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This thread has been ignored. Why oww Why?

In this thread i deliver PROOF that the USA has tried to plot and fake attacks to get themselves a PRETEXT to attack someone or some country.

So you really believe the USA would never think of plotting such evil schemes like this again?

MWUHAHAHHAHHA History is repeating itself OVER and OVER! Wake up and smell The Hegelian Dialectics!

This has been discussed at length by others, you have proved nothing.

very well done Katsu.Great thread. Im guessing the reason nobody has replied to the thread is because it has been discussed before.Deano has made a couple of these threads before in the past and took the doubters about it to school on this issue and like you just have,proved the doubters and the coincidence theorists wrong as well.I been wanting to post something on this thread myself for quite some time but never had much time but I finally have a little bit to do so now so here goes.I would like to add on to this extremely well researched thread by posting a few bits of information from a book on 9/11.its called

Towers of Deception.The media cover-up of 9/11,The 9/11 news special you never saw.By Barrie Zwicker.

Here is what it says about zwicker on the back cover of the book.Barrie zwicker was the first journalist in the world to deeply question the official story of 9/11 on natioanl television.a writer,tv producer and host,and political and environmental activist,he was director of the international citizens inquiry into 9/11,phase 2,at the university of toronto in may 2004.

I am going to quote some of the overwhelming evidence he has in this book that governments have been engaging in since as far back as the 1600's to get us involved in fake and phony wars so the powers that be could profit from it.He starts off talking about false falg operations with a section titled -WHAT IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION.

A false flag operation is a contrived,staged event,usually shocking,planned by its actual perpetraters to appear to have been done by others.The term comes from navel history.a shio flying a flag not of its true nationality is flying a "false flag" for purposes of this chapter we catagorize an event as flase flag if it
"a" involves significant destruction of life and/or property,or
"b" is fairly spectacular.The gunpowder plot is an example.although there was no loss of life"until the allegeed plotters were executed." it qualifys because of the stunning impact on the england of that time,and
"c" is used by the perpetraters for a major political purpose,such as to launch or justify war,stage a coup,destabilize a society,subvert a popular movement,round up "undesirables",or cause a major change in policy.Most false-flag ops enable the deceitful rulers who order them to accomplish several aims among those listed.The reason is that the evidence of an inside job in the case of 9/11 is so obvious that it is susceptible to revelation.

PART ONE OF SIX.
Provoking the mexican american war.1846.
after mexicos revolution in 1821,Mexico abolished slavery and in 1829 prohibited further US immigration into texas,then a mexican state.In 1835,Mexico tried to enforce its authority over texas but was driven out by texans who proclaimed their independence and lobbied to be annexed by the us.Ten years later,new us president james polk offered to purchase new mexico and california and set the RIO Grande as the new us mexico boundary.Mexico refused.Unable to mobilize support for war against mexico,Polk sent general zachary to parade up and down the disputed border until the mexicans fired upon him.when news of this skirmisk reached washington,Polk announced to congress that mexico had transgressed the US boundary and shed american blood on american soil.congress declared war on mexico and was victorious.Thus in 1847 the US secured more than a million square miles of new territory including what is now the southwestern US from texas to california,with the RIO GRANDE as the new border.the war mobilized popular support for a weak president,boosted us nationalism,and gained vast new territories in which slavery was allowed.

PART TWO OF SIX.

PRECIPITATING THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR
THROUGH THE SINKING OF THE MAINE.1898.

In 1898,Cuba was poised to win its war of independence from spanish colonial rule.The US government agreed to respect cuba's sovereignty.On the pretext of protecting the safety of US citizens,the battleship MAINE was sent to HAVANA HARBOR.On February 15,1898,a huge explosion sank the MAINE,killing 266 members of its crew.The Maines captain cautioned against concluding this was an enemey attack,because the explosions was internal and probably caused by coal dust igniting weapons stored dangerously near the vessels coal bunker.But US newspapers seized opportunistically upon the situation,launching an intensive campaine to convince the public the MAINE had been blown up by enemy agents of spain.No shread of evidence was produced in the newspapers to prove this,which did not deter stridently escalating calls in the newspapers for war,based on lurid anti-spain stories of pure invention.On april 25,1898,the us congress declared war on spain.withing four months the US had replaced spain as the colonial power in the philippines,guam and puerto rico,and had devised a special status for cuba.Historian Howard zinn says the "splendid little war" {as it was dubbed by future secretary of state John Hay} ushered american military and economic power onto the world scene and began the new american domination.

PART THREE OF SIX.
THE SINKING OF THE LUSITANIA
BRINGS THE US INTO WWI "1915"

In 1915,Europe had been embroiled in war for a year,but the US public did not wish to be involved,and president woodrow wilson had declared US neautrality.On may 7,1915,a german submarine sank a british passenger ship,the Lusitania,killing 1,198,including 128 americans.US newspapers Aroused outrage against germany for ruthlessly killing defenseless US citizens and the US began to be drawn into the war.In april 1917,the US declared war on germany.

Many historians of WWI detailed the ruse.Commander Joseph Kenworthy in his 1928 book FREEDOM OF THE SEAS wrote-The lusitania was deliberatly sent at considerably reduced speed into an area where a U-boat was known to be waiting and with her escorts withdrawn.Patrick Beesly's history of first world war british naval intelligence notes-"No effective steps were taken to protect the Lusitania." The U boat commanders knew the Lusitania's route and that the ship contained six million rounds of US ammunition bound for Britain.Even thought two ships had been sunk on its path only two days earlier,no escort destroyers were assigned and the Lusitania was not specifically warned of any threats.Winston Churchill was the leader of the british admirality.He wrote in his first World War Memoirs,world crisis: The maneuver which brings an alley into the field is as serviceable as that which wins a great battle.

PART FOUR OF SIX.
THE GERMAN REICHSTAG FIRE. "1933"

The "classic" flase flag operation strategy -attack a symbol of your own power and frame your enemy-worked effectively for Adolph Hitler.In the period following its defeat in the FIRST WORLD WAR,Germany was governed under the constitution of the weimar Republic.The Nazi party was striving to seize power and Hitler,its leader,had recently been sworn in as Chancellor of a new coalition government.On the night of February 27,1933,the Reichstag Building,seat of the german Parliament,erupted in flames.three days before a federal election.The cause appeared to be arson.Police quickly found Marinus Van Derlubbe,an unemployed dutch communist brick-layer who had recently arrived in Germany,cowering naked behind the building.Hitler and Goering soon arrived,declared at the scene that the fire had been set by the communists and had that partys leaders arrested.
Historians,including Willaim Shirer in his masterpeice RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH,have documented that the fire was set by the nazis themselves.They set up ven der Lubbe as their patsy.Hitler rapidly took advantage of the situation.declaring a state of emergency and pressuring president Hindenburg to sign a decree abolishing most of the human rights provisions of the constitution.

After an unfair trial,van der Lubbe was executed by beheading and the communist party was banned.The public was bombarded with propaganda,leading most Germans to believe the nazi official story:that the communists had torched the building.In the political campaine that followed,Hitler was able to exploit the fear of communism to eventually seize power,whereupon he proceeded to embark upon preparations to precipitate the second world war.the technique of deception used in this flase flag operation has become so paradigmatic that operations in our era,such as 9/11 itself and its spinoffs "including the madrid and london train bombings that followed," are sometimes referred to as "REICHSTAG FIRES."

PART FIVE OF SIX.
THE JAPENESE "SNEAK ATTACK" ON PEARL HARBOUR. "1941."
US president Franklin Delano Roosevelt personally supported British Prime Minister winton churchill,canadian prime minister mackenzie king and others whose countries had declared was on Germany ag=fter Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 "on a flase flag op pretext-that polish soldiers had attacked a german radio station." But Roosevelt faced the problem of fascistic US elites who wanted the US to stay out of the war because they liked Hitler.also,the majority of the US public for historical reasons-wishing to avoid entanglement in European wars-was also opposed to US involvement.Roosevelt knew a japense attack on the US would galvanize his public and bring the US into conflict with Italy and germany,the two axis powers with which japan was allied.

The most painstakingly researched book on pearl harbour is Robert Stinnets DAY OF DECEIT.the truth about FDR and Pearl harbour.-great must read book everybody!!!!!! Based on 17 years of research and tens of thousands of previously unreleased documents,US navy veteran Stinnet proves that Roosevelt successfully arranged for japan to strike US facilities at the cost of 2,460 US lives.

Roosevelt secretly assigned a top aide to draw up what became an eight-point plan to provoke japan.cutting down japans oil supplies was part of the plan and was carried out,as were the other seven points.the keys to the plan were that "the US should not fire the first shot" and that US losses should be great enough to inflame public opinion.By august 6,1941,japense forces were poised to attack the US naval base at pearl harbour in hawaii,where the pacific fleet had been purposefully exposed to them.The US high command had broken all the japanese codes "although the japense did not know this" and could have prevented the attack,but Roosevelt made sure it was unopposed.

On December 7,1941,japense bombers attacked pearl harbour.This was immediatley characterized as a "sneak attack" and by FDR famously as "a day of infamy" The US public was outraged.the day before pearl harbour only 14 percent of the us public supported the USA entering the war,according to the Gallup poll.The day after,one million men volunteered to fight that war.tow days after that,the US was at war with the Axis powers.

PART SIX OF SIX.
the pentagans "OPERATION NORTHWOODS" "1962" -people here can either accept it as the truth since it cant be debunked or continue to live in denial about it.but the evidence is overwhelming here that the US government will go to ANY lenghts killing americans to get us into fake and phony wars.

In 1962,John F kennedy was US President,Robert McNamara was secretary of defense,and General Lyman LemNitzer was chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff.The CIA had just failed in its illegal bay of pigs invasion of cuba and US policy towards cuba was in public disarray.

in his book BODY OF SECRETS,JAMES BAMFORD writes-JFK decided to back away from military solutions to the cuban problem." But Lemnitzer,the CIA,and others at the top remained obsessed with Cuba.Writes Bamford. as the kennedy brothers appeared to suddenly "go soft" on cuba,Lemnitzer could see his opportunity to invade...quickly slipping away.Lemnitzer and the other chiefs knew there was only one option left that would ensure their war.they would have to trick the american public and world opinion.."

Their proposed plan,"operation northwoods." which had the written apporval of every member of the joint chiefs of staff,contained many suggestions,all astonishing in their criminality.the plan called for various flase flag actions,including simulated or real domestic terror attacks "such as highjacked planes." on US soil.it called for innocent people to be shot on streets,for boats carrying refugees fleeing cuba to be sunk on the high seas.for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in washington,D.C.,MIAMI,and elsewhere.people would be framed for bombings they did not commit,planes would be highjacked,a plane to be supposedly shot down by the cubans loaded with US passengers would provide "casualty lists in US newspapers which would cause a helpful wave of indignation." another suggestion was that,should the rocket due to lift astronaunt John Glenn into space on its launch from cape canaveral explode accidently,fake forensic evidence should be in place "to prove the cubans did it."

Using phony manufactured evidence,all of these atrocities would be blamed on Castro,thus giving lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse,as well as the public and international backing,they needed to launch their war.President Kennedy,thankfully,did not approve the plan.But such documented history of what the pentagan is capable of scheming is alone justification for suspicion of US government complicity in the events of 9/11.

this is also on the page on what I was quoting.
THE GULF OF TONKIN INCIDENT AND THE LAUNCH OF THE VIETNAM WAR 1964.

in 1964,supposedly concerned about the expansion if communism in southeast asia,the US government was looking for a way to justify launching military action to couter it.once again,they reached for the false flag strategy.Through the media,the public learned that in the gulf of tonkin,north vietnamese torpedo boats are reported to have attacked the US destroyer MADDOX.THE ASSOCIATED PRESS reports that..three PT boats identified by secretary of state Dean Rusk as North Vietnamese,attacked the US ships.

Later,a second US destroyer was attacked,according to press reports.No US salior suffers a scratch but the american people is outraged.President Lyndon Johnson goes on television to ask the country to support war action.two days later,the Tonkin Gulf Resolution is approved by the US house of represenatives,unanimously,then by the senate,88 to 2.The resolution becomes the entire justification for the united states war against vietnam.Before it was over,58,000 american soldiers and 3 million vietnamese died.

so as you and I proved,the evidence is overwhelming that the us government has been staging phony and fake events such as 9/11 dating back to the early 1900's with world war 1.and that opearion northwoods thing that we both mentioned,is documented as you did a great job of showing there.so the evidence is there that governments have been doing evil things to the public as far back as the early 1900's and operation northwoods CANT be debunked.ITS ALL DOCUMENTED.

for a long time I was considering myself of making a thread called PROOF OF THE US GOVERNMENT STAGING FAKE AND PHONY WARS FROM YEARS PAST.I had been considering it for a long time but as you can see,it took so much of my time to type out all that information in that book that it was hard for me to get the time to do it.but since YOU made this thread,I figured it was time for me to finally post all that evidence.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
This has been discussed at length by others, you have proved nothing.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
very well done Katsu.Great thread. Im guessing the reason nobody has replied to the thread is because it has been discussed before.

Doesn't Mr Parker realise that when he says things like this, we laugh hardest?

this is also on the page on what I was quoting.
THE GULF OF TONKIN INCIDENT AND THE LAUNCH OF THE VIETNAM WAR 1964.

in 1964,supposedly concerned about the expansion if communism in southeast asia,the US government was looking for a way to justify launching military action to couter it.once again,they reached for the false flag strategy.Through the media,the public learned that in the gulf of tonkin,north vietnamese torpedo boats are reported to have attacked the US destroyer MADDOX.THE ASSOCIATED PRESS reports that..three PT boats identified by secretary of state Dean Rusk as North Vietnamese,attacked the US ships.

Later,a second US destroyer was attacked,according to press reports.No US salior suffers a scratch but the american people is outraged.President Lyndon Johnson goes on television to ask the country to support war action.two days later,the Tonkin Gulf Resolution is approved by the US house of represenatives,unanimously,then by the senate,88 to 2.The resolution becomes the entire justification for the united states war against vietnam.Before it was over,58,000 american soldiers and 3 million vietnamese died.



I forgot to mention in THIS one that the commander of the US destroyer Maddox back then,has come forward all these years later in recent years and has confessed that they fired on the vietnamese FIRST to provoke the war.He's an old man now and not going to live much longer so at this point he doesnt care if they kill him or not for coming out and saying that now.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Im guessing the reason nobody has replied to the thread is because it has been discussed before.Deano has made a couple of these threads before in the past and took the doubters about it to school on this issue

You mean these instances?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5990350&highlight=Operation+Northwoods#post5990350

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6540996&highlight=Operation+Northwoods#post6540996

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6728764&highlight=Operation+Northwoods#post6728764

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7329118&highlight=Operation+Northwoods#post7329118


That's why no one pays attention to you and why we all think you are an idiot.

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WHOA nice stuff Mr. Parker! Awesome! More and more documents from our beloved and trusted government!

Thanks! I knew there was more out there but i didnt know where to find it. Now its all here in 1 thread. Read it and awaken people!

Mwuahhaha i love the kids on here. You present them CIA and FBI documented LIES and MORe LIES and still they are in denial.

How Sad!

I am always in awe of the same people who completely ignore my posts that point out the stupidity, irrelevancy or completely misconstrued points of their own.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I am always in awe of the same people who completely ignore my posts that point out the stupidity, irrelevancy or completely misconstrued points of their own.

I noticed it also, its like they are the comedy and your the DVD commentary.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I noticed it also, its like they are the comedy and your the DVD commentary. Mr Parker is going to ignore that comment.

Originally posted by Katsu
WHOA nice stuff Mr. Parker! Awesome! More and more documents from our beloved and trusted government!

Thanks! I knew there was more out there but i didnt know where to find it. Now its all here in 1 thread. Read it and awaken people!

Mwuahhaha i love the kids on here. You present them CIA and FBI documented LIES and MORe LIES and still they are in denial.

How Sad!

No problem.yep so true.pretty sad that they can NEVER admit it when they have been proven wrong..I guess to THEIR logic,those are fake documents and those high ranking officials NEVER said any of that or the government NEVER did any of those things. I guess these people just want to stay asleep.oh well.

the other thing I wanted to say Katsu is they always prove that they have no interest in learning the truth because I have noticed anytime ANYBODY comes on here and refers them to a book to read that proves what your saying to be true,they just go off and make stupid crap comments such as-so if the bible tells you something you automatically believe it? and then no matter how much you TRY and explain to them that the difference between the bible and books like the one I referred you to about 9/11, is the bible is fiction and full of fable stories.where books like that one I referred you to on 9/11 deal with FACTS.

But as you know, it always just goes through one ear and out the other with them.yeah pretty sad.anytime ANYBODY refers me to a book that they think can refute what I say,I ALWAYS take them up on the challenge and read the book they are talking about.at least so I can at least disprove it.that happened once on my clinton thread.A guy referred me to a book about clinton to try and disprove me from what I was saying,so I took him up on his challenge and read the book,and just like I knew that author to be,he was a die hard democrat who was full of disinformation.,He even ADMITTED in the book,that he was a die hard democrat and big supporter of clinton.Obviously a guy who was biased and therefore someone not to listen to.and also in the book,he had no references in the back of the book like most books do to back up his claims. thats why I dont bother with these people anymore.if they wont even do you the courtesy of reading a book you refer them to that proves what your saying to be true like this book does,then their obviously not interested in the truth since it goes against their long held beliefs thay have and not worthy of my time.oh and by the way,AFTER I disproved that guy that referred me to that book on clinton that talked about him being a good president and everything,he never came back on that thread again cause he knew he could not counter it.LOL.I even sent him a pm telling him I addressed what he said but he never responded.he just dissapeared all of a sudden from that section.he posted in OTHER SECTIONS of the site after that.But never again in THAT section.LOL.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I guess these people just want to stay asleep.oh well.

I'd rather sleep through the ignorant ramblings of a lunatic then ignore the comments posted that often deal in common sense.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No problem.yep so true.pretty sad that they can NEVER admit it when they have been proven wrong..I guess to THEIR logic,those are fake documents and those high ranking officials NEVER said any of that or the government NEVER did any of those things. I guess these people just want to stay asleep.oh well.

so...everything the government does is lies...unless it's an alleged government produced document that supposedly backs up your claims?...then it's 100% truth

Originally posted by jaden101
so...everything the government does is lies...unless it's an alleged government produced document that supposedly backs up your claims?...then it's 100% truth



BURN

Originally posted by jaden101
so...everything the government does is lies...unless it's an alleged government produced document that supposedly backs up your claims?...then it's 100% truth

I think maybe Mr. Parker meant to say was that our government is not always telling the truth.

I believe our government tells us lies mixed with truth and truth mixed with lies. If everything they said was an outright lie they would have been discovered by now!

So, we should make up our minds and not let our thoughts be dictated by MTV, NBC, CNN or the New York Times.

In this topic Mr. Parker provided some great documents by our beloved trusted government, which thank him deeply for.

We should read into these documents and then make up our own mind.

I believe that its a jungle of lies out there and its easy to get lost in all the disinfo and outrageous theories still it does not mean that the truth is not out there.................IT IS!

Look my Friends!

Originally posted by Katsu
I think maybe Mr. Parker meant to say was that our government is not always telling the truth.

I believe our government tells us lies mixed with truth and truth mixed with lies. If everything they said was an outright lie they would have been discovered by now!

So, we should make up our minds and not let our thoughts be dictated by MTV, NBC, CNN or the New York Times.

In this topic Mr. Parker provided some great documents by our beloved trusted government, which thank him deeply for.

We should read into these documents and then make up our own mind.

I believe that its a jungle of lies out there and its easy to get lost in all the disinfo and outrageous theories still it does not mean that the truth is not out there.................IT IS!

Look my Friends!

thank you.thats EXACTLY what I meant.I could not have said it better myself. of course the government has to tell the truth SOMETIMES because yeah if they lied ALL the time,people would not swallow their lies like they do so thats so true,they mix in their lies with the truth and the truth in with the lies quite often.

anyone who believes anything that's on MTV clearly needs their head examined...that's somethin i guess we can all agree on...unfortunately there are people who use it as a lifestyle bible

Originally posted by Katsu
I think maybe Mr. Parker meant to say was that our government is not always telling the truth.

I believe our government tells us lies mixed with truth and truth mixed with lies. If everything they said was an outright lie they would have been discovered by now!

So, we should make up our minds and not let our thoughts be dictated by MTV, NBC, CNN or the New York Times.

In this topic Mr. Parker provided some great documents by our beloved trusted government, which thank him deeply for.

We should read into these documents and then make up our own mind.

I believe that its a jungle of lies out there and its easy to get lost in all the disinfo and outrageous theories still it does not mean that the truth is not out there.................IT IS!

Look my Friends!

as did you.I think its hysterical from the coincidence theorists still in denial on it when thye say you posted an ALLEGED document. thats priceless.it was only discovered when the ASSASSINATIONS RECORD REVIEW BOARD for the JFK assassination case was opened up in 93 for researechers to go through and look through documents in the archives in washington D.C that through the freedom of information act,they discovered in those archives thanks to it being opened again that its an official document.alleged? okay whatever. thats a good one.

This thread is great comedy material.

Originally posted by lord xyz
This thread is great comedy material. george bush is a great and brilliant man

I love it when someone says something to the contrary of what Parker has to say, then says "but he'll completely ignore this post because it doesn't fit in with what he believes," and then he DOES ignore it. Repeatedly. It's great stuff.

"I" love how you proved you didnt even bother to read any of my posts on here that proves your buddy lord xyz as always is afraid of the truth and always ignores facts as did the other posters on here in denial about it like yourself.Also thanks for proving your afraid of the truth,your sooooooo obsessed with me as a poster,you didnt even bother to read the thread starters posts BESIDES mine that prove that the government WILL do something evil like they did on 9/11.pretty sad.

also its obvious that it hasnt occured to you that the reason I havent responded to the posts your talking about is because the posts that your talking about are from people who cant get into a discussion without getting into name calling and insults and can never admit it when they have been proven wrong.hense they have been on my ignore list for ages.

2 words....Minoru Yamasaki

Originally posted by lord xyz
This thread is great comedy material.

I agree, the murder of innocent people is always fun. Long live Satan!

Originally posted by Katsu
I agree, the murder of innocent people is always fun. Long live Satan!

co signed.

Originally posted by Katsu
I think maybe Mr. Parker meant to say was that our government is not always telling the truth.

I believe our government tells us lies mixed with truth and truth mixed with lies. If everything they said was an outright lie they would have been discovered by now!

So, we should make up our minds and not let our thoughts be dictated by MTV, NBC, CNN or the New York Times.

In this topic Mr. Parker provided some great documents by our beloved trusted government, which thank him deeply for.

We should read into these documents and then make up our own mind.

I believe that its a jungle of lies out there and its easy to get lost in all the disinfo and outrageous theories still it does not mean that the truth is not out there.................IT IS!

Look my Friends!

yeah and its sad that all the other posters on here are in so much denial about it that they dont want to look at my documents OR your document YOU provided that again proves the government WILL do evil things like that to their own people to start fake and phony wars.

I took a nice ling break from visiting this forum, upon returning what do I see? The same old shit. At least come up with some new material, guys.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
"I" love how you proved you didnt even bother to read any of my posts on here that proves your buddy lord xyz as always is afraid of the truth and always ignores facts as did the other posters on here in denial about it like yourself.Also thanks for proving your afraid of the truth,your sooooooo obsessed with me as a poster,you didnt even bother to read the thread starters posts BESIDES mine that prove that the government WILL do something evil like they did on 9/11.pretty sad. I've never even spoken to Kinneary. YOU HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS!

so what do we do? the problem is the millions of sheeple that vote against their own financial interests because of god, guns and gays. And no matter who runs the country, the same people still own america. But that's why we have to elect our politicians, not allow the rich to put their boys in power because that's the only time they can push their radical agendas. Clinton said no to invading iraq. gore would have too. same with kerry and obama.

so corporations have to give in to democrats on our behalf. sure they get in the corporations pocket too, but they still represent the working class.

sorry, got off topic, but only because it all ties together. for sure they let 9 11 happen. tie everything together and you'd be a fool not to think they did. did anyone mention prescott bush? gramps funded the nazi war machine. and bin ladins invested in bush oil 20 yrs ago. the last thing they needed was bush's oil. So the same time rove got a hold of impreshionable gw bush, potential high ranking politician. chaney & rumsfeld dusted off the old nixon playbooks after they sucessfully stole florida, then sent anthrax and blamed it on saddam.

We are going to look back and say, how the hell did we alow that all to happen? and we'll know the media was taken over after the 97 deregulations act.....

dude, you'll make my head explode. I can't believe how dumb americans are.

guilded age, great depression, viet nam.

people that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Mccain is 4 more yrs of the same.

Are you listening to Michelle Obama? I love her.

Ps. the federal reserve and income tax are a scam. see freedom to fascisn or Ron Paul. google them and see how we were taken over in 1913 by rockafellor, carnege and jp morgan. During the guilded age there was also jay gould. probably many more names. they owned rail roads, oil, auto, energy, phones, banks.

But to tax our income is unconstitutional.

Sorry, the obama family are just so cute. they're like the cosby family.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah and its sad that all the other posters on here are in so much denial about it that they dont want to look at my documents OR your document YOU provided that again proves the government WILL do evil things like that to their own people to start fake and phony wars.

the only person who has EVER refused, pointblank, to read anything that has been presented in this forum is you Parker...



want me to go quote the posts where you've called me "scum" among other things????

What sucks is that the republicans and us have something in common. We both know that the masses are stupid. Look at how they create wedge issues and throw us off track. I'm sure the 9 11 conspiracy denier would even defend 9 11 being an inside job if they found out it were true. Why not? They've defended pollution, record deficits, inflation, weak dollar, hurting middle class while rich get richer, home values down, lie us into a war, rape treasury, 4000 dead americans, maybe a million iraqi', didn't catch bin ladin, bank closings, 2 recessions,

They would just say 9 11 they were collateral damage or for the greater good. Needed to launch PNAC. And they donate the money to write the history books.

We need to tell people what we know, don't ramble, some will see andmost won't. Support young libertarians willing to challenge the whole irs/federal reserve scam.

undo tax breaks to anyone, just stop spending on wasteful pork and maybe we will get social security. fix nafta big time. be pro union. sorry, I tend to ramble. vote obama. we know mccain is one of them. maybe obama isn't. and we need to let them know we won't vote them in again after the last 2 elections. that would make us stupid. ask the rest of the world. actually listen to them for a change. the gop sucks. its true.

all great points and great to finally have an intelligent another intelligent poster on this thread for a change.someone who can think for themselves and outside the box.yeah theres a thread about that on prescott bush,its all been talked about and documented there how prescott bush helped put hitler into power.again those are all good points you made and like i said,great to finally see someone here for a change that can think for themselves and outside the box but the stuff you posted doesnt really belong on this thread though.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
"I" love how you proved you didnt even bother to read any of my posts on here that proves your buddy lord xyz as always is afraid of the truth and always ignores facts as did the other posters on here in denial about it like yourself.Also thanks for proving your afraid of the truth,your sooooooo obsessed with me as a poster,you didnt even bother to read the thread starters posts BESIDES mine that prove that the government WILL do something evil like they did on 9/11.pretty sad.

the last thing I wanted to add on to this is at least chillmeister was mature enough to not have this pathetic and irrational obsession with me as a poster you and some others here do Kinnery.He at LEAST was mature enough to talk about what the THREAD STARTER of this thread was posting about.He at least isnt so obsessed with me to just single ME out, cause like others here,cant get over a debate that took place from ages ago and STILL obviously carries that grudge from that long ago STILL. strange that he only decided to post on THIS thread though when returning to this section when there are several other threads to post on as well.very strange. thanks for not having this childish obsession with me chill like kinnery and others do and actually refer to what the THREAD STARTER was talking about.good to see YOU at least dont carry these childish grudges like kinnery and others here.

nuff said.

Originally posted by sealybobo
What sucks is that the republicans and us have something in common. We both know that the masses are stupid. Look at how they create wedge issues and throw us off track. I'm sure the 9 11 conspiracy denier would even defend 9 11 being an inside job if they found out it were true. Why not? They've defended pollution, record deficits, inflation, weak dollar, hurting middle class while rich get richer, home values down, lie us into a war, rape treasury, 4000 dead americans, maybe a million iraqi', didn't catch bin ladin, bank closings, 2 recessions,

They would just say 9 11 they were collateral damage or for the greater good. Needed to launch PNAC. And they donate the money to write the history books.

We need to tell people what we know, don't ramble, some will see andmost won't. Support young libertarians willing to challenge the whole irs/federal reserve scam.

undo tax breaks to anyone, just stop spending on wasteful pork and maybe we will get social security. fix nafta big time. be pro union. sorry, I tend to ramble. vote obama. we know mccain is one of them. maybe obama isn't. and we need to let them know we won't vote them in again after the last 2 elections. that would make us stupid. ask the rest of the world. actually listen to them for a change. the gop sucks. its true.

anyways back to the topic at hand here.again good points sealyboo but THIS thread is about how the government will stage terrorists attacks to get us into a phony war.it doesnt really belong here.