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And not that crappy remake either.

Onslaught by a mile.
Onslaught took everybody on, from Thor on down. only got busted up (in his final form with Franklin and Nate) by mindless hulk but then required all the heroes to be truly expunged.

Hulk could have broken the world and destroyed all the heroes he faced off against but... he didn't take them all on like Onslaught did.

Onslaught made Juggernaut cry.

WWH made Sentry cry.


WWH by a long shot.

I'm going to say Onslaught based on him (at the time) whiping out most the A-list heroes which is an INSANE feat.

onslaught

Onslaught was in fact skyfather level. WWH wasn't.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Onslaught was in fact skyfather level. WWH wasn't.
not according to the narrative. Onslaught was said to be Celestial level.
and the fact that he captured Franklin suggests way more than Skyfather level powers.

Hulk has the strength and energies to hang with Skyfathers, but he lack versatility and magical powers.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I'm going to say Onslaught based on him (at the time) whiping out most the A-list heroes which is an INSANE feat.

QFTT

Onslaught definitely

Too bad, Liefeld bombed with his return

In the Negative Zone

onslaught by a fair distance...

Both took on all the heroes they faced, the dif is that Onsluaght took them all on AT ONCE. So he wins.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
WWH made Sentry cry.


WWH by a long shot.

WWH gave Sentry a massage and then Sentry took a nap.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
WWH made Sentry cry.


WWH by a long shot.

I guarantee it's harder to make Juggernaut cry than Sentry. After all, Sentry is a psychological mess.

onslaught, becuases he did it on some many different levels such as physically, mentally, emotionaly, and by trickery.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
onslaught, becuases he did it on some many different levels such as physically, mentally, emotionaly, and by trickery. what did he do emotionally?

for one he stole franklin leaving fantastic for an emontion and desperate mess.

The FF and Avengers "died" taking out Onslaught.

Go figure.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
for one he stole franklin leaving fantastic for an emontion and desperate mess. hmmm interesting point

I think this should be judged less by power of the character, but more of the lasting effect of the character's deeds, becuase getting the crap kicked out of you takes longer to heal0from than just getting you ass kicked.

No competition Onslaught FTW

O_o hulk threw Juggy into a lake or something, Onslaught ripped into him like nothing. >_>; but thats just one thing. WWH is just more recent and caused some chaos, but doesnt really match up to onslaught, what he did and what had to be done to take him down. O_o

Onslaught, no contest and the fact that he was by far and ....far more powerful being than WWH.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has the strength and energies to hang with Skyfathers, but he lack versatility and magical powers.

No he hasn't. He is so below skyfather that it isn't funny. If WWH would face all those at once Onslaught faced, WWH would be a joke and stopped very easily.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Onslaught, no contest and the fact that he was by far and ....far more powerful being than WWH.



No he hasn't. He is so below skyfather that it isn't funny. If WWH would face all those at once Onslaught faced, WWH would be a joke and stopped very easily.
you say Onslaught is "by far ... more powerful than WWH" and then refuse to acknowledge that Hulk hung in there with Onslaught, trading blows, and even ended up breaking Onslaught's armour. and this was Onslaught at his most powerful, who all the other heroes couldn't do jack to.


Hulk is clearly capable of matching that kind of power with his strength but, as I said before, he lacks in the versatility and magics that would truly elevate him to Skyfather level.


If WWH had taken on all the heroes that Onslaught did, I can't say for sure what would have resulted but one thing is certain, the Earth would have been destroyed because Hulk would have gone WorldBreaker pretty much instantly.

Originally posted by janus77
you say Onslaught is "by far ... more powerful than WWH" and then refuse to acknowledge that Hulk hung in there with Onslaught, trading blows, and even ended up breaking Onslaught's armour. and this was Onslaught at his most powerful, who all the other heroes couldn't do jack to.

Hulk was protected from Onslaughts powerful telepathic attacks when he fought Onslaught.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Hulk was protected from Onslaughts powerful telepathic attacks when he fought Onslaught.
as far as I recall Onslaught was fighting Hulk not attacking him telepathically. also, the only thing Jean Grey did was to switch off Banner.

nobody could "protect" anybody from Onslaught's TP attacks, so I'm a bit sceptical, got a scan?

Let's see, Onslaught required all the heroes to sacrifice themselves, WWH required Tony to activate his satellites.

Hmmmmmmmm.....

yes and in no way was that due to Hulk wanting to power-down, to prevent himself going beserk.

nice, incisive comment there 'grok. as usual you never fail to live up to your low standards .

if world breaker hulk didn't "surrender" he would have done much more damage than onslaught, but since that didn't happen I have to say onslaught had a bigger impact from lead up to aftermath.

technically the lead up to planet hulk/wwh has been since the day banner got hit with the gamma bomb but that shouldn't count due to fairness.

Originally posted by janus77
yes and in no way was that due to Hulk wanting to power-down, to prevent himself going beserk.

nice, incisive comment there 'grok. as usual you never fail to live up to your low standards .

Not really, the Hulk isn't in any position to calm himself down.

If he actually had control, Tony wouldn't have had to hit him with the beam. They needed him to stay still.

Originally posted by llagrok
Not really, the Hulk isn't in any position to calm himself down.

If he actually had control, Tony wouldn't have had to hit him with the beam. They needed him to stay still.
oh, and there I thought I read Hulk telling Tony to hit him with the satellites, while he stood there trying to hold his temper in check before it tipped over the abyss.

hmm so Hulk was actually just raging around and totally out of control and somehow Tony managed to tag him with the satellites?


control is not a boolean state, it's measured in degrees. Hulk still had enough control overhimself to pullback and fight the feeling whilst getting Tony to use the satellites to help out.

if you're ready for adult level logic, you might like to check the parallels between Hulk's near total loss of control with that of Strange's when he channeled Zom.

Strange too had enough control to fight against the feeling Zom excited in him (that love of power).

there are differences though, in that Hulk's power does not diminish nor go away, it's there in Banner still, while Strange lost the connection with Zom after spending the channeled power.

Originally posted by janus77
you say Onslaught is "by far ... more powerful than WWH" and then refuse to acknowledge that Hulk hung in there with Onslaught, trading blows, and even ended up breaking Onslaught's armour. and this was Onslaught at his most powerful, who all the other heroes couldn't do jack to.

Onslaught maybe used 1% of his full powers in fight with the Hulk due to that we knew what powers he had, Nate and Franklin Richards, Magneto, Xavier (so probably even 1% is too much), while Hulk used everything he had.

WWH is pretty much an insect compared to the full powers of Onslaught.
Hulk only broke his armor, man, something Onslaught actually wanted.

Onslaught should be able to blink everyone out he faced simultaneously.

He cannot match such reality warping power only with his strength. He lacks extreme power level for matching such power such being as Onslaught.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Onslaught maybe used 1% of his full powers in fight with the Hulk due to that we knew what powers he had, Nate and Franklin Richards, Magneto, Xavier (so probably even 1% is too much), while Hulk used everything he had.

WWH is pretty much an insect compared to the full powers of Onslaught.
Hulk only broke his armor, man, something Onslaught actually wanted.

Onslaught should be able to blink everyone out he faced simultaneously.

He cannot match such reality warping power only with his strength. He lacks extreme power level for matching such power such being as Onslaught.
plucking a figure out of the air just to dismiss a character isn't too wise a debate tactic .

unless you have on-panel proof, your assertion of "1% of his full powers" is totally worthless as anything other than an illustration of your bias. as such, you're welcome to think whatever you like, just don't expect it to be taken seriously.

Onslaught fought Hulk physically, Onslaught could not defeat Hulk physically, Onslaught did not just allow Hulk to attack him. everything on-panel suggests that Onslaught was intending to defeat Hulk.

the reasonable reading of why he fought that way is his arrogance, he truly believed that he could defeat Hulk physically... once he became a psi-energy form, he gloated, again proof of arrogance.

as to what "Onslaught should be able to do"... as 100% complete, unsubstantiated speculation, go at it... he was said to be around Celestial level so that's a lot to play with. but remember, it is speculation without basis in fact, in feats, in narration or even in the comments of other characters.

Originally posted by janus77
unless you have on-panel proof, your assertion of "1% of his full powers" is totally worthless as anything other than an illustration of your bias. as such, you're welcome to think whatever you like, just don't expect it to be taken seriously.

He only fought Hulk with strength, never used other powers (nor the power he used to create a sun on a whim. He didn't use any other powers). If he would want to kill the Hulk, he could have done it easily.
His power is level and far beyond the Hulk.

For that matter I guess onslaught can just create with hulk in the center. That should sting a bit.

onslaught easily

Originally posted by llagrok
Let's see, Onslaught required all the heroes to sacrifice themselves, WWH required Tony to activate his satellites.

Hmmmmmmmm.....

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Xplosive
He only fought Hulk with strength, never used other powers (nor the power he used to create a sun on a whim. He didn't use any other powers). If he would want to kill the Hulk, he could have done it easily.
His power is level and far beyond the Hulk.

Exactly. Onslaught wanted him to break his armor.

Remember when Onslaught was out of his armor? Hulk touched him and then "died"?

Yeah Onslaught is the answer to the question.