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Intresting !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUrCF7fpViw&feature=related

"white side or black side of the force" haha

Yes. We must now stop this demon worshipping!

Death to the heathen! Either you are with us, or you are against us! Erhm. I mean...

Star Wars is like George Lucas's own religion. This guys probably right, but his religion was someones as well.

There is the Force according to the Bible btw...

Luke: (ironic?) 8:45

45 And Jesus said, Who is it that touched me? And when all denied, Peter said, and they that were with him, Master, the multitudes press thee and crush thee.

46But Jesus said, Some one did touch me; for I perceived that power had gone forth from me.

Power = Force? Matter of translation.

So it is said that something called the "power" / "the Force" moved out from Jesus according to the Bible itself.

Or is the Bible perhaps lying?

"You must feel the Force around you." Jesus felt it in himself. If he felt it, then it must have been real. Otherwise he would have bene a lunatic.


Take that, you zealots...

You have only 2 choices.
A) There was a Force that Jesus recognized.
B) Jesus was lying and the Bible is false.

Your arguments are no where near sound.

Only way to argue with religious people is to use their own sources.

You cannot really contradict an argument just by saying that it is not sound.

yeah you can when it makes absolutely no sense. Thats like saying, My dog is brown, and my cat is brown, therefore my cat is a dog.

I assume you are a Bible expert then?
If not, you are in no position to make judgements of my reference.
I was just pointing out a chapter from the book and making a sentence that is true by the logic.

"I don't understand how the car works. But nothing can move without legs. Car cannot move."

your creating doubt in your initial statement "I dont understand how the car works?

cars may or may not have legs, which would satisfy your first statement.

"car can not move" You drew a conclusion based on uncertainty. A car perhaps can move if it did have legs based on your initial statement.

Anyway, I'm no bible expert but I know its easy to draw a connection to almost anything in the bible or in star wars

This is pretty funny considering.

A) I'm Christian.

B) Half my friends are Christians

C) We all love Star Wars.

This thread fails for generalizing.

I dont think its something as simple as the force = God. I think people try to connect star wars to their own life. eg. Darkside qualities like hate making you powerful, or fear leads to anger, possessions lead to jealousy. The things Anakin was exposed to that led him to the darkside. These are things that are true in everyday life. There is alwalys consequence to your choices. Making good choices leads to good things. pretty simple. These are all in the bible.
I Think Lucas was a methodist, so he understands these things.

I think this hardcore christian guy is saying, dont consider these things because you then dont need to accept Jesus the way they want you too.
Most Christians want you to fully accept Jesus, and this leads to people taking it literally causing them to be almost worse than Palpatine. Thats why I kind of liked setting arguments up, so you dont accept things that can be false

Well some people do beilve jedi is a religion. I was watching sky news and two star wars fans dressed as jedi's came on the show. They even had there own jedi names lolz.

No need to go that far to seek wackos.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jedi.akatemia/englanninkielinenpaasivu.htm

Originally posted by Sesse
There is the Force according to the Bible btw...

Luke: (ironic?) 8:45

45 And Jesus said, Who is it that touched me? And when all denied, Peter said, and they that were with him, Master, the multitudes press thee and crush thee.

46But Jesus said, Some one did touch me; for I perceived that power had gone forth from me.

Power = Force? Matter of translation.

So it is said that something called the "power" / "the Force" moved out from Jesus according to the Bible itself.

Or is the Bible perhaps lying?

"You must feel the Force around you." Jesus felt it in himself. If he felt it, then it must have been real. Otherwise he would have bene a lunatic.


Take that, you zealots...

You have only 2 choices.
A) There was a Force that Jesus recognized.
B) Jesus was lying and the Bible is false.

1) Jesus was talking about HIS OWN POWER which HE has because He is God. and God is omnipotent.

2) Miracles derive from Christ Jesus and the Son and the Holy Spirit (one GOd forever) MIracles dont happen through concentrating and pushing harder but come about through prayer, faith and the anointing of God.

The Bible is the Word of God not a spell book.

3) George lucas is a methodist so his knowledge of his faith would make it easier for him to make Christian refrences in his movies.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Intresting !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUrCF7fpViw&feature=related
Wasn't a real protest... well atleast that is what it appears through my research, since the site that is on the sign leads you to this: http://www.ooze.com/toolofsatan/


Originally posted by Man of Christ
1) Jesus was talking about HIS OWN POWER which HE has because He is God. and God is omnipotent.

2) Miracles derive from Christ Jesus and the Son and the Holy Spirit (one GOd forever) MIracles dont happen through concentrating and pushing harder but come about through prayer, faith and the anointing of God.

The Bible is the Word of God not a spell book.

3) George lucas is a methodist so his knowledge of his faith would make it easier for him to make Christian refrences in his movies.

GL's a methodist? I did not know that...

As a Christian myself, I felt the Star Wars series exemplified Christian values. A few people go too far with criticizing pop culture and nonreligious people assume that means all Christians must feel a certain way. The truth is that we are a diverse group of different races, sexes, ages, and backgrounds and our opinions, hobbies, and interests are quite varied.

The heart of Star Wars centers around someone lost to evil and his children trying to help redeem him. If that is not the main idea of Christianity, than I don't know what is. We all get a second chance through Christianity. Throughout the series, you have people of different social classes and even species that work together towards a common goal. It's about someone who finds a power in the universe greater than himself and lets it influence him to do good and make his environment a better place.

I think there is even a book out there called The Gospel Through Star Wars or something close to that.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
As a Christian myself, I felt the Star Wars series exemplified Christian values. A few people go too far with criticizing pop culture and nonreligious people assume that means all Christians must feel a certain way. The truth is that we are a diverse group of different races, sexes, ages, and backgrounds and our opinions, hobbies, and interests are quite varied.

The heart of Star Wars centers around someone lost to evil and his children trying to help redeem him. If that is not the main idea of Christianity, than I don't know what is. We all get a second chance through Christianity. Throughout the series, you have people of different social classes and even species that work together towards a common goal. It's about someone who finds a power in the universe greater than himself and lets it influence him to do good and make his environment a better place.

I think there is even a book out there called The Gospel Through Star Wars or something close to that.

Actually there is Christian books about several things that many see to be Evil like Harry Potter. My mom has a book entitled "Finding God in Harry Potter"

You remember the Harry Potter controversy right? Bigest waste of time ever.

All in all, however, the protest was a farce designed to make fun of christians.

1up for blax

1) IM A CHRISTIAN TOO

2) MY ENTIRE SCHOOL WHICH IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN SCHOOL ARE STAR WARS FREAKS

3) I do admit that there are some similarities BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS TOOK MYTHOLOGY AND BIBLE and brought some aspects into STAR WARS

Examples

1) Anakin never haveing a Father - (BIBLE) The Virgin Birth

2) Light Sabers - (Mythology) Excalibur

3) The Force - NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT TALK ABOUT THE FORCE....Someone did touch Jesus and the bible according to my religion never lies and Jesus was makeing NO REFERANCE to THE FORCE.....

4) Jedi Council - (Mythology) Knights at the Round Table in this case sitting in a circular patterns with chairs.


SO TAKE THAT YOU STAR WARS BASHING RELIGIOUS FANATIC FREAKS

I love God i love Jesus i Love Chrisitianity

I hate IDIOTS that try to Mix Or LOOK AT THE "DEEPER MEANING" behind GOOD MOVIES

I hate IDIOTS that try to Mix up anything that is good with something that is just SPECULATION

I hate Idiots that JUST TALK OUT OF THEIR ARSES

Originally posted by MasterAshenVor


3) The Force - NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT TALK ABOUT THE FORCE....Someone did touch Jesus and the bible according to my religion never lies and Jesus was makeing NO REFERANCE to THE FORCE.....



How can you tell? You might be currently reading the modern Bible version 8.3234 beta.

The original scriptures written between 32-100 BC. What is written in those... Thats the interesting part.

Now we are having a translation of a translations translation infront of us. Gee, I wonder how much of it is still intact.

Power and Force could be considered synonyms. Not by todays standards of course, but we are talking about semantics. Was the original word intented to mean power, or force.

When The Phantom Menace was released, the head bishop of The Church Of England endorsed the values & messages in the film, and Star Wars as a whole. But, such is the depth of the story that other faiths could find their values there, too. Yoda is very Budddist in his beliefs & teachings, for example.

Forget the fundamentalists. They go after properties like The Wizard Of Oz & Harry Potter, too.

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maybe thats why they call it a holy trilogy

I Read the King James Version the ORIGINAL KING JAMES VERSION.

Originally posted by Sesse
How can you tell? You might be currently reading the modern Bible version 8.3234 beta.

The original scriptures written between 32-100 BC. What is written in those... Thats the interesting part.

Now we are having a translation of a translations translation infront of us. Gee, I wonder how much of it is still intact.

Power and Force could be considered synonyms. Not by todays standards of course, but we are talking about semantics. Was the original word intented to mean power, or force.

Jesus was talking about HIS DIVINE POWER, not some force that everyone has, cuz if that were the case we would have people force shoking eachother now, but Jesus is God, not a jedi.

Originally posted by Sesse
How can you tell? You might be currently reading the modern Bible version 8.3234 beta.

The original scriptures written between 32-100 BC. What is written in those... Thats the interesting part.

Now we are having a translation of a translations translation infront of us. Gee, I wonder how much of it is still intact.

Power and Force could be considered synonyms. Not by todays standards of course, but we are talking about semantics. Was the original word intented to mean power, or force.

The bible had about twice the number of manuscripts as the odessy, but few people dispute the acuracy of what was translated in the odessy, why is that?

Refrenced
The New Eidences that Demand a verdict by Josh McDowell.

Though there are many translations of the Bible, the fundamentals of what are written are the same. I mostly stick to the NIV version of the bible, because it is easier to read, but I do read from every translation, and they all have the exact same meaning.

Even in church sometimes, the pastor will preach from the King James and I will be reading from the New International Version, and though the exact words used are different, the meaning is the same.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
Jesus was talking about HIS DIVINE POWER, not some force that everyone has, cuz if that were the case we would have people force shoking eachother now, but Jesus is God, not a jedi.

According to christian beliefs Jesus is the the son of God, and thus has the power of God. Power and the force are not neccisaraly synonumus, The force exists in all living beings, Power, on the other hand, doesn't neccisarily.

I do admit that there are parts of the bible that dont translate 100%. For example: the word love.

In the greek language, which much of the bible was wtitten in, there are 3 words for love:
agapao: an unselfish, unconditional, sacrificial love.
phileo: a friendship kind of love.
Eros: A romantic love.

Agapao and Phileo appear in the bible several times, but Eros does not appear in the bible. Here are 2 verses in which Agape and Phileo appear.

Husbands, love (agapao) your wives, even as Christ also loved (agapao) the church, and gave himself for it; - Eph. 5:25


If any man love (phileo) not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. - I Cor. 16:22

To return to the origional translations is the best way to understand the bible, but for a fundamental understanding, it is not absolutely neccisary.

Good point. We live in a time were love=sex.

Unfortunately we do.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Intresting !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUrCF7fpViw&feature=related i totally thought it was a universal christian thing to be one those hardcore nerds.....apparently i was wrong, but this guy is a complete and total tool

It happens in the best of families.

Originally posted by The big EH
i totally thought it was a universal christian thing to be one those hardcore nerds.....apparently i was wrong, but this guy is a complete and total tool

Yea but it was a fake, so...

So?

People are in here talking as if that was an actual protest, and I just want to make sure that we all understand that it's not.

If we all do understand and I am just making a fool of myself... well that's not really an uncommon thing.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Intresting !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUrCF7fpViw&feature=related

Religion sucks... the OT doesn't, so they should just STFU.

Errr... right....

Don't freak out, Queeq... I'm just kidding.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
This is pretty funny considering.

A) I'm Christian.

B) Half my friends are Christians

C) We all love Star Wars.

This thread fails for generalizing.

QFT.

I was going to say the same thing.

As mentioned, Lucas is a Methodist Christian, and the saga is full of tons of Spiritual references, both Christian and non.

I know a good many pastors who use Luke, Anakin, the temptation of darkside/power in sermons.

The people in the video are out to lunch, and not representative of most Christians.

Thank God for that.

It almost seems like that douche of a "reverend" who does all those "the truth behind..." bullshit. But did anyone notice in the very beginning at the bottom of the screen it says, "Yea, its a joke."? Make the picture full screen and you' should be able to see it.

hehehe

this is why ii make fun of nathan alot

That is why the video is senseless.

The Star Wars movies are not meant to be a guide for life, which is why psychotic fundamentalists need to freaking chill.

Amen.

How can some christians think Star Wars is evil....it's the shizzle, I love Star Wars

I've never heard one christian complain about starwars for any reason, and i've been going to church since before i can remember. (i take that back, Leia's bikini wasn't liked by some, but you can't make all of the people happy all of the time.)
The title of this thread is untrue.

Actually, SW could serve as a nice parable for the gospel. Juts like Pinocchio. But some Christians go a little beserk when they hear stuff like Force, fairies, wizards etc. They're considered demonic. Well, if a movie has the power to send you to hell, we have some serious problems.

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
People are in here talking as if that was an actual protest, and I just want to make sure that we all understand that it's not.

If we all do understand and I am just making a fool of myself... well that's not really an uncommon thing.

jac, people have a short attention span here. allow me:


The protest was fake. It was just a joke. It's purely comedy


however your soul will be damned to the lake of fire for denying that the PT sucks, so sayeth our lord jesus christ.

Luke:11:38- ...and christ said to his disciples, "go not to witness this blasphemy, for it does suck harshly."

Originally posted by queeq
Actually, SW could serve as a nice parable for the gospel. Juts like Pinocchio. But some Christians go a little beserk when they hear stuff like Force, fairies, wizards etc. They're considered demonic. Well, if a movie has the power to send you to hell, we have some serious problems.

That is true, and rediculus. Two of the most well-known christians who ever lived wrote stories with witches, wizards, and magic. But that's happily over-looked by those who consiter stories like Harry Potter (You all remember THAT don't you?), His dark Materials (Though I disagree with much of what the author has said before) possibly Star Wars (It wouldn't suprise me) evil.

Of course the funniest thing about this is that when anyone protests something like this, it causes more people to go see it, or read it, or listen to it, etc. It literally works the opposite of what they want.

Originally posted by Schecter
jac, people have a short attention span here. allow me:


The protest was fake. It was just a joke. It's purely comedy


uh... thanks, PVS.

show me your butthole

You're hungry again?

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
If we all do understand and I am just making a fool of myself... well that's not really an uncommon thing.

Keep it up. Ya funny to laugh at.

Fundie Christians think everything is evil

Any fundie thinks everything he doesn't like is evil. Fundie muslims, fundie animal activists, fundie nazi's... Fundie sucks.

No forget fundie commies and fundie trekkies.

Good call.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
As a Christian myself, I felt the Star Wars series exemplified Christian values. A few people go too far with criticizing pop culture and nonreligious people assume that means all Christians must feel a certain way. The truth is that we are a diverse group of different races, sexes, ages, and backgrounds and our opinions, hobbies, and interests are quite varied.

Certain values were understood through time and experience, and it didn't take religion to understand it

Originally posted by willofthewisp
The heart of Star Wars centers around someone lost to evil and his children trying to help redeem him. If that is not the main idea of Christianity, than I don't know what is. We all get a second chance through Christianity. Throughout the series, you have people of different social classes and even species that work together towards a common goal. It's about someone who finds a power in the universe greater than himself and lets it influence him to do good and make his environment a better place.

I like your view of this. Using what you know to do good for the good of mankind.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I think there is even a book out there called The Gospel Through Star Wars or something close to that.

Written by Luke?

Well.... I am christian and I don't think Star Wars is evil, so.. it fails.

Then you are lost!

Maybe it should say "some christians" .

Yeah...

Good sig.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
Jesus was talking about HIS DIVINE POWER, not some force that everyone has, cuz if that were the case we would have people force shoking eachother now, but Jesus is God, not a jedi.


Read the heretical gospel of Thomas.

Go to the Religion Forum.

1. This link is a JOKE
2. Star wars is not evil according to christians.
3. Although aliens and such suggest falsity of intelligent design, star wars and star trek and such are as they claim to be; science fiction and most christians accept this and most enjoy it.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Although aliens and such suggest falsity of intelligent design,

well think about it. was jar jar designed intelligently?

In Sw everyone's an alien... and therefore... no one.

Everything is evil according to Christians, or at the very least controversial

Everything? Sounds like a major exaggeration or you only know the more militant christians.

it was a major exaggeration, your right. Christianity just frustrates me is all

Hmm... I wonder why, even though this is not the right forum.

Originally posted by Stun
Everything is evil according to Christians, or at the very least controversial

nope. Not really. If you took everything in excess, everything might be evil.

And then it prolly is.

only in excess. and then everything is forgiveable. computor games are evil if you play them 10 hours a day, get fat and pastey white, and lose your will go to live in the real world. By this logic, if you eat otmeal to the point of dying of indigestion, eating oatmeal is evil. But you are forgiven in advance for doing so.

Ergo... people can act like they're evil. Things can't be evil.

So thoughts cant be evil?

Hmmm... interesting notion.

Maybe people are evil.

actually, they are with a few saving graces, and some help from god...

Examples?

no, can't think of any saving graces. Its all help from god.

Okay.