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Who's better in the long run.

In my opinion, its the Batman!!!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Who's better in the long run.

In my opinion, its the Batman!!!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Who's better in the long run.

What the hell does that mean?

better how?
who do I like? Batman, fvckin' cool!
who is the more intelligent? Batman, prolly.
who is the stronger? lol (BatKick!)


anyway, without giving some criteria for making such a judgement, I can't honestly say this will be productive.

in terms of overall effectiveness at fighting threats to humanity, Superman is hands down, far and away, the better hero.

in terms of being a role model, again, no vengeance kick, no hiding in the shadows, dubious double-identity stuff... just clean, plain and simple boyscout ethos...

Originally posted by janus77
better how?
who do I like? Batman, fvckin' cool!
who is the more intelligent? Batman, prolly.
who is the stronger? lol (BatKick!)


anyway, without giving some criteria for making such a judgement, I can't honestly say this will be productive.

in terms of overall effectiveness at fighting threats to humanity, Superman is hands down, far and away, the better hero.

in terms of being a role model, again, no vengeance kick, no hiding in the shadows, dubious double-identity stuff... just clean, plain and simple boyscout ethos...

In terms of attributes, and traits, in my opinion it's Batman, Superman never had to learn to fight strategically, he really hardly ever had to deal with mortal flaws, Batman did.

Essentially what Janus said, though I tend to like Supes more than Batman as a character. Why? Cause he's sunny.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
In terms of attributes, and traits, in my opinion it's Batman, Superman never had to learn to fight strategically, he really ever had to deal with mortal flaws, Batman did.
yes but (and I can't believe I'm arguing for Superman but), he actually deals with far more powerful temptations and pitfalls. the desire for absolute power, the addiction to public adoration and adulation, the temptation to mete out "justice" upon a particularly nasty villain... all these things he manages to resist.

Batman wanted justice, when the system failed he wanted revenge and then blunted that desire down to simply scaring and plaguing villains rather than killing them.

Batman's still not gotten over the circumstances of his creation, he is still affected by and reacting to his childhood. Superman actually has a life.

Originally posted by janus77
yes but (and I can't believe I'm arguing for Superman but), he actually deals with far more powerful temptations and pitfalls. the desire for absolute power, the addiction to public adoration and adulation, the temptation to mete out "justice" upon a particularly nasty villain... all these things he manages to resist.

Batman wanted justice, when the system failed he wanted revenge and then blunted that desire down to simply scaring and plaguing villains rather than killing them.

Batman's still not gotten over the circumstances of his creation, he is still affected by and reacting to his childhood. Superman actually has a life.

I don't think you realized it but you trolled and destroyed Batman to the tenth degree.

You =

lol

Originally posted by janus77
lol

It's not funny...

But seriously, Batman not having temptations doesn't really decrease his attributes, he has shown time and time again that he can beat the strongest super hero, with leverage and strategy formed by strong complacency, and an unbreakable will that makes power irrelevant.

batman is basically a souped-up version of Superman

Batman is cooler, Superman would stomp him if they were on a kyrptonite free planet lol.

Batman has dealt with monsters of no morality, who are truly sociopathic, yet relentless in their pursuit of making the world burn

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
It's not funny...

But seriously, Batman not having temptations doesn't really decrease his attributes, he has shown time and time again that he can beat the strongest super hero, with leverage and strategy formed by strong complacency, and an unbreakable will that makes power irrelevant.
I'm not saying that it makes his achievements any less impressive. as you say, he's done stupendous things with hard thinking and hard work. he's overcome lots of powerful villains and bested superheroes too.

but as regards "better", well, you could say that Superman's demonstrated time and again, a capacity for that "ultimate sacrifice", that given how powerful and advanced a Kryptonian is, Superman has actually had a much harder job justifying to himself his decision to defend and protect the human race. he has sacrificed more opportunities and has done all that without the stimulus of a childhood scarred forever by murder. he does it because he reasons that protecting humanity is the right thing for him to do, Batman does it because he knows what it's like to be a victim to maniacs and villains. Batman fights crime as a way of making peace with himself, it seems. Superman fights villains as a way of giving back to the world that he was brought up in, as a way of showing just how much he appreciates and cherishes the world.. it's more life affirming.

Originally posted by janus77
I'm not saying that it makes his achievements any less impressive. as you say, he's done stupendous things with hard thinking and hard work. he's overcome lots of powerful villains and bested superheroes too.

but as regards "better", well, you could say that Superman's demonstrated time and again, a capacity for that "ultimate sacrifice", that given how powerful and advanced a Kryptonian is, Superman has actually had a much harder job justifying to himself his decision to defend and protect the human race. he has sacrificed more opportunities and has done all that without the stimulus of a childhood scarred forever by murder. he does it because he reasons that protecting humanity is the right thing for him to do, Batman does it because he knows what it's like to be a victim to maniacs and villains. Batman fights crime as a way of making peace with himself, it seems. Superman fights villains as a way of giving back to the world that he was brought up in, as a way of showing just how much he appreciates and cherishes the world.. it's more life affirming.

It might be more life affirming, but the Batman is a lot tougher, he doesn't let sentiment touch him as potently, and that might be a strength.

Batman has purged his sentiment and fear with anger, and then harnessed his anger into a monster, a monster he uses to help others.

Superman will always matter more than Bats, deal with it.

Originally posted by Bentley
Superman will always matter more than Bats, deal with it.

Batman will always pwn Supes in a Gotham, deal with it.

Superman is a "better" hero, effectively, in the sense that there would be far more effect both socially and universally if he was killed of for good than if Batman was killed off for good. However, I generally think Batman is more interesting to read, and I tend to root for him more when he fights Superman (I suppose because whenever Batman has fought Superman with intention to properly harm him, it has been in Batman's own comics.)

Supes will outlive Batman AND Gotham.

I bet that if Kal was a communist he would own Batman

Originally posted by Bentley
Supes will outlive Batman AND Gotham.

Didn't you hear, Batman's the new thing.

Times change my friend, and America is going into an age of military grunts, Superman's expendable, his story's morals aren't flexible, the Batman can be tweaked, to be as graphic as you wish. The Age of Superman is no more, the Age of Batman has begun!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Didn't you hear, Batman's the new thing.

Times change my friend, and America is going into an age of military grunts, Superman's expendable, his story's morals aren't flexible, the Batman can be tweaked, to be as graphic as you wish. The Age of Superman is no more, the Age of Batman has begun! Wrong.

The age of this thread is no more. dur