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TricksterPriest

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Darthgoober
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Silver Adaptoid(Amalgam Lv. 1= 4 pts)

Silver Surfer(Body)= 6 pts
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer
Super Adaptoid(Mind)= 6 pts
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Super-Adaptoid

Power Copying= 8 pts
Prep Time Lv. 1(15 minutes on the battlefield)= 1 pt.

4+6+6+8+1= 25 pts.

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remember the sandstorm

Thankfully, I have Goober on my ignore list, so I can't accidently read what he wrote.

anyways, my turn to write.

You all know my boys. And for our prep location, we pick Metron's lab.

Keep in mind, we have 36 hours to do whatever we can with our resources.

Some of you may have asked, 'Why Metron?' Answer: The mobius chair and unparalled genius. I plan to build the chair during prep time. For those saying I can't do it,

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronBoomTubes.jpg

Yes, that's the infamous boom tube.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronBoomTube2.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronBoomTube3.jpg

Darkseid commissioned the project, and Metron made the tubes in exchange for the X element, the key ingredient in several new god technologies, including the Chair.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronGreed.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronGreed2.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronBoomTube2.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronBoomTube3.jpg

The chair allows for travel through time and space via a logic warp.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronChair.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronChair2.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronChair3.jpg


I apologize for the scan blitz. But my strategy is rather complex. You see, I plan to build the mobius chair, and use it and Waverider's temporal perception (with some help from Rip Hunter as well) to reconstruct the Worlogog.

Metron built the chair, so 36 hours is more than enough time to make a new one, especially considering how advanced new god tech is.

After that, we take Rip Hunter along, and do a quick jaunt through time to get the pieces of the Gog.

After all, it was Metron himself who taught Hourman how to use it.
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrmn1iq0.jpg

So why Waverider? Waverider has incredible precision in time travel and temporal manipulation. I may not have time manip payed for, but I still get his temporal perception as part of his body.
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant022ge3.jpg

Best part of my plan? It's already been done once before, by Extant.
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant6dz3.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant7tr1.jpg

Extant needed Waverider's control, and Metron's chair.

A journey of lifetimes, is but a moment to Metron and his chair.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronGiants.jpg

Rip Hunter is along due to his understanding of how the time stream works. There is a thing called solidified time, time that cannot be manipulated.
http://img127.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=63226_jokerbooster9_122_874lo.jpg
http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=63231_jokerbooster10_122_758lo.jpg
http://img46.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=63238_jokerbooster11_122_933lo.jpg

Now, Hourman dissasembling the 'gog is solid time. We can't change that. But what Extant did was erased.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DCComics-Hawkman2002009-11.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DCComics-Hawkman2002009-12.jpg

Those scans are merely to illustrate that time is flowing back to normal after the Extant crisis was resolved.

So we've got the 'gog now.

As for what we can do now? The sky is the limit. Nothing short of the IG is going to stop the Worlogog.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronWorlogog1.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Worlogog.jpg
"It is a mirror of the universe, in miniature. An exact working model of the entire space-time continuum from Big Bang to Omega Point."

For comparison, the amazing motherbox is basically a toy. Whereas the 'gog is unlimited in power and scope.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronTranstemporal.jpg

a tiny fragment, the one piece kept by Hourman 1M after he disassembled the 'gog, was enough to forever stop a universe's Big Bang.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/hr21.jpg

And here's Hourman 1M breaking the 'gog up.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/MetronTranstemporal.jpg

Total temporal omniscience.
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant10yb4.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant11rh9.jpg

End of the universe
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant14iy8.jpg

Now, what can you offer against such power?

Trick there are several problems with your strategy.

1. You didn't but time manipulation so time travel for you is banned, Mobius chair or not.

2. In order to reassemble to Worlogog, you'd have to leave the battle field which means that you'd be DQ'd.

3. Metron originally got the Element X for his Mobius Chair from DS, where's he getting it this time?

I don't need to buy time manip. Building the chair is part of my prep. Anything I make in prep, is prep-based, and not power based. Thus, no need to buy time manip if I built a time machine.

My prep area is Metron's lab, I have not left the battlefield. Once I'm on the field, after my 36 hours are done, then I am not leaving it.

3. Darkseid said he would give a large amount of it, enough to sate all of Metron's scientific curiosity, after the Boom tube project was finished. I'm sure Metron has enough to rebuild his chair.

And my guy's name isn't Wavetron. It's Extant Prime. evillaugh

Hate to play the spoiler, but goober's right. I asked Evangel a similar question about building something and having it do organic matter manip. It was a big no-no unless I bought the organic matter manip power. Any banned powers are banned period, and tech can't loophole its way through.

Like I said to you at some point, you should've been confirming this with Evangel far earlier so as not to get caught with your pants down.

Obviously, if I misinterpreted her ruling on the matter, she can overturn it. But as it stands, I think you're in some trouble. I don't like saying something this early in a match, but I'd rather not see a "yuh-huh" "nuh-uh" style argument ensue. I won't say any more out of respect to the participants, but this will need confirmed at some point.

The chair is not strictly time manip, it's a logic warp. And it was constructed in prep time. Technology is one thing, powers is another. I'm using my brains and prep for this, and there is no limit on what I can do on prep. Evangel herself said there is no intelligence cap. And Metron comes equipped with motherboxes, which I can also use if the chair is out.


Also, the tech does not manipulate time. Just travel through it. We are not disrupting time, because Rip is showing us how to avoid solid time and events that would change history.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I don't need to buy time manip. Building the chair is part of my prep. Anything I make in prep, is prep-based, and not power based. Thus, no need to buy time manip if I built a time machine.
If you're going to other periods of time and taking things then you're manipulating time. It's just that simple.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
My prep area is Metron's lab, I have not left the battlefield. Once I'm on the field, after my 36 hours are done, then I am not leaving it.
Since when are we allowed to leave our designated prep locations to search for things? Does that mean that anyone with lab prep can leave and head over to the Baxter Building and steal some devices from Reed Richards? Or for that matter would it be ok for Tony Stark(since Doom can also build a time machine) to travel to THIS moment in time...

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/275/theinfinitygauntlet0635qs5.jpg

... and grab the IG off the ground before Warlock appears?

Short answer, NO.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
3. Darkseid said he would give a large amount of it, enough to sate all of Metron's scientific curiosity, after the Boom tube project was finished. I'm sure Metron has enough to rebuild his chair.
I didn't see him hand out a large amount of it, nor have I seen a scan where it's shown or stated that he has enough for a whole new Mobius Chair. Is there any such evidence or are you just speculating?


Also, again you never bought time manipulation or reality warping. Does the Worlogog have any feats that DON'T involve one of those things? If not, it's not really all that useful of an item since you wouldn't actually be allowed to do anything with it.

Guys, we have a bit of a problem. Please PM Evangel94 for clarification. I don't want this thread breaking down into a debate on what a participant can and can't use.

From PM:

Digi: If I create a piece of tech in the battle that can do a lot of different powers (matter manip, time manip, etc.) does it just go under tech, or am I banned from those additional powers unless I purchase them?

Evangel: Anything that allows you to manipulate time, time manipulation must be bought

She can clarify if needed, but those are here exact words copy/pasted, so in lieu of an official confirmation, they may be able to act as such in the interim.

I'm not singling anybody out or doubting anything. Since this is Trick's match and his plan I'd like him to hear it from Evangel94.

It's up to Darth and Trick how they proceed. I just don't want several hours of the tourney to be moot because a part of a plan was overruled.


Edit: I PMed Evangel94 with the dilemma. Hopefully this will be resolved soon.

Hey to bring up points from the Odd's thread but....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Entirely different example. I had to scrounge through time to re-assemble the gog. A lesser mind would never be able to do it. And Metron himself lacks the motivation or the precision to locate the Worlogog. Waverider doesn't have the limitless time/space range of the chair.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

So you're saying that it'd be "out of character" for him to do so?

Nice try. But in a straight match, where he has to fight, Metron will do what is needed. He's never had the inclination to re-assemble the Worlogog, but he was always fully capable of the task. And I have no doubt that he could possibly duplicate the precision with his tech. 2nd, He already had the 'gog once. it would perfectly in character for him (and his massive ego) to seek the knowledge it would provide.

Just to kill time until Evangel overrules Trick's blatant rule violation, I'll humor him so everyone has something to read other than the two of us bickering.

IF strategies like Trick's are legal(which it's not) it's not going to make a damn bit of difference. See since my amalgam has far better speed/reflexes than Tricks it means that we'll be acting first. So when our Cosmic Awareness tells us what's up here's what we're going to do...

1. All Adaptoids not otherwise assigned blast's off at full speed and starts bombarding Trick as a distraction.

2. The Silver Adaptoid then expands his senses and locates a Cosmic Cube.

Proof that Surfer can sense powerful energy sources anywhere in the universe...
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7614/daredevil28116hz4.jpg

3. The Silver Adaptoid then opens a space portal to the cubes location and uses the Power Cosmic/telekinesis to pull the cube through the portal and into his hand.

Proof that Surfer can open a portal for teleportation...
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3493/fantasticfourv304615telpe3.jpg

Proof that Surfer can move the Cube remotely...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6565/silversurfer05p22levitawx2.jpg

4. I then "wish" that the gog was in my hand rather than Tricks, and I still win.

The fact that you are arguing against the gog's power and not my acquiring it, is amusing.

Here's Amazo with half the power of the 'gog.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn1.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn2.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn4.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn5.jpg

Using the gog, Extant not only remade the universe, he completely altered the rules of physics, reality, and superpowers.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant171jv8.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant172vn7.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant19ze3.jpg

TOTAL temporal omniscience.
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant18nh4.jpg

Extant was able to do eons of prep in moments.
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant20jpgyy4.jpg

A few exotic molecules and screwing around with molecular structures.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant21jpghr3.jpg

How about my own army?
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant22gs5.jpg

Hourman 1M: It can do ANYTHING you imagine.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/hm1.jpg

A fraction of the Source reveals itself in the worlogog, and even that fraction is sufficient to blind the intellect.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/wor2.jpg

A stasis aura, which affords protection from temporal assaults and renders one out of phase with the timestream.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/hm1-1.jpg


And once, again, Extant ends the universe and recreates it in his image and design.
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant14iy8.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant15is6.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The fact that you are arguing against the gog's power and not my acquiring it, is amusing.

Here's Amazo with half the power of the 'gog.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn1.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn2.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn4.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazohrmn5.jpg

Using the gog, Extant not only remade the universe, he completely altered the rules of physics, reality, and superpowers.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant171jv8.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant172vn7.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant19ze3.jpg

TOTAL temporal omniscience.
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant18nh4.jpg

Extant was able to do eons of prep in moments.
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant20jpgyy4.jpg

A few exotic molecules and screwing around with molecular structures.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant21jpghr3.jpg

How about my own army?
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant22gs5.jpg

Hourman 1M: It can do ANYTHING you imagine.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/hm1.jpg

A fraction of the Source reveals itself in the worlogog, and even that fraction is sufficient to blind the intellect.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/wor2.jpg

A stasis aura, which affords protection from temporal assaults and renders one out of phase with the timestream.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/hm1-1.jpg


And once, again, Extant ends the universe and recreates it in his image and design.
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant14iy8.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=extant15is6.jpg
I'm not arguing the Gog's power(quite the contrary in fact) I'm seeking conformation on it's abilities. I saw a bunch of feats involving the manipulation of time and reality, but since you're not allowed to do any of that I don't really know what the point of the scans are.

Besides it doesn't matter because I'll have the gog in MY hand via the Cosmic Cube before you can do any of that.

Your team is strong. If I didn't have the gog, this would be tough, or probably a loss.

But..........a cube is not equal to the 'gog. you forgot about the self-imposed limits, and that I AM the worlogog, have merged it into me.

A cosmic cube has rewritten the omniverse. What feats does the gog have that blows that out of the water?

I have to take off for a while, but I'll be back later to continue(hopefully Evangel will have ruled by then).

Okay, time for me to vote.

My vote: Darthgoober.

Trickster's prep was bullshit. Illegal bullshit. We don't need a ruling, because Digimark's quote shows her saying that you cannot time travel without the time manipulation ability. That's the exact issue here, and given the answer there is nothing more to say on the issue.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Realistically, my plan is good. The prime obstacle is our gracious host. It's 'technically' legal, but if she cracks down on me or decides to be petty, then I'm boned. srug
Originally posted by Evangel94
I am not your judge TricksterPriest. KMC forums will judge if your plan will work. If you fail, then it is your own fault.

-Evangel94

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
It seems even Trick knows his strategy was well out of the limits...

...



Good stuff.

Just remember your words TricksterPriest. You said you would show me how broken this tournament is with your plan. Now...I wonder which is more broken; My tournament...or your plan?

There is no need for me to say anything. You all know the rules. It is not necessary for me to repeat them. Vote accordingly.

Darthgoober. not really much needs to be said.

I concur Darthgoober FTW... We all knew that Trick was going to go against the grain and try and weasel his way through this... And we also all knew that it wasn't going to work. DarthGoober's plan was put together very well and was definitely more believable/plausible.

Voting for Darthgoober

Most definitely Goob.

If we are to vote with things as they are, I have to vote for Goober too, his plan is less sketchy and the plan to assemble the Horlog is something I would barely accept in an actual vs debate with no rules, let alone in a tourney.

Goober +1.

Vote: Darthgoober


Clear violations; of time manipulation, and leaving the arena/prep area.

Notice how my plan was not ruled out. She said you guys were judging it.

And since everyone is voting against me, it's clear there are some axes to grind.

Thats the problem of Democracy right there Trick.

withholding vote till 3.

let's also give goober his credit, trick was almost pushed to go with that plan no matter how outlandish.

he somehow has to prevent getting oneshotted by 14,500 cosmically powered opponents swarming him like africanized honey bees, and metron not slip in his own urine from that at the same time.

.

Voting for Goober. Statements provided show that Trickster's plan violates the rules and thus would leave him with three nearly useless characters.


Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And since everyone is voting against me, it's clear there are some axes to grind.

Persecution complex and projection.

My strat was NOT ruled out. Thus, you cannot deem it illegal. You're all voting against me because I found a spectacular loophole and came up with a strat that's nigh-unbeatable.

Since Evangel refused to make a direct ruling, my strat is still in play. Which means, I win. Goober's team is incredibly powerful. Nothing short of divine power would take that group. But I did it. I found a way to beat him, and none apparently have the vision or brains to appreciate my scheme.


I have gained abstract level power in a tournament, and the hand of god hath not smote me. My plan worked, but apparently there is too much fear of my winning.

Honestly I don't buy it that you could get the Horlog without leaving the prep room, nor the pieces to build the chair laying around said lab. Did you prove it in any other way than just saying it should be like that?

But well, thats me, I'm sure the actual competitors were just scared.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Notice how my plan was not ruled out. She said you guys were judging it.

And since everyone is voting against me, it's clear there are some axes to grind.

Dude, we all knew the rules before the tourney started. You chose to ignore them, or not to find out in the proper timeframe. So if by "axe to grind" you mean "we're voting based on who isn't breaking the rules" then yeah.

Quit blaming others and realize that it's your own fault that you lost. Because it's one thing to misunderstand the rules, but you've gone from complaining about the rules to complaining about people. It's highly immature.

And yes it WAS ruled illegal. Or did you choose to ignore the PM Evangel sent me (and that I posted here) with this exact rule clarification?

Voting for goob.

voting for darthgoober

Shock of the century right here...

Trickster: Read this VERY carefully:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
From PM:

Digi: If I create a piece of tech in the battle that can do a lot of different powers (matter manip, time manip, etc.) does it just go under tech, or am I banned from those additional powers unless I purchase them?

Evangel: Anything that allows you to manipulate time, time manipulation must be bought.