Living Tribunal Vs. Presence

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The Mean Queen
top Gods who wins

SouthSpawn
The Presence is = to TOAA.

Therefore the Presence wins.

Mindset
LT isn't the top god of Marvel

Endless Mike
Presence

quanchi112
Presence wins.

The Mean Queen
my bad i meant TOAA i am half asleep

kevdude
stalemate then wink

Bouboumaster
TOAA = Stan Lee, and he's cooler, so he win.

Utrigita
Presence

Unnatural-POWER
Originally posted by The Mean Queen
top Gods who wins

Presence wins.

Originally posted by The Mean Queen
my bad i meant TOAA i am half asleep

Eternal Stalemate.

Dark-Jaxx
I have a question...TOAA is an Omniversal God, whereas Presence is only Multiversal, going by that wouldn't TOAA be stronger?

carnage52
precense is equal to toaa so the living tribunal just doesnt cut the mustard living tribunal versus spectre would be better.also toaa is only in control of the marvel universe due to jack kirby not creating any dc except new gods so he might just be able to control darkseid who could proably take over the entire marvel multiverse if he wanted but eternal stalemate between toaa and precense gun_bandanaraygun

starlock
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I have a question...TOAA is an Omniversal God, whereas Presence is only Multiversal, going by that wouldn't TOAA be stronger?

And where might you have heard that TOAA is an omniversle God?

There is only one omniverse

Galan007
http://i28.tinypic.com/n3akau.jpg

starlock
Originally posted by Galan007
http://i28.tinypic.com/n3akau.jpg

laughing laughing out loud laughing

guy222
TOAA=Presence=MoM

kevdude
Thats about right Galan ha.

Combat_Guru
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
TOAA = Stan Lee, and he's cooler, so he win.

Stan Lee is old and nasty.

BetrayedUnicorn
TRIBUNAL

BetrayedUnicorn
TRIBUNAL!!!!

Xplosive
Presence does to LT what THOTI did.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
http://i28.tinypic.com/n3akau.jpg
laughing

LOL, and brother G check this,
it seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9598/omni1ck3.th.jpg

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the entire Omniverse? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

................................................................................................

Meh, it's probably just talk.


Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're talking about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

................................................................................................

So,
unless DC and other companies contain copies of Earth-616,
these writers are crazy. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing

LOL, and brother G check this,
it seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9598/omni1ck3.th.jpg

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the entire Omniverse? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

................................................................................................

Meh, it's probably just talk.


Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're talking about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

................................................................................................ Bah! Those are DC earths too, cuz there's only 1 omniverse!! durfist

Mr Master
durlaugh


Btw. LT loses big time here.

Imo, THOTI stalemates any other Supreme Being from another company.

Imo, Carlin and Morrison type avatars = FF#511's Toaa/God,
these are the true GODS of Marvel & DC.

THOTI and the Presence,
are just drawings on a piece of paper created by these true GODS!

guy222
I believe the thread starter changed the thread to TOAA vs Presence

TOAA=Presence

Mr Master
Originally posted by guy222

TOAA=Presence
Originally posted by Mr Master

Imo, THOTI stalemates any other Supreme Being from another company.

Imo, Carlin and Morrison type avatars = FF#511's Toaa/God,
these are the true GODS of Marvel & DC.

THOTI and the Presence,
are just drawings on a piece of paper created by these true GODS!

Galan007
thumb up

Morrison still said it best:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4964/am1zz4.th.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
thumb up

Morrison still said it best:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4964/am1zz4.th.jpg
yes

carnage52
Originally posted by Xplosive
Presence does to LT what THOTI did. precense is grant morrison who is still among the living unlike "the king"besides presence kirb(y) stomps toaa Happy Dance

kevdude
Originally posted by Mr Master
durlaugh


Btw. LT loses big time here.

Imo, THOTI stalemates any other Supreme Being from another company.

Imo, Carlin and Morrison type avatars = FF#511's Toaa/God,
these are the true GODS of Marvel & DC.

THOTI and the Presence,
are just drawings on a piece of paper created by these true GODS!

TOAA = The Presence(Morrison) and thoti does not equal them and never will, they are the true Gods of there respected Universes, comon now Master you know this wink

Btw, LT gets blinked out of existance.

quanchi112
Presence wins.

Mr. Slippyfist
TRIBUNAL!!!

Mr Master
Originally posted by kevdude

TOAA = The Presence(Morrison) and thoti does not equal them and never will,

they are the true Gods of there respected Universes
Actually that Morrison avatar is not the Presence,
that Morrison avatar is exactly what Toaa/God from FF#511 represented:

Real world artists/writers.

The Presence is a drawing,
or idea on a piece of paper that was created by this type of Morrison avatar.

The Presence is an entity that's intergrated into the DC divine reality,
he has family, aspects of himself, and even a polar opposite.

Morrison did not identify with his creation as an equal, opposite or inferior existence,
but rather as what they really are,
just a drawing on a piece of paper.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4964/am1zz4.th.jpg


You must read the scan, or you'll end up in a dance of circles good friend.
.................................................................................

Just like Reed and the FF, Silver Surfer, Black Panther and even Galactus,
are just silly drawings on a piece of paper to the real OAA/God (writers/artists avatars)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6163/fantasticfour51119ze0.th.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1171/fantasticfour51118em9jtto2.th.jpg

.................................................................................


The Presence and THOTI are less than nothing to these true Gods of Marvel and DC.

The Presence and THOTI,
are the complete fictional representations of supreme beings,
withIN their respective realities. (DC and Marvel)

Morrison/Carlin and Kirbiesk/Lee type avatars are the creators of these drawings, ("supreme beings"wink
even though they themselves are being represented by a drawing as well.

.................................................................................


So bottom line:


The Presence = THOTI
(since both represent the Supreme Beings withIN their realities)

Morrison/Carlin/Kirbiesk/lee >>> Presence/HOTI
(since they literally represent the creators of everything that takes place on panel)
(including "supreme beings"wink that also appear on panel relating themselves with other drawings.

kevdude
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually that Morrison avatar is not the Presence,
that Morrison avatar is exactly what Toaa/God from FF#511 represented:

Real world artists/writers.

The Presence is a drawing,
or idea on a piece of paper that was created by this type of Morrison avatar.

The Presence is an entity that's intergrated into the DC divine reality,
he has family, aspects of himself, and even a polar opposite.

Morrison did not identify with his creation as an equal, opposite or inferior existence,
but rather as what they really are,
just a drawing on a piece of paper.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4964/am1zz4.th.jpg


You must read the scan, or you'll end up in a dance of circles good friend.
.................................................................................

Just like Reed and the FF, Silver Surfer, Black Panther and even Galactus,
are just silly drawings on a piece of paper to the real OAA/God (writers/artists avatars)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6163/fantasticfour51119ze0.th.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1171/fantasticfour51118em9jtto2.th.jpg

.................................................................................


The Presence and THOTI are less than nothing to these true Gods of Marvel and DC.

The Presence and THOTI,
are the complete fictional representations of supreme beings,
withIN their respective realities. (DC and Marvel)

Morrison/Carlin and Kirbiesk/Lee type avatars are the creators of these drawings, ("supreme beings"wink
even though they themselves are being represented by a drawing as well.

.................................................................................


So bottom line:


The Presence = THOTI
(since both represent the Supreme Beings withIN their realities)

Morrison/Carlin/Kirbiesk/lee >>> Presence/HOTI
(since they literally represent the creators of everything that takes place on panel)
(including "supreme beings"wink that also appear on panel relating themselves with other drawings.

We could go in circles, its like saying since DC makes there God the Old/New Testament God he should be above even your supposed "real" Gods writers, see where that goes? It's best not to let it go that route, anything else shows some biases (maybe?).

psycho gundam
isn't jack kirby (one half of the toaa) also part of the dc presence also? he created the fourth world and the new gods. and LT is is his right hand man.

Mindset
Just wondering, so is DC also an infinite amount of universes, or just 52?

Erik-Lensherr
Morrison's appearance in Animal Man =/= 'God's appearance in Fantastic Four.

That is all smile

Juntai
Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering, so is DC also an infinite amount of universes, or just 52? http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_rip_worldexplain1.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by kevdude

We could go in circles,
its like saying since DC makes there God the Old/New Testament God
he should be above even your supposed "real" Gods writers,
see where that goes?
Nah, I don't see where that goes.

Cause I know that no matter what the Presence is based on (real world God or not)
it's still just a drawing on a piece of paper.

So to suggest that a drawing on a piece of paper is above it's real world creators,
is illogical.
(although they're both represented by artwork,
one artistically represents a fictional reality,
the other artistically represents fiction based on truth)

The real God of the bible appearing in a comic is ludicrous and impossible,
but artistic visuals,
of Morrison/Kirbiesk avatars representing the writers/artists of the industry withIN a comic,
is easily accomplished with a pencil and some ink.

Morrison/Carlin/kirbiesk/lee avatars are the true Gods of Marvel and DC,
there's no arguing this friend.

Or did you overlook the scans again?

Originally posted by kevdude

It's best not to let it go that route, anything else shows some biases (maybe?).
dontgetit

Colossus-Big C
wasnt it retconned to superman creating the dc universe and vertigo iirc?

Lord_Talron
stan lee pwns all yes

galactusischere
They are IMO nearly equals(both are virtually omnipotent) but ima side with the Presence.

Nihilist
Presence with ease.

Omega Vision
Presence creates a Living Tribunal clone with a bigger fist FTW.

galactusischere
How?
The Presence isn't even omnipotent.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
How?
The Presence isn't even omnipotent.
Yeah he is. He's as Omnipotent as a character can be without being a meta-textual entity like the PM.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah he is. He's as Omnipotent as a character can be without being a meta-textual entity like the PM.

I thought the GEB was his equal?? Omnipotents can never have equals....unless they want to have equals.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
I thought the GEB was his equal?? Omnipotents can never have equals....unless they want to have equals.
GEB wasn't His equal, the GEB was essentially His Shadow. Your Shadow isn't your equal now is it?

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
GEB wasn't His equal, the GEB was essentially His Shadow. Your Shadow isn't your equal now is it?

Probably not.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
Probably not.
When the Voice/Presence first spoke and said "Let there be Light" the Light was created and flooded Creation but along with the Light appeared the shadow. Now I think it was also stated that although the coming of the Light made the GEB first manifest as a distinct being/entity it had always existed even before the Presence's creation.

The way I see it the GEB is the closest you can be to the Presence without being the Presence, thus the Upper, Upper end of Nigh-Omnipotent.

Black bolt z
Technically in the like late 60's in an FF comic it shows dr. doom enter and beat up lee/kirby.So I guess doom>>>>>>TOAA!

Also didn't TOAA technically appear on paper to peter in a spider man comic to convince him to be with dying aunt may?I thought I read that somewhere.

As for fight TOAA wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfpwns.

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