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Well it's been building up for a while now, and we're are finally seeing it come into fruition...

So what are your thoughts on Gog's return? Where do you think DC is going with this?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well it's been building up for a while now, and we're are finally seeing it come into fruition...

So what are your thoughts on Gog's return? Where do you think DC is going with this?

final crisis? ermm

I was thinking this could tie into Final Crisis as well -- not really sure how though..

Originally posted by Galan007
I was thinking this could tie into Final Crisis as well -- not really sure how though..

i'm sure johns will figure something out... i'd say atm they're trying to make sure that fc is as all inclusive as possible...

The JSA storyline has been awesome. It's still the best teambook hands down.

If DC is thinking right...he plays a major role in FC.

Hmm...I wonder how this Gog would deal with the current Captain Atom (i.e. Monarch)

As much as I'm digging on the current JSA storyline, to be honest, I find all the wanking over Kingdom Come and anything Alex Ross has ever done kind of annoying (Red Robin costume, Plastic Man's son adopting the name Offspring, Gog, KC Superman on DC Earth...)

But I didn't like Kingdom Come all that much, so meh.

Originally posted by tjcoady
But I didn't like Kingdom Come all that much, so meh. none

I'm pretty sure that's a bannable offense.

Originally posted by Galan007
none

I'm pretty sure that's a bannable offense.

If it isn't, it should be.

Originally posted by tjcoady
But I didn't like Kingdom Come all that much, so meh.

What?

Well I'm liking it, and I kinda have the feeling KC Superman might die fighting Gog

Originally posted by Soljer
If it isn't, it should be.

I'll get to work on that...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well I'm liking it, and I kinda have the feeling KC Superman might die fighting Gog I agree.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

He's really just to strong to keep around, and he does play an important part in Final Crisis

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He's really just to strong to keep around, and he does play an important part in Final Crisis True..

I wonder if Gog would take KC Supes out, then someone else will step up to the plate and kill Gog -- Or if it will be like the Doomsday fight, , and they'll both die?

I think Power Girl will step up, as DC has been pushing her and the two have a connection.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I think Power Girl will step up, as DC has been pushing her and the two have a connection.

It doesn't matter how much DC has been pushing her - there isn't a real logical way for Power Girl to play in the same league as someone who just killed KC Superman.

Originally posted by Soljer
It doesn't matter how much DC has been pushing her - there isn't a real logical way for Power Girl to play in the same league as someone who just killed KC Superman.

Well they could explain it KC Superman weakened Gog, which allowed her to do it or some PIS/CIS thing

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well they could explain it KC Superman weakened Gog, which allowed her to do it or some PIS/CIS thing

*shrug*

Maybe they could pull it off...but that sounds like a very disappointing and anti-climactic ending.

I'd much rather have KC Superman and Gog go down ala 'Death of Superman' than have Superman somehow 'loosen the lid' for powergirl. So to speak.

Originally posted by Soljer
It doesn't matter how much DC has been pushing her - there isn't a real logical way for Power Girl to play in the same league as someone who just killed KC Superman. I agree.

That's something I could see 'regular' Superman pulling off, because.... well, he's Superman...

But Power Girl beating Gog in any way/shape/form, is meh.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'd much rather have KC Superman and Gog go down ala 'Death of Superman' than have Superman somehow 'loosen the lid' for powergirl. So to speak.

As would I, I just have the feeling Power Girl will play a role...hope I'm wrong.

I doubt this will tie in to final crisis. My bet is it will be its own self contained story.

I'm not sure how they could manage it, but I'd love to see them work Doomsday back into this.

And yeah, looks like the bell is probably tolling for KC Supes.

what comic is this?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I doubt this will tie in to final crisis. My bet is it will be its own self contained story.

He was in the Countdown/Final Crisis teaser poster holding in his hand an atom symbol.

Not trying to bring marvel into this...but does the face of the one gog was kneeling at remind anyone of the New Warriors enemy Sphinx?
the one with the Ka Stone?Could they in some way be related(as in hercules and myths and mythical gods and such)

Anyway i also think JSA has been one of the best comics around, and i think KC supes might go down with Gog...as people have guessed

Originally posted by llagrok
what comic is this?

Justice Society of America

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Justice Society of America

Thanks.

Good issue

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was in the Countdown/Final Crisis teaser poster holding in his hand an atom symbol. You mean that one with everyone in it?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
You mean that one with everyone in it?

No,

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/countdown/SecondTease/BadBoys_mid.html

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was in the Countdown/Final Crisis teaser poster holding in his hand an atom symbol. Pfft...

It's clearly the aura from a yellow ring. uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Pfft...

It's clearly the aura from a yellow ring. vin

It's an atom symbol

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanBatman040-1617-1.jpg

*clearer image*

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's an atom symbol

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanBatman040-1617-1.jpg

*clearer image* Bollocks!

You edited the photo. uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Bollocks!

You edited the photo. uhuh

MS Paint?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
MS Paint? All the pros use Paint.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/th_jlaf.gif

I have troubles drawing a straight line

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have troubles drawing a straight line Good thing squiggley lines are what make up Atom's symbol then, huh? peaches

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not sure how they could manage it, but I'd love to see them work Doomsday back into this.


seconded.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not sure how they could manage it, but I'd love to see them work Doomsday back into this. When was the last time we saw DD? When Imperiex fried him?

Originally posted by Galan007
Good thing squiggley lines are what make up Atom's symbol then, huh? peaches

You sure owned me at my own game

Originally posted by Galan007
When was the last time we saw DD? When Imperiex fried him?

Infinite Crisis, Earth 1 & 2 Supermen defeated him rather quickly. However, in upcoming solicits Doomsday is making a come back
===
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #48
Written by Michael Green & Mike Johnson
Art and cover by Shane Davis & Matt “Batt” Banning

The penultimate chapter of “K” presents Superman vs. AAB (The All-American Boy) in a no-holds-barred fight through Smallville! Only Heroes scribe Michael Green and his writing partner, Mike Johnson, could create the AAB — a supersoldier with Doomsday’s DNA that’s infused with Kryptonite! Can Batman help the Man of Steel defeat AAB, or will we witness “The Death of Superman” all over again?

what comic(s) is this return of gog taking place in?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Michael Green and his writing partner, Mike Johnson

That is some awkward phrasing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You sure owned me at my own game



Infinite Crisis, Earth 1 & 2 Supermen defeated him rather quickly. However, in upcoming solicits Doomsday is making a come back
===
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #48
Written by Michael Green & Mike Johnson
Art and cover by Shane Davis & Matt “Batt” Banning

The penultimate chapter of “K” presents Superman vs. AAB (The All-American Boy) in a no-holds-barred fight through Smallville! Only Heroes scribe Michael Green and his writing partner, Mike Johnson, could create the AAB — a supersoldier with Doomsday’s DNA that’s infused with Kryptonite! Can Batman help the Man of Steel defeat AAB, or will we witness “The Death of Superman” all over again?

Honestly? Doomsday with Kryptonite genes?

I generally prefer not to judge a book till I've read it... but using the (aesthetically piss-poor) phrase "Only Heroes scribe Micheal Green and his writing partner, Mike John could create the AAB" seems like an almost herculean amount of hyperbole. The idea of a kryptonite-Doomsday sounds like the villain a thirteen year old would come up with in poorly-though-out fan fiction.

Originally posted by tjcoady
The idea of a kryptonite-Doomsday sounds like the villain a thirteen year old would come up with in poorly-though-out fan fiction.

agreed...sounds plain stupid.

and it's not like DD ever needed a plot device to beat Superman

Why did my text go all funky? well here is the solicit and cover:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May08/solicitations.html

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You sure owned me at my own game evillaugh

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Infinite Crisis, Earth 1 & 2 Supermen defeated him rather quickly. However, in upcoming solicits Doomsday is making a come back
===
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #48
Written by Michael Green & Mike Johnson
Art and cover by Shane Davis & Matt “Batt” Banning

The penultimate chapter of “K” presents Superman vs. AAB (The All-American Boy) in a no-holds-barred fight through Smallville! Only Heroes scribe Michael Green and his writing partner, Mike Johnson, could create the AAB — a supersoldier with Doomsday’s DNA that’s infused with Kryptonite! Can Batman help the Man of Steel defeat AAB, or will we witness “The Death of Superman” all over again? Ehh??

Originally posted by Galan007
evillaugh

Ehh??

Yeah the text got all weird when I copied and pasted, but to sum it up a new Doomsday is being made with Kryptonite in him.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
what comic(s) is this return of gog taking place in?

The current JSA arc.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah the text got all weird when I copied and pasted, but to sum it up a new Doomsday is being made with Kryptonite in him. Doesn't seem like it's DD per say -- but rather, a being infused with DD's DNA... .

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why did my text go all funky? well here is the solicit and cover:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May08/solicitations.html

Newsarama and KMC are coded differently.

Originally posted by Galan007
Doesn't seem like it's DD per say -- but rather, a being infused with DD's DNA... . Would be really funny if he still had spliced Superman's genes, and then had the Kryptonite...

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Would be really funny if he still had spliced Superman's genes, and then had the Kryptonite...

Originally posted by Galan007
Doesn't seem like it's DD per say -- but rather, a being infused with DD's DNA... .

Yeah it's not the real Doomsday, the real Doomsday is still on Apokolips being tested and modified on.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah it's not the real Doomsday, the real Doomsday is still on Apokolips being tested and modified on. When did the 'real' DD get sent to Apokolips?

Originally posted by Galan007
When did the 'real' DD get sent to Apokolips?

Imperix War, after Doomsday was incinerated Darkseid found him and repaired him and then gave him to Lex to use. At the end of the story Lex gave back Doomsday to Darkseid for helping him

In superman/batman Darkseid made Doomsday clones, but I guess he was freed during Infinite Crisis

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Imperix War, after Doomsday was incinerated Darkseid found him and repaired him and then gave him to Lex to use. In the end of the story for helping him Lex gave back Doomsday to Darkseid That's right...

*wonders if Darkseid will pull DD as a trump card?* mmm




droolio

Doubt it as Doomsday was on Earth during Infinite Crisis, so I guess he was freed.

Here's the scans for anyone who was interested
---------------------------------------------
Superman #175
It was Darkseid who retrieved and repairing Doomsday after Imperix incinerated him, and he also with Luthor released him to battle Superman

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2175-33.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2175-34.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Doubt it as Doomsday was on Earth during Infinite Crisis, so I guess he was freed.

Here's the scans for anyone who was interested
---------------------------------------------
Superman #175
It was Darkseid who retrieved and repairing Doomsday after Imperix incinerated him, and he also with Luthor released him to battle Superman

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2175-33.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2175-34.jpg Doomsday was released after the Gog Wars I believe...

A couple Action Comics earlier, Darkseid came to Earth looking for DD. Then he was let go (memory's foggy, as I haven't read that little AC event in a while), and then he reappeared in Villains United and then IC.

Dur! I forgot about Gog Wars

Originally posted by tjcoady
As much as I'm digging on the current JSA storyline, to be honest, I find all the wanking over Kingdom Come and anything Alex Ross has ever done kind of annoying (Red Robin costume, Plastic Man's son adopting the name Offspring, Gog, KC Superman on DC Earth...)

But I didn't like Kingdom Come all that much, so meh.
At last,a kindred spirit!!


Yet another reason why i consider you made of win...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
At last,a kindred spirit!!


Yet another reason why i consider you made of win...

I know... people who thought KC was worth reading but not unbelievable are pretty rare on this forum.

Damn, I've never been made of win before. Sweet.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
At last,a kindred spirit!!


Yet another reason why i consider you made of win... Because Whining Failhunter wasn't in it?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because Whining Failhunter wasn't in it?

No,i just thought it wasn't as good as it's touted.

plus,must Alex Ross make all Women look like 40 year old transvestites?

(Just look at his Powergirl)

Originally posted by Martian_mind
No,i just thought it wasn't as good as it's touted. I have to ask...

What comic(s) would you put above KC, ?

Originally posted by Galan007
I have to ask...

What comic(s) would you put above KC, ? Onslaught Saga

Originally posted by Newjak
Onslaught Saga That really wouldn't suprise me. srsly

I am by no means saying KC needs to be everyone's favorite series -- but it is certainly as good as most people make it out to be, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
That really wouldn't suprise me. srsly

I am by no means saying KC needs to be everyone's favorite series -- but it is certainly as good as most people make it out to be, imo. All I'm saying is why ask him?

It's a comic book opinion goes a long way in deciding what is good and isn't.

Just cause a lot of people thought KC was good, doesn't mean others have to like it, or can not think it is overrated.

I mean if he posts a list like

Onslaught Saga
Phoenix Saga
The Kingdom
Countdown
52

What exactly would be your response

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean if he posts a list like

Onslaught Saga
Phoenix Saga
The Kingdom
Countdown
52

What exactly would be your response Probably this smilie ---> none <---

Originally posted by Galan007
I have to ask...

What comic(s) would you put above KC, ?


Bunches honestly, new Cap series could do it, Redson was hot. To me KC was never as epic as it was supposed to be.

Originally posted by Galan007
Probably this smilie ---> none <--- I figured

Now what if he posted a list like

The Watchman
Annihilation
COIE
Sinestro Corps War

What would be your response?

Originally posted by Newjak
I figured

Now what if he posted a list like

The Watchman
Annihilation
COIE
Sinestro Corps War

What would be your response? srug

I'm just trying to get a feel for what type of comics he enjoys reading -- ie. that particular story may not revolve around the type of artwork, story, writing, etc. he's into.

Like I said before,
I'm not saying anyone has to like KC -- but when all is said and done, you can't deny that it was a great mini.

Originally posted by Newjak
All I'm saying is why ask him?

It's a comic book opinion goes a long way in deciding what is good and isn't.

Just cause a lot of people thought KC was good, doesn't mean others have to like it, or can not think it is overrated.

I mean if he posts a list like

Onslaught Saga
Phoenix Saga
The Kingdom
Countdown
52

What exactly would be your response

Hey, I liked 52.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hey, I liked 52.

52 was awesome.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hey, I liked 52. Originally posted by Rorschach
52 was awesome.

Originally posted by Galan007
srug

I'm just trying to get a feel for what type of comics he enjoys reading -- ie. that particular story may not revolve around the type of artwork, story, writing, etc. he's into.

Like I said before,
I'm not saying anyone has to like KC -- but when all is said and done, you can't deny that it was a great mini. Except you can deny it was a great mini if you didn't like it

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hey, I liked 52. Fine then 52 is awesome.

Make you feel better

Originally posted by Newjak
Except you can deny it was a great mini if you didn't like it http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/th_jlaf.gif


Originally posted by Newjak
Fine then 52 is awesome.

Make you feel better 52 was good at times, but much like Countdown -- it was utter crap occasionally.

Originally posted by Rorschach
52 was awesome. Cosign.
I also imagine, that when I go back and read Countdown in it's entirety, it'll be very good as well. Pacing is just really tough on a weekly.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/th_jlaf.gif


52 was good at times, but much like Countdown -- it was utter crap occasionally. That's right laugh away your life.

Honestly 52 and Countdown were crap IMO.

Sinestro Corps blows those two out of the water.

Originally posted by Newjak
Honestly 52 and Countdown were crap IMO.

Sinestro Corps blows those two out of the water. I agree, that SC was better..

But 52 was pretty good, and Countdown has been okay at times, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree, that SC was better..

But 52 was pretty good, and Countdown has been okay at times, imo. Not bad nothing to write home about though.

I'll probably forget about those mini's in a few years.

So what has been your favorite mini in the past few.

Originally posted by Newjak
Not bad nothing to write home about though.

I'll probably forget about those mini's in a few years.

So what has been your favorite mini in the past few. I'd honestly go with the Sinestro Corps War.

The last issue was just as, if not more, enjoyable then the first issue.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'd honestly go with the Sinestro Corps War.

The last issue was just as, if not more, enjoyable then the first issue. I agree

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
If DC is thinking right...he plays a major role in FC.

Hmm...I wonder how this Gog would deal with the current Captain Atom (i.e. Monarch) Thats a fight everyone would like to see....I hope Gog kicks his ass.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'd honestly go with the Sinestro Corps War.

The last issue was just as, if not more, enjoyable then the first issue.

But was SC really a mini ?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
But was SC really a mini ?

Technically it's a maxi-series, as I think it was more then 12 issues

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Technically it's a maxi-series, as I think it was more then 12 issues

But it was spread out over two books usually when something is a mini or a maxi series its only one book
SC was more of a crossover event than anything

Originally posted by Galan007
I have to ask...

What comic(s) would you put above KC, ?

Above KC? A ton:

American Splendor
Promothea
Love and Rockets
Transmetropolitan
Moore's run Swamp Thing
The Invisibles
Morrison JLA
Dark Knight Returns
Ennis/Ellis/Diggle/Carey runs on Hellblazer
Sandman
Shade, the Changing Man
League of Extraordinary Gentleman
Zenith
Authority
Planetary
Flex Mentallo
Top Ten
Doom Patrol
Dark Knight Returns
To Hell and Back: A Sin City Love Story

... and a lot more.

I would consider all of those to be better comics, in nearly all regards, than Kingdom Come.

And while I recognize the aesthetics behind Ross' art and I do like Waid's writing a hell of a lot (except for X:O Man of War), KC just didn't really do it for me.

There's something about the highly stylized, "I'm so epic" feel of Ross' artwork that's just kind of off-putting. To be honest, I preferred what he did in Justice.

I'm not saying Kingdom Come wasn't good, and I'm not deriding people who liked it. It's just not really for me.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Above KC? A ton:

American Splendor
Promothea
Love and Rockets
Transmetropolitan
Moore's run Swamp Thing
The Invisibles
Morrison JLA
Dark Knight Returns
Ennis/Ellis/Diggle/Carey runs on Hellblazer
Sandman
Shade, the Changing Man
League of Extraordinary Gentleman
Zenith
Authority
Planetary
Flex Mentallo
Top Ten
Doom Patrol
Dark Knight Returns
To Hell and Back: A Sin City Love Story

... and a lot more.

I would consider all of those to be better comics, in nearly all regards, than Kingdom Come.

And while I recognize the aesthetics behind Ross' art and I do like Waid's writing a hell of a lot (except for X:O Man of War), KC just didn't really do it for me.

There's something about the highly stylized, "I'm so epic" feel of Ross' artwork that's just kind of off-putting. To be honest, I preferred what he did in Justice.

I'm not saying Kingdom Come wasn't good, and I'm not deriding people who liked it. It's just not really for me. Personal preference, I guess.

All the titles you listed are good // but personally, I would put KC above a few of them. srug

Again,
it just comes down to what each individual person enjoys reading more.

Nothing is above OMAC and all star batman

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Nothing is above OMAC and all star batman

All-Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder, isn't even a comic book. It's a little chunk of heaven fallen down to man.

WIZARD INSIDER: GOG

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/031008gog.html

Yeah, I know Wizard sucks.

Originally posted by tjcoady
All-Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder, isn't even a comic book. It's a little chunk of heaven fallen down to man. That comic is awesome... when it actually comes out. The first few issues had me skeptical, but it's turned around a lot since.

Originally posted by Juntai
That comic is awesome... when it actually comes out. The first few issues had me skeptical, but it's turned around a lot since. Meh,
It's been okay..

As far as the "All-Star" Universe is concerned -- A/S Superman has been the 'go to', imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,
It's been okay..

As far as the "All-Star" Universe is concerned -- A/S Superman has been the 'go to', imo. All Star Superman is incredible as well. Needless to say i could collect both titles till the end of time and be happy with it. Which is probably how long it will take both titles to get out their next issue.

They tried to differential 'All Star' DC from "Ultimate" Marvel, but it's easy to see the resemblence -- the shipping schedule.

Originally posted by Juntai
They tried to differential 'All Star' DC from "Ultimate" Marvel, but it's easy to see the resemblence -- the shipping schedule.

So true..

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,
It's been okay..

As far as the "All-Star" Universe is concerned -- A/S Superman has been the 'go to', imo.

I believe there is no such thing as the 'All-Star' universe.

Being that All-Star Batman and All-Star Superman do not share continuity.

Rather, there is the All-Star Superman universe and the All-Star Batman (and Robin, the Boy Wonder) universe.

Originally posted by Soljer
I believe there is no such thing as the 'All-Star' universe.

Being that All-Star Batman and All-Star Superman do not share continuity.

Rather, there is the All-Star Superman universe and the All-Star Batman (and Robin, the Boy Wonder) universe. I didn't mean my post to sound like All-Star is a literal Universe in DC.

I was referring to it 'material-wise' -- .

.