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Symmetric Chaos




vs

SmurphSmash! (Zeitgeist)




Area

Prep:

Bats put together psi-blockers for Pete and himself. Sure Smurph didn't buy mind control but it never hurts to protect one's self.

Meanwhile Pete will be constructing this:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/KniteSuit.jpg

It's a lead lined suit that protects his Kryptonian from any foolish attempts at using K-nite. Bat's made it originally so the specs exist in the cave. Perfectly aimed HV spot welding should make it easy to build in a couple minutes.

Once it's on Pete will raise Flash's speed suit around it for a bit of added durability.

Match:

Batman will go after all Smurph's corporeal guys. None of the have nearly the competence to fight him.
MrI gets tossed into a volcano. He can't die but he won't be getting out either.
DeadGirl gets locked inside foam.
Mystique gets KTFO.
Loa gets taken down by sonics.

All of those Can be done with stuff Bats keeps in his utility belt.


Next I destroy you incorporeal guys. I'm going to do this:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashBrainScramble.jpg

Or this:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/SuperHypno.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/SuperHypno2.jpg

You might not like it but that ability is still in Superman's powerset. I can just lock them in mental combat then use Karnak's skill and Flash's extremely fast thoughts to win easily.

Of course taking out Smurph's incorporeal guys will be done within moments thanks to Flash's speed.


I like simple plans.

In prep:

Drtzky is going to originate in Mr. I's head, and create a GL forcefield around his body.

Shadow King will possess Loa.

Immediately before the start of the battle, Mystique, Dead Girl and Loa will all go intangible.


In Battle:

Deadman will possess anybody he comes in contact with.

Shadow King will mentally attack the enemy, and use Loa as bait... if anyone tries to strike her, they're fried. Sym's team has knowledge of opposition, but the option is still open to them to kill themselves. We don't mind.

Drtzky will play defense unless Mr. I gets close enough so that the GL can quickly hop into one of their heads, fry their mind, and go back to him. Otherwise, if Drtzky needs to protect somebody, he will. Mr. I will always comply.

Doorman will hang around. They have no possible means to locate or hurt him.

If any of my guys need to perform an intangible kamikaze (phase in to opponent, unphase), they will.

Sym's team is great on the physical level. And they can't harm any of my guys... they can only even touch one of them.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
In prep:

Drtzky is going to originate in Mr. I's head, and create a GL forcefield around his body.

Show me a scan of Drtzky making a force field please

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Immediately before the start of the battle, Mystique, Dead Girl and Loa will all go intangible.

A couple more brains to fry. Oh well.

Besides DeadGirl can still go down to a wide blast of HV.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Deadman will possess anybody he comes in contact with.

He won't come in contact with anyone but Batman. Even if he tried that it would be mind control and thus banned.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Shadow King will mentally attack the enemy, and use Loa as bait... if anyone tries to strike her, they're fried. Sym's team has knowledge of opposition, but the option is still open to them to kill themselves. We don't mind.

Drtzky will play defense unless Mr. I gets close enough so that the GL can quickly hop into one of their heads, fry their mind, and go back to him. Otherwise, if Drtzky needs to protect somebody, he will. Mr. I will always comply.

Between Superman's senses and Karnak's tactical ability the presence of both possessing forces will instantly be clear. Then I go for the brain fry. With the sonics in Batman's belt I could also just leave the possessed so sick that it KOs them and the people in the.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
If any of my guys need to perform an intangible kamikaze (phase in to opponent, unphase), they will.

Pete can go intangible instantly. Superman's sense will tell him the moment one of your phasers tries that. Pete moves to the side, bops him/her on the head. Down for the count.

So, in one hour, in a semi-standard lab without any of his uber items, and without any way to relay plans effectively to his teammate, Batman's supposed to build two mind blockers effective enough to block out a mind erasing green lantern math equation, a incorporeal being with telepathy on the level of Prof. X, and Deadman... whose possession isn't even mind control, but is strangely being categorized there anyways.

Did I get all that?

This is WITHOUT any effective knowledges of their weaknesses, how their powers work or what needs exactly to be blocked.

mmm

In addition. Bruce is probably the richest man in the entire DC Earth, owns multiple companies, and immeasurable amounts of resources, safe houses and back up locales. In addition to what he has stored up at the watchtower, etc.

Just assuming that ANYTHING is definitely in the Batcave (which is not that large...) is taking quite a leap of faith. So this suit is not necessarily, not even probably, easily at hand. What if it's even stored in a separate part of the mansion? In the watchtower? In a secretive place even Superman doesn't know about where he stores his JLA-related devices?

It's the goddamn Batman. Leaps of faith are fatal.

About how he plans to deal with the phasers.... the ONLY ones that those would have a hope of working on are Loa, Mystique and Deadgirl.

Doorman is essentially on a different plane of existence.

As is the Shadow King.

Deadman can't be affected, by any attack not mystical or supernatural in nature.

Drtzky is a math equation... brain surgery on a math equation?


And as for the ones who COULD be affected by this?

It doesn't matter. It's power negation. Which wasn't paid for.

Evangel stated at the beginning of the tournament that Flash was lower because he didn't have access to some of the more clever applications of his power because they would need to be bought.

And.... they weren't.

You have nothing more than a scarlet speedster... meh.

Also, fast as they might be, I'd like to see proof that Flash could attempt to perform brain surgery while moving as fast as he is. Superman doesn't use his more exotic powers at those speeds. Flash has never used Supes powers. Hell, they might even have to slow to a halt to accomplish anything in their plan.

In which case, Deadman, Drtzky, Shadow King, Loa and others can all kill them, possess them, mindrape them, etc.

And even if there was a plausible point in Sym's plan?

He can still do nothing to Deadman, Mr. I, Drtzky, Doorman, etc. who win the battle of attrition.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
So, in one hour, in a semi-standard lab without any of his uber items, and without any way to relay plans effectively to his teammate, Batman's supposed to build two mind blockers effective enough to block out a mind erasing green lantern math equation, a incorporeal being with telepathy on the level of Prof. X, and Deadman... whose possession isn't even mind control, but is strangely being categorized there anyways.

Actually he's in the Batcave for prep

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Just assuming that ANYTHING is definitely in the Batcave (which is not that large...) is taking quite a leap of faith. So this suit is not necessarily, not even probably, easily at hand. What if it's even stored in a separate part of the mansion? In the watchtower? In a secretive place even Superman doesn't know about where he stores his JLA-related devices?

It's made of a few pounds of lead

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Doorman is essentially on a different plane of existence.

Yet you got him for 2 points. I'd like a ruling on how exactly that worked.

Besides Flash can vibrate himself to tune in with other dimensions.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Deadman can't be affected, by any attack not mystical or supernatural in nature.

You don't call screwing with someone brain circuitry by accelerating certain parts of it via supernatural?

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Drtzky is a math equation... brain surgery on a math equation?

It has a physical presence. Prove that it is immune to my brain fry (which can be done by accelerating any little piece of the structure I wish, it doesn't have to be cells. Flash has shuffled the electrons in an enemy's brain to KO him)


Originally posted by Zeitgeist
It doesn't matter. It's power negation. Which wasn't paid for.

I've negated nothing.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Evangel stated at the beginning of the tournament that Flash was lower because he didn't have access to some of the more clever applications of his power because they would need to be bought.

Speed steal and IMP. I'm not using either of those. I confirmed with Evangel that speed lending is still usable.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Also, fast as they might be, I'd like to see proof that Flash could attempt to perform brain surgery while moving as fast as he is. Superman doesn't use his more exotic powers at those speeds. Flash has never used Supes powers. Hell, they might even have to slow to a halt to accomplish anything in their plan.

Slow for a fraction of an instant. Brain fry and leave. Nothing could be so simple. Flash isn't using Superman's power, Karnak is. Besides "all amalgams have full knowledge of how to use their powers." Pete will have no difficulty using these powers in the ways I describe.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
He can still do nothing to Deadman, Mr. I, Drtzky, Doorman, etc. who win the battle of attrition.

Deadman will be a twitching mess. MrI will just as screwed up. Doorman will be unconcious in his alternate plane. Drtzky will be shattered after Pete accelerates part of his fractal mind so much that it just pops.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Show me a scan of Drtzky making a force field please The noob GL's have been stated to be capable of closing a black hole.

Drtzky literally equates to willpower, and is sentient.

If you really want to argue that he's incapable of making a shield, go ahead. It's clearly completely futile... "Show me generic GL #224 being capable of flight! Clearly he could have access to the GL power while not being able to accomplish more than your run of the mill brick!"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A couple more brains to fry. Oh well.

Besides DeadGirl can still go down to a wide blast of HV. Mystique is immune to brain attacks because her brain is always in flux.

Dead Girl has no nerves to attack...

No proof that it could work on Loa. Maybe the signal gets dissipated when it reaches her?

Just thoughts I had since my last post.

Not to mention it can't work on any of the rest of my guys, and it's illegal.

Ho hum.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He won't come in contact with anyone but Batman. Even if he tried that it would be mind control and thus banned. Unless your guy either becomes exhausted (he will before we will), or stops to try one of your ridiculous maneuvers.

And it's actually not mind control. Shadow King couldn't possess an antagonist, sure, but Deadman control's everything BUT the mind, which is shunted out. So completely the opposite of mind control.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Between Superman's senses and Karnak's tactical ability the presence of both possessing forces will instantly be clear. Then I go for the brain fry. With the sonics in Batman's belt I could also just leave the possessed so sick that it KOs them and the people in the. Brain fry Deadman, who doesn't have a brain? Go for it.

Brain fry Shadow King? Flash would need to be able to access the astral plane...

Brain fry Drtzky? He's a ****ing math equation.

Also, out of curiosity, how is Superman supposed to sense something intangible? I've never seen him sense J'onn when he's intangible...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pete can go intangible instantly. Superman's sense will tell him the moment one of your phasers tries that. Pete moves to the side, bops him/her on the head. Down for the count. As soon as they go tangible (for people like Loa, an instantaneous process), they're done and merged.

Though, notable in Loa's case, they're just cut up into tiny little pieces.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
The noob GL's have been stated to be capable of closing a black hole.

Drtzky literally equates to willpower, and is sentient.

If you really want to argue that he's incapable of making a shield, go ahead. It's clearly completely futile... "Show me generic GL #224 being capable of flight! Clearly he could have access to the GL power while not being able to accomplish more than your run of the mill brick!"

But he's nothing like a normal GL. Why would a math equation have use for (or concept of a forcefield). I'm just asking for a feat that shows some basic competence.

I mean it's not like you drafted a guy with no feats in hope that an extremely brief description would give just enough information for you to make the judges think that he was capable of whatever you claimed or something.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Mystique is immune to brain attacks because her brain is always in flux.

Then I keep finding it. That or Pete vibrates to match her intangibility and hits her.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Dead Girl has no nerves to attack...

But she has thoughts which must take the form of energy. Microvision + Xray vision + speed lend to the data = massive sensory overload.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
No proof that it could work on Loa. Maybe the signal gets dissipated when it reaches her?

Can't imagine why you would make a claim like that.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Not to mention it can't work on any of the rest of my guys, and it's illegal.

No it's not

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Unless your guy either becomes exhausted (he will before we will), or stops to try one of your ridiculous maneuvers.

Speedforce makes it so Wally doesn't expend excessive energy using his powers. Same applies to Pete.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
And it's actually not mind control. Shadow King couldn't possess an antagonist, sure, but Deadman control's everything BUT the mind, which is shunted out. So completely the opposite of mind control.

Terribly exploitative attempt to get around the rules.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Brain fry Deadman, who doesn't have a brain? Go for it.

But he has to think. Overload --> Brain fried

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Brain fry Shadow King? Flash would need to be able to access the astral plane...

T-vo gets me right inside his head. That or you lose SK because he never entered the battle field.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Brain fry Drtzky? He's a ****ing math equation.

Pick a piece of him. Make it faster until it does match up. Drtzky falls apart.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Also, out of curiosity, how is Superman supposed to sense something intangible? I've never seen him sense J'onn when he's intangible...

Different forms of intangibility. Yours will probably leave a trace for Superman to pick up.

Then I do this:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/4471/avengersv1ann1229yq3.jpg

. . . a few thousand times if need be.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually he's in the Batcave for prep A lessened Batcave, with no proof of what exists there.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's made of a few pounds of lead Clearly not the case, but, go for it. I don't have kryptonite anyways.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yet you got him for 2 points. I'd like a ruling on how exactly that worked. His powers are completely innoffensive. And there are plenty of people who could affect him, either supernaturally or otherwise. Hell, two people on my team alone can just punch him. Yours, however, falls short. Having unlucky drafts is not reason for a ban.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Besides Flash can vibrate himself to tune in with other dimensions. All that you know is that you can't detect or harm him without switching dimensions. And it's not even technically another dimension, he's just a spirit of death.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You don't call screwing with someone brain circuitry by accelerating certain parts of it via supernatural? ...

Not in the mystical sense, no.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It has a physical presence. Prove that it is immune to my brain fry (which can be done by accelerating any little piece of the structure I wish, it doesn't have to be cells. Flash has shuffled the electrons in an enemy's brain to KO him) Prove that it has a physical presence at all, then prove that your attack could work on a character like mine.

It's not up to me to prove a negative. Burden of proof is upon you.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've negated nothing.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashBrainScramble.jpg

"I've located Stinton's power. Those cells will stay out of phase, rendering Stinton harmless".

It doesn't need to explicitly state power negation to obviously be power negation.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Speed steal and IMP. I'm not using either of those. I confirmed with Evangel that speed lending is still usable. Flash can also time manip. You're not doing that.

He has a death touch OHKO. You're not doing that.

He can negate powers. You're trying to do that.

He has devastating attacks, which also need to be bought.

This list goes on and on... you would need to buy more than IMP and Speed Steal to get all of Flash's possible applications of power. This is just another example.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Slow for a fraction of an instant. Brain fry and leave. Nothing could be so simple. Flash isn't using Superman's power, Karnak is. Besides "all amalgams have full knowledge of how to use their powers." Pete will have no difficulty using these powers in the ways I describe. Full knowledge is wonderful. None of your characters could perform this at high speeds, and certainly not grouped with each other.

Hell, this isn't even in character for any of them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Deadman will be a twitching mess. MrI will just as screwed up. Doorman will be unconcious in his alternate plane. Drtzky will be shattered after Pete accelerates part of his fractal mind so much that it just pops. Deadman doesn't have cells to speed up. Mr. I would recover from anything you throw at him extremely fast. Doorman is unlocateable. Drtzky doesn't have cells to speed up.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But he's nothing like a normal GL. Why would a math equation have use for (or concept of a forcefield). I'm just asking for a feat that shows some basic competence.

I mean it's not like you drafted a guy with no feats in hope that an extremely brief description would give just enough information for you to make the judges think that he was capable of whatever you claimed or something. Mr. I, who is rapidly communicating thoughts with him, has much more than a concept of a simple forcefield. And, being a GL, Drtzky has plenty of concept of safety of fragile bodies and how to hurt them as well (notable for being adept at erasing their minds, for instance).

See: Last fake quote. I'm not claiming anything remotely extraordinary. This defense is laughable at best.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then I keep finding it. That or Pete vibrates to match her intangibility and hits her. There's nothing to find, as it never settles. Xavier's said telepaths have no hope of reaching her because, as a shapeshifter, it can't be read. It's in flux.

And she can be invisible and hidden in a wall if she pleases. You're going to be dealing with Shadow King and Drtzky attacking your mind, Deadman attacking your body and be trying to rapidly perform brain surgery, keep moving and be locating all of my characters (somehow), while rapidly switching dimensions, and attacking Mr. I and avoiding Loa... before you even think of Mystique, your mind will be raped.


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But she has thoughts which must take the form of energy. Microvision + Xray vision + speed lend to the data = massive sensory overload.Her brain is sludge. They've never explained how her powers work, only that she is completely dead and still moving.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Can't imagine why you would make a claim like that. Because matter breaks apart upon reaching her?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No it's not Nice dodge.

And of course it is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Speedforce makes it so Wally doesn't expend excessive energy using his powers. Same applies to Pete. You don't need to spend excessive energy. You'll still expend energy, and still collapse and be taken out before half my guys.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Terribly exploitative attempt to get around the rules. Says the guy trying to negate powers by shutting off the cells that operate them... ermm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But he has to think. Overload --> Brain fried Deadman, much like every other character of my team, and 99% of characters in comics, break many, many laws of physics.

It just so happens that my team is particularly bad for this, and all have completely reasonable reasons why your simplistic plan would fall short.

It's why I drafted them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
T-vo gets me right inside his head. That or you lose SK because he never entered the battle field. He's inside one of my character's heads. His body isn't. But he's most certainly in the battlefield.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pick a piece of him. Make it faster until it does match up. Drtzky falls apart. Proof that you can touch him?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Different forms of intangibility. Yours will probably leave a trace for Superman to pick up. I have 7 different forms of intangibility on this team. You'll have to be specific.

Which is hard, because maybe one of them would even apply to this argument, which doesn't make much sense anyways.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then I do this:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/4471/avengersv1ann1229yq3.jpg

. . . a few thousand times if need be. While being mindraped, possessed and molecularly destructed, you'll do this?

You'd think of this then, despite it not being in character for two thirds of your amalgam?

And anyways, it would only work on perhaps one person.

Good match. Game over.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Prove that it has a physical presence at all, then prove that your attack could work on a character like mine.

It enters things. It must exist in some physical form.

It's not up to me to prove a negative. Burden of proof is upon you.


Originally posted by Zeitgeist
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashBrainScramble.jpg

"I've located Stinton's power. Those cells will stay out of phase, rendering Stinton harmless".

It doesn't need to explicitly state power negation to obviously be power negation.

It the effect also kept him unconscious. That's what I'm going for, no attempt to negate powers is being used.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Full knowledge is wonderful. None of your characters could perform this at high speeds, and certainly not grouped with each other.

Hell, this isn't even in character for any of them.

I think you've seriously misunderstood the idea of making an amalgam. How is it not in character for Karnak's mind to press the advantage?

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Deadman doesn't have cells to speed up. Mr. I would recover from anything you throw at him extremely fast. Doorman is unlocateable. Drtzky doesn't have cells to speed up.

I've already explain that I don't need to go after just cells. I can accelerate the impulses that allow them to think and overload their systems.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Mr. I, who is rapidly communicating thoughts with him, has much more than a concept of a simple forcefield. And, being a GL, Drtzky has plenty of concept of safety of fragile bodies and how to hurt them as well (notable for being adept at erasing their minds, for instance).

See: Last fake quote. I'm not claiming anything remotely extraordinary. This defense is laughable at best.

There's nothing to find, as it never settles. Xavier's said telepaths have no hope of reaching her because, as a shapeshifter, it can't be read. It's in flux.

And she can be invisible and hidden in a wall if she pleases. You're going to be dealing with Shadow King and Drtzky attacking your mind, Deadman attacking your body and be trying to rapidly perform brain surgery, keep moving and be locating all of my characters (somehow), while rapidly switching dimensions, and attacking Mr. I and avoiding Loa... before you even think of Mystique, your mind will be raped.


Her brain is sludge. They've never explained how her powers work, only that she is completely dead and still moving.

Because matter breaks apart upon reaching her?

Nice dodge.

And of course it is.

You don't need to spend excessive energy. You'll still expend energy, and still collapse and be taken out before half my guys.

Says the guy trying to negate powers by shutting off the cells that operate them... ermm

Deadman, much like every other character of my team, and 99% of characters in comics, break many, many laws of physics.

It just so happens that my team is particularly bad for this, and all have completely reasonable reasons why your simplistic plan would fall short.

It's why I drafted them.

He's inside one of my character's heads. His body isn't. But he's most certainly in the battlefield.

Proof that you can touch him?

I have 7 different forms of intangibility on this team. You'll have to be specific.

Which is hard, because maybe one of them would even apply to this argument, which doesn't make much sense anyways.

While being mindraped, possessed and molecularly destructed, you'll do this?

You'd think of this then, despite it not being in character for two thirds of your amalgam?

And anyways, it would only work on perhaps one person.

Good match. Game over.

OK I get your plan.

It's obscenely stupid to try and argue against people without explained powers or any existing feats. I'm not going to waste time trying.

G'night.

Vote: SC

Both plans were helluva uninspiring, SC's slightly less so.

huh?^

A little courtesy would have been nice to see... ermm

Originally posted by King Kandy
Vote: SC

Both plans were helluva uninspiring, SC's slightly less so. you're not allowed to vote yet

this match seems kinda tough to judge because both contestants are arguing point by point against each other, but there are very few scans or evidence to allow judges to determine who is on the right and who is blowing hot air. Just a random comment.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you're not allowed to vote yet
Nah Evangel said I could vote early because my schedule didn't match up with the voting at any point of the day.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nah Evangel said I could vote early because my schedule didn't match up with the voting at any point of the day.

King Kandy is allowed to express his early vote, because as a participant he is required to vote, and this is the only time in the entire day King Kandy supposedly can vote.

However, this only applies to King Kandy. This does not apply to anyone else (especially non-participants) as they must wait until the debate period is over to vote. However, King Kandy's vote will not go into effect until the debate period is over.

The debate period was reduced from 12 to 10 hours from the start of the match.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
this match seems kinda tough to judge because both contestants are arguing point by point against each other, but there are very few scans or evidence to allow judges to determine who is on the right and who is blowing hot air. Just a random comment.

Smurph has nothing but hot air. He has deliberately chosen characters with few or no feats. The bio he provided on the GL (one paragraph) is the totality of its appearances.



I'll sum up my plan one last time. I will use T-Vo and Flash's ability to lend speed to parts of people's brains (here's a better example):
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Because of Karnak's ability to find weakness and Flash's hyperfast thoughts T-Vo fights will inevitably end with Pete winning. Smurph has yet to explain how his characters will not be KO'd by a brain fry or T-Vo.

If Mystique manages to avoid mental attacks Flash's vibration abilitys + Karnak's ability to strike the intangible mean I will eventually hit her. The same goes for characters like DeadGirl.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It enters things. It must exist in some physical form.

It's not up to me to prove a negative. Burden of proof is upon you. Again, laws of physics do not bind my characters, or most comic characters.... "if, then" statements rarely apply.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It the effect also kept him unconscious. That's what I'm going for, no attempt to negate powers is being used. It states that they accelerated the cells leading to his powers so that he would be powerless.

Side effects do not justify the overall method.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've already explain that I don't need to go after just cells. I can accelerate the impulses that allow them to think and overload their systems. But you haven't explained how you're going to do this to all of the characters on my team....

Not very well anyways.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Again, laws of physics do not bind my characters, or most comic characters.... "if, then" statements rarely apply.

Then give positive proof of this math equation doing anything. I'm not going to assume it can do anything without some sort of basic evidence. After all it's just a math equation, it could just wander away from the other team members because it doesn't care.

You know nothing about its personality. You know nothing about its power level. You know nothing about if it is physical or not.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
It states that they accelerated the cells leading to his powers so that he would be powerless.

Side effects do not justify the overall method.

Better example:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'll sum up my plan one last time. I will use T-Vo and Flash's ability to lend speed to parts of people's brains (here's a better example):
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Because of Karnak's ability to find weakness and Flash's hyperfast thoughts T-Vo fights will inevitably end with Pete winning. Smurph has yet to explain how his characters will not be KO'd by a brain fry or T-Vo.

If Mystique manages to avoid mental attacks Flash's vibration abilitys + Karnak's ability to strike the intangible mean I will eventually hit her. The same goes for characters like DeadGirl. You have to cover 7 different types of intangibility, 6 different body types, 3-4 different dimensions, etc, etc.

And you came up with "a simple plan".

HA.

Added on to this, you didn't know half my characters.

You didn't know that Dead Girl could phase.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/Dead%20Girl/X-Statix12-00.jpg

You didn't know that Mystique could phase.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6897058

You didn't know Loa's powerset.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Loapower.jpg

You didn't have plausible, proven plans for Doorman, Drtzky, Shadow King or Deadman.

Hell, you didn't even have a plan for Doorman...

Andd then, to cover everything you realized you didn't know, you attempted to cover by applying laws of physics to ghosts, zombies and astral beings. To spirits of death, and sentient math equations.

You attempted to apply your "simple plan".

It, obviously, failed.

Voting for SmurphSmash. His plan is alot more feasable. And doesn't involve the mistakes of the past. Namely attacking something that doesn't exist.

Just some thoughts so far:

I'm not really seeing how Smurph's team is beating Sym's. It seems like he is arguing the basis of how Sym's team won't be able to attack, but I haven't seen much argument for the offense of Smurph's team.

To me, Sym's team seems very meat and potatoes (but effective)...he's got someone who can hit intangible beings (Karnak), coupled with Superman's versatility, and the most important being Flash's speed imo. And bats for the prep with the psiblockers. So my question to Smurph is, how you plan to defeat Sym with a bunch of lowlevel intangibles(no need to type an explanation if you have already done so, just point to the post)...the fact that your characters are on different planes may support Sym having a hard time killing you, but then its a stalemate more than a victory for your team.

Couple questions:

Can Superman engage multiple people in T-Vo at the same time?

And Drtzki (sic) has to have a physical form or else he can't affect reality in the first place. Abstract nothingness can't affect the physical world. So I'm really just looking for clarification on exactly what he is, and how he'll be able to do what smurph says.

yeah, where is the ring go on a math equation?

Offense is the key here. Being defensive doesn't win battles. At some point, you have to switch to offense.

Voting for SC

Smurph really doesn't have a way to counter SC's massive speed advantege added on to the fact that SC can use Karnak's ability to hit phased people.

T-Vo mention is really a huge turn off in an in-character/non CBR battle even more then implying a rookie GL can easily close black holes based on one panel that's contradicted by multiple other panels and really isn't consistent with the way Lanterns are written today or indicative of battle prowess, but T-Vo is still so unbelievably lame and brings back horrible memories of circa OW@W Superman debates. But I'll go with Sym, the whole win through outlasting is pretty shaky and barring T-Vo, I liked what Sym was saying.

Well, hopefully my questions get answered at some point, but in the meantime I'll vote on what I can understand.

It's not that I disregard Dsyatk (sic). It's just that I can only assume baseline GL stuff with him...nothing beyond energy blasts and defense. He has to have a physical form, equation or not, or he wouldn't actually exist except as a powerless abstract concept. I think Smurph tried to, say, draft the set of imaginary numbers (not imaginary in a real-world sense, but as a mathematical definition) and then said "Ha! Attack this!" It doesn't really work like that.

On the other side, Sym didn't really provide proper justification for some of his prep, and while T-Vo may not be Kal's first option, I can accept it as part of his power set based on the fact that each participant is fighting for their dreams and loved ones. And at the end of the day, he has Superman with Flash speed, the ability to affect intangible substances, and weakness-detection.

Voting Sym.

I cannot really vote for anyone on battle prowess since I don't believe one can ko the other. But this will go to SC in that case since T-vo is at least a chance to take them down, while Smurph has... Nothing. Can Drzzzl somehow take down the opponents? He seems to be the only one capable of hurting Supes.

Until new posts I vote for SC.

Voting for Sym, reasons posted above in earlier post.

Voting for this match will end at 7:30PM Central Standard Time.

Kay... I understand people's woes so far. If I have time later, I'll answer them...

Two hours twenty six minutes left.

I'll try to remember to vote in about two hours and twenty four.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
So my question to Smurph is, how you plan to defeat Sym with a bunch of lowlevel intangibles(no need to type an explanation if you have already done so, just point to the post)...the fact that your characters are on different planes may support Sym having a hard time killing you, but then its a stalemate more than a victory for your team. Don't be silly. There are no stalemates in this.

I have multiple ways to defeat Sym... and even if none of them worked, I still can easily just outlast them. Apparently this is what everybody is wondering, so I'll lay it out:

Shadow King and Drtzky can be attacking Pete's mind the entire time. It took Maxwell Lord, a clearly inferior telepath, some time to take control of Superman... but we have no intention of taking control. Shadow King is one of the most powerful telepaths in Marvel.

Sym has already avoided countering the point that there is no plausible way for him to even attempt constructing TP blockers, much less one effective enough to matter.

So the entire time that Sym seems to think he'll be doing a number of complicated procedures, he'll be doing it while Shadow King is battering his mental defenses to pieces.

Simultaneously, Loa can one-shot him. Deadman CAN possess him. Drtzky can erase his mind (the major ability highlighted in his bio). Deadgirl and Mystique can both kamikaze him.

On top of these facts, I have multiple people that he can't touch. He has no proof that he can target the mental processing of Drtzky. Doorman, a spirit of death, can't be touched by Superman... it's not intangibility. There are no atoms to hit by vibrating his hand really fast (a fact that goes for Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Drtzky, and trying it on Loa would remove your hand).

He says he can target Doorman by switching between dimensions. But Doorman doesn't really exist in another dimension... he exists in ours. We just can't tell.

So when he tries to switch dimensions to target Doorman, that's self BFR.

Same goes for Shadow King.

Finally, even if you don't believe any of that (can't see why not), I can simply outlast him.

If they so choose, he can't lay a hand on Drtzky, Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Doorman, possibly even Loa.

NONE of his supposed methods of attack would work (illegal, or simply dumb), and ALL of my methods of attack have yet to be countered.

Drtzky, Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Doorman and Mr. Immortal can all simply outlast him. Mr. Immortal can't die and is supposed to live and exist to be the only thing left in the entire MU.

Deadman is a ghost, and immortal.

Shadow King can't be touched, and isn't human. No way for anybody to affect him.

Drtzky can apparently just exist as a thought inside someone's head, and nobody can hit a math equation... just can't be done.

Deadgirl is immortal, and can exist as a specter.

Doorman is a spirit of death that Superman can't affect in any way, shape or form.

It may seem odd, even improper, but it's true. I CAN NOT BE HARMED.

And my attacks HAVE NOT BEEN COUNTERED.

ALL OF HIS ATTACKS HAVE BEEN.

I'll be on if anybody has any more questions.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Can Superman engage multiple people in T-Vo at the same time?

He's done so to Lex, Lois, and Dominus all at once. Plus, I'm pretty sure the entire city of Metropolis was subjected to the effects at one point iirc.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Voting for this match will end at 7:30PM Central Standard Time.

'Kay, I really don't think their minds will sway that heavily with almost nothing new being brought to the argument at this point.

i'm voting for smurph on this one, as put simply, i just don't believe sym can do what he's saying he can do, imo...

smurph's explanations just strike me as more likely, so i vote smurph, as i've already said...

Smurph, 1 hour seems enough for batman and pete to build 2 psiblockers in a sicence lab.

I think thats the crux of why people don't see your team doing jack to Pete.

You have a hard case to prove that bats and Pete can't build 2 psiblockers in an hour in a science lab, if you do, I think you have a much stronger case for your team winning...but even then, I don't see your team counteracting or matching Pete's speed, so maybe you should address that if you could as well.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Smurph, 1 hour seems enough for batman and pete to build 2 psiblockers in a sicence lab.

I think thats the crux of why people don't see your team doing jack to Pete.

You have a hard case to prove that bats and Pete can't build 2 psiblockers in an hour in a science lab, if you do, I think you have a much stronger case for your team winning...but even then, I don't see your team counteracting or matching Pete's speed, so maybe you should address that if you could as well. Don't argue for one of the competitors.

Well I do have one other little obstace for anyone trying to get in Pete's mind:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni7.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni11.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni12.jpg


I can overload people who hack into Pete's brain by sending so many thoughts it overloads the attackers capacity.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Smurph, 1 hour seems enough for batman and pete to build 2 psiblockers in a sicence lab.

I think thats the crux of why people don't see your team doing jack to Pete.

You have a hard case to prove that bats and Pete can't build 2 psiblockers in an hour in a science lab, if you do, I think you have a much stronger case for your team winning...but even then, I don't see your team counteracting or matching Pete's speed, so maybe you should address that if you could as well. They barely have information on my team's powers. Not on the nature, level or delivery method of any mind attacks that we have. 1 hour is NOT enough for Batman to try to design and build multi-leveled psiblockers powerful enough to cut out an Xavier level telepath. On top of Drtzky, who would be impossible to prepare for, and APPARENTLY Deadman (though that is clearly possession).

Not to mention, if Batman built them, we can simply read Batman's mind to know how to get around it.

I don't know why people seem to think that Bats can build a perfect, powerful blocker (much less 2) in a single hour with less resources than usual.

Are we really going to ride on hype? Sym even mentioned that he was having trouble finding prep feats for Bruce, which was extremely surprising given how overhyped his prep abilities are.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well I do have one other little obstace for anyone trying to get in Pete's mind:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni7.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni11.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ovllotni12.jpg


I can overload people who hack into Pete's brain by sending so many thoughts it overloads the attackers capacity. Lulz... they were inside Flash's mind at the time. The "thinking faster than even you!" bit was mentioned to show that Flash could outrace the Thinker's thinking speed. Who was a computer program that could easily be overloaded.

Gorrila Grodd would laugh at this attempt at telepath-rebuttal.

And Shadow King > Grodd. By a long shot. He could just continuously hammer away at Pete's mental barrier and one-shot his mind afterwards.

I'd like to see some scans of DKRTYZY RRR doing......anything.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Lulz... they were inside Flash's mind at the time. The "thinking faster than even you!" bit was mentioned to show that Flash could outrace the Thinker's thinking speed. Who was a computer program that could easily be overloaded.

Gorrila Grodd would laugh at this attempt at telepath-rebuttal.

And Shadow King > Grodd. By a long shot. He could just continuously hammer away at Pete's mental barrier and one-shot his mind afterwards.

He didn't outrace him. Flash destroyed Thinker by overloading him. Karnak's mind will make it even easier.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I'd like to see some scans of DKRTYZY RRR doing......anything. I don't see why it's crucial.

Doorman could win this alone.

Ugh...T-Vo that's really iffy.
I'm not entirely convinced that Pete could really do anything to the many forms of intangibility Smurph has on his side with 1 hour of prep.
TP-Blockers built in one hour from scratch may not be sufficient for a telepath of Shadow Kings caliber. And have to agree with Smurph where I don't think 1 hour is enough to assemble a Psi-Blocker.
Touch Loa and they're practically dead.
I think that Smurphs write up is plausable but with or without the Psi-Blockers and T-Vo which I consider iffy, Pete is still going to be very, very difficult to take down.
Making this quite a stalemate. However If I'm going to have to choose one I'm going to say Smurph because of Doorman.

Switching my vote to Smurph. Not that he's a whole lot better than before, but without psi-protection Sym is in trouble...and he never actually showed the psi-blocker except to say he had it, so it doesn't exist imo. Hopefully I didn't miss anything, because a lot of this match I've just been trying to wrap my head aorund stuff.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
I don't see why it's crucial.

Doorman could win this alone.

Seeing DKRTYZY RRR in action would help me understand how he functions as a Green Lantern. I've only seen one scan of him being mentioned by third party, but none of him actually in action.

The parts of the psi blockers and the directions could be brought to the field for Pete to build there (no speed restriction like in prep). I don't think they need to do that though.

Well, I'm running outta time to vote, and I doubt I'll be here much longer...

So...

Smurph. Though it's almost certainly by attrition.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Seeing DKRTYZY RRR in action would help me understand how he functions as a Green Lantern. I've only seen one scan of him being mentioned by third party, but none of him actually in action. Here's what we know:

He's a sentient math equation granted GL Power to protect the weak, etc.

He's a universal policeman in the form of a math equation that equates to one of the most dangerous weapons in the universe.

That basically dictates how he would act, and even if he has a thousandth of the ability of the GL's we know by name, that would be enough to accomplish everything I've said.

Not to mention he literally equates to willpower, so, chances are, he'd have more than most GL's power.

It's something of an abstract concept, but it's certainly enough.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The parts of the psi blockers and the directions could be brought to the field for Pete to build there (no speed restriction like in prep). I don't think they need to do that though.

My issue is whether or not the psi-blocker (or the plans) exist at all. Bats has probably used a psi-blocker at some point, but I've never seen it and "I build a psi-blocker with Pete" doesn't allay my fears any. GL bubble + tp might be enough to win otherwise, though I realize that others think otherwise due to some of Flash's powers. It's a tough match to call.

More on Drtzky.

http://www.glcorps.org/dkrtzy_r.html

"Drtzky can only be percieved by the Guardians"

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:2o06laY3swIJ:www.negativespace.net/wildcat/archives/004203.html+dkrtzy+RRR&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

"Dkrtzy Rrr, on the other hand, does attend meetings. But since he is an abstract mathematical progression, only the Guardians notice his presence." (A. Moore)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My issue is whether or not the psi-blocker (or the plans) exist at all. Bats has probably used a psi-blocker at some point, but I've never seen it and "I build a psi-blocker with Pete" doesn't allay my fears any. GL bubble + tp might be enough to win otherwise, though I realize that others think otherwise due to some of Flash's powers. It's a tough match to call.

hmmm, good point, should I not assume Batman knows how to build a psi-blocker (I figured it's something pretty basic)?

If I should not assume that, then I have to rescind my vote for the time being then.

Let me see if I can come up with an analogy...

So would observing DKRTYZY be like Neo from the Matrix seeing all the green letters and code floating around on the walls, floor, and all around in the matrix? Similarly his power to mess with people's heads is similiar to that of someone in the matrix messing with the head of someone who is connected to the matrix?

I need a question answered then. If DKRTYZY doesn't have a physical body, then how would be effective in combat (other than his mindwipe ability)?

He may be able to wipe your mind, but outside of that, what can he do? Scans of obscure characters are crucial.

Just to silence the critiques (I felt it was my obligation as a Batman fanboy)...

http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxjlac45p19wg0.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxjlac45p20uw5.jpg

Batman has indeed built a psi-blocker.

Oh, and voting for Symmetric Chaos.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Let me see if I can come up with an analogy...

So would observing DKRTYZY be like Neo from the Matrix seeing all the green letters and code floating around on the walls, floor, and all around in the matrix?

I need a question answered then. If DKRTYZY doesn't have a physical body, then how would be effective in combat (other than his mindwipe ability)?

Scans of obscure characters are crucial. I'm working on it, but my guess is that that would be the case.

And he can apparently exist inside a person's mind just fine (bio says he enters them in order to wipe their minds).

This means that he could be in any of my characters, and pop inside Pete's. Or just win through attrition. Either way, Dkrtyzy solos...

Originally posted by batdude123
Just to silence the critiques (I felt it was my obligation as a Batman fanboy)...

http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxjlac45p19wg0.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=racerxjlac45p20uw5.jpg

Batman has indeed built a psi-blocker.

Oh, and voting for Symmetric Chaos.

Originally posted by batdude123
Don't argue for one side. Master Bruce already went through this...

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Let me see if I can come up with an analogy...

So would observing DKRTYZY be like Neo from the Matrix seeing all the green letters and code floating around on the walls, floor, and all around in the matrix? Similarly his power to mess with people's heads is similiar to that of someone in the matrix messing with the head of someone who is connected to the matrix?

I need a question answered then. If DKRTYZY doesn't have a physical body, then how would be effective in combat (other than his mindwipe ability)?

He may be able to wipe your mind, but outside of that, what can he do? Scans of obscure characters are crucial. On a side note, there are like two microorganisms that are GL's too... the fact that he's a freaking Green Lantern allows for battle field effect. He just can't be percieved.

Originally posted by batdude123
Fair enough. On ANOTHER side note, the device you posted wouldn't work on most of the mental attacks I was going for, and needs to be actively aimed at a person... aim a psi blocker at a astral being?

No, I'm not arguing with you, just mentioning it for potential voters. He can't aim it at Dkrytzy either.

Well, I have ANOTHER example, but I won't post it.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
On ANOTHER side note, the device you posted wouldn't work on most of the mental attacks I was going for, and needs to be actively aimed at a person... aim a psi blocker at a astral being?

No, I'm not arguing with you, just mentioning it for potential voters. He can't aim it at Dkrytzy either. that scan didn't convince me either

btw, I wasn't arguing for Sym before, merely posted some doubts I had that I felt if you cleared up would sway my opinion

Is the match over now? Or do we have time?

Voting ends at 7:30 PM Central Standard Time. There is a half hour left in this match for voting.

The match is now over I believe.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The match is now over I believe. nope, there's still over 25 minutes

Originally posted by King Kandy @ 7:02 CST
The match is now over I believe. Uh...

I made that post before I saw Evangel's.

Reading this match, I can see the sweat and blood(literally) in Sym's posts, but simply put, he can't do anything to Smurph's team, simply put, Smurph outlasts anything Sym throws at it.


Vote Smurph

Found the scan. w00t

On panel, saying that he is

a) an abstract being (immune to SC's attack on his body)
b) can't be conceptualized by anybody other than the Guardians.

EDIT: Upload problems. One sec.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2/greenlantern18818kp0.th.jpg

Match over. Tallying results...

Votes for Symmetric Chaos: 7
King Kandy
batdude123
id369
Master-Borg
Devil Lance
Papa Smurph
Bentley

Votes for SpunkySmurph: 6
Creshosk
Raoul
ExodusCloak
DigiMark007
Soljer
Fuzzy Hawkeye

I actually rescinded my vote.

What Master-Borg said...

Originally posted by Master-Borg
then I have to rescind my vote for the time being then.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I actually rescinded my vote.

I may have missed when you did that. Could you please point it out?

Originally posted by Evangel94
I may have missed when you did that. Could you please point it out? I did, right above your post.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I may have missed when you did that. Could you please point it out? 6:45 pm central

Originally posted by Master-Borg
6:45 pm central

Originally posted by Master-Borg
hmmm, good point, should I not assume Batman knows how to build a psi-blocker (I figured it's something pretty basic)?

If I should not assume that, then I have to rescind my vote for the time being then.

Just so I am clear on it, since you said "if", since your statement wasn't definite, you decided to rescind your vote because Batman can't build a psi-blocker correct?

Just to a get final confirmation, do you or do you not vote in this match?

Originally posted by Evangel94
Just I am clear on it, since you said "if", since your statement wasn't definite, you decided to rescind your vote because Batman can't build a psi-blocker correct?

Just to a get final confirmation, do you or do you not vote in this match? I do not vote (don't want to vote based on an assumption I pulled outta my ass). You're right that I left it kinda ambiguous with the "if" though, sorry about that.

So what happens now?

Still on game question: How can you KO Drzzl?

The voting period will resume at 8:00PM (10 minutes) Central Standard Time, and will last one hour. A winner will be decided then based on the vote count.

-Evangel94

Originally posted by Bentley
So what happens now?

Still on game question: How can you KO Drzzl? Off hand I can think of a number of characters capable, and, due to the format of Ev's tourney, they were all draftable.

But... nobody did (well, Evangel did for a match or two), so, here we are.

Same thing goes for Doorman (though there are a number of tourney characters capable of taking him out), and others.

Personal message me how is Drzzl supposed to be koed, I'm not a big fan of his, but assuming the ko is reasonable I may change my vote.

I am placing a freeze on all current votes. Since the match is 6 to 6 votes, I will only allow entirely new votes to be cast in the special extended period. No changes will be allowed to the current vote set.

Tournament Participants who haven't voted yet (psycho gundam, tony stark, typhus, darthgoober) should take this time to vote; as well as anyone who hasn't voted yet but has 1000 posts.

Vote for Smurph

Cause as good as Sym's team is SMurph will simply outlast him.

Since I haven't seen any votes yet, I am extending this match by one hour.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Since I haven't seen any votes yet, I am extending this match by one hour. Newjak posted...

Originally posted by Evangel94
Since I haven't seen any votes yet, I am extending this match by one hour. newjak just voted

Hmm....last minute voting we have there.... Didn't see his post when I typed my post.

Therefore, I end this match in a 6 to 7 vote in favor of SmurphSmash.

It was a very close match.

What a strange turn of events......

Votes for Symmetric Chaos: 6
King Kandy
batdude123
id369
Devil Lance
Papa Smurph
Bentley

Votes for SpunkySmurph: 7
Creshosk
Raoul
ExodusCloak
DigiMark007
Soljer
Fuzzy Hawkeye
New Jak

Symmetric Chaos goes to the Last Chance Finale round with a (0-2) record. SpunkySmurph goes to the fourth round.

Digi changed his vote? I would have sworn he voted for Sym?

Originally posted by id369
Digi changed his vote? I would have sworn he voted for Sym?

Indeed. He changed his vote.

Originally posted by id369
Digi changed his vote? I would have sworn he voted for Sym?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Switching my vote to Smurph. Not that he's a whole lot better than before, but without psi-protection Sym is in trouble...and he never actually showed the psi-blocker except to say he had it, so it doesn't exist imo. Hopefully I didn't miss anything, because a lot of this match I've just been trying to wrap my head aorund stuff.

Ah I stand corrected. Wow this was a close match, when I left I thought sym was going to win. Goes to show, nothing is written in stone.

Great match Sym and Smurph, err, Zeitgeist. That's two very close rounds in a row. The finals are going to be tight. Congratulations guys.

Wow I've had to fight tooth and nail for every little bit in this tournament. I'm pretty sure everyone else has had at least one match that was already a forgone conclusion.

*dies*

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wow I've had to fight tooth and nail for every little bit in this tournament. I'm pretty sure everyone else has had at least one match that was already a forgone conclusion.

*dies* Some of us more than one.

Err.. well kinda.

*rises from the dead*

*beats Creshosk to a pulp*

*returns to grave*

Um, You can have the pulp, I didn't want it.

I won't stand for pulp abuse or waste. Cresh and Sym are both warned! uhuh



excellent

Originally posted by Creshosk
Um, You can have the pulp, I didn't want it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wow I've had to fight tooth and nail for every little bit in this tournament. I'm pretty sure everyone else has had at least one match that was already a forgone conclusion.

*dies*

....

*reminds you that you had the first match stolen from you.*

It really shoulda been yours. *shrugs*.

Originally posted by Soljer
....

*reminds you that you had the first match stolen from you.*

It really shoulda been yours. *shrugs*.

Really

So apparently your opinion is >>>> everyone else who voted for me great good to know

Evangel really should have just ended the match after you voted since you're all knowing and stuff

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Really

So apparently your opinion is >>>> everyone else who voted for me great good to know

Evangel really should have just ended the match after you voted since you're all knowing and stuff

Glad to hear you agree.

Perhaps Evangel can take this as a forfeit on your part?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Really

So apparently your opinion is >>>> everyone else who voted for me great good to know

Evangel really should have just ended the match after you voted since you're all knowing and stuff *ignores the sarcasm and doesn't use any in the following post*

I'm glad more people are realizing Soljer's greatness.

Originally posted by Creshosk
*ignores the sarcasm and doesn't use any in the following post*

I'm glad more people are realizing Soljer's greatness.

Indeed.

Why do we even have tourneys? Let's just have Soljer decide a tourney winner every month, and forgo this entire charade?

Originally posted by Soljer
Glad to hear you agree.

Perhaps Evangel can take this as a forfeit on your part?

Sure why not

I don't have your vote so obviously even trying to win is pointless now

I mean who cares that Blair Wind and Digi voted for me in that match their opinions are obviously worthless compared to yours

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Sure why not

I don't have your vote so obviously even trying to win is pointless now

I mean who cares that Blair Wind and Digi voted for me in that match their opinions are obviously worthless compared to yours Ah, you said compared to yours. If you hadn't said that it might have been hard to make a decision.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, you said compared to yours. If you hadn't said that it might have been hard to make a decision.

uh huh

Originally posted by Devil Lance
uh huh Well Compared to soljer's opinion is different in general of their opinions not being compared to Soljer's opinion. Since you said "compared to yours{Soljer}" That makes it much easier to come to a conclusive decision on the matter.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well Compared to soljer's opinion is different in general of their opinions not being compared to Soljer's opinion. Since you said "compared to yours{Soljer}" That makes it much easier to come to a conclusive decision on the matter.

Feel kinda bad for Sym. But that's tourneys I guess.

I might have switched my vote (again) if I had seen batdude's psi-blocker scans, but it was after my switch and I never checked in again until after voting was closed.

Well, kick arse in the FFA or something, I guess.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Feel kinda bad for Sym. But that's tourneys I guess.

I might have switched my vote (again) if I had seen batdude's psi-blocker scans, but it was after my switch and I never checked in again until after voting was closed.

Well, kick arse in the FFA or something, I guess.

Looking at the 0-2 people I'm not terribly worried. Which is good because every time I've thought "gee this might be though" I lost.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, you said compared to yours. If you hadn't said that it might have been hard to make a decision.



don't explain that sh!t, cresh. loses flavor.

and i agree.

oh, and i assume it's prolly too late now, but i'd vote for sym in this one.

I would have voted for Symmetric Chaos as well, but when I last logged on he was up by a lot of votes so I thought he had it in the bag. I didn't vote because this debate was far from intriguing, with neither side inspiring me to make a judgment, (this notion especially made true after witnessing the Digimark vs darthgoober debate).

doh

So Sym lost because my debating skill is so high level???



Sorry Sym. I'll try to tone it down for next match.

Ouch.