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Did she kill anyone besides gorgans and monsters before what's-his-face?

Not sure.

It's pretty funny that she condemned Barry Allen for killing Zoom and voted to have him expelled from the justice league. Then later on, she killed what's his face.

I had always thought she had killed a lot before that. I mean, she's Warrior Born... doesn't make sense that everyone would condemn her for doing something in her nature...

It's like KC Batman said.

Preach peace and get ready to bloody your fist doing so.

I think she has.

Didn't she kill someone during the Perez era? Some storyline with Ares in it?

Hypocritical *****.

Meh

So many super heroes being against killing is a joke IMO.

I think the other DC heroes should get off her case. Marvel heroes never got after Thor when he killed someone, before or after his Avengers days. They are both warriors born. I guess because she's supposed to represent Themyscria, they expect her to hold back.
Orion is another one who takes lives in combat. Superman may disapprove, but I don't see him refusing to associate with Orion because of it.

Yeah I really don't get it. So what if she represents Themyscara? Isn't it basically a woman's warrior tribe? I thought they were known for killing men...

Originally posted by roughrider
I think the other DC heroes should get off her case. Marvel heroes never got after Thor when he killed someone, before or after his Avengers days. They are both warriors born. I guess because she's supposed to represent Themyscria, they expect her to hold back.
Orion is another one who takes lives in combat. Superman may disapprove, but I don't see him refusing to associate with Orion because of it.

Uhm, Odin surely got on Thor's ass.

He was depowered after he killed Loki.

Originally posted by llagrok
Uhm, Odin surely got on Thor's ass.

He was depowered after he killed Loki. How do you kill a god?

I honestly know almost nothing of Thor but having him kill Loki seems almost pointless and impossible because A.) We all know thats gonna mean jack later basically, and B.) Gods are abstracts so i don't really see how they can "be killed"

Originally posted by Entity
How do you kill a god?

I honestly know almost nothing of Thor but having him kill Loki seems almost pointless and impossible because A.) We all know thats gonna mean jack later basically, and B.) Gods are abstracts so i don't really see how they can "be killed"

Gods aren't abstracts at all. They're just extremely powerful creatures.

and loki's a frost giant, not a god of odin's bloodline

Originally posted by Entity
How do you kill a god?

I honestly know almost nothing of Thor but having him kill Loki seems almost pointless and impossible because A.) We all know thats gonna mean jack later basically, and B.) Gods are abstracts so i don't really see how they can "be killed"

Thor absorbed Loki's life force into Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Blight
what's-his-face?

Originally posted by llagrok
what's his face.


what's his face = Maxwell Lord

Originally posted by willRules
what's his face = Maxwell Lord No. Kind of illustrates the point of the thread.

What's his face = what's his face.

Originally posted by roughrider
I think the other DC heroes should get off her case. Marvel heroes never got after Thor when he killed someone, before or after his Avengers days. They are both warriors born. I guess because she's supposed to represent Themyscria, they expect her to hold back.
Orion is another one who takes lives in combat. Superman may disapprove, but I don't see him refusing to associate with Orion because of it.

superman's reaction was due to his own guilt at his inability to fight lord's programming, imo...

Originally posted by Raoul
superman's reaction was due to his own guilt at his inability to fight lord's programming, imo...

I know that was part of it. Superman & Batman always try to find an alternative to killing, so they don't know how to handle it when Diana can be much easier & decisive making that choice.

Originally posted by roughrider
I know that was part of it. Superman & Batman always try to find an alternative to killing, so they don't know how to handle it when Diana can be much easier & decisive making that choice.

yeah, thats true... they're so alike at times, yet so completely different when it comes to issues like this...

i always thought they were quite hard on diana (even lois thought clark was overreacting), but i do see why they felt as if they did...

to be honest i think clark would have preferred she killed him rather than lord, such is his way... birthright did explore to an extent why he views life as sacredly as he does, so i can't fully disagree with his reaction...

not saying diana was right, or wrong, though...

Originally posted by Raoul
yeah, thats true... they're so alike at times, yet so completely different when it comes to issues like this...

i always thought they were quite hard on diana (even lois thought clark was overreacting), but i do see why they felt as if they did...

to be honest i think clark would have preferred she killed him rather than lord, such is his way... birthright did explore to an extent why he views life as sacredly as he does, so i can't fully disagree with his reaction...

not saying diana was right, or wrong, though...

Quite perceptive insight about Supes...he might actually have preferred his death over Lord's, because that's his way of seeing things. It also could be described as not seeing the forest for the trees - for what he does for the world, he shouldn't die so Maxwell Lord could live; that's how Diana saw it.
Clark's reaction was mild compared to Bruce, though - the way he shut her out. Down deep, he's still that angry 8-year old, trying to deny the reality of death.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
No. Kind of illustrates the point of the thread.

What's his face = what's his face.

*Checks comic*






Nope, he's called Maxwell Lord, I don't see your point.

The point is that what's his face deserved the sweet release of death.

MAXWELL LORD!!!!!



WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE ABLE TO SAY HIS NAME????????

Originally posted by roughrider
Quite perceptive insight about Supes...he might actually have preferred his death over Lord's, because that's his way of seeing things. It also could be described as not seeing the forest for the trees - for what he does for the world, he shouldn't die so Maxwell Lord could live; that's how Diana saw it.
Clark's reaction was mild compared to Bruce, though - the way he shut her out. Down deep, he's still that angry 8-year old, trying to deny the reality of death.

thx , but yeah, bruce was quite extreme, though he does tend to go over the deep end at times, just like when he found out what the league did to him and doctor light...

Originally posted by Entity
How do you kill a god?

I honestly know almost nothing of Thor but having him kill Loki seems almost pointless and impossible because A.) We all know thats gonna mean jack later basically, and B.) Gods are abstracts so i don't really see how they can "be killed"

Asgard's gods aren't truly immortal like the Olympian gods.

Originally posted by willRules
MAXWELL LORD!!!!!



WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE ABLE TO SAY HIS NAME????????

I don't get what the in-joke is about, either.

Is Superman's own execution of the Kryptonian criminals no longer considered canon? Every time the subject of Superman and killing comes up, Clark acts if there is nothing more unlikely that he would ever do.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Is Superman's own execution of the Kryptonian criminals no longer considered canon? Every time the subject of Superman and killing comes up, Clark acts if there is nothing more unlikely that he would ever do.

Last time I checked even thinking about killing them devastates him.

Then again Zod showed up alive recently didn't he so maybe they didn't really die? But he still thought he killed them either way.

And doesn't Superman trust Batman with kryptonite, to kill him if he ever went rogue or out of control? Seems a bit hypocritical.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Last time I checked even thinking about killing them devastates him.

Then again Zod showed up alive recently didn't he so maybe they didn't really die? But he still thought he killed them either way.

Alternate universe zod, though i dont know if its still canon...

Originally posted by roughrider
And doesn't Superman trust Batman with kryptonite, to kill him if he ever went rogue or out of control? Seems a bit hypocritical.

but superman values other lives above his own... an evil superman means lots of deaths, so he'd gladly give up his own life to spare them...

Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Very true. 131

Originally posted by Raoul


Damn not being bad Raoul but I think you got owned...in a nice way of course....not that sort of way....gonna shut up now.

Anyway my fav villain I think is Kang, too tired to explain.

i actually disagree with all of that... but i think entity and i have had our share of supes fighting...

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Superman does nothing but give and give.

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Have you ever...

You know...

Read a Superman comic?

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.

that's why when he deems it necessary to kill someone its ok but with everyone else its wrong regardless of the circumstances!

Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?

But let someone with more power than Supes come on to the scene and Clark will deem when its ok pretty quick unless they agree with almost exactly his view point on the use of their power.

He wasn't talking about killing him, "YET" but look how quick he got on Kyle's case when he gained the classic Ion power!
And Kyle had done nothing but help and good with his new abilities!

Lulz

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Damn not being bad Raoul but I think you got owned...in a nice way of course....not that sort of way....gonna shut up now.


X2

Read For Tomorrow.

Pretty good.

Originally posted by Entity


Everyone remember Dark Knight Returns when he said Bat's couldn't be allowed to kill Joker, regardless of the countless people that had died and would continue to die do to his being allowed to live?



No such conversation happened. You're thinking of the 'Death In The Family' storyline where Joker killed Jason Todd, and got made the new ambassador for Iran - which meant he got pardoned for all crimes past. Superman was called in to restrain Batman from attacking( and possibly killing) Joker at the U.N. but all he did was advise Bruce not to do anything he'd regret.
Superman isn't perfect and isn't always right, but he is well intentioned.

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick...

You're a moron.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're a moron.

hey... being wrong doesn't make him a moron, don't be such a meanie... uhuh

Originally posted by Raoul
hey... being wrong doesn't make him a moron, don't be such a meanie... uhuh

...

He's a moron.

Originally posted by batdude123
...

He's a moron.

He's between 8 and 12 years old?


I have no life

Originally posted by Entity
Superman is an arrogant self righteous prick that thinks his way is the only way and that's all there is to his. His opinion is right and that's the end of it.



Huh....

Originally posted by batdude123
...

He's a moron.

How about we NOT call each other morons, can we do that?

Thanks.

No.

Originally posted by Batman
You're a moron.

Originally posted by Superman
hey... being wrong doesn't make him a moron, don't be such a meanie... uhuh

Originally posted by Batman
...

He's a moron.

Originally posted by Jeph Loeb
How about we NOT call each other morons, can we do that?

Thanks.

Originally posted by Stan "The Man" Lee
Huh....

I think she was justified in killing what's his face though I do entertain the possibility that she could of broke all his bones that weren't part of his torso and maybe achieved the same thing.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're a moron.

Careful, or El Sexo will get you peaches

Originally posted by llagrok
Careful, or El Sexo will get you peaches

Si!

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I think she was justified in killing what's his face though I do entertain the possibility that she could of broke all his bones that weren't part of his torso and maybe achieved the same thing.

The lasso compelled Lord to say the truth. He said "Kill Me." Diana wouldn't question the wisdom of Gaea's magic.

Originally posted by roughrider
The lasso compelled Lord to say the truth. He said "Kill Me." Diana wouldn't question the wisdom of Gaea's magic.

Well, he said that there was no other way to free Superman from his control other than to kill him.

And it could have just been that Lord was wrong. The lasso of truth can't make you tell the truth if you don't know you're wrong- I mean, maybe Dr. Fate could have freed Superman from Lord's control. Or maybe the Martian Manhunter could have done it over a very, very long time. Or maybe if Maxwell Lord had his powers removed like Superman did Manchester Black, it'd work. I mean, Maxwell Lord might just have been wrong that there were no other ways- maybe he just didn't know about them.

WW should have ripped what's his face in half... would have made a better spectacle to all the fans.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Well, he said that there was no other way to free Superman from his control other than to kill him.

And it could have just been that Lord was wrong. The lasso of truth can't make you tell the truth if you don't know you're wrong- I mean, maybe Dr. Fate could have freed Superman from Lord's control. Or maybe the Martian Manhunter could have done it over a very, very long time. Or maybe if Maxwell Lord had his powers removed like Superman did Manchester Black, it'd work. I mean, Maxwell Lord might just have been wrong that there were no other ways- maybe he just didn't know about them.

you're right about that, i agree... the lasso only compels you to tell what you believe is the truth, you can't admit something you believe is a lie...