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Hal Jordan leading a Justice League? Hell yeah.

Hal Jordan being the leader of a second-string Justice League? Demoted to the likes of Supergirl and Batwoman?

What?!

Yeah I read this a while ago.

Because with McDuffie on the title, he wants all the black characters front and center in the main book, so Hal is thrown out, so he can give the character pushes to Black Lightning, John Stewart, and Vixen, who have been the center of the series since his takeover.

Outside of Batwoman, the team looks dope though. Maybe she'll grow on me... but probably not.

jesus, there's a bat woman?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's noticed that, recently....

Black Lightning, Stewart, and Vixen have been portrayed as more powerful/important than Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, et cetera.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm glad I'm not the only one that's noticed that, recently....

Black Lightning, Stewart, and Vixen have been portrayed as more powerful/important than Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, et cetera.

I saw this coming back in the 40s.

I knew Hal would be thrown out. So much for the partnership dealio.

Originally posted by Tetragrammaton
I knew Hal would be thrown out. So much for the partnership dealio.

At least he gets to be the leader of a team with solid superstar characters like Supergirl, Batwoman, and Starman.

This actually looks decent, and any hal ollie interaction is good...

god i hate mcduffie...

Originally posted by Raoul
This actually looks decent, and any hal ollie interaction is good...

god i hate mcduffie...

Very true. At the absolute least, the Green Lantern/Arrow dynamic will be good.

Originally posted by Soljer
Very true. At the absolute least, the Green Lantern/Arrow dynamic will be good. Hal, Ollie, Starman III, Supergirl, Ray Palmer and Shazam is decent to me, it's just the Batwoman I don't like.
Kara's carved her own place already.
I take it she's out of the Titans soon then?

Gotta say though, I do have confidence in Robinson.

Sounds interesting but Juntai is right... Batwoman needs to go...or better yet erased from DC history.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sounds interesting but Juntai is right... Batwoman needs to go...or better yet erased from DC history.

Maybe we'll get lucky in Final Crisis?

Originally posted by Soljer
Maybe we'll get lucky in Final Crisis?

That's what I'm hoping for.

She's completely craptastic.

Originally posted by Soljer
Very true. At the absolute least, the Green Lantern/Arrow dynamic will be good.

yeah, fingers crossed the rest of the book is just as good... jla literally ony has benes' art going for it, imo...

Hal and Ollie is kind of an old hat. Doesn't help that I don't like Ollie.

I have nothing against Vixen or Black Lightning, but I can't stand John. He is far to arrogant and nunworthy to be a GL. I want to see more interaction between Superman, Wonder Woman and Hal, because in my opionion, Hal should be part of the Holy Trinity. Batman is too overrated, they need to bring him down and give Hal a try. Anyways if they write a new Justice league, you can't forget Flash. As for the other members, I would like to see Supergirl and Dr. Fate.

or if not have remake the justice league as a whole and include the following members as the core.

Superman, WonderWoman, Hal Jordan, Dr. Fate (kent), Zatanna, Vixen, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Flash and Batman (reserve) and or Hawkman (Carter Hall)

p.s. I can wait for Red Tornado, he is finally going to get an upgrade, it is about time.

Originally posted by Aztec123
p.s. I can wait for Red Tornado, he is finally going to get an upgrade

He is?

Red Tornado upgrade = another excuse for him to get blown to pieces and put back together

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He is?

It was implied on suicide squad. I cant remember exactly what steel says, but he stated that his new suit will stronger and better than ever. That's what I got out of it, but I might be wrong though
Anyways, I hope he gets an upgrade. It would be really cool.
He is an awesome character, or so i believe.

Originally posted by Aztec123
I have nothing against Vixen or Black Lightning, but I can't stand John. He is far to arrogant and nunworthy to be a GL. I want to see more interaction between Superman, Wonder Woman and Hal, because in my opionion, Hal should be part of the Holy Trinity. Batman is too overrated, they need to bring him down and give Hal a try. Anyways if they write a new Justice league, you can't forget Flash. As for the other members, I would like to see Supergirl and Dr. Fate.

or if not have remake the justice league as a whole and include the following members as the core.

Superman, WonderWoman, Hal Jordan, Dr. Fate (kent), Zatanna, Vixen, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Flash and Batman (reserve) and or Hawkman (Carter Hall)

p.s. I can wait for Red Tornado, he is finally going to get an upgrade, it is about time. The lineup was mentioned already.


And Flash is going to be part of the new Titans team.

they said reddy is getting a new body in jla 18 i think, too... he'll have the full range of human sensation, and his new body will be more durable than his old one...

James Robinson is always good- "Starman" is one of the few things I'd consider paying the like, hundred dollars for the "Absolute" volume.

Is this red hed hot lesbian, the Question's ex-girlfriend Batwoman? She's not such a bad character.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
jesus, there's a bat woman?

She's a lesbian.

I attended the DC panel on Saturday and was sitting two-three rows when they announce the new league. I was thrill to hear that this league was going to be more about catching criminals than solving global threats. But I was just completely turn off when they announce Bat-woman in the team.

Hal is most likely to be team leader. About time...

Originally posted by Aztec123
I have nothing against Vixen or Black Lightning, but I can't stand John. He is far to arrogant and nunworthy to be a GL. I want to see more interaction between Superman, Wonder Woman and Hal, because in my opionion, Hal should be part of the Holy Trinity. Batman is too overrated, they need to bring him down and give Hal a try.

Hal can't be part of the Holy Trinity. Then it would be a...foursome.

The classic Holy Trinity of the JLA - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman - is just like Marvel's classic Holy Trinity for the Avengers - Captain America, Thor & Iron Man.

And why should Hal, the Guardian of this sector of space, be so concerned with catching lower-fish criminals? That's beneath his mandate.

Batman is overrated? Better not say that too loudly...

Originally posted by Aztec123
I have nothing against Vixen or Black Lightning, but I can't stand John. He is far to arrogant and nunworthy to be a GL. I want to see more interaction between Superman, Wonder Woman and Hal, because in my opionion, Hal should be part of the Holy Trinity. Batman is too overrated, they need to bring him down and give Hal a try. Anyways if they write a new Justice league, you can't forget Flash. As for the other members, I would like to see Supergirl and Dr. Fate.

or if not have remake the justice league as a whole and include the following members as the core.

Superman, WonderWoman, Hal Jordan, Dr. Fate (kent), Zatanna, Vixen, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Flash and Batman (reserve) and or Hawkman (Carter Hall)

p.s. I can wait for Red Tornado, he is finally going to get an upgrade, it is about time.

Originally posted by Soljer
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I'm sure many of you have already seen this, but oh well.



Hal Jordan leading a Justice League? Hell yeah.

Hal Jordan being the leader of a second-string Justice League? Demoted to the likes of Supergirl and Batwoman?

What?!


This sounds interesting. I hope the artwork and storytelling are good.

Ahh.. they put an Ape on the team.
I'm suddenly scary close to dropping this book, and I haven't even collected an issue, but it's got so much going for it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sounds interesting but Juntai is right... Batwoman needs to go...or better yet erased from DC history.

Batwoman's entire point was to create controversy because of her sexuality. Of course she still hasn't done ANYTHING since play a small role in 52.

Yeah she's a token character.

oh my god

oh my god

I was already pretty excited about this book, mostly as a big fan of Robinson's work in "Starman," and as a fan of Green Lantern, particularly Hal, and a big fan of Green Arrow.

They put Congorrilla on the team. Let that sink in. Congo-freaking-rilla.

Not only am I going to buy this book, I'm going to buy enough copies that I'll build a small house to live out of. YES!

Not a league without Jonn

Still the reason i refuse to buy curent JLA.

John will surely enter in the JSA next, he is a fossil.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Not a league without Jonn

Still the reason i refuse to buy curent JLA.
One of the best JLA runs of all time didn't have Manhunter either.

Besides, it's easy as hell not to read the current book since its a piece of crap.

Originally posted by roughrider
Hal can't be part of the Holy Trinity. Then it would be a...foursome.

The classic Holy Trinity of the JLA - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman - is just like Marvel's classic Holy Trinity for the Avengers - Captain America, Thor & Iron Man.

And why should Hal, the Guardian of this sector of space, be so concerned with catching lower-fish criminals? That's beneath his mandate.

Batman is overrated? Better not say that too loudly...

My english is bad, what I meant to say is that i would like to see more interaction between Hal, Clark and Diana. T
They should take on powerful villians and beat them up, such as black adam, bizarro and sinestro. I want to see them throw down and come out with bruses. The reason why i mention this is because, when i was younger i use to watch the superfriends and immediately respected them. I guess you can say i'm too excited that the three of them are working together, since back in the day.

I actually like batman, he use to be my favorite character. But as i grew older i can characterize myself with clark. Especially in the episode"for the man who has everything" jlu cartoon. That's around the time when i started reading comics. Anyways Batman is overrated, and its true. But that's just me

The series has officially concluded.

I didn't care for the final issue at all, but all in all I though it was VERY good as a whole.

Originally posted by Galan007
The series has officially concluded.

I didn't care for the final issue at all, but all in all I though it was VERY good as a whole.

You talking about Meltzer/McDuffie/Robinson's JLA?

Yeah. This was the only JLA-exclusive thread I could find, so I decided to post in it regardless.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah. This was the only JLA-exclusive thread I could find, so I decided to post in it regardless.

I'm just amazed at what you said is all... You really liked McDuffie's arc?

McDuffie's run on JLA went from issues 13-34 before he got fired, right? If so, I did enjoy most (not all) of those stories.

...But regardless of your thoughts on McDuffie, I'm sure you'd agree that JLA was an excellent series as a whole, no?

Originally posted by Galan007
McDuffie's run on JLA went from issues 13-34 before he got fired, right? If so, I did enjoy most (not all) of those stories.

...But regardless of your thoughts on McDuffie, I'm sure you'd agree that JLA was an excellent series as a whole, no?

I was actually kind of unimpressed by the whole thing, tbh. Meltzer was good I thought, as slow as he might have seemed. The less said about McDuffie's arc (which i did read), the better. Robinson's was touch and go for me (though admittedly I didn't read all of it), and the massive roster change really put me off.

So no, in short, I wasn't a huge fan. Maybe I'm in the minority, I dunno.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying about the 'inconsistent' rosters/storylines. Makes sense.

Personally I enjoyed it on average- that is to say, it was one of the few titles I looked forward to each month from DC.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I understand what you're saying about the 'inconsistent' rosters/storylines. Makes sense.

Personally I enjoyed it on average- that is to say, it was one of the few titles I looked forward to each month from DC.

I really liked Meltzer's run, but after that, I'd let myself hope it was going to get better every month, only to end up disappointed bar the odd one-off issue. Even Ed Benes just didn't seem up for it after a while. And some of the characterisation was horrible at times, I thought.

Still not sure if Johns is gonna do this right or use it as a Hal and Barry vehicle.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Still not sure if Johns is gonna do this right or use it as a Hal and Barry vehicle. C'mon, man. You've been around long enough to know that one way or another, that's EXACTLY what John's is going to do. g007-psyduck

Originally posted by Galan007
C'mon, man. You've been around long enough to know that one way or another, that's EXACTLY what John's is going to do. g007-psyduck

This is exactly what I meant about getting my hopes up...

^ Hehe.

A good 'for instance' of what Johns' has warped one of his favorite characters into can be seen just by looking at Professor Zoom. He started as a fairly minor Flash rogue, but has since been transmuted by Johns into an almost abstractual negative speed force entity/time anomaly, of whom will be responsible for retconning all of DC into "The New 52".

Christ. facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Hehe.

A good 'for instance' of what Johns' has warped one of his favorite characters into can be seen just by looking at Professor Zoom. He started as a fairly minor Flash rogue, but has since been transmuted by Johns into an almost abstractual negative speed force entity/time anomaly, of whom will be responsible for retconning all of DC into "The New 52".

Christ. facepalm

Is it any wonder I didn't read all of that mini...

I still give Johns props as i really like how he writes Hal most of the time, but outside of that...