread?

Originally posted by willRules
And how does this stop it from being a spite thread?

Spite is too strong of a word. This is more of a spoof thread. You have to keep in mind that this thread is a reflection of things that people, on this forum, have done in the past.

As an example: I made a thread to answer any question about my religion, because I am the only Nichiren Buddhist here. Then JIA started filling the thread with cut and paste articles from Christian sites that insulted Buddhism. I told him to stop, and that the purpose of this thread was educational, not debate, but he refused. So, if you want to talk about spite, you should talk to some of your fellow Christians.

Why should he talk to his fellow Christians?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Why should he talk to his fellow Christians?

Why not?

Wow you pin the blame on the fellow Christians, how unsurprising.

As I've already said this is a spite thread pure and simple. I don't care what faith they are trying to mock, it's the point that they are mocking it in what I would deem a very cruel manner.

If I felt that your beliefs were being insulted I would stand up for you and I hope you would do the same for me.

Originally posted by willRules
Wow you pin the blame on the fellow Christians, how unsurprising.

As I've already said this is a spite thread pure and simple. I don't care what faith they are trying to mock, it's the point that they are mocking it in what I would deem a very cruel manner.

If I felt that your beliefs were being insulted I would stand up for you and I hope you would do the same for me.

I'm sorry, but out of all the people I have met in my life, the most hateful ones were Christian. I know that this is just my perspective, and that there are a lot of good Christians out there, but to complain about this silly thread reminds me of the verse from the bible that tells you to get the beam from you own eye first.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm sorry, but out of all the people I have met in my life, the most hateful ones were Christian. I know that this is just my perspective, and that there are a lot of good Christians out there, but to complain about this silly thread reminds me of the verse from the bible that tells you to get the beam from you own eye first. maybe cause there are more christians where u live duh.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
maybe cause there are more christians where u live duh.

Could be, or it might also be because I'm a Buddhist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Could be, or it might also be because I'm a Buddhist. could be

Originally posted by willRules
And how does this stop it from being a spite thread?


This thread was not intended to insult you or your religion. This thread was meant to portray a point I have been trying to get across for a while, but it seems either people are ignoring that point, or just don't get it.


The point is this:


You can beleive whatever you wish to believe. You don't have to justify why, it's your life, your choice.


However, if you are trying to tell other people what to believe, or what to do with their lives, then the LEAST you can do is explain why you are correct. You can't just tell people what to believe, and then expect them to just go on the same blind faith that you go on.


In every attempt to prove the validity of the Bible, posters such as JIA, Marcello, and several others have simply copy and pasted either essays from other websites, chick tracts, or Bible quotes.

The error:

1) Chick Tracts are not factual, but based on one's intepretation of the Bible.

2) Any Christian website having to do with the Bible, will simply give a personal intepretation of scripture.


So that leaves only scripture as support.


However, that is not proof. Scripture, in a debate, is as valid as anything anyone else says. As beautiful or as majestic as Scripture may be, it is not proof of anything.

You cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible valid. I cannot say that a comic book is non-fictional truth, and then when you ask me to prove it, I say "well, the comic book says is true, so it must be".

That is intentional and flawed circular reasoning, and it does not work.



So....if you want to use Scripture to illustrate your own intepretation of God, or Christianity, or morality, that is fine. Because in that case, you are only using a source of collective writing to back up your opinion.


But....you cannot use scripture to prove scripture is fact. "The Bible is valid, because the Bible says it is".


No....that is pretty much the SAME EXACT THING as saying:


"You have to believe what I tell you to believe, because I told you to believe it".







Do you understand ? Or do I have to make another stupid thread to get that across ?

"maybe cause there are more christians where u live duh."---chickenlover

Chickenlover, shaky has been nothing but respectful to everyone in the short time that I have been visiting this particular forum, and I don't think the "duh" at the end was very much appreciated. It is sad the majority of negative people in his life professed to be of the Christian faith, and you do have a point that maybe that's because he knows mainly other Christians. But you don't know his life better than he does.

Originally posted by dadudemon
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! My eyes!!!!

Provide a summary for those like me......pleeeeeease?

Blue.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Blue.

Red

WHITE droolio