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first this is neo with his matrix powers

second, luke has no way of harnessing anything in the matrix to amplify his own powers, he only has his own as demonstrated in the movies

third, neo cant erase luke from the matrix

Neo for the win.

If we were talking NJO Luke, things might be a little more interesting.

Ne would pwn Luke. I mean the man can dodge bullets

"You're saying I can dodge bullets?"

"No, Neo. When you're ready, you won't have to."

I think I'm the only human who likes all 3

as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned.

Luke wins. All those flips and Jedi mind tricks make him at least a worthy oppononet to the bullet-dodging Neo. Plus Luke has a light saber and an X-Wing. Neo has to be programmed (sorry, don't know the technical Matrix terms) to learn kung fu and all that other stuff. Luke knows it through the Force so he doesn't waste any time.

Oh, c'mon. If you have a de-programmed Neo you might as well give Luke an X-Wing.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Luke wins. All those flips and Jedi mind tricks make him at least a worthy oppononet to the bullet-dodging Neo. Plus Luke has a light saber and an X-Wing. Neo has to be programmed (sorry, don't know the technical Matrix terms) to learn kung fu and all that other stuff. Luke knows it through the Force so he doesn't waste any time. does Neo have preognition?

I think Luke can run mental rings around Neo, though.

starwars

Neo: Whoa.

Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
does Neo have preognition? to a limited degree yes, he also has minor telekinesis

Luke would pull the plug on Neo!

Interesting, but I think Q would erase both of them from existence with a thought.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
to a limited degree yes, he also has minor telekinesis Minor? Doesn't he stop bullets in mid air. Can fly and owned a trillion superhuman agents?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Minor? Doesn't he stop bullets in mid air. Can fly and owned a trillion superhuman agents?
yes tats nothing to lukes force chokeholds and such

but yeah, I think he might win in terms of speed and strength

and luke has an edge seeing as neo has never catalogged the jedi fighting style ( he was able to beat the smiths so easily since they were programmed t ofight a certain way and knew all of their moves)

Precognition, folks.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Precognition, folks..... wouldnt help when youre not fast enough to react

Yeah, cuz Jedi are SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. wanker

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, cuz Jedi are SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. wanker

They are fast. But I think Neo in Revolution is faster.

Isn't Neo at his peak demigod-like in power?

Originally posted by Robtard
Isn't Neo at his peak demigod-like in power?

Yeah. To be fair I haven't read NJO, and I heard Luke pwns some serious ass. But as far as I can remember the Matrix is Neo's Sim City like playground.

NJO Luke rapes Neo. Neo in the movies only sahowed potential. Never really did anything particularly specail.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
NJO Luke rapes Neo. Neo in the movies only sahowed potential. Never really did anything particularly specail.

Yes, because it's every day you stop bullets, dodge bullets, fly (at super speeds), jump super-duper high, have super strength, speed, agility and mastery of every known form of martial art.

Oh, and as Bardock pointed out, can take on entire armies of super beings. Na, nothing special about that.

just like there is nothing special about precognition, or weilding a lightsaber and having full use of force powers.....yeah, thats sissy shit.

Never said Luke wasn't a capable fighter. Neo also has some precognition too, maybe not as developed as a Jedi's, but it's there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, because it's every day you stop bullets, dodge bullets, fly (at super speeds), jump super-duper high, have super strength, speed, agility and mastery of every known form of martial art.

Oh, and as Bardock pointed out, can take on entire armies of super beings. Na, nothing special about that. You obviously know little about NJO Luke's capabilities.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
You obviously know little about NJO Luke's capabilities.

I was commenting on your sophomoric assessment of Neo, not how uber Luke is. Nice maneuver.

Actually if we look at Neo and think of him being able to do anything in the Matrix that he wants this would be kinda even matched but going on what we see Luke do in EU and what Neo did in the movies Luke clearly has him outmatched.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Actually if we look at Neo and think of him being able to do anything in the Matrix that he wants this would be kinda even matched but going on what we see Luke do in EU and what Neo did in the movies Luke clearly has him outmatched. Alright. I bring beating up at least 1000 Agents (superhuman fighters) at the same time to the table. What feat of NJO Luke raises this?


Also, sorry for incorrect Poker terms...I have no idea how to play that game.

He'd have to match that feat, and then he could raise it with something else.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
You obviously know little about NJO Luke's capabilities. then give some examples....but sice this is the movie section arent we only limited to the movies?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
then give some examples....but sice this is the movie section arent we only limited to the movies? I don't think Impediment minds. Probably up to the thread starter...aka you.

From your original post (saying as demonstrated in the movies) Neo would **** him up big time.

Originally posted by Sanctuary
I don't think Impediment minds. Probably up to the thread starter...aka you.

From your original post (saying as demonstrated in the movies) Neo would **** him up big time.
I want it to be as close as possible, so if luke needs the books sure

Originally posted by Sanctuary
I don't think Impediment minds. Probably up to the thread starter...aka you.

From your original post (saying as demonstrated in the movies) Neo would **** him up big time. That was me. It's my sock account. Sorry 'bout that.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I want it to be as close as possible, so if luke needs the books sure

Again, I don't know how much NJO Luke pwns, but a Jedi with the powers Neo portrayed and is said to have just doesn't sound right.

Originally posted by Robtard
Never said Luke wasn't a capable fighter. Neo also has some precognition too, maybe not as developed as a Jedi's, but it's there. you think if Neo were to try to take flight, and Luke were to sense it, Luke would be able to use the force to keep him from flying?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you think if Neo were to try to take flight, and Luke were to sense it, Luke would be able to use the force to keep him from flying?

Maybe, but I doubt Neo would need to fly to defeat Luke.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe, but I doubt Neo would need to fly to defeat Luke. Neo would have to get that saber away from Luke to have a chance.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Neo would have to get that saber away from Luke to have a chance.

Neo is fast enough to dodge an entire clip of machine gun bullets (travels at several thousand FPS), I think he can dodge a lightsaber.

Wait, is NJO Luke faster than a bullet?

Originally posted by Robtard
Neo is fast enough to dodge an entire clip of machine gun bullets (travels at several thousand FPS), I think he can dodge a lightsaber.

Wait, is NJO Luke faster than a bullet? again, Luke can use the force to limit Neo's mobility.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
again, Luke can use the force to limit Neo's mobility.

Can Neo use the Matrix-Force to limit The Force?

the Matrix Force?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the Matrix Force?

Whatever that shit is that allows him to alter reality and bend it to his will.

Originally posted by Robtard
Whatever that shit is that allows him to alter reality and bend it to his will. well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest.

...and we know Neo is faster, as he has super human speed and reflexes. While Jedi's are just fast and quick, when compared to regular slobs.

I WIN THE THREAD. Time to close it.

Originally posted by Robtard
...and we know Neo is faster, as he has super human speed and reflexes. While Jedi's are just fast and quick, when compared to regular slobs.

I WIN THE THREAD. Time to close it. Luke force holds Neo to the ground, then beheads him. impossible? no chance at all?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Luke force holds Neo to the ground, then beheads him. impossible? no chance at all?

I'm playing by your rules; you said "well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest" wins. Neo is faster, so Neo wins.

I WIN THE THREAD. Time to close.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm playing by your rules; you said "well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest" wins. Neo is faster, so Neo wins.

I WIN THE THREAD. Time to close.

You really don't know too much about NJO and post-NJO Luke, do you?

He was able to cloak an entire planet in the Force, move fast enough his lightsaber was like 20 sabers at once, then kill the Yuuzhan Vong Slayer warriors (all of which extremely powerful) after fighting through scores upon scores of normal Vong warriors (each of which with the strength of 2-3 average humans), then kill the very strongest Yuuzhan Vong of all after killing all these other Vong, without using all his effort.

The next trilogy, he could cloak ships and create illusions of other ships using the Force, kill hundreds of Killik insect warriors, kill a quite strong Dark Jedi (Welk), then a book later slaughter hundreds more Killiks, use the Force to guide his lightsaber strikes against an invisible opponent wielding two lightsabers at once, then the next book he was able to root himself in the Force so deeply that not even a black hole could move him. He was also able to manhandle two separate Jedi/Dark Jedi, each of which was able to draw upon the Force potential of the entire Killik species, and one of which had four lightsabers (Lomi Plo). Keep in mind that the one of these Jedi that did not have four lightsabers (Raynar Thul) had enough Force energy to be able to curve turbolaser blasts away from their target, something Luke himself wasn't able to do.

The next trilogy he was able to duel Lumiya (who uses a lightwhip) and Alema Rar simultaneously (twice, in fact), then duel and kill Lumiya later, then duel the newly empowered Sith Lord Darth Caedus and would have be able to kill him but didn't. He could also keep Caedus, a Dark Lord of the Sith, in a state of inability to move with extreme ease, and also was able to send Caedus flying across a room with minimal ease. He is also by now able to conjure illusionary fleets of ships using the Force, and further outwit Darth Caedus.

Luke could sense what Neo was about to do in the Force. He's faster. He could simply hold Neo still in the Force and manhandle him with his instant-lethal Electric Judgement, or use the Force to choke the life out of him, or slice him into a billion pieces with his lightsaber.

Finally, proof of Luke's incredible reflexes, when he battled Lomi Plo (who was using four lightsabers), Lomi Plo flew at him fast enough that even Luke was not able to sense she was about to do this. Yet, despite not sensing that, Luke was able to cut her into four pieces with a deft flick of his lightsaber.

Sorry to say it, but your Neo will get killed by NJO or post-NJO Luke.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Powers_and_abilities

Originally posted by Darth Martin
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Powers_and_abilities

I would have posted a link like that, but I just felt like owning someone that underestimated Lord Luke Skywalker, Force God.

Neo in comic book versus tiers is like a low level herald b ut NJO Luke is possibly a Transcendent.

Also in Matrix Reloaded Neo fought more like 150 to 200 at most Smith's, not 1000.

I'll be honest, I don't know much about the Matrix, but I know Luke could kill Neo.

I'm very aware of Neo's capabilities and own all three films, but I also know who NJO Luke is and what he can do. Only one that comes close to him in anything is DE Palpatine.

I'm not sure how luke would react if neo rammed him at 3x the speed of sound though

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You really don't know too much about NJO and post-NJO Luke, do you?

He was able to cloak an entire planet in the Force, move fast enough his lightsaber was like 20 sabers at once, then kill the Yuuzhan Vong Slayer warriors (all of which extremely powerful) after fighting through scores upon scores of normal Vong warriors (each of which with the strength of 2-3 average humans), then kill the very strongest Yuuzhan Vong of all after killing all these other Vong, without using all his effort.

The next trilogy, he could cloak ships and create illusions of other ships using the Force, kill hundreds of Killik insect warriors, kill a quite strong Dark Jedi (Welk), then a book later slaughter hundreds more Killiks, use the Force to guide his lightsaber strikes against an invisible opponent wielding two lightsabers at once, then the next book he was able to root himself in the Force so deeply that not even a black hole could move him. He was also able to manhandle two separate Jedi/Dark Jedi, each of which was able to draw upon the Force potential of the entire Killik species, and one of which had four lightsabers (Lomi Plo). Keep in mind that the one of these Jedi that did not have four lightsabers (Raynar Thul) had enough Force energy to be able to curve turbolaser blasts away from their target, something Luke himself wasn't able to do.

The next trilogy he was able to duel Lumiya (who uses a lightwhip) and Alema Rar simultaneously (twice, in fact), then duel and kill Lumiya later, then duel the newly empowered Sith Lord Darth Caedus and would have be able to kill him but didn't. He could also keep Caedus, a Dark Lord of the Sith, in a state of inability to move with extreme ease, and also was able to send Caedus flying across a room with minimal ease. He is also by now able to conjure illusionary fleets of ships using the Force, and further outwit Darth Caedus.

Luke could sense what Neo was about to do in the Force. He's faster. He could simply hold Neo still in the Force and manhandle him with his instant-lethal Electric Judgement, or use the Force to choke the life out of him, or slice him into a billion pieces with his lightsaber.

Finally, proof of Luke's incredible reflexes, when he battled Lomi Plo (who was using four lightsabers), Lomi Plo flew at him fast enough that even Luke was not able to sense she was about to do this. Yet, despite not sensing that, Luke was able to cut her into four pieces with a deft flick of his lightsaber.

Sorry to say it, but your Neo will get killed by NJO or post-NJO Luke.

Calm down, fanboy.

P.S. I already won the thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Calm down, fanboy.

P.S. I already won the thread. mmm....lets go with no.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
mmm....lets go with no.

Umm yes, you made the rules; which I played by. You said it would come down to who could use their powers faster, Neo is clearly faster than Luke.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Also in Matrix Reloaded Neo fought more like 150 to 200 at most Smith's, not 1000. True as that may be I believe there was a movie called Matrix Revolution, too.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You really don't know too much about NJO and post-NJO Luke, do you?

He was able to cloak an entire planet in the Force, move fast enough his lightsaber was like 20 sabers at once, then kill the Yuuzhan Vong Slayer warriors (all of which extremely powerful) after fighting through scores upon scores of normal Vong warriors (each of which with the strength of 2-3 average humans), then kill the very strongest Yuuzhan Vong of all after killing all these other Vong, without using all his effort.

The next trilogy, he could cloak ships and create illusions of other ships using the Force, kill hundreds of Killik insect warriors, kill a quite strong Dark Jedi (Welk), then a book later slaughter hundreds more Killiks, use the Force to guide his lightsaber strikes against an invisible opponent wielding two lightsabers at once, then the next book he was able to root himself in the Force so deeply that not even a black hole could move him. He was also able to manhandle two separate Jedi/Dark Jedi, each of which was able to draw upon the Force potential of the entire Killik species, and one of which had four lightsabers (Lomi Plo). Keep in mind that the one of these Jedi that did not have four lightsabers (Raynar Thul) had enough Force energy to be able to curve turbolaser blasts away from their target, something Luke himself wasn't able to do.

The next trilogy he was able to duel Lumiya (who uses a lightwhip) and Alema Rar simultaneously (twice, in fact), then duel and kill Lumiya later, then duel the newly empowered Sith Lord Darth Caedus and would have be able to kill him but didn't. He could also keep Caedus, a Dark Lord of the Sith, in a state of inability to move with extreme ease, and also was able to send Caedus flying across a room with minimal ease. He is also by now able to conjure illusionary fleets of ships using the Force, and further outwit Darth Caedus.

Luke could sense what Neo was about to do in the Force. He's faster. He could simply hold Neo still in the Force and manhandle him with his instant-lethal Electric Judgement, or use the Force to choke the life out of him, or slice him into a billion pieces with his lightsaber.

Finally, proof of Luke's incredible reflexes, when he battled Lomi Plo (who was using four lightsabers), Lomi Plo flew at him fast enough that even Luke was not able to sense she was about to do this. Yet, despite not sensing that, Luke was able to cut her into four pieces with a deft flick of his lightsaber.

Sorry to say it, but your Neo will get killed by NJO or post-NJO Luke. I don't see how any of this really makes him more powerful than Neo in the last movie. The only feet that is interesting to this debate would be the black hole thing maybe.

Sure Luke is badass, but Neo is kinda a God...

Originally posted by Bardock42
True as that may be I believe there was a movie called Matrix Revolution, too.
I don't see how any of this really makes him more powerful than Neo in the last movie. The only feet that is interesting to this debate would be the black hole thing maybe.

Sure Luke is badass, but Neo is kinda a God...

Not to mention that this would be Luke from the movies, as the thread starter stipulated.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not to mention that this would be Luke from the movies, as the thread starter stipulated. True, but that's absolutely one sided, so I suppose it makes sense to take the extended universe into consideration, to make it more evenly matched.

Originally posted by Bardock42
True, but that's absolutely one sided, so I suppose it makes sense to take the extended universe into consideration, to make it more evenly matched. Indeed.

You went from NJO Luke only "having a chance" against Neo and if he only keeps his glowstick at that, to "NJO PWNS Neo" and now it being a fair/even fight, odd.

how so?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
how so?

I don't know, maybe this?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming.

In regards to Bardock's even fight assessment:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indeed.

yes.....and? purnt?

Odd.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I said you changed your stance and back, which was odd. You said "how so?" I post the links showing how you did and you respond with "yes....and? purnt". That is odd.

Originally posted by Robtard
I said you changed your stance and back, which was odd. You said "how so?" I post the links showing how you did and you respond with "yes....and? purnt". That is odd. you just made me wet.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you just made me wet. He's accusing you of not having an opinion of your own.


Still, after reading all of Luke's feats (impressive), I am not convinced he could take Neo at his max in the movies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you just made me wet.

Again, odd.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, odd. Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo.

How many times have you changed your stance now?

Originally posted by Robtard
How many times have you changed your stance now? Zero?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Zero?

Wrong guess, you're up to around 5 times now. Just an FYI.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong guess, you're up to around 5 times now. Just an FYI. My stance is that Luke would own Neo, unless Neo relieved him of his lightsaber. That has been my stance for a while now.

ok since it's ben agreed movie luke gets beaten NJO luke is being used againt neo

my one problem with luke is he isnt as durable as neo, he would have to use the force to protect himself FAST or one kick could kill him

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
My stance is that Luke would own Neo, unless Neo relieved him of his lightsaber. That has been my stance for a while now.

"as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned." -RJ

"Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming" -RJ

"well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest." -RJ (then you avoided the fact that Neo is faster and can dodge bullets, which would make lightsaber attacks worthless)

"Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo." -RJ

Edit: Your quotes are in chronological order. See how odd that is, what you did?

Originally posted by Robtard
"as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned." -RJ

"Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming" -RJ

"well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest." -RJ (then you avoided the fact that Neo is faster and can dodge bullets, which would make lightsaber attacks worthless)

"Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo." -RJ

Edit: Your quotes are in chronological order. See how odd that is, what you did? NJO Luke could stop Neo dead in his tracks with merely a thought, ever thought of that?

I think that's makes six times you've changed your stance. Just an FYI.

more like six times you are full of shit...just saying.

neo however is using his own form a telekinesis to propell him, different from stopping a ship or bullet

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
more like six times you are full of shit...just saying.

Where have I contradicted myself or lied?

And oh, repost:
"as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned." -RJ

"Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming" -RJ

"well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest." -RJ (then you avoided the fact that Neo is faster and can dodge bullets, which would make lightsaber attacks worthless)

"Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo." -RJ

Your quotes are in chronological order. See how odd that is, what you did?

Originally posted by Robtard
Where have I contradicted myself or lied?

And oh, repost:
"as long as NJO Luke keeps ahold of his saber, he has a chance. If it goes hand to hand, he gets pwned." -RJ

"Neo gets pwned by NJO Luke. Luke will see his attack coming" -RJ

"well, I guess it'd be like a quick draw, whoever wields their powers the fastest." -RJ (then you avoided the fact that Neo is faster and can dodge bullets, which would make lightsaber attacks worthless)

"Frankie say relax, and watch Luke b1tch slap Neo." -RJ

Your quotes are in chronological order. See how odd that is, what you did? the first two are the same, I am talking about if Luke keeps ahold of his saber.

the quick draw thing, I already commented on, go back and see.

The Frankie comment is a joke, roll with it or GTFO.

neo seems to be able to ue his powers much more efficiently though lukes light saber would require him to keep him a certan distance away

Luke has saber, Neo had no saber.....Its pretty simple.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Luke has saber, Neo had no saber.....Its pretty simple.
neo has sper strength, superior durability, and mastery of every known martial art ..yeah it is simple isnt it

Luke can use the force to hold Neo in place, Neo cant fly or anything if that happens. FORCE CHOKE HOLD.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Luke can use the force to hold Neo in place, Neo cant fly or anything if that happens. FORCE CHOKE HOLD. you dont seem to understand neo has a form of telekinesis that he uses to move that fast, lukes force would be combating against that, yo uare just assuming the the force is stronger than neos force

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
you dont seem to understand neo has a form of telekinesis that he uses to move that fast, lukes force would be combating against that, yo uare just assuming the the force is stronger than neos force I am not assuming anything, Luke has PRECOG. he will know what Neo does before Neo does it. Neo doesnt have precog. He will know what Neo plans and where Neo will be as soon as Neo thinks it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am not assuming anything, Luke has PRECOG. he will know what Neo does before Neo does it. Neo doesnt have precog. He will know what Neo plans and where Neo will be as soon as Neo thinks it. You assume that Luke could paralyze Neo. And you assume that Luke's precognition would be enough for him to dodge Neo's superspeed attacks. And that's all just assuming Neo doesn't actually use his powers, and just chills around in a fist fight.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You assume that Luke could paralyze Neo. And you assume that Luke's precognition would be enough for him to dodge Neo's superspeed attacks. And that's all just assuming Neo doesn't actually use his powers, and just chills around in a fist fight. he wouldnt BE able to USE the supersonic attacks if Luke uses the force to hold him aground. and yes, I am assuming that would work on Neo, why wouldnt it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You assume that Luke could paralyze Neo. And you assume that Luke's precognition would be enough for him to dodge Neo's superspeed attacks. And that's all just assuming Neo doesn't actually use his powers, and just chills around in a fist fight.

Even if Luke's precog couldn't be enough to sense Neo, his reflexes would still help (as he did with Lomi Plo) enough to dodge Neo's attacks. Plus there's Force Stasis (renders someone completely unable to do anything except think) which Luke was able to quite easily use on a full Dark Lord of the Sith, and then there's Electric Judgement, the one-hit lethal Force lightning.

You're either way underestimating Luke, or overestimating Neo's ability to fool Luke.

Also, you say that Neo is like a God, well NJO Luke has kinda been proven to be a Force God, during the NJO, Dark Nest and LOTF series.

Luke holds Neo in place with Force Stasis, uses Electric Judgement, which kills Neo in one hit. Fight done.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Even if Luke's precog couldn't be enough to sense Neo, his reflexes would still help (as he did with Lomi Plo) enough to dodge Neo's attacks. Plus there's Force Stasis (renders someone completely unable to do anything except think) which Luke was able to quite easily use on a full Dark Lord of the Sith, and then there's Electric Judgement, the one-hit lethal Force lightning.

You're either way underestimating Luke, or overestimating Neo's ability to fool Luke.

Also, you say that Neo is like a God, well NJO Luke has kinda been proven to be a Force God, during the NJO, Dark Nest and LOTF series.

Luke holds Neo in place with Force Stasis, uses Electric Judgement, which kills Neo in one hit. Fight done. Okay, the thread starter said Neo can't erase Luke from the Matrix, but what would really stop Neo from doing a huge number of other things that he could easily do. Does Force Stasis render EVERYONE useless, or are there people that can dodge that? And even then, isn't thinking all that Neo does in the Matrix anyways? Has Luke shown that he can easily dodge and beat an enemy moving at multiple times the speed of sound?

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Even if Luke's precog couldn't be enough to sense Neo, his reflexes would still help (as he did with Lomi Plo) enough to dodge Neo's attacks. Plus there's Force Stasis (renders someone completely unable to do anything except think) which Luke was able to quite easily use on a full Dark Lord of the Sith, and then there's Electric Judgement, the one-hit lethal Force lightning.

You're either way underestimating Luke, or overestimating Neo's ability to fool Luke.

Also, you say that Neo is like a God, well NJO Luke has kinda been proven to be a Force God, during the NJO, Dark Nest and LOTF series.

Luke holds Neo in place with Force Stasis, uses Electric Judgement, which kills Neo in one hit. Fight done.
he was able to do this on a sit hfoce because his force was stronger then the siths force power

while neo uses a different power completely

neo propells himself with his own form of telekinesis, even if luke managed t ostop him midflight the sonic boom behind him would be enough to kill luke or disrupt his fore control

and a lightning strike wouldnt kill neo either, luke would have to d obetter than that

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he was able to do this on a sit hfoce because his force was stronger then the siths force power

No, he was able to do this because he was faster than the Sith, and the Sith didn't have even the time to block the Stasis attack.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
neo propells himself with his own form of telekinesis

Again, Force Stasis.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
even if luke managed t ostop him midflight the sonic boom behind him would be enough to kill luke or disrupt his fore control

Luke can create a Force bubble that protects him from blaster bolts, which would also protect him from a sonic boom, or normal bullets even.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and a lightning strike wouldnt kill neo either, luke would have to d obetter than that

Electric Judgement isn't just normal lightning. It kills whoever it hits instantly, no matter who they are. Luke just doesn't use it that often since he thinks it's too "dark", but in a fight against Neo he would know he needed to use it.

Don't forget Luke can also cloak himself with the Force, and create illusions of himself that Neo would attack, not knowing the real Luke was invisible and using Electric Judgement, or Force Choke, or his ultra-quick saber strikes.

neo is far faster thanluke is and more durable, and again could react faster than luke as he is not bound my human limitations he moves as fast as he needs to

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
neo is far faster thanluke is and more durable, and again could react faster than luke as he is not bound my human limitations he moves as fast as he needs to

You can't move fast when you're held in stasis.

Or, Neo could move with his "ultra-fastness", but at a Force illusion of Luke while the real Luke simply kills him from behind while Force-cloaked.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You can't move fast when you're held in stasis.

Or, Neo could move with his "ultra-fastness", but at a Force illusion of Luke while the real Luke simply kills him from behind while Force-cloaked. when neo reacts faster than luke, what makes yo uthink he'll have time to set all of this up

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
when neo reacts faster than luke, what makes yo uthink he'll have time to set all of this up

Easy. While going to wherever Neo and him fight, Luke senses that Neo is there and wants to fight him prior to the battle.

Or, Force precognition.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You can't move fast when you're held in stasis.

Or, Neo could move with his "ultra-fastness", but at a Force illusion of Luke while the real Luke simply kills him from behind while Force-cloaked. You said he can still think while in stasis. But all Neo does in the Matrix is thinking. All his movements are just his thoughts.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Easy. While going to wherever Neo and him fight, Luke senses that Neo is there and wants to fight him prior to the battle.

Or, Force precognition.
this is similar to an arena fight, no one gets anymore prep time than the other

Originally posted by Bardock42
You said he can still think while in stasis. But all Neo does in the Matrix is thinking. All his movements are just his thoughts.

If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement. its his telkinesis pushing his physical form he could be paraplegic but move using the matrix

Fight begins, Neo flies at Luke at *2,310mph and punches him through the skull.

-The End

(*over half a mile per second)

Yeah...this is a bit one sided.


They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.

Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.



Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...

If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.


They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.

Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.



Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...

If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy". that last line was AWESOME.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement. We are assuming here obviously. Could Neo still bend reality with his thoughts? If not...why?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.


They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.

Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.



Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...

If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy". I agree absolutely, in a fight were the premises power Neo down to be weaker than Luke, Neo would be weaker than Luke. Once again a great insight, thank you, dadudemon.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.


They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.

Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.



Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...

If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".

Someone said that only Palpatine was (possibly) stronger than Luke, yet that crusty old pederast was picked up and tossed out like garbage by a heavily wounded Vader; with little difficulty. So I not sure you're understanding how powerful Neo is, remember, his powers would allow him to bend reality to his will, i.e. Godlike powers.

But like Bardock said, if you want (need to) to power-down Neo in order to make Luke stronger than him, so be it. Luke wins in that scenario.

Oh, did I mention Neo could be at him within milliseconds?

IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.

You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.

You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa. So, why wouldn't lets say, thinking Luke far, far away into the sun work. And we saw Neo can just jump inot an agent and make him explode all over the matrix. Why not that?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.

You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa.

Yes, that is the premise. Luke has awesome powers, no doubt. Neo is Godlike though.

Let's play a game, I'll control Neo, you control Luke. I'll even give you the advantage and tell you my first move. 1/50th (underestimated) of a second after the fight begins, Neo will be punching Luke through the skull, flying at 3,390 feet per second. What does Luke do?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, that is the premise. Luke has awesome powers, no doubt. Neo is Godlike though.

Let's play a game, I'll control Neo, you control Luke. I'll even give you the advantage and tell you my first move. 1/50th (underestimated) of a second after the fight begins, Neo will be punching Luke through the skull, flying at 3,390 feet per second. What does Luke do? Easy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.


Next question.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, why wouldn't lets say, thinking Luke far, far away into the sun work. And we saw Neo can just jump inot an agent and make him explode all over the matrix. Why not that? I always thought that Neo was able to do that BECAUSE Smith was an agent, NOT a human being.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I always thought that Neo was able to do that BECAUSE Smith was an agent, NOT a human being. Nah, doesn't make sense. Since the Agents are human beings that got reprogrammed anyways.Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Easy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.


Next question. Why could Neo with his vastly superior speed not dodge this attack? Precog is great, but it does only so much against a superior opponent.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Easy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.


Next question.

Sidestep, turnon the saber and attack all within/faster 1/50th of a second? Luke is that fast?

Originally posted by Robtard
Someone said that only Palpatine was (possibly) stronger than Luke, yet that crusty old pederast was picked up and tossed out like garbage by a heavily wounded Vader; with little difficulty. So I not sure you're understanding how powerful Neo is, remember, his powers would allow him to bend reality to his will, i.e. Godlike powers.

But like Bardock said, if you want (need to) to power-down Neo in order to make Luke stronger than him, so be it. Luke wins in that scenario.

Oh, did I mention Neo could be at him within milliseconds?

In my specially programmed universe, Luke's force abilities should be more than enough for Neo, IF we are talking about NJO. No doubt that Luke should have problems holding Neo still. Neo didn't really show reality warping in the Matrix Movies but he did show abilities to read into the programming of the Matrix which gave him almost precog ability and slight control over things to happened in the matrix. The best his "reality warping" got was the virtual destruction of Agent Smith. Since the two characters(Luke and Neo) come from different universes, giving that ability(virtual character destruction) to Neo to use against Luke may or may not work. This is an unknown. (In the fighting arena designed for them to fight.)

In Neo's world where he is god, Luke would still have his Jedi reflexes and pre cog and learned abilities...but force abilities(I am referring to kensis mostly) would probably not work. Though he did, at one point, use the force to destroy droids...I am not sure if that ability could carry over into controlling some aspects of the Matrix.

However, put Neo in Luke's Universe, and he gets utterly raped without even trying.

So...going by this logic, Luke could put up a fight in Neo's universe but Neo wouldn't stand a chance Luke's universe.



IF Luke's kinetic force powers could have any hold on Neo inside the neutral universe I have proposed, then it would be a very one sided fight. IF, for the sake of a drawn out fight, Luke's powers have control over Neo but Neo is able to overcome them to a certain extent, then it should be an even match. Jedi Mind Tricks would do nothing at all on Neo because his mind is probably extremely advanced. (He concluded faster, according to the Architect, than the "others" before him...and then there's the whole transcending the control of the matrix part.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why could Neo with his vastly superior speed not dodge this attack?

Fail. Neo MAY be able to move that fast...but the best we have of him relxing/moving fast is in one where he does the most parodied portion of the wave arms thing. Neo's reflexes are absurd. But I would not put them on par with even a Jedi Knight. Neo's uber flight speed does nothing for him against Luke.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Precog is great, but it does only so much against a superior opponent.

In this case, Luke is leaps and bounds ahead of Neo when it comes to reflexes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sidestep, turnon the saber and attack all within/faster 1/50th of a second? Luke is that fast?

Yes. Much faster. Deflecting blaster bolts straight back at the person firing the weapon? Luke also uses Form V...and probably an amalgamation of other forms with his own personal touch thrown in.

Tetsuo steps in and goes blobmonster on both of them. TETSUO!!!!!!!

Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sidestep, turnon the saber and attack all within/faster 1/50th of a second? Luke is that fast? NJO Luke is.

Originally posted by Robtard
Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity. the problem here is that the Matrix portrays Neo as a normal man with no powers who discovers his powers and becomes godlike.

none of the opponents he faces has any sort of powers, its all about fighting skill.

Luke has fighting skill, he is a master of Teras Kasi, wields the force, not to mention he is a deadeye with his blaster, and he handles a lightsaber like no other.

Luke can do too much, he has too many weapons at his disposal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, doesn't make sense. Since the Agents are human beings that got reprogrammed anyways.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Smith


This part in particular:

Smith is an Agent, an artificial intelligence manifested in the Matrix.

Originally posted by Robtard
Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity.

Please address my post. I approached this subject logically.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the two characters(Luke and Neo) come from different universes, giving that ability(virtual character destruction) to Neo to use against Luke may or may not work. This is an unknown. (In the fighting arena designed for them to fight.)


Yes, that's the point I was addressing. In your arena Luke's powers work hundred percent while the powers Neo showed or is told of being able to harness only may or may not. My point is really just that the Neo we saw in Revolution would be able to beat NJO Luke as he is described by the article posted and the people arguing in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geicI59NTLg

The feats he shows in this video alone should be enough for any Jedi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nc85tUrbb8&NR=1

Look at the final fight between him and Smith. especially a hit of Smith at 5:30. And the impact Neo takes at 6:00. Does that look like a fight Luke could participate or even win?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Smith


This part in particular:

Smith is an Agent, an artificial intelligence manifested in the Matrix. Yeah, but they take over and reprogram the bodies of people in the matrix.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but they take over and reprogram the bodies of people in the matrix. but what about the bodies of the agents themselves? not the bodies of the humans they can take over, but the bodies they are....I guess we can say "issued?"

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, that's the point I was addressing. In your arena Luke's powers work hundred percent while the powers Neo showed or is told of being able to harness only may or may not.

In the theoretical arena being used, it is supposed to give each character 100% of their ability except for Neo's Agent Smith destructo thing and maybe some other reality manipulating abilities if he has them. Stopping bullets is fine...etc. etc.

Originally posted by Bardock42
My point is really just that the Neo we saw in Revolution would be able to beat NJO Luke as he is described by the article posted and the people arguing in this thread.

Maybe. I don't know. Depends on how effective Luke's force abilities are on Neo. They come from different universes so we have no way of knowing if Luke's uber force abilities will work to "hold" Neo.

Also, Neo's almost precog-like abilities stem from an uncanny connection to the Matrix. His ability to "sense" and even affect the the Matrix while out side the Matrix comes from that connection. In the Arena I have designed, that would eliminate that ability...unless we can program that in there. I feel that Luke's Jedi abilities as far as reflexes go, it would make a very one sided fight. Even then, it is still rather one sided WITH the Neo's "sense" as Neo's sense does not work nearly as fast as a Jedi's...it is more or less long drawn out thought and contemplation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geicI59NTLg

Originally posted by Bardock42
The feats he shows in this video alone should be enough for any Jedi.

I own all three Matrix movies...and 0 Star Wars movies.

The point is a Jedi Knight should be able to have reflexes fast enough to keep up with Neo's hand to hand combat...but the strength differential, imo, would be too great to overcome. This is where a lightsaber and evasive abilities would help a Jedi out.

However, we are not talking about a regular Jedi. We are talking about the, probably, most powerful Jedi in the Star Wars universe. cloaking planets...moving ridiculously large star ships with telekinesis, etc.

Could Luke use his force barrier to absorb a supersonic punch from Neo? I don't think so.

Could Luke easily evade that attack and cut Neo up into two pieces while Neo travels at supersonic speeds? Yes. That is definitely within his ability.

Luke's abilities are just more versatile and developed. He has many more feats than Neo so it is easier to quantify his abilities.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nc85tUrbb8&NR=1

Look at the final fight between him and Smith. especially a hit of Smith at 5:30. And the impact Neo takes at 6:00. Does that look like a fight Luke could participate or even win?

Neo's durability is NOT in question. Neo is MUCH more durable than Luke.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Could Luke use his force barrier to absorb a supersonic punch from Neo? I don't think so.

. a Jedi can, in fact, use the force to lessen the impact of any attack.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
a Jedi can, in fact, use the force to lessen the impact of any attack.

But it would seem logical to assume that that much of an impact would be too much for Luke's force barrier to absorb. Do you have info to the contrary? If it is shown that his barrier can take a whopping of a hit, then I will definitely have to change what I said and admit that my assessment was wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But it would seem logical to assume that that much of an impact would be too much for Luke's force barrier to absorb. Do you have info to the contrary? If it is shown that his barrier can take a whopping of a hit, then I will definitely have to change what I said and admit that my assessment was wrong. well, I dont have a link or anything, but I can prolly dig one up. In the novel "Darth Maulhadow Hunter", Maul is blown off a landing platform and is free falling to his demise. Well, he regains his composure, calls upon the force, and slows his descent as he free falls, and ends up with only a few cuts and bruises.

If Maul can accomplish this, then NJO Luke can certainly accomplish it on a much larger scale, especially with a punch or kick attack.

Also, not many non SW fans know this, but, while in combat, everything slows down while the Jedi/Sith remain moving at full speed. Time doesnt slow down, it's just that the Sith/ Jedi are so attuned with their precog abilities, that they are able to know what their opponent plans several moves in advance.

So, to be clear, Neo has all of his powers, Luke has all of his powers, not to mention his lightsaber, AND these powers work 100% on each other, right?

If thats the case, here is a good link that describes force powers:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Force_powers

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
NJO Luke is.

This is why you're a silly Fanboy, Luke is powerful, but super-duper-DUPER speed isn't one of his abilities.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Please address my post. I approached this subject logically.

1) Luke can't move that fast, Jedi's are fast, but they can't move at super-lighting speeds. He could not dodge, arm his weapon and attack all in less than a second, a lot less than a second at that.

2) Luke's use of the force is a devatating weapon, but Neo's has the abiltiy to alter reality to his liking, in theory, any Force attack Luke tries, Neo could bend it to his own will/use. But he wouldn't need that, because speed would all that would be needed. Considering Neo is Godlike in power.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is why you're a silly Fanboy, Luke is powerful, but super-duper-DUPER speed isn't one of his abilities. do yourself a favor, read the link I just provided, check out all the powers Luke can harness.

and cut out the fan boy crap, it makes it look like you are reaching.


JEDI MIND TRICK....Luke can make Neo think whatever he pleases, make him THINK REALITY is to his liking.

and YES, Luke can dodge, will his saber to his hand, and ignite in in less than a second. He doesnt even have to will it to his hand, he can merely will it TOWARDS Neo, ignite it at the last second, and attack Neo that way. Not to mention Luke can, at the same time, use force powers and a physical attack at the same time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
do yourself a favor, read the link I just provided, check out all the powers Luke can harness.

and cut out the fan boy crap, it makes it look like you are reaching.


JEDI MIND TRICK....Luke can make Neo think whatever he pleases, make him THINK REALITY is to his liking.

and YES, Luke can dodge, will his saber to his hand, and ignite in in less than a second. He doesnt even have to will it to his hand, he can merely will it TOWARDS Neo, ignite it at the last second, and attack Neo that way. Not to mention Luke can, at the same time, use force powers and a physical attack at the same time.

I did; moving at super-duper speeds isn't one of his powers, sure he's faster than any normal human and possibly any other Jedi, but he can't move at 'The FLash' like speeds, which you just claimed he could. Do you know how fast a 50th (or greater) of a second is? This is why you're a fanboy, you make up shit. Do yourself a favor and try some objectivity, you're embaressing yourself.

Unless the battle starts and they're miles apart, Neo would be on him and have killed him even before the saber moved an inch. The split second it takes Luke to think about using some force attack, Neo would be on him.

I would say here neo has a much faster accelratio as well as movement speed than luke,

neo has shown to be able to increase his speed t o3x the speed almost instantly, FORCE SPEED IS GREAT BUT IT ISN'T ON PAR WITH NEO(Sorry caps lock...too lazy to redo)

neo's strength is much greater as well as his durability

and he is no doubt a better fighter, in fact I wouldnt find it s ohard pressed to believe neo could actually take a couple of hits fro mteh light saber with being dismembered

Originally posted by Robtard
1) Luke can't move that fast, Jedi's are fast, but they can't move at super-lighting speeds. He could not dodge, arm his weapon and attack all in less than a second, a lot less than a second at that.

2) Luke's use of the force is a devatating weapon, but Neo's has the abiltiy to alter reality to his liking, in theory, any Force attack Luke tries, Neo could bend it to his own will/use. But he wouldn't need that, because speed would all that would be needed. Considering Neo is Godlike in power.

1. I disagree. Even IF Neo could moved as fast as you would like him to, he still does not have the reflexes to control himself under that speed. He is NOT the Flash. He can fly really damn fast...yes...but he has NOT shown to be able to fight fast like a DragonBall Z character. Luke has more than shown his ability to react to things as fast or faster than bullets...blaster bolt deflection. Not ONLY can he react fast enough to deflect the blaster bolt, he can also react fast enough and dexterously enough to reflect the bolt right back to the person who fired it.

2. I agree. But Neo's abilities are tied to the Matrix. Put Neo into Luke's universe and he only has the fighting skills the computer loaded into his brain. Did you miss this point earlier?

Stop being an illogical subjective fanboy. (P.S. yeah...I'm not serious about that last comment. I'm mocking you betch.)

Originally posted by Robtard
I did; moving at super-duper speeds isn't one of his powers, sure he's faster than any normal human and possibly any other Jedi, but he can't move at 'The FLash' like speeds, which you just claimed he could. Do you know how fast a 50th (or greater) of a second is? This is why you're a fanboy, you make up shit. Do yourself a favor and try some objectivity, you're embaressing yourself.

Unless the battle starts and they're miles apart, Neo would be on him and have killed him even before the saber moved an inch. The split second it takes Luke to think about using some force attack, Neo would be on him. see, you are only acknowledging SOME of Lukes powers, not all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers#Light

FORCE PROTECTION - A power generally only achieved by high-ranking Jedi masters, Force protection will make the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of physical weapons, energy weapons, and Force powers. The ultimate in terms of defense.

FORCE BLINDING-Force Blinding is a light side Force power. It emanates what appears as a blinding flash of energy, overloading the target's vision and causing temporary blindness. A powerful tool of the light side, a Jedi can obfuscate an opponent's sight, making it difficult for the adversary to spot and attack the Jedi

DISIPATE ENERGY-Dissipate Energy (or Absorb)- The ability to disperse Force energy, and to even absorb or redirect it. A trained Jedi may contain the energy of all kinds of Force attacks used against them. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers is limited, a Jedi can use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.

PRECOGNITION - Certain devotees of the Force are gifted in the ability to sense extreme danger however subtle it is, and receive ample warning to defend against the threat.



And these powers are only the tip of the iceberg, I only listed FOUR of them. Imagine if Luke uses as many as he wants?

And the fact that Luke will KNOW what Neo is gonna do BEFORE Neo does it is all the edge Luke needs. Doesnt matter if Neo hits with the force of a freight train, Luke will have sensed it, he will have realized it even as Neo thinks it, and will EASILY be able to evade.

Sure, Neo can take a shitload of punishment, kicks and punches, but if Luke lops off aleg or an arm, you think Neo is gonna be the same? Not to mention his head.

Face it, man. Neo is stronger physically, prolly faster, but Luke has WAY too many weapons at his disposal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I disagree. Even IF Neo could moved as fast as you would like him to, he still does not have the reflexes to control himself under that speed. He is NOT the Flash. He can fly really damn fast...yes...but he has NOT shown to be able to fight fast like a DragonBall Z character. Luke has more than shown his ability to react to things as fast or faster than bullets...blaster bolt deflection. Not ONLY can he react fast enough to deflect the blaster bolt, he can also react fast enough and dexterously enough to reflect the bolt right back to the person who fired it.

2. I agree. But Neo's abilities are tied to the Matrix. Put Neo into Luke's universe and he only has the fighting skills the computer loaded into his brain. Did you miss this point earlier?

Stop being an illogical subjective fanboy. (P.S. yeah...I'm not serious about that last comment. I'm mocking you betch.)

He can fly at Luke at 3390 feet per second and hit him, that is all that would be needed. Oddly, blaster bolts travel slower than bullets, at least seen from the movies, it doesn't make sense, but it is what it is.

There you go again, you're using Luke at his max potential while gimping Neo to the point where he is weaker. As Bardock42 noted, if weaken Neo to be less powerful than Luke, than Luke will be stornger. In that special scenario, Luke wins. Yay for you.

Get your own material, plagerist.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
see, you are only acknowledging SOME of Lukes powers, not all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers#Light

FORCE PROTECTION - A power generally only achieved by high-ranking Jedi masters, Force protection will make the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of physical weapons, energy weapons, and Force powers. The ultimate in terms of defense.

FORCE BLINDING-Force Blinding is a light side Force power. It emanates what appears as a blinding flash of energy, overloading the target's vision and causing temporary blindness. A powerful tool of the light side, a Jedi can obfuscate an opponent's sight, making it difficult for the adversary to spot and attack the Jedi

DISIPATE ENERGY-Dissipate Energy (or Absorb)- The ability to disperse Force energy, and to even absorb or redirect it. A trained Jedi may contain the energy of all kinds of Force attacks used against them. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers is limited, a Jedi can use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.

PRECOGNITION - Certain devotees of the Force are gifted in the ability to sense extreme danger however subtle it is, and receive ample warning to defend against the threat.



And these powers are only the tip of the iceberg, I only listed FOUR of them. Imagine if Luke uses as many as he wants?

And the fact that Luke will KNOW what Neo is gonna do BEFORE Neo does it is all the edge Luke needs. Doesnt matter if Neo hits with the force of a freight train, Luke will have sensed it, he will have realized it even as Neo thinks it, and will EASILY be able to evade.

Sure, Neo can take a shitload of punishment, kicks and punches, but if Luke lops off aleg or an arm, you think Neo is gonna be the same? Not to mention his head.

Face it, man. Neo is stronger physically, prolly faster, but Luke has WAY too many weapons at his disposal.

I've acknowledged that Luke is extremely powerful. All you do is ignore your own rules and make new ones when someone counters your "Okay, Neo could win if he can do this" with something that would indeed deafeat Luke, you silly Fanboy.

Also, Neo has the ability to bring himself back from death (i.e. alter reality as he sees fit)... I know, I know... Luke only gets to fight at his max potential, Neo has to have limits.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I disagree. Even IF Neo could moved as fast as you would like him to, he still does not have the reflexes to control himself under that speed. He is NOT the Flash. He can fly really damn fast...yes...but he has NOT shown to be able to fight fast like a DragonBall Z character. Luke has more than shown his ability to react to things as fast or faster than bullets...blaster bolt deflection. Not ONLY can he react fast enough to deflect the blaster bolt, he can also react fast enough and dexterously enough to reflect the bolt right back to the person who fired it.

2. I agree. But Neo's abilities are tied to the Matrix. Put Neo into Luke's universe and he only has the fighting skills the computer loaded into his brain. Did you miss this point earlier?

Stop being an illogical subjective fanboy. (P.S. yeah...I'm not serious about that last comment. I'm mocking you betch.)

1.actually they could fight that fast, hence when the yslow time to catch their moves, in his fight with agent smith it was slowed to suc ha degree that the lightning was moving slower than them

2. that what I saidin the first mode this fight is as if neo is linked to the matrix, the only thing is luke is fighting as if he were in the real world, hence luke can't really affect him with his powers( reprogramming him and such)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
see, you are only acknowledging SOME of Lukes powers, not all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers#Light

FORCE PROTECTION - A power generally only achieved by high-ranking Jedi masters, Force protection will make the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of physical weapons, energy weapons, and Force powers. The ultimate in terms of defense.

FORCE BLINDING-Force Blinding is a light side Force power. It emanates what appears as a blinding flash of energy, overloading the target's vision and causing temporary blindness. A powerful tool of the light side, a Jedi can obfuscate an opponent's sight, making it difficult for the adversary to spot and attack the Jedi

DISIPATE ENERGY-Dissipate Energy (or Absorb)- The ability to disperse Force energy, and to even absorb or redirect it. A trained Jedi may contain the energy of all kinds of Force attacks used against them. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers is limited, a Jedi can use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.

PRECOGNITION - Certain devotees of the Force are gifted in the ability to sense extreme danger however subtle it is, and receive ample warning to defend against the threat.



And these powers are only the tip of the iceberg, I only listed FOUR of them. Imagine if Luke uses as many as he wants?

And the fact that Luke will KNOW what Neo is gonna do BEFORE Neo does it is all the edge Luke needs. Doesnt matter if Neo hits with the force of a freight train, Luke will have sensed it, he will have realized it even as Neo thinks it, and will EASILY be able to evade.

Sure, Neo can take a shitload of punishment, kicks and punches, but if Luke lops off aleg or an arm, you think Neo is gonna be the same? Not to mention his head.

Face it, man. Neo is stronger physically, prolly faster, but Luke has WAY too many weapons at his disposal.

force protection, has it show the ability to survive a being moving a 3x the speed of sound attacking him or the type of drop neo took when fighting against smith

force blinding, neo doesnt need to see, even in the real world he used his matrix powers to "see" without his eyes

disipate energy, neo has no energy attacks

precognition, already adressed, it doesnt matter if luke has already sensed it if he cant react to defend it and neo has a form of precognition too

In the matrix Neo would end luke within seconds. Out of the matrix, luke would end Neo within seconds. Neo can only utilize his abilities on machines when outside of the matrix and even then, his abilities are only a fraction of what they are when in the matrix

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
In the matrix Neo would end luke within seconds. Out of the matrix, luke would end Neo within seconds. Neo can only utilize his abilities on machines when outside of the matrix and even then, his abilities are only a fraction of what they are when in the matrix

The logical premise would be that they can use all their powers to their full potential, regardless of where they are, and as much as the Luke fanboys ignore it, Neo is Godlike in power.

Originally posted by Robtard
He can fly at Luke at 3390 feet per second and hit him, that is all that would be needed.


Originally posted by Robtard
Oddly, blaster bolts travel slower than bullets, at least seen from the movies, it doesn't make sense, but it is what it is.

Hmm....*searches google*


I concede that point. I really can't see a blaster bolt traveling as fast as a bullet on any searches on the internet.(some fanboy bs...but that is just about it) Other than some choreography errors which showed destruction from a blaster bolt before it actually hit the surface, there is no proof other than the visuals provided in the movie. They don't travel very fast...maybe 500 mph. I would love to see an expert dissect several scenes which show that in one scene, a blaster bolt travels very fast (like at the Battle of Hoth) and in another scene, blaster bolts travel at like 100 mph.(like in the Trash Compactor Scene when Han Solo "shoots first".) So this point is yours until later.

Also, here is a nice nerdy, yet funny, read about the trash compactor on the Death Star.

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-205501.html

Originally posted by Robtard
There you go again, you're using Luke at his max potential while gimping Neo to the point where he is weaker. As Bardock42 noted, if weaken Neo to be less powerful than Luke, than Luke will be stornger. In that special scenario, Luke wins. Yay for you.

Indeed. I said IF you put Luke in Neo's matrix...Neo wins...but not by a ridiculous landslide. You put Neo in Luke's universe, Luke rapes Neo without effort.

Luke's abilities would carry, somewhat, into the Matrix because of his precog abilities. Luke would/should last for a while..until he realizes that Neo Cannot be killed in his Universe.

Originally posted by Robtard
Get your own material, plagerist.

Seriously, I have no idea what you were referring to right there.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Indeed. I said IF you put Luke in Neo's matrix...Neo wins...but not by a ridiculous landslide. You put Neo in Luke's universe, Luke rapes Neo without effort.

Originally posted by Robtard
The logical premise would be that they can use all their powers to their full potential, regardless of where they are, and as much as the Luke fanboys ignore it, Neo is Godlike in power.