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Got messages informing me that they want this thread made....now. Ok, ban characters here, trade 'em, this is the complete draft pick discussion thread. To ban a character, 75% of the users need to agree, and at least 2 of the judges. All trades are allowed up until the day before the matches are up. Good luck Boys and Girls, and for ****'s sake, keep this civil...Trick, that means you.


-Red/Hawk/Spaulding/Hawkeye

Ban Dr. Arthur Light.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Ban Dr. Arthur Light.

jay's in charge of this here thread, Since I'm not on KMC often, He keeps it civilized and stuff. if he ahs too, he will use force to silence you troublemakers(trick)

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Ban Dr. Arthur Light.

Seriously, Dr Light has one-shotted Supes before. Doesn't that make him above Wonder Woman level?

I think so. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Seriously, Dr Light has one-shotted Supes before. Doesn't that make him above Wonder Woman level?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think so. ermmhappy

You can all die. durfist

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Ban Dr. Arthur Light. I agree.

Couldn't this be handled in the discussion thread? Or the draft thread? Is it really necessary to have separate threads for drafting, discussing the draft picks, and other discussion?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Couldn't this be handled in the discussion thread? Or the draft thread? Is it really necessary to have separate threads for drafting, discussing the draft picks, and other discussion?

The board may get pretty bloated once tournament matches start, and become top heavy with all the noted threads. I agree, it would be better to minimize as much as possible.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Couldn't this be handled in the discussion thread? Or the draft thread? Is it really necessary to have separate threads for drafting, discussing the draft picks, and other discussion?

Well, basing off how Illadelph's went down, where there were countless post about banning characters, it's better to keep two seperate threads...This one might get spammed, by a certain poster, but at least he'll have had a thread to post it all in. I want to keep the two seperate, I hope that isn't a problem big Gi

This thread will be unpinned. I added a direct link in the opening post of the Fuzzy Hawkeye & Newjak Present: The Magical Mystery Tourney Thread.

I request that we ban Aquarian on the principles of his otherworldly cheapness.

I request we ban Loki.

on what principles ?

He can make a dragon from a cloud,take Thors best hits and keep coming,has matched classsic strange in magic contests,can create clones,etc.


in essence,he's above WW.

I agree with both of these, and I call both of Fox's picks into question. Dagon and Ranark?

Also, Firestorm?

Ranark? As in Ranark the Ravager the Alpha Flight villian?

Yes.

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3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_20.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_21.jpg
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This guy. the one who punked Alpha Flight.

Sweeeeeet...I love it when AF characters get used

WW would tear Ranark apart.

Ban H/P Doomsday...his threads are useless

Not sure how this works... but I want to trade a character.

I would like to switch Northstar out for Wonder Woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_woman

Just an FYI, Not all characters drafted were approved by me, but it's ok, if any of you object to a drafted character, you know the routine.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Not sure how this works... but I want to trade a character.

I would like to switch Northstar out for Wonder Woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_woman

Trading with another user. Trading Aquarian for Northstar, should Blair approve, would be an example of trading... ermm

Originally posted by Fuzzy Hawkeye
Trading with another user. Trading Aquarian for Northstar, should Blair approve, would be an example of trading... ermm So, what I did, was a no go?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So, what I did, was a no go?

Also, Zatanna?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, Zatanna?

Yeah shes just a tad over the limits

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Yeah shes just a tad over the limits

I checked before drafting her. hawkeye said she was ok. Also if you consider the other mystical powerhouses in this she's not very different from them.

If Hawkeye okayed her, he must've been drunk.

Originally posted by jrodslam
JLA members are being controlled by Despero. Zatanna frees them and stops Despero. She also cleans up her mess. Or the mess thats in the house rather.

Also note she teleports away without casting the spell.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5719/scan0012eo3.th.jpghttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8392/scan0013cr6.th.jpghttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9066/scan0014dh7.th.jpg

Consider the fact that her speed is far exceeded by just about all the other characters in this tourney, and many of the characters such as Loki can cast spells with just as much power.

Originally posted by Akuki
Consider the fact that her speed is far exceeded by just about all the other characters in this tourney

You amalgamated her with Supergirl, so I really don't want to see that argument.

Also, iirc, the amalgamated character itself wasn't supposed to be > WW level.

Originally posted by Akuki
Consider the fact that her speed is far exceeded by just about all the other characters in this tourney, and many of the characters such as Loki can cast spells with just as much power.

Consider the fact that shes owned the likes of Despero, Martian Manhunter, animated the moon and gave it powers, can warp reality
I'd say shes >> than Wonder woman

Originally posted by batdude123
You amalgamated her with Supergirl, so I really don't want to see that argument.

Also, iirc, the amalgamated character itself wasn't supposed to be > WW level.

The amalgamated character can be far higher than Wonderwoman level. Just about every single amalgam drafted so far is stronger than Wonderwoman. the amalgam is fine so long as the individual characters can be taken out by wonder woman.

Zatanna is under the limits simply because while she has very good spellcasting abilities, she's very vulnerable.
She's gotten taken out by the Joker with a pistol before.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17mx5.jpg

Originally posted by Akuki
The amalgamated character can be far higher than Wonderwoman level. Just about every single amalgam drafted so far is stronger than Wonderwoman. the amalgam is fine so long as the individual characters can be taken out by wonder woman.

Zatanna is under the limits simply because while she has very good spellcasting abilities, she's very vulnerable.
She's gotten taken out by the Joker with a pistol before.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17mx5.jpg
She healed herself in seconds though you're not showing what happened after that
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2913/21uf2.th.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2526/22fn5.th.jpg
Not to mention she's a lot faster than you give he credit for
transmutating bullets after they've been fired
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fate1013wd1.jpg

Not to mention shes Mind wiped Martian Manhunter before
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4896/jla115004uu2.th.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2894/jla115007ig7.th.jpg

And she's also turned bullets into butterflies after they've been fired as well. You posting a low showing for her doesn't change the fact that power-wise, she is well above Wonder Woman.

All Zatanna needs to do to win a match here is speak a word. One word, and the match is over with.

This is ridiculous. If there's a single character that deserves to get banned from this, it's Zatanna.

Also...

Originally posted by Devil Lance
She healed herself in seconds though you're not showing what happened after that

Originally posted by Akuki
The amalgamated character can be far higher than Wonderwoman level. Just about every single amalgam drafted so far is stronger than Wonderwoman. the amalgam is fine so long as the individual characters can be taken out by wonder woman.

Zatanna is under the limits simply because while she has very good spellcasting abilities, she's very vulnerable.
She's gotten taken out by the Joker with a pistol before.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17mx5.jpg The problem is, WW isn't beating Zatanna...

One low showing? I guess that overrides things like blocking Mary Marvel's attacks, and other things...
Originally posted by jrodslam
Zee changes bullets to mist and flames into butterflies. Kinda makes you wonder exactly how fast Zee casts her spells.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/817/zatannabulletsandflamesvw8.th.png

Also, HOM Wanda got KO'ed/killed by an arrow (sure she got up, but so did Zee)... does that count as vulnerable? Should I be drafting her?

This is BS. The massive amount of spell casting, reality warping and one army schtick she did in Seven Soldiers alone, is enough to get her banned.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is BS. The massive amount of spell casting, reality warping and one army schtick she did in Seven Soldiers alone, is enough to get her banned.

Oh yes, yes indeed.

Let's not turn this into the farce that last years picks were, shall we gentlemen ?

Zatanna gets a huge no from me.

i think akuki is switching her out, so thats cool...

in case this was in the wrong thread (amended to add fox's vote on lang and acknowledge akuki's switch to frankie raye):
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all righty. there were some very creative picks these first couple rds. among them, there are only a couple i have any problems with.

madison jefferies i have issue with. i researched him quite extensively in hopes of maybe taking him, however, when i saw that he is (by all evidence) INDESTRUCTIBLE while merged with box, i figured there is no way he should be allowed. he is quite a bit beyond the killability limit for this tournament. here is a quote from his bio on alphanex, the best source of info on any and all things alpha flight:





in many ways, while phased, jefferies is very similar to henshaw. while part of box, he is also immune to cable-level tp.

i vote to ban jefferies for exceeding the durability cap.

the only other one i question is firestorm. admittedly, i don't know much about him currently, but i've . . . heard from a couple people who are suggesting he should be looked at closely. so i was wondering if anyone had more knowledge about him so we could make a more informed decision.

so, my list (feel free to copy and add or just add your votes):

Jefferies: exceeds killability cap
Firestorm: awaiting further proof
Lang: fox against (ohk)

anyone else? thoughts?

there you go...

votes against characters:

Loki: martian
Firestorm: trick
Jefferies/Box: leo
Lang: Fox

i'd need some proof before i voted against Firestorm, trick. and was someone clowning when they voted against aquarian, or should he be added to the list?

i think fox was just saying lang was cheap, but given some of the other picks...

Originally posted by leonidas
votes against characters:

Loki: martian
Firestorm: trick
Jefferies/Box: leo
Lang: Fox

i'd need some proof before i voted against Firestorm, trick. and was someone clowning when they voted against aquarian, or should he be added to the list?

I'm serious on Aquarian. Their is a reason he was banned in all other tournies !

Originally posted by grey fox
I'm serious on Aquarian. Their is a reason he was banned in all other tournies !

if you'd enlighten us, we might know what you mean...

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox

did i miss anything?

what does OHK mean?

Originally posted by Raoul
what does OHK mean?

One Hit Kill.

Originally posted by grey fox
One Hit Kill.

oh... well to be honest, i hadn't intended on using the phalanx to infect opposing team members (in truth, i hadnt even thought about it), just fyi...

Originally posted by Raoul
oh... well to be honest, i hadn't intended on using the phalanx to infect opposing team members (in truth, i hadnt even thought about it), just fyi...

yeah, sure.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, sure.

honestly...

i'll shut up about it anyways, i don't want to be difficult about it... i'll leave it up to the vote...

Originally posted by Raoul
honestly...

i don't want to be difficult about it...



yeah, sure.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, sure.

ha-son

Originally posted by leonidas
Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox

did i miss anything?

Co-sign on Loki. Marty made the respect thread. I trust his call.

As for FS, just look at the respect thread. There's more than enough there to nuke him fromt his tourney.

Didn't know that about Jeffries........that makes him, as you said, 'Henshaw lite'. Banhammer him.

I'll co-sign lang too.

I can't co-sign Aquarian without a few scans at least.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Co-sign on Loki. Marty made the respect thread. I trust his call.

As for FS, just look at the respect thread. There's more than enough there to nuke him fromt his tourney.

Didn't know that about Jeffries........that makes him, as you said, 'Henshaw lite'. Banhammer him.

I'll co-sign lang too.

I can't co-sign Aquarian without a few scans at least.

The guys power description alone is enough to banhammer him trick. The guy extends a field of other 500 metres and within it gravity, light, superhuman powers , ect are nullified. Save for him. He can then casually walk in and use his class 1-5 strength to tear everyone a new arsehole.

...........Aw what the hell. I already have the rep of being the 'ban him!' guy anyways.

Nuke the ****er.

The field affects him too. He cannot do his leaping ability, it even says it in the bio. You have to be creative when fighting him, but that does not mean he needs banning BOTH NJ and Red approved him even when I told them who he was because I was certain they had not heard of him.

And as far as Box goes, he exceeds the kill ability limit? Are you serious?

Is he hard to put down? Yes.
Can he be killed? Yes
Does Wonder Woman have better physical stats all around, and have a better protection than he ever will just by crossing her arms? Yes.

In fact, with the case that Leo has presented I could make the same case saying that no one has EVER breached Magneto's shields....does that make him unkillable? Thor, Galactus, ect ect. have tried and none have succeeded.

Do I believe both Box and Magneto belong on this level? Yes.

Even Mungi says the same:


He can be KO'd, and outside of his Box armor he is just a guy.

Seriously JUST Box vs Wonder Woman? Id give the fight to Wonder Woman.

Just thought Id give my defense. Everyone can make a rational decision...I know for a fact a few other people wanted Box, and no one thought of him above this level.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The field affects him too. He cannot do his leaping ability, it even says it in the bio. You have to be creative when fighting him, but that does not mean he needs banning BOTH NJ and Red approved him even when I told them who he was because I was certain they had not heard of him.

And as far as Box goes, he exceeds the kill ability limit? Are you serious?

Is he hard to put down? Yes.
Can he be killed? Yes
Does Wonder Woman have better physical stats all around, and have a better protection than he ever will just by crossing her arms? Yes.

Even Mungi says the same:


He can be KO'd, and outside of his Box armor he is just a guy.

Seriously JUST Box vs Wonder Woman? Id give the fight to Wonder Woman.

Just thought Id give my defense. Everyone can make a rational decision...I know for a fact a few other people wanted Box, and no one thought of him above this level.

So we have a punch of ordinary humans, floating around , blind , unable to hear ect. It's cheap and silly.

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick

as far as jefferies: for those still unsure, look through mungi's AF respect thread and see what you think. make informed decisions. if you are interested at all in a tech-related strategy, i STRONGLY suggest you look through it.

for the record, i think he has certainly been placed in the wrong tier.

FYI, Jeffries has his own respect thread, so you don't have to go look through the AF one.

You think he is mid-herald?

Originally posted by leonidas
Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick

as far as jefferies: for those still unsure, look through mungi's AF respect thread and see what you think. make informed decisions. if you are interested at all in a tech-related strategy, i STRONGLY suggest you look through it.

for the record, i think he has certainly been placed in the wrong tier.

I'm going to have to add my vote against Loki, Firestorm and Aquarian.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
FYI, Jeffries has his own respect thread, so you don't have to go look through the AF one.

You think he is mid-herald?

yes.

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

Originally posted by leonidas
yes.

Well...then, get to it

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=447826&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well...then, get to it

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=447826&pagenumber=1



why do i have a feeling you've been in favor of that for some time . . .?

and thanks for the link.

Anyone who's curious about FS, read this.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t453167.html

is trick trying to get everyone but his own characters banned? ermm

Originally posted by Raoul
is trick trying to get everyone but his own characters banned? ermm
That's his usual m.o.

Nope. Just yours.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nope. Just yours.

you realise that there's plenty in the way of evidence to get light banned too, considering his showings?

you're the second person to suggest light be banned, pr. should i add him to the list?

Originally posted by leonidas
you're the second person to suggest light be banned, pr. should i add him to the list?

ok, sure...

also: i'm against jeffries being kicked.

can we vote to keep our own guys in?

Not that my vote matters much, but there's no reason why Light should be kicked off.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not that my vote matters much, but there's no reason why Light should be kicked off. Are you a judge Batdude?

If so then your vote does matter

I'll judge if I'm asked, but my name isn't exactly on the list of judges for this tourney.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not that my vote matters much, but there's no reason why Light should be kicked off.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'll judge if I'm asked, but my name isn't exactly on the list of judges for this tourney. Yup then your vote doesn't count sorry

I'm too sexy for this tourney anyway...

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm too sexy for this tourney anyway... Considering that Leo is on board that claim is false

Sexy-wise, leo's got nothing on me.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sexy-wise, leo's got nothing on me. Well we also have PR.

Likewise for PR.

Originally posted by batdude123
Likewise for PR.

both x and jay would disagree... uhuh

It's not my fault X and Jay are attracted to the ugo's. baka

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm too sexy for this tourney anyway...



Originally posted by Newjak
Considering that Leo is on board that claim is false



Originally posted by batdude123
Sexy-wise, leo's got nothing on me.



Originally posted by Newjak
Well we also have PR.



Originally posted by batdude123
Likewise for PR.

ermmhappy

Originally posted by batdude123
It's not my fault X and Jay are attracted to the ugo's. baka

x isn't "teh sex" for nothing! if dude says you're sexy, it's in the books.

Originally posted by leonidas
x isn't "teh sex" for nothing! if dude says you're sexy, it's in the books.

X doesn't know anything.

He's the master of old time sexy... he didn't realize that I'm bringing sexy back out of the dark ages. baka

ANYWAY . . .

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, leo
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki
Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

(after looking through the respect thread i think firestorm IS over the limit for this thing. )

Originally posted by batdude123
It's not my fault X and Jay are attracted to the ugo's. baka

shock

Originally posted by leonidas

Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

yes.

Originally posted by Raoul
yes.



you talking to yourself, or are you 'yes-ing' something in particular . . .?

Are we counting those who vote to keep characters? Pr (Raoul) is against banning Madison, as am I, and have Mungi backing us up (not sure if he is part of the tournament, but we all know he is the AF expert)

I also think that in a tournament where Sersi is allowed, Firestorm is fine.

Originally posted by leonidas


you talking to yourself, or are you 'yes-ing' something in particular . . .?

i edited...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Are we counting those who vote to keep characters? Pr (Raoul) is against banning Madison, as am I, and have Mungi backing us up (not sure if he is part of the tournament, but we all know he is the AF expert)

I also think that in a tournament where Sersi is allowed, Firestorm is fine.

wait, sersi was allowed?

firestorm has far better (and much broader) transmuting feats than she does, but i leave it to the voters to decide. and i think only the judges votes count. i think jay and bada are both judging, but i'm not positive . . .

and a non-vote as always counts as support for a character.

Originally posted by Raoul
i edited...

ah.





sersi? who is this . . . sersi you speak of . . .?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Are we counting those who vote to keep characters? Pr (Raoul) is against banning Madison, as am I, and have Mungi backing us up (not sure if he is part of the tournament, but we all know he is the AF expert)

I also think that in a tournament where Sersi is allowed, Firestorm is fine. It doesn't matter who votes against.

In order to ban someone they must get 70% of the participant vote and two judge votes.

Originally posted by leonidas
ah.





sersi? who is this . . . sersi you speak of . . .?

uhuh

i'm on to you...

not on you the way newjak would be, but, you know...

Originally posted by Raoul
uhuh

i'm on to you...

not on you the way newjak would be, but, you know...

Newjak can't control himself when leo is around.

Originally posted by batdude123
Newjak can't control himself when leo is around. Please you act like I'm a groupie or something.

Let's get one thing straight I can not control myself when anybody is around.

Originally posted by Newjak
Please you act like I'm a groupie or something.

Let's get one thing straight I can not control myself when anybody is around.

Originally posted by batdude123

Is this really the thread for all this?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Is this really the thread for all this?

i'd ask what you prefer, but im not sure i want to know...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Is this really the thread for all this? I answered your question didn't I

Pfft! at Loki up for a ban. Kid's versatile as all hell, but there's no one attribute that's through the roof with him. Even his limited matter manip. feats are under at least a couple other picks in this tourney (though they may be getting talked about too).

I realize my word means nothing, but I have to stick up for anyone I'm a fan of. It's a matter of principle...

durfist

Originally posted by leonidas
firestorm has far better (and much broader) transmuting feats than she does, but i leave it to the voters to decide. and i think only the judges votes count. i think jay and bada are both judging, but i'm not positive . . .

and a non-vote as always counts as support for a character. Sersi also has very good telepathy, teleportation, illusions, possibly tk/cosmic energy (I forget), flight, healing, and, being an eternal, is extremely hard to put down. Plus the much, much, much better physical stats that she starts off with.

She's also changed people's species... de-aged people... turned bullets into flowers, etc.

Not only is her powerset much more expansive, but she can transmute just as well as Firestorm.

Oh, and, for the record, characaters that can OHKO are allowed, but they aren't allowed to OHKO in the tournament.

Originally posted by Raoul
uhuh

i'm on to you...

what?

Also, 9 votes for a ban in a tourney with 12 people??

Give up now folks. You'll never get that number for ANYONE. You could draft Thanos and you'd have a hard time getting to 9, due to the high percentage of people who would actually have to bother to vote.

Lower it to maybe 7. Still a majority, and then there's at least a fighting chance.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Sersi also has very good telepathy, teleportation, illusions, possibly tk/cosmic energy (I forget), flight, healing, and, being an eternal, is extremely hard to put down. Plus the much, much, much better physical stats that she starts off with.

She's also changed people's species... de-aged people... turned bullets into flowers, etc.

Not only is her powerset much more expansive, but she can transmute just as well as Firestorm.

Oh, and, for the record, characaters that can OHKO are allowed, but they aren't allowed to OHKO in the tournament.

all true. she does lack the intangibility that makes firestorm so tough to pin down though and his healing is at least equal.

meh. i'll rescind my vote against firestorm, though in a 1on1 battle, i'd take firestorm over sersi. still, admittedly, it'd be close.

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki
Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

and i agree digi -- there is next to no chance anyone will actually get banned with such a majority needed.

Originally posted by leonidas
"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki
Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

and i agree digi -- there is next to no chance anyone will actually get banned with such a majority needed.

Add me to being against Aquarian

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Sersi also has very good telepathy, teleportation, illusions, possibly tk/cosmic energy (I forget), flight, healing, and, being an eternal, is extremely hard to put down. Plus the much, much, much better physical stats that she starts off with.

She's also changed people's species... de-aged people... turned bullets into flowers, etc.

Not only is her powerset much more expansive, but she can transmute just as well as Firestorm.

YEAH!



YEAH!

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl
Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

do jay and bada's votes count??

Originally posted by leonidas
"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox, trick
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl
Dr. Light: (power level above caps) pr (jay and bada are also against light, but . . . do their votes count? )

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

do jay and bada's votes count??

Do you guys find both MJ, and Box over the cap? Because you can't ban a character based off the reasoning that the amalgam is to powerful.

Originally posted by Fuzzy Hawkeye
Do you guys find both MJ, and Box over the cap? Because you can't ban a character based off the reasoning that the amalgam is to powerful.

i'm not sure what you mean, tell the truth. jefferies and box come as a tandem. i don't care that he paired them up with ivo. it's jefferies i have the problem with. even box doesn't mean anything.

if he stays, i gotta feeling i'll have a few i-told-ya-so's to send out in a few weeks . . .

and what about jay's and bada's votes??

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure what you mean, tell the truth. jefferies and box come as a tandem. i don't care that he paired them up with ivo. it's jefferies i have the problem with. even box doesn't mean anything.

if he stays, i gotta feeling i'll have a few i-told-ya-so's to send out in a few weeks . . .

and what about jay's and bada's votes??

All I'm stating, is that you can't ban a character based on how powerful the amalgam is, just the individual characters that make it up.

Well, if they said ban them. That's the two mods. Now it needs a majority consensus, and the character will be banned

Originally posted by Fuzzy Hawkeye
All I'm stating, is that you can't ban a character based on how poerful the amalgam is, just the individual characters that make it up.

coolio. that's NOT what i'm doing.

Originally posted by Fuzzy Hawkeye
All I'm stating, is that you can't ban a character based on how powerful the amalgam is, just the individual characters that make it up.

Well, if they said ban them. That's the two mods. Now it needs a majority consensus, and the character will be banned Jeffries and Box is one character.

The two names are for clarification.

I'm gonna give a big WTF @ Dr. Light's consideration to be banned from this tourney. Seriously...

I'm gonna put it out there again just for the public good:

7 votes, not 9. No one will ever get banned if it's the latter unless they're above top tire.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm gonna give a big WTF @ Dr. Light's consideration to be banned from this tourney. Seriously...

you know why...

Yeah... but even if it IS Trick, he doesn't need to be sabotaged in the tourney drafting. 313

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah... but even if it IS Trick, he doesn't need to be sabotaged in the tourney drafting. 313

true... if he rescinds lang, i rescind light...

I'll rescind Lang. But if you pull some Borg shit, I'm going to dur you. durfist

doh

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'll rescind Lang. But if you pull some Borg shit, I'm going to dur you. durfist

...ermm

I wonder if Trick would ever make an argument as to Wonder Woman being banned... hmmm...
It seems he just voted against every character up there except his. Heh?

Also, is Sersi the one who turned Thor into a frog easily (Loki has as well)?

I''ll cosign against Firestorm,and Aquarian.

In defense of Loki:

He is certainly both powerful and versitile (which is of course why I drafted him). In most showings however, he's certainly less so than a Green Lantern. His high showings, while perhaps over the line in some cases, usually involve significant use artifacts, prep, or other circumstantial support that wouldn't come into play here.

For example: when he famously turned Thor into a frog, he tapped the power of Surtur's sword do do so. Unless the dread blade Twilight will be lying around on the battlefield (please please please please ), that shouldn't really be a disqualification.

WRT comparisons to Wonder Woman, while he can do many things that she can't, he certainly doesn't exceed her at any of her specialties. There should be no problem there either.

I'll go look the respect thread over. It's probably worth a 2nd look. I stand solidly behind the others though.

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl, martian

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
In defense of Loki:

He is certainly both powerful and versitile (which is of course why I drafted him). In most showings however, he's certainly less so than a Green Lantern. His high showings, while perhaps over the line in some cases, usually involve significant use artifacts, prep, or other circumstantial support that wouldn't come into play here.

For example: when he famously turned Thor into a frog, he tapped the power of Surtur's sword do do so. Unless the dread blade Twilight will be lying around on the battlefield (please please please please ), that shouldn't really be a disqualification.

WRT comparisons to Wonder Woman, while he can do many things that she can't, he certainly doesn't exceed her at any of her specialties. There should be no problem there either.

hmm, ill do the same as trick, then decide whether to vote or not...

Thanks guys. Keep in mind also that most of the really out-there stuff in the respect thread is old. Lots of the characters we're throwing around here have some rather bizarre Silver Age silliness in their closets. We generally take that sort of thing with a grain of salt in forum battles, and approach our character interpretations with more modern sensibilities.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Thanks guys. Keep in mind also that most of the really out-there stuff in the respect thread is old. Lots of the characters we're throwing around here have some rather bizarre Silver Age silliness in their closets. We generally take that sort of thing with a grain of salt in forum battles, and approach our character interpretations with more modern sensibilities.

oh definitely...

Originally posted by leonidas
"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl, martian

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

I actually don't have a problem with any of these guys (well obviously not Loki ), provided we're all on the same page insofar as having the power to deliver a OHK doesn't mean that you're allowed to do so. Many of the "unkillable" simply require an oblique vector of attack.

I do object to Dr. Light, as his powerset is awful close to that of a Green Lantern, and thus should be off-limits.

Also Supergirl should be out of bounds, as "characters like Superman" are explicitly excluded.

Anybody have some better links for Dagon? I'm not sure what to make of him.

Dr. Light...

Seriously, he's fine for this tourney.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I actually don't have a problem with any of these guys (well obviously not Loki ), provided we're all on the same page insofar as having the power to deliver a OHK doesn't mean that you're allowed to do so. Many of the "unkillable" simply require an oblique vector of attack.

I do object to Dr. Light, as his powerset is awful close to that of a Green Lantern, and thus should be off-limits.

Also Supergirl should be out of bounds, as "characters like Superman" are explicitly excluded.

Anybody have some better links for Dagon? I'm not sure what to make of him.

supergirl would get spanked by diana though (and hopefully we'd all get to watch)

I really don't see the problem with Light either. I know his powers remind one of a GL or Quasar, but despite the similarities he functions on a much lower level most of the time(at least that's what I was told). Comparing the two is very similar to comparing Ms. Marvel to Wonder Woman or She Hulk to the Hulk IMO.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I actually don't have a problem with any of these guys (well obviously not Loki ), provided we're all on the same page insofar as having the power to deliver a OHK doesn't mean that you're allowed to do so. Many of the "unkillable" simply require an oblique vector of attack.

I do object to Dr. Light, as his powerset is awful close to that of a Green Lantern, and thus should be off-limits.

Also Supergirl should be out of bounds, as "characters like Superman" are explicitly excluded.

Anybody have some better links for Dagon? I'm not sure what to make of him.

Supergirl has specifically gone hand to hand with Wonder woman and lost. I don't see how she's above caps.

I'm pretty sure "characters like Superman" implies equals in power, with a similar powerset, with similar skill, control and showings.

Nobody's going to get away with drafting Gladiator, Majestic or Sentry.

At least, I hope nobody thinks they can draft Sentry.

For that purpose... Nightshade is a lot like a GL, but it would be asinine to try to ban her for a similar powerset.

If that's the case...

Apollo is like Superman.
Grey Hulk is like Doomsday.
Danger is like Hank Henshaw.

Etc.

Fair enough. As long as we all understand that, while they are of a kind, there is a significant difference in degree I withdraw my objection.

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