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This is an English-speaking board. 33% of the world's population is Christian, and the percentage is far higher in America and England, the two countries most responsible for KMC's membership.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Even taking into account that perhaps the Bible Belt of America (by far the largest per capita concentration of Christians in the world, sans the Vatican) isn't as likely to become internet evangelists, or even have regular internet access, as some other parts of the country, the vast majority of the potential pool for KMC is Christian (which makes our numbers of Christians to non-Christians a bit surprising, but I digress).

Second, the internet has everything a person could want for any religion: major texts, references and sources, apologetics, evangelism websites for a variety of causes, points and counter-points to any debate, etc, etc. It creates, more than anything, a diversification of beliefs. Whereas pre-technology a community would largely have the same belief system and approach to religion, and this could even be said for countries themselves (though you'd have to go back to the early days of religion for such trends), today people in the same household can have very different viewpoints, even concerning the same denomination.

My point is two-fold. One, that there are as many versions of a religion as there are people who believe in them. Not just because of the internet, but because everyone in a developed nation has access to a large variety of ideas and sources, and most have a deeper (or at least different) view of one or more aspects of a religion than even their fellow adherents. Extrapolate that with the growing information age, and denomination distinctions begin to lose meaning, because you can find different views on certain beliefs even at the same churches or gatherings...all that is needed is to talk to others to confirm this.

Second, this trend makes traditional evangelism irrelevant, especially on the internet. It's well-known that remote information, the kind received on the internet, is less likely to be believed anyway. But beyond that, if a person is evangelizing, they are one voice among thousands of potential voices, each on a different viewpoint and each equally as defended. It makes "here's the truth" style arguments silly, and places value on "here's my viewpoint."

I would disagree with Socrates that the only thing we can know is that we know nothing, but it becomes increasingly clear that as you accumulate more and more knowledge, it becomes harder to pin down truthful elements of religion, and increasingly ridiculous to makes claims of absolutist knowledge.

Throw in faith, a key element of many belief systems, which can and does contradict reason (a key element of the human mind) occasionally (depends largely on the belief in question, and the tenacity with which it is held) and any regular to the forums can tell you the fruitless consequences of such endeavors.

...

So this is both a layman observation of what we all can easily see, and also a mild petition to stop overt evangelizing for ANY belief system. Not only will it not accomplish anything, but in my own experience (and seeing others) it usually ends up hurting one's cause when the attempt is to assert one's viewpoint over another's, to convert someone, or some similarly dogmatic approach. The only person that will convert is the party in question, so information and opinion, not heavy-handed tactics that assume right-ness, become the tantamount concern.

I don't pretend that this is particularly brilliant as commentary, but I hope it sparks similar discussion, because I've seen varied comments to the same affects that mirror my thoughts and add to them. Because it seems to me that if anyone, of any viewpoint, stopped trying to assert dominance over competing views, it might be more conducive to discussion around here and also more productive to anyone who might happen to use our forums as a way to gain new ideas.

Christians are nuts, I don't even have to read that post.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is an English-speaking board. 33% of the world's population is Christian, and the percentage is far higher in America and England, the two countries most responsible for KMC's membership.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Even taking into account that perhaps the Bible Belt of America (by far the largest per capita concentration of Christians in the world, sans the Vatican) isn't as likely to become internet evangelists, or even have regular internet access, as some other parts of the country, the vast majority of the potential pool for KMC is Christian (which makes our numbers of Christians to non-Christians a bit surprising, but I digress).

Second, the internet has everything a person could want for any religion: major texts, references and sources, apologetics, evangelism websites for a variety of causes, points and counter-points to any debate, etc, etc. It creates, more than anything, a diversification of beliefs. Whereas pre-technology a community would largely have the same belief system and approach to religion, and this could even be said for countries themselves (though you'd have to go back to the early days of religion for such trends), today people in the same household can have very different viewpoints, even concerning the same denomination.

My point is two-fold. One, that there are as many versions of a religion as there are people who believe in them. Not just because of the internet, but because everyone in a developed nation has access to a large variety of ideas and sources, and most have a deeper (or at least different) view of one or more aspects of a religion than even their fellow adherents. Extrapolate that with the growing information age, and denomination distinctions begin to lose meaning, because you can find different views on certain beliefs even at the same churches or gatherings...all that is needed is to talk to others to confirm this.

Second, this trend makes traditional evangelism irrelevant, especially on the internet. It's well-known that remote information, the kind received on the internet, is less likely to be believed anyway. But beyond that, if a person is evangelizing, they are one voice among thousands of potential voices, each on a different viewpoint and each equally as defended. It makes "here's the truth" style arguments silly, and places value on "here's my viewpoint."

I would disagree with Socrates that the only thing we can know is that we know nothing, but it becomes increasingly clear that as you accumulate more and more knowledge, it becomes harder to pin down truthful elements of religion, and increasingly ridiculous to makes claims of absolutist knowledge.

Throw in faith, a key element of many belief systems, which can and does contradict reason (a key element of the human mind) occasionally (depends largely on the belief in question, and the tenacity with which it is held) and any regular to the forums can tell you the fruitless consequences of such endeavors.
...
So this is both a layman observation of what we all can easily see, and also a mild petition to stop overt evangelizing for ANY belief system. Not only will it not accomplish anything, but in my own experience (and seeing others) it usually ends up hurting one's cause when the attempt is to assert one's viewpoint over another's, to convert someone, or some similarly dogmatic approach. The only person that will convert is the party in question, so information and opinion, not heavy-handed tactics that assume right-ness, become the tantamount concern.

I don't pretend that this is particularly brilliant as commentary, but I hope it sparks similar discussion, because I've seen varied comments to the same affects that mirror my thoughts and add to them. Because it seems to me that if anyone, of any viewpoint, stopped trying to assert dominance over competing views, it might be more conducive to discussion around here and also more productive to anyone who might happen to use our forums as a way to gain new ideas.

An interesting perspective, to be sure. Not surprisingly, I doubt many Christians will be moved to stop sharing their faith -- whether in this forum or elsewhere.

My Dad is one of those very rare evangelicals who has always believed in Jesus; that is to say, he came to faith in Christ at such a young age, he honestly can't remember what it was like to live as a non-believer. That said, no matter when a person's faith comes alive, and no matter how impressive or average that experience might be, no one is born a Christian. Each must come to faith individually. And every person comes to faith more or less the same way.

"So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ."

The only thing that draws ANYONE into saving faith is the word about Jesus Christ -- the good news message contained in the Bible. Now then, there are literally hundreds of ways a person might be prompted to listen to the Bible. Some are drawn by an apt apologetic argument. Some become impressed with the lives of Christians they know, and desire to obtain what these believers have. Some attend church or another setting where they hear the Word of God preached, and its truth just hits them.

But in the end, regardless of one's particular path to the cross, the destination is singular. Faith is sparked when a person hears the message about Jesus from the Bible. That means every born again Christian you know got saved, because someone somewhere shared the Bible with him. Evangelism DOES work. The millions of people who become followers of Jesus each and every year, are a testimony to it. Even your bitter rejection of God and His beloved Christian children is a testimony to the power of biblical evangelism .

My very presence on this forum proves God is right -- evangelism works. It worked for me. But it only works for those whom the Holy Spirit has called out of sin and death -- those who are ready to repent and surrender their lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ forever. Such requires that one enter through the narrow gate and walk the narrow path; very few will choose this path; thus authentic, born again Christians will always be a global minority until Jesus returns.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

I didn't say stop sharing one's faith. Just that no one should be trying to pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth, or that their beliefs are in any way better than another's.

I just see the forum becoming less about discussion and opinions, and more about overtly challenging others and attempting to assert dominance of one's position over another. It's sad, because we don't need a polarized site that precludes interesting exchange for the sake of bickering.

And don't turn this into solely a Christian evangelism thread. That isn't what this thread is about, and if it becomes that it makes my point for me.

I'm going to put my foil hat on now.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I didn't say stop sharing one's faith. Just that no one should be trying to pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth, or that their beliefs are in any way better than another's.

I just see the forum becoming less about discussion and opinions, and more about overtly challenging others and attempting to assert dominance of one's position over another. It's sad, because we don't need a polarized site that precludes interesting exchange for the sake of bickering.

And don't turn this into solely a Christian evangelism thread. That isn't what this thread is about, and if it becomes that it makes my point for me.

Are you telling someone who believes their religion is absolute truth, that they should not pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth?

I don't they pretend; they are convinced that they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth. The fact they do not have a stranglehold on the absolute truth is beyond them.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
An interesting perspective, to be sure. Not surprisingly, I doubt many Christians will be moved to stop sharing their faith -- whether in this forum or elsewhere.

My Dad is one of those very rare evangelicals who has always believed in Jesus; that is to say, he came to faith in Christ at such a young age, he honestly can't remember what it was like to live as a non-believer. That said, no matter when a person's faith comes alive, and no matter how impressive or average that experience might be, no one is born a Christian. Each must come to faith individually. And every person comes to faith more or less the same way.

"So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ."

The only thing that draws ANYONE into saving faith is the word about Jesus Christ -- the good news message contained in the Bible. Now then, there are literally hundreds of ways a person might be prompted to listen to the Bible. Some are drawn by an apt apologetic argument. Some become impressed with the lives of Christians they know, and desire to obtain what these believers have. Some attend church or another setting where they hear the Word of God preached, and its truth just hits them.

But in the end, regardless of one's particular path to the cross, the destination is singular. Faith is sparked when a person hears the message about Jesus from the Bible. That means every born again Christian you know got saved, because someone somewhere shared the Bible with him. Evangelism DOES work. The millions of people who become followers of Jesus each and every year, are a testimony to it. Even your bitter rejection of God and His beloved Christian children is a testimony to the power of biblical evangelism .

My very presence on this forum proves God is right -- evangelism works. It worked for me. But it only works for those whom the Holy Spirit has called out of sin and death -- those who are ready to repent and surrender their lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ forever. Such requires that one enter through the narrow gate and walk the narrow path; very few will choose this path; thus authentic, born again Christians will always be a global minority until Jesus returns.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." evangelism works because its extremely convinving, as most propaganda is. but seeing to the truth of the matter is much harder for most people than just believing it. and yes the time faith enters your life matters a great deal. if you were evangelized young you are much less likely to question your beliefs when presented with evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you telling someone who believes their religion is absolute truth, that they should not pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth?

I don't they pretend; they are convinced that they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth. The fact they do not have a stranglehold on the absolute truth is beyond them. there are no absolutes just ideas. and i agree, convincing someone who believes something entirely is nearly impossible

Originally posted by chickenlover98
there are no absolutes just ideas. and i agree, convincing someone who believes something entirely is nearly impossible

He who knows everything can learn nothing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He who knows everything can learn nothing. in a situation where this isnt a joke and someone truly knows EVERYTHING they dont need to learn everything. they have all teh knowledhge

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in a situation where this isnt a joke and someone truly knows EVERYTHING they dont need to learn everything. they have all teh knowledhge

But then they cannot learn. But now we are off topic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But then they cannot learn. But now we are off topic. i disagree. if they know everything the need to learn is eradicated, but yes we digress. back to the subject

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i disagree. if they know everything the need to learn is eradicated, but yes we digress. back to the subject

Totally missed my point.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Totally missed my point. guess i missed it

Originally posted by Tim Rout
But in the end, regardless of one's particular path to the cross, the destination is singular.

In other words, you can do it for all the wrong reasons and still be better than everyone else on your block.

Now that's a sales pitch that can't go wrong.

Originally posted by Devil King
In other words, you can do it for all the wrong reasons and still be better than everyone else on your block.

Now that's a sales pitch that can't go wrong. you got that right bud

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you telling someone who believes their religion is absolute truth, that they should not pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth?

I don't they pretend; they are convinced that they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth. The fact they do not have a stranglehold on the absolute truth is beyond them.

No, I'm saying they shouldn't think that they do, due to the fact that even the most knowledgable among us can't know everything about such matters. Or at least present it in a way that isn't overtly negative toward differing opinions. It is possible, though I realize it's a tall order for most.

I just never remember being, well, offensive, to put it bluntly, even when I was a stalwart Christian apologist (fun times...). I don't know that I converted anyone, to be fair, but that wasn't the intention. It's not really a revolutionary idea, just a system of discussion based on respect for others' belief systems....because it is possible to question someone's beliefs without having to resort to bashing, and also possible to admit where your arguments fall short but not have to abandon them entirely or make things up.

I know you know this, but sometimes we all fall into the trap of assuming some sort of itnellectual high ground. Occasionally it's obvious and understandable when irrationality is at its highest but many times it is more subtle.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No, I'm saying they shouldn't think that they do, due to the fact that even the most knowledgable among us can't know everything about such matters. Or at least present it in a way that isn't overtly negative toward differing opinions. It is possible, though I realize it's a tall order for most.

I just never remember being, well, offensive, to put it bluntly, even when I was a stalwart Christian apologist (fun times...). I don't know that I converted anyone, to be fair, but that wasn't the intention. It's not really a revolutionary idea, just a system of discussion based on respect for others' belief systems....because it is possible to question someone's beliefs without having to resort to bashing, and also possible to admit where your arguments fall short but not have to abandon them entirely or make things up.

I agree with you, but some people see it differently.

This is what some people believe.
Let me brake it down.

1. Jesus knows everything and is absolute truth.
2. They are filled with Jesus and you are not.
3. You are going to hell anyway, so no matter what they do, it will only help you.
4. You are controlled by Satan, therefore no matter what you say, it is a lie.
5. This is the Internet so, you can't hurt them, so see 3.

The people who will understand what you are saying, are not the people you are talking to. Those people cannot hear you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree with you, but some people see it differently.

This is what some people believe.
Let me brake it down.

1. Jesus knows everything and is absolute truth.
2. They are filled with Jesus and you are not.
3. You are going to hell anyway, so no matter what they do, it will only help you.
4. You are controlled by Satan, therefore no matter what you say, it is a lie.
5. This is the Internet so, you can't hurt them, so see 3.

The people who will understand what you are saying, are not the people you are talking to. Those people cannot hear you.

Meh, fair enough. Maybe I'm trying to chop down a tree with a fish.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Meh, fair enough. Maybe I'm trying to chop down a tree with a fish.



I applaud your effort.

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=66&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=742108

Thanks.

...though I am consistently surprised that we have so few Christians, relatively speaking. I keep waiting for one of them to bring a bunch of friends to overwhelm us, because realistically there isn't much we could do once they got a solid majority in here due to the sheer percentage difference. I'd quickly be flogged back to the comics section due to indifference at the topics of discussion that would ensue.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks.

...though I am consistently surprised that we have so few Christians, relatively speaking. I keep waiting for one of them to bring a bunch of friends to overwhelm us, because realistically there isn't much we could do once they got a solid majority in here due to the sheer percentage difference. I'd quickly be flogged back to the comics section due to indifference at the topics of discussion that would ensue.

You have hit the nail on the head. They would rather be in the comic book forum.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks.

...though I am consistently surprised that we have so few Christians, relatively speaking. I keep waiting for one of them to bring a bunch of friends to overwhelm us, because realistically there isn't much we could do once they got a solid majority in here due to the sheer percentage difference. I'd quickly be flogged back to the comics section due to indifference at the topics of discussion that would ensue.

You say that like it's a conspiracy...Christians vs. the rest of the world.

Originally posted by Quark_666
You say that like it's a conspiracy...Christians vs. the rest of the world.

Didn't mean it as such. It's just statistically unlikely that we'd have a majority of non-Christians on the religion board, though I'll admit that it's simply an "eyeball" test while posting here rather than a formal census of members.

Originally posted by Quark_666
You say that like it's a conspiracy...Christians vs. the rest of the world.

Yeah, sounds about right.

this is one of the few times atheists and others out number christians. enjoy it

Hmmm... You're Quark 666, that was my 666th post, and i joined on 6/6/06. It's a sign of the apocalypse right? Wait, am i off topic?

Originally posted by Devil King
In other words, you can do it for all the wrong reasons and still be better than everyone else on your block.

Now that's a sales pitch that can't go wrong. There has never been a truer statement.

It's their sentiment, exactly. "If you're not one of us, you're not worth a hill of beans." because your lost, deceived and led by satan, so you're 2nd class now. But they feel sorry for you. "Here, let me plant yet another seed in your face."

Let me chose what I plant in my garden.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I didn't say stop sharing one's faith. Just that no one should be trying to pretend like they have a stranglehold on the absolute truth, or that their beliefs are in any way better than another's.

I just see the forum becoming less about discussion and opinions, and more about overtly challenging others and attempting to assert dominance of one's position over another. It's sad, because we don't need a polarized site that precludes interesting exchange for the sake of bickering.

And don't turn this into solely a Christian evangelism thread. That isn't what this thread is about, and if it becomes that it makes my point for me.

So let me see if I get this straight....

It's ok for me to share my faith, as long as I do not present it as exclusive truth?

That won't work. The concept of exclusive truth is intrinsic to my faith. If I leave the door open for other religions to be equally valid, I betray an essental characteristic of my own religion. While the Bible says Christians must be gentle and respectful with those who disagree , this does not negate presenting Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life -- the only path to God the Father .

Originally posted by Tim Rout
So let me see if I get this straight....

It's ok for me to share my faith, as long as I do not present it as exclusive truth?

That won't work. The concept of exclusive truth is intrinsic to my faith. If I leave the door open for other religions to be equally valid, I betray an essental characteristic of my own religion. While the Bible says Christians must be gentle and respectful with those who disagree , this does not negate presenting Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life -- the only path to God the Father .

There's still a very big distinction between "here's what I believe to be absolute truth" and "here is absolute truth," without having to compromise your own beliefs.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
While the Bible says Christians must be gentle and respectful with those who disagree , this does not negate presenting Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life -- the only path to God the Father .

It does beg the question though...what is the path of Jesus?

Originally posted by Quark_666
It does beg the question though...what is the path of Jesus?
For the evangelical Christian, the sole vehicle to faith in Christ is the message of the Bible as illumined by the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
For the evangelical Christian, the sole vehicle to faith in Christ is the message of the Bible as illumined by the Holy Spirit.

There are more Christians in the world that would disagree with you then would agree with you.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is an English-speaking board. 33% of the world's population is Christian, and the percentage is far higher in America and England, the two countries most responsible for KMC's membership.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Even taking into account that perhaps the Bible Belt of America (by far the largest per capita concentration of Christians in the world, sans the Vatican) isn't as likely to become internet evangelists, or even have regular internet access, as some other parts of the country, the vast majority of the potential pool for KMC is Christian (which makes our numbers of Christians to non-Christians a bit surprising, but I digress).

Second, the internet has everything a person could want for any religion: major texts, references and sources, apologetics, evangelism websites for a variety of causes, points and counter-points to any debate, etc, etc. It creates, more than anything, a diversification of beliefs. Whereas pre-technology a community would largely have the same belief system and approach to religion, and this could even be said for countries themselves (though you'd have to go back to the early days of religion for such trends), today people in the same household can have very different viewpoints, even concerning the same denomination.

My point is two-fold. One, that there are as many versions of a religion as there are people who believe in them. Not just because of the internet, but because everyone in a developed nation has access to a large variety of ideas and sources, and most have a deeper (or at least different) view of one or more aspects of a religion than even their fellow adherents. Extrapolate that with the growing information age, and denomination distinctions begin to lose meaning, because you can find different views on certain beliefs even at the same churches or gatherings...all that is needed is to talk to others to confirm this.

Second, this trend makes traditional evangelism irrelevant, especially on the internet. It's well-known that remote information, the kind received on the internet, is less likely to be believed anyway. But beyond that, if a person is evangelizing, they are one voice among thousands of potential voices, each on a different viewpoint and each equally as defended. It makes "here's the truth" style arguments silly, and places value on "here's my viewpoint."

I would disagree with Socrates that the only thing we can know is that we know nothing, but it becomes increasingly clear that as you accumulate more and more knowledge, it becomes harder to pin down truthful elements of religion, and increasingly ridiculous to makes claims of absolutist knowledge.

Throw in faith, a key element of many belief systems, which can and does contradict reason (a key element of the human mind) occasionally (depends largely on the belief in question, and the tenacity with which it is held) and any regular to the forums can tell you the fruitless consequences of such endeavors.

...

So this is both a layman observation of what we all can easily see, and also a mild petition to stop overt evangelizing for ANY belief system. Not only will it not accomplish anything, but in my own experience (and seeing others) it usually ends up hurting one's cause when the attempt is to assert one's viewpoint over another's, to convert someone, or some similarly dogmatic approach. The only person that will convert is the party in question, so information and opinion, not heavy-handed tactics that assume right-ness, become the tantamount concern.

I don't pretend that this is particularly brilliant as commentary, but I hope it sparks similar discussion, because I've seen varied comments to the same affects that mirror my thoughts and add to them. Because it seems to me that if anyone, of any viewpoint, stopped trying to assert dominance over competing views, it might be more conducive to discussion around here and also more productive to anyone who might happen to use our forums as a way to gain new ideas.



Jesusisalive ... ?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are more Christians in the world that would disagree with you then would agree with you.
You will note I specified "evangelical" Christians. I cannot hope to comment on the views of all Christians anymore than you can comment on the views of all Buddhists. But there are certain intrinsic beliefs that are common among evangelicals and, given the context of your question, it was both reasonable and accurate for me to answer as I did.

That said, you must keep in mind that conservative Protestants (of virtually any "brand" believe what Jesus said about majority opinions. The broad path of the unsaved majority leads to destruction, but the narrow path of the saved minority leads to life . Thus, when non-Christians point out that we are in the minority -- even within Christendom -- this only reinforces our convictions.

ugh...im really starting to hate arguing about reliigon....

Originally posted by Tim Rout
You will note I specified "evangelical" Christians. I cannot hope to comment on the views of all Christians anymore than you can comment on the views of all Buddhists. But there are certain intrinsic beliefs that are common among evangelicals and, given the context of your question, it was both reasonable and accurate for me to answer as I did.

That said, you must keep in mind that conservative Protestants (of virtually any "brand" believe what Jesus said about majority opinions. The broad path of the unsaved majority leads to destruction, but the narrow path of the saved minority leads to life . Thus, when non-Christians point out that we are in the minority -- even within Christendom -- this only reinforces our convictions.

However, when I say you are in the minority, it is in irony. This is because, being a Buddhist in the US, is being a true minority.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, when I say you are in the minority, it is in irony. This is because, being a Buddhist in the US, is being a true minority.


But Buddhists always seem much happier despite the fact...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, when I say you are in the minority, it is in irony. This is because, being a Buddhist in the US, is being a true minority.

Idiots are a majority in the US though, that should make you feel comfortable.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Idiots are a majority in the US though, that should make you feel comfortable.

so you know all yanks then

Originally posted by anaconda
so you know all yanks then

Nah, I made a blanket statement to make a little joke fly. It's not uncommon.

ah just llike we do about a country a bit south of where I live then

Originally posted by anaconda
ah just llike we do about a country a bit south of where I live then

That would be Germany, right.

oh yeah the land of big ass pitchers of beers and mullets and bad ass mustaches

Originally posted by anaconda
ah just llike we do about a country a bit south of where I live then Probably exactly like that, yeah.

yeah just no need for the probably...........Nena is still hot there
Hast du etwas Zeit fuer mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer dich







cool song though

Originally posted by anaconda
yeah just no need for the probably...........Nena is still hot there
Hast du etwas Zeit fuer mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer dich







cool song though

Yes, and Hasselhoff and that.

American talents