2012 - those sumerians were a smart bunch

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Deano
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcPWa6SomE

how could the sumerians know the details of our solar system?

Evil Dead
apparently they knew more than us......because we only know of 9 planets (yes, I still count Pluto) whereas they show twelve. Not only is there an invisible 12th planet out there......somewhere between us and it is apparently two more invisible planets.

lord xyz
It is intriguing.

Deano
they didnt even have no telescopes...

Katsu
The Sumerians were not that smart, it was the guys who introduced astronomy, agriculture, religion basically civilization to them.

Those culture bearers came from Atlantis. (The disinfo part says it was aliens from Tiamat)

Yes, i said it: Atlantis.

The greatest discovery i made researching occult knowledge. Atlantis was for real and they were our ancestors.

The proof for Atlantis is overwhelming! Research it!

Magee
I think maybe you need to look up the definition of proof in the dictionary.

Deano
not all things can be proved. use your intuition

so magee, what do you think of the sumerian knowledge?

Deano
http://perceval.netfirms.com/sessions/940930.html

good read. the cassiopaean entitys say the sumerians are describing a cluster of comets, and not an actual planet.

they also tell you who killer jack the ripper! lol

Q: (L) Who was Jack the Ripper?
A: Dr. Bates.
Q: (L) Did he commit suicide and is that why the Ripper killings
stopped?
A: No.
Q: (L) Did he just stop doing it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why did he do it?
A: Experiment human organs; he was a mad surgeon.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Katsu
The Sumerians were not that smart, it was the guys who introduced astronomy, agriculture, religion basically civilization to them.

Those culture bearers came from Atlantis. (The disinfo part says it was aliens from Tiamat)

Yes, i said it: Atlantis.

The greatest discovery i made researching occult knowledge. Atlantis was for real and they were our ancestors.

The proof for Atlantis is overwhelming! Research it! How about you provide evidence instead.

Originally posted by Deano
they didnt even have no telescopes... How'd they know?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Katsu
The proof for Atlantis is overwhelming! Research it!

There is no proof. It is a myth. Research it!

jaden101
Originally posted by Katsu
The Sumerians were not that smart, it was the guys who introduced astronomy, agriculture, religion basically civilization to them.

Those culture bearers came from Atlantis. (The disinfo part says it was aliens from Tiamat)

Yes, i said it: Atlantis.

The greatest discovery i made researching occult knowledge. Atlantis was for real and they were our ancestors.

The proof for Atlantis is overwhelming! Research it!

i'm actually with Katsu on this one...i think the cultural connections between ancient civilisations around the atlantic rim in architecture for example as well as other aspects is striking evidence of a common cultural origin

i dont believe that atlantis was a mystical underwater city like some legends suggest but i think its highly possible that an "atlantis" civilisation existed and were ahead of their time technologically

human race hasn't always been on an advancing path in terms of technology...the dark ages are proof that human civilisation can take large leaps back cultural and technoligical achievement

Deano
Originally posted by lord xyz
How about you provide evidence instead.

How'd they know?

they said the 'annunaki' told them wink

atlantis has many theorys. some say it was an island of some sort while others claim it was a base for E.T's

KharmaDog
Originally posted by jaden101
i'm actually with Katsu on this one...i think the cultural connections between ancient civilisations around the atlantic rim in architecture for example as well as other aspects is striking evidence of a common cultural origin

I see what you are saying, but the atlantis that you describe, and the the atlantis that Katsu probably believes in are, more than likely, extremely different concepts.

Evil Dead
agreed. I don't believe in Atlantis, Plato's myth of a city continent but I do believe in a decently civilized antedeluvian civilization. There are too many coincidences between ancient cultures which never had contact with one another. I believe Altantis was just a myth Plato told that was based on an ancient civilization.

Katsu
People, please research IMHO the greatest secret our planet has to offer: The Antediluvian World! The Antediluvian world was Atlantis and Lemuria/Mu. People, may i remember you of the lost cities Herculaneum and Pompeii which were said to be nothing more than fables and myths? We know better now dont we?

Atlantis did exist, you say there is no proof? Wrong! The proof cannot be denied! There are 2 books one must read to find out, the most interesting books i ever read to be honest! You can find them on the net in PDF format, just google it big grin

"Atlantis, the Antediluvian World" and "The Atlantis Encyclopediae Book"

To get you interested:

Atlantis: The Antediluvian World poses 13 fundamental positions, which formed the basis of Atlantology. These predicate that:

1) Atlantis was a large island that lay just outside the Strait of Gibraltar in the Atlantic Ocean.
2) Plato’s account of Atlantis is factual.
3) Atlantis was the site where mankind arose from barbarism to civilization. Donnelly was the first to state this view, which, although not mentioned in Plato’s Dialogues, is suggested by the weight of supportive evidence found in the traditions of peoples residing within the former Atlantean sphere of influence.
4) The power of Atlantis stretched from Pacific coastal Peru and Yucatan in the west to Africa, Europe, and Asia Minor in the east.
5) Atlantis represented “a universal memory of a great land, where early mankind dwelt for ages in peace and happiness”—the original Garden of Eden.
6) The Greek, Phoenician, Hindu, and Scandinavian deities represented a confused recollection in myth of the kings, queens, and heroes of Atlantis. Although important Atlantean themes interpenetrate both Western and Eastern mythologies, as he successfully demonstrated, Donnelly overstated that relationship by reducing all the ancient divinities to merely mythic shadows of mundane mortals.
7) The solar cults of ancient Egypt and Peru derived from the original
religion of Atlantis.
8) Egypt, whose civilization was a reproduction of Atlantis, was also the oldest Atlantean colony. Early Dynastic Egypt was a synthesis of indigenous Nilotic cultures and Atlantean culture-bearers who arrived at the Nile Delta during the close of the fourth millennium B.C. The hybrid civilization that emerged was never a “colony” of Atlantis, although Donnelly was right in detecting numerous aspects of Atlantean culture among the Egyptians.
9) The Atlanteans, responsible for the European Bronze Age, were the first manufacturers of iron, as well. While persuasive evidence for this last argument is scant, Donnelly’s identification of the Atlanteans with the bronze-barons of the Ancient World is among his most valid and important positions.
10) The Phoenician and Mayan written languages derived from Atlantis. Phoenician letters evolved from trade contacts with the Egyptians, whose demotic script was simplified by merchants in Lebanon. If Egyptian and Mayan hieroglyphs are both Atlantean, they should be at least partially intertranslatable, which they are not. Even so, they may have evolved into separate systems over the millennia from a shared parent source in Atlantis, because at least a few genuine comparisons, known as cognates, between the two have been made.
11) Atlantis was the original homeland of both the Aryan and the Semitic peoples. What later became known as the so-called “Indo-Europeans” may have first arisen on the Atlantic island, and the Atlanteans were unquestionably Caucasoid. But such origins are deeply prehistoric, and any real proof is very difficult to ascertain. More likely, the Atlanteans were direct descendants of Cro-Magnon
types, whose genetic legacy has been traced to the original inhabitants of the Canary Islands, the native Guanches, direct descendants of Atlantis. Donnelly mistakenly accepted the Genesis story of the Great Flood and related references in Old Testament and Talmudic literature as evidence for Aryan (Japhethic), as well as Semitic origins in Atlantis. In truth, the Hebrews incorporated some
ancient Gentile traditions, such as the Deluge, into their own mosaic culture. Even so, the Phoenicians were in part descended from the invading “Sea Peoples” of lost Atlantis in the early 12th century B.C.
It was the depredations of these Atlantean survivors-turned-privateers that ravaged the shores of Canaan, thereby making possible a takeover of the Promised Land by the Hebrews. They intermarried with the piratical Gentiles to produce
the mercantile Phoenicians. Their concentric capital at Carthage and prodigious seafaring achievements were evidence of an Atlantean inheritance. These influences, however, are after the fact (the destruction of Atlantis). Even so, Edgar Cayce spoke of a “principle island at the time of the final destruction” he called “Aryan.” Later, he described “the Aryan land” as Yucatan, where a yetto-be discovered Hall of Records contains original documents pertaining to Atlantis.
12) Atlantis perished in a natural catastrophe that sank the entire island and killed most of its inhabitants.
13) The relatively few survivors arrived in various parts of the world, where their reports of the cataclysm grew to become the flood traditions of many nations. The late 19th-century publication of Atlantis: The Antediluvian World marked the beginning of renewed interest in Atlantis, and is still among the best of its kind on the subject.

ITS THE MISSING LINK PEOPLE!

Katsu
After Atlantis got destroyed in mayor cataclysms their inhabitants escaped to all corners of the world. They started civilization in Sumer, Babylon, Mexico, India, Peru and then some.......

Mysterious ruins found in 1986, Japan.

Yonaguni, 12.000 year old ruins found near the coast of Japan......Lemuria/Mu????

I hear the critics go: ahhah nature grows rocks like that wink

http://www.esoturio.com/de/bilder/mysterien/japan_yonaguni_gesicht_statue.jpg

http://atareq.net/ufologia/doc/yonaguni2.jpg

Katsu
Originally posted by jaden101
i'm actually with Katsu on this one...i think the cultural connections between ancient civilisations around the atlantic rim in architecture for example as well as other aspects is striking evidence of a common cultural origin

110% right Jaden.

Check the books i have posted. Provides proof to what you said.

jaden101
Originally posted by Katsu
110% right Jaden.

Check the books i have posted. Provides proof to what you said.

i'll certainly have a read when i can mate thumb up

Deano
what caused the catyclysms?

comets? planet x? or something else

jaden101
Originally posted by Deano
what caused the catyclysms?

comets? planet x? or something else

its not unheard of for entire islands to be wiped out in what are relatively small geological events compared to what has been known to happen before humans inhabited the planet

the eruption of krakatoa was the biggest in recorded human history and also produced the loudent noise ever heard by human beings....geologically it was quite small but still managed to wipe out an entire island

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/img/krakatoa.jpg

thats krakatoa now ^ and shows the new volcano arising from the sea in the middle of what was the old island...which now essentially rings the new crater

in geological terms there are super volcanos are vastly bigger and could wipe out huge areas of land

it's also theorised that it was volcanic eruptions that brought about many of the recessions in human culture...inlcuding, as i previously mentioned, the dark ages

so again its not unheard of for cataclysms such as volcanos to effectively end certain civilisations

an example historically being Pompei at mount vesuvius

Deano
interesting. but could the story of the great flood among others be tied in with the fall of atlantis? theres seems to be many tales across the world that speak of great catyclsmsaround that time period
i wonder if its more than just a volcano at work.

Katsu
Originally posted by jaden101
its not unheard of for entire islands to be wiped out in what are relatively small geological events compared to what has been known to happen before humans inhabited the planet

MMM, this is getting weird, i have to agree with Jaden again big grin

It were most likely volcanic cataclysms followed by earthquakes, Atlantis was located right on top of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, a volcanic hotspot on our planet.

All quoted from "Atlantis, The Antediluvian World"

Where was Atlantis located?

"The Azore Islands are undoubtedly the peaks of the mountains of Atlantis. They are even yet the centre of great volcanic activity. They have suffered severely from eruptions and earthquakes. In 1808 a volcano rose suddenly in San Jorge to the height of 3500 feet, and burnt for six days, desolating the entire island. In 1811 a volcano rose from the sea, near San Miguel, creating an island 300 feet high, which was named Sambrina, but which soon sunk beneath the sea. Similar volcanic eruptions occurred in the Azores in 1691 and 1720."

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj287/Drexizen/atlantis.jpg

More on the the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, very dangerous place to start civilization me thinks big grin

"A great line, a mighty fracture in the surface of the globe, stretching north and south through the Atlantic, we find a continuous series of active or extinct volcanoes.. "

The End of Atlantis.

"It is very probable that the centre of the convulsion was in the bed of the Atlantic, at or near the buried island of Atlantis, and that it was a successor of the great earth throe which, thousands of years before, had brought destruction upon that land."

"The Fountains of the Great Deep.--As Atlantis perished in a volcanic convulsion, it must have possessed volcanoes. This is rendered the more probable when we remember that the ridge of land of which it was a part, stretching from north to south, from Iceland to St. Helena, contains even now great volcanoes--as in Iceland, the Azores, the Canaries, etc.--and that the very sea-bed along the line of its original axis is, to this day, as we have shown, the scene of great volcanic disturbances."

"We conclude, therefore: 1. That it is proven beyond question, by geological evidence, that vast masses of land once existed in the region where Atlantis is located by Plato, and that therefore such an island must have existed; 2. That there is nothing improbable or impossible in the statement that it was destroyed suddenly by an earthquake "in one dreadful night and day."

"SUPPOSE we were to find in mid-Atlantic, in front of the Mediterranean, in the neighborhood of the Azores, the remains of an immense island, sunk beneath the sea--one thousand miles in width, and two or three thousand miles long--would it not go far to confirm the statement of Plato that, "beyond the strait where you place the Pillars of Hercules, there was an island larger than Asia (Minor) and Libya combined," called Atlantis? And suppose we found that the Azores were the mountain peaks of this drowned island, and were torn and rent by tremendous volcanic convulsions; while around them, descending into the sea, were found great strata of lava; and the whole face of the sunken land was covered for thousands of miles with volcanic débris, would we not be obliged to confess that these facts furnished strong corroborative proofs of the truth of Plato's statement, that "in one day and one fatal night there came mighty earthquakes and inundations which ingulfed that mighty people? Atlantis disappeared beneath the sea; and then that sea became inaccessible on account of the quantity of mud which the ingulfed island left in its place."

We havent found Atlantis yet because it is buried beneath miles of magma. There is no doubt in my mind that we will find Atlantis one day just like we found Pompeii and Herculaneum!

I say lets start digging!!!!!!

jaden101
i believe the azores are only 1 of several places where the mid atlantic ridge currently breaks the surface

others being Tristan De Cuhna (the most remote island in the world

Jan Mayan, Iceland, Ascencian island, bouvet island and gough island

all of these islands are at huge risk of destruction because of the fact that they lie on the mid atlantic ridge because its a massive fault line

the ridge itself is between 300 and 600 miles wide in parts...easily enough to hide a multitude of things

jaden101
it's as weird for me as it is for you...guess if we cover enough ground we're bound to find something we agree on to an extent

stick out tongue laughing

Katsu
Originally posted by Deano
interesting. but could the story of the great flood among others be tied in with the fall of atlantis? theres seems to be many tales across the world that speak of great catyclsmsaround that time period
i wonder if its more than just a volcano at work.

You are right Deano.

Imagine England or USA wiped off the face of the planet in a single day and night. Surely that would be remembered in all cultures/countries around the world and be written about in their historybooks.

In almost every country/culture on this planet you will find stories/myths/legends about the great Flood destroying a great civilization.

Read the book "Atlantis, The Encyclopediae Book"

It has collected all these Flood stories from around the world, great read!

Katsu
Originally posted by jaden101
it's as weird for me as it is for you...guess if we cover enough ground we're bound to find something we agree on to an extent

stick out tongue laughing

WHY OWW WHY LORD! Just so you know i still feel you suck Jaden wink

I kid.

jaden101
Originally posted by Katsu
WHY OWW WHY LORD! Just so you know i still feel you suck Jaden wink

I kid.

hahaha...i know its hard for you to tell me you love me... laughing stick out tongue

lord xyz
According to Wikipedia, Nibiru was what the Sumerians called Jupiter.

jaden101
i think the fact that there is some small degree of agreement in this thread between almost everyone that everyone is so stunned and shocked that almost noone is posting in the entire conspiracy forum anymore...

hahaha...maybe it was a ploy by us disinfo agents to use reverse psychology on the CT's to silence them...AHAAA...gotcha's

lord xyz
Originally posted by jaden101
i think the fact that there is some small degree of agreement in this thread between almost everyone that everyone is so stunned and shocked that almost noone is posting in the entire conspiracy forum anymore...

hahaha...maybe it was a ploy by us disinfo agents to use reverse psychology on the CT's to silence them...AHAAA...gotcha's Hmm, no Parker or Kharmadog.

Katsu
Originally posted by jaden101
i think the fact that there is some small degree of agreement in this thread between almost everyone that everyone is so stunned and shocked that almost noone is posting in the entire conspiracy forum anymore...

Now, if 2 kids on some forum can reach the conclusion that Atlantis probably (like 98%) existed then why is no one with some serious money trying to dig up Atlantis?

Simple!

Atlantis was the place where sunworship started (you know human sacrifices and stuff). The Atlantean priesthood are the ones who still rule us today (not directly but their religion is). The Elite are sunworshippers aka pagans. If you know your history you are able to follow the trail of the Elite -> Atlantis -> Mesopotamia -> Asia Minor -> Italy -> Austria -> France -> England -> America (most of them are there right now).

Atlantis is the missing link and may not be found because it would learn us a whole lot more about sunworship and paganism!

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Katsu
because it would learn us a whole lot more about sunworship and paganism!

confused

superr
In the great flood/melt, between the last ice age and recorded history.Huge amounts of land disapeared beneath the waves some in cataclysm but mainly to gradual inundation..It is not beyond bounds that prehistoric unrecorded civilazations went with it.

superr
btw--wasnt one of the largesty people mentioned in the bible-- the woman of some area( sumeria)

Katsu
Originally posted by superr
btw--wasnt one of the largesty people mentioned in the bible-- the woman of some area( sumeria)

Wouldnt know about that. Havent read the book to be honest.

What i do know that is the Story of Noah and his Ark is exoterically reffering to the Atlantean culture bearers stranding on the shores of Mesopotamia and starting a new civilization.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Deano
they didnt even have no telescopes...

How many ancient civilisations were there?

I'm glad one of them got it right.

lord xyz
Here's a good video.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1356843629123064992&q=sumerian&total=853&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

darkxbox
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
How many ancient civilisations were there?

I'm glad one of them got it right.

actually, all of them got it right, they were destroyed before they could tell everyone else

the dark ages actually started when barbarians invaded civilized europe and destroyed all of the technological advances with brute force

atlantis did exist, they are looking for it

and also, i believe that 12/21/2012 is when the annunaki are returning

the bible has been misread by everyone

go suck a cactus...

lord xyz
Originally posted by darkxbox
actually, all of them got it right, they were destroyed before they could tell everyone else

the dark ages actually started when barbarians invaded civilized europe and destroyed all of the technological advances with brute force

atlantis did exist, they are looking for it

and also, i believe that 12/21/2012 is when the annunaki are returning

the bible has been misread by everyone

go suck a cactus... Okay, if Nibiru is going to come back in 3 years, how come telescopes that can go as far as Eris not see it? Surely we would be seeing big mighty Nibiru in our solar system, like we did 6,000 years ago where it's reptillian people enslaved us, and even 3,000 years ago when the planet would've come back a second time.

darkxbox
well, technically, it could still twice as far from the sun as pluto is, after all, thats where its orbit flight goes...
oh, and what i meant by that was that they are coming back in one of there spaceships, after all, maybe ufo sightings are really sightings of their ships, we havent seen them since they left earth about maybe 2000 years ago give or take a few centuries. they would have had plenty of time to advance their tech.

lord xyz
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to wait til the planets in our solar system, by then we would see it?

darkxbox
by then we would all be dead

Tenebrous
Originally posted by darkxbox
the dark ages actually started when barbarians invaded civilized europe and destroyed all of the technological advances with brute force


They destroyed the technological advances in western europe....eastern europe survived under the dominions of the Byzantine Empire....aka the Eastern Roman Empire...almost all Roman technological ingenuity was preserved there, including military and legal advances. Example, the cathedral of Hagia Sophia was constructed during the reign of Emperor Justinian in 5 years, from 532 and 537. It would remain the largest cathedral in the entire world for almost 1000 years, until the Seville cathedral was completed in 1520. By comparison, the seville cathedral began in 1402...that's over a hundred years to complete, as opposed the 5 years for the Hagia Sophia.

So only the west of europe suffered...but by no means was technological sophistication completely lost.



who are the annunaki? i know only that the mayan calander indicates 2012 as some momentous event, as well as the termination of their calender. In any case care who are these names you refer to?

darkxbox
see video at beggining of thread.

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