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Fight takes place in an empty city. Teams get info on the opposing teams and 1 hour to prep and strategize tactics. This is strictly unarmed combat. No equipment or weapons allowed.




Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon

versus

Captain America (no shield), Daredevil (no billyclub), Wolverine (no claws) and Iron Fist (no Chi usage)

I'm pretty sure IF w/o chi is pretty average, I don't think he is even peak human. You mean chi usage as in using ironfist, etc?

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm pretty sure IF w/o chi is pretty average, I don't think he is even peak human. You mean chi usage as in using ironfist, etc? isn't he still a top rate fighter?

I'm trying to reduce this to completely a match of MA and fighting ability and trying to remove powers and weapons out of it.

He's still a top rate fighter without chi powers, yeah. I'm pretty sure anyway.

I'm assuming that if Wolverine has no claws he ha no adamantium skeleton but still has healing factor?

Probably team 2 by a hair, because the League of Assassins team all completely specialise in martial arts, and while they may be damn good at it, the Marvel team are more all-round with skills and would perhaps work together better.

Originally posted by Etrigan
He's still a top rate fighter without chi powers, yeah. I'm pretty sure anyway.

I'm assuming that if Wolverine has no claws he ha no adamantium skeleton but still has healing factor?

Probably team 2 by a hair, because the League of Assassins team all completely specialise in martial arts, and while they may be damn good at it, the Marvel team are more all-round with skills and would perhaps work together better. wolverine keeps his adamantium skeleton

also, I figure the League of Assassins would work better since they are the top assassins in the world and have worked together before

Originally posted by Master-Borg
also, I figure the League of Assassins would work better since they are the top assassins in the world and have worked together before

Does Cassandra have her body language prediction moves? They would rival DD's senses.

Originally posted by Etrigan
Does Cassandra have her body language prediction moves? They would rival DD's senses. yes

Originally posted by Master-Borg
wolverine keeps his adamantium skeleton

also, I figure the League of Assassins would work better since they are the top assassins in the world and have worked together before

Well as far as working together, DD and Fist have done so on many occasions. Cap is also familiar with each of his teammates and has teamed up with them more than once. I dont think there would be any unfamiliarity with the group.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well as far as working together, DD and Fist have done so on many occasions. Cap is also familiar with each of his teammates and has teamed up with them more than once. I dont think there would be any unfamiliarity with the group. oh I agree, team Marvel won't have trouble working together at all...I just think that the League of Assassins will be slightly better at working and coordinating...they've worked together and trained together

Having trained together could indeed give the League the edge.

Which of the League fighting here would you say is the best MA fighter? Because it may eventually come down to that person and Wolverinein a battle, or maybe Fist.

Originally posted by Etrigan


Which of the League fighting here would you say is the best MA fighter? Because it may eventually come down to that person and Wolverinein a battle, or maybe Fist. Don't know, I'm actually not that familiar with them...but they're all pretty much toptier fighters

you should allow chi, perhaps jsut not the IF

Of course.

But I still say team Marvel, they make a perfect all-round team with Cap's strength and battle tactics, Fist's more mystical martial arts experience, DD's acrobatics, senses and focus, and Wolverine's durability and.... yeah.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Fight takes place in an empty city. Teams get info on the opposing teams and 1 hour to prep and strategize tactics. This is strictly unarmed combat. No equipment or weapons allowed.




Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon

versus

Captain America (no shield), Daredevil (no billyclub), Wolverine (no claws) and Iron Fist (no Chi usage)
Team two with out a doubt.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Team two with out a doubt. I'm not so sure, I think personally the Assassins are better fighters as a group, but Marvel team has more physical advantages (Wolverine's HF, Cap's SSS)

Yeah, that's why I think the Marvel team would win.

I'd say Wolverine and Danny were the best genuine martial artists there though.

Lady Shiva plucks their eyes out. The only threat there is Iron Fist.

i not even sure all thoses dc people have foughten along side one another.


wolverine and capt were running missions togather before most of the assassin memebers were born.

Every single individual on marvel side has foughten side by side and 3 of them fought on a team togather.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Lady Shiva plucks their eyes out. The only threat there is Iron Fist.
hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ah


you must be joking.

wolverine still gets his adamantium skeleton i see that as a weapon have you ever been hit with brass knucs (its not fun) imagine that coming from an, elbow, head butt, knee, from wolverine of all ppl and u get a weapon most definitely, um caps done just fine without the shield, same goes for iron fist and the chi usage, DD and the billy club if wolvie keeps the adamantium imma give team 2 9/10 without it 5.5-6/10

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ah


you must be joking.

Uh, okay, since you think it's a joke...guess that means Iron Fist is a joke then.

Therefore....DC team smokes the marvel top fighters AND that joke of Iron Fist.

where is shang-chi?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Uh, okay, since you think it's a joke...guess that means Iron Fist is a joke then.

Therefore....DC team smokes the marvel top fighters AND that joke of Iron Fist.

hahahahaahahahahahahahahaha.

dc not winning this nor is lady shive beating really any one in marvel. She has no chances of beating wolverine any majority or really at all. She really has no chances of beating IF. Captain America will beat her the majority as well a solid one. Hell DD the only one that may loses and even he likly to take the majority.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahahaahahahahahahahahaha.

dc not winning this nor is lady shive beating really any one in marvel. She has no chances of beating wolverine any majority or really at all. She really has no chances of beating IF. Captain America will beat her the majority as well a solid one. Hell DD the only one that may loses and even he likly to take the majority.

Uh-huh....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Lady Shiva plucks their eyes out. The only threat there is Iron Fist.

just an awful statement which I hope is a joke, becuases if it is serous thats just wrong.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Uh-huh....

what? was I not clear enough?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
just an awful statement which I hope is a joke, becuases if it is serous thats just wrong.

So you think that Iron Fist being a threat is just seriously wrong...


Uh-kay....

(zoom)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So you think that Iron Fist being a threat is just seriously wrong...


Uh-kay....

(zoom)

.........are you really that denses?


And yes I don't care that your a mod that was just a stupid comment.


I not disagreeing that IF is a threat I am disagreeing that he the only threat and that lady shiva is able to get the majority from pritty much any of them let a lone pluck there eyes out..............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what? was I not clear enough?

No.

.................your not the most perceptive person are you?

LADY SHIVA IS NOT GOING TO RIPP ANY ONES EYE OUT. HELL IM NOT EVEN SURE SHE COULD TAKE ANY ONE ON THE MARVEL SIDE THE MAJORITY. IRON FIST IS NOT THE ONLY THREAT ON MARVELS SIDE.

lol

....

What's with the Caps Lock?

Oh, well...we'll leave it at that....

............I hope to god this is a joke, becuases if it not I am honestly a little worried that you are the mod.

No, he's probably right. Danny is the only one who can take Shiva on team 2. She's on a class of her own.

Just be glad Bruce didn't put Prometheus in this.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............I hope to god this is a joke, becuases if it not I am honestly a little worried that you are the mod.

I hope to god you know what you're talking about....geesh!

lol

marvel shiva scare me more then she does lol.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I hope to god you know what you're talking about....geesh!
......................................................

battlehammer, to be fair, you aren't very familiar with the DC fighters right?

Not as well as marvel, but I know a good deal about them. I had to after I got BS to a bunch of times.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So...not too familiar with Marvel Fighters and not too familiar with DC League of Assassins....

I insist...

(Zoooom!)
.................wtf are you babling about.


I know vastly more about marvel fighters then you do.

Lady Shiva has beaten pretty much every top tier martial artist/fighter on DC Earth (except Karate Kid).

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.................wtf are you babling about.


I know vastly more about marvel fighters then you do. dude what are you responding to?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.................wtf are you babling about.


I know vastly more about marvel fighters then you do.



Clever....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Clever....
.........what?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Lady Shiva has beaten pretty much every top tier martial artist/fighter on DC Earth (except Karate Kid).

yea and?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
dude what are you responding to?

The child is losing it...better leave him alone.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
dude what are you responding to?
lol I wonder the same thing, but I know what happen now. He a mod, he has the ability to completely get rid of a post, not simply edit it like we do.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The child is losing it...better leave him alone.

pleases, I know what you did.

LOA wins. They are killers all of them. kill with their bare hands. If we started uploading scans where shiva bronze dragon and cass have gutted, slit someones throat knocked someone unconcious broken someones jaw with a TOUCH. we'd be here all day.

LOA one shots ftw.

Wolverine is pretty much defeated with his eyes plucked out and the brain tissue ripped out through the sockets.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
you should allow chi, perhaps jsut not the IF

Yeah even Cap has chi.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.................your not the most perceptive person are you?

LADY SHIVA IS NOT GOING TO RIPP ANY ONES EYE OUT. HELL IM NOT EVEN SURE SHE COULD TAKE ANY ONE ON THE MARVEL SIDE THE MAJORITY. IRON FIST IS NOT THE ONLY THREAT ON MARVELS SIDE.

Lol im in agreement here. lmao

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea and?

With all due respect BattleHammer, in the same way you say that people under-estimate Wolverine you are underestimating Lady Shiva. And saying 'yea and' to her basically taking on (and being) at the top tier of DC fighters (sans Karate Kid ofcourse) makes it seem as if you are saying that DC martial exponents are jokes.

The truth of the matter is they are not, and also that Shiva is definitely in the top 3 (depending on where you put Cassie and Richard, with the three of them forming some sort of DC martial arts Trimurti, and at any given time any of them bearing the right to say they are the best ....of course, without including Karate Kid).

Wolverine has decades of fighting skill, Steve has his super-soldier serum, Iron Fist has all those martial skills and kunda-whatever ......but just saying that is all that is required, and that Shiva is a joke, makes it appear that your knowledge of DC martial artists is quite limited.

For one, someone like Dragon is basically Shang Chi. They are basically analogous.

Pick any Batgirl comic and you will realize that calling her feats peak human is some sort of internal DC joke. In terms of speed and strength she had people thinking she was meta (there are some interesting scans of her blitzing people), and in terms of fighting ability and extra-sensory perception she doesn't have superiors. Let's say she would make the Midnighter proud in appearing super-meta, and she would make Daredevil (were she his daughter) glow.

As for Shiva ....she doesn't need to pluck out eyes. Her favorite killing strike is simply driving her fingers into someone's forehead, through his skull, and into his brain. And in terms of skill she is ridiculous.

Now, I am not saying they would win (I honestly could care less for this fight ....I have no dog in it). But let me put it this way .....I own every single thing that Richard Dragon has appeared in (even the old stuff, but I especially love his mini-series that was superb, and that highlighted a good number of DC martial artists, including Shiva, Dragon ofcourse, Green Arrow, Bronze Tiger, the Monkey cult, and others). I own a lot of stuff with Shiva in it, and I own almost everything with Batgirl bar a copy here or there.

As for the marvel characters, I own a lot of Wolverine, I know a lot on Steve, and as for Iron Fist i have some of his stuff (although i have to admit it is the OLDER stuff). And even though he is not here, I have a good deal of Shang Chi's appearances.

And let me put it this way ....you may claim that you tried to read up on some of the DC characters because people were BSing you, but I am telling you no BS ......the DC characters are not jokes. Even Bronze Tiger was messing up Batman big time! And people like Shiva (apart from the ridiculous time where she was knocked out by Batman when she was mind controlled, or the time she was hit with a chair by Talia ....whcih was stupid ....she has a flawless record. The only people who match her are Dragon, who should have beaten her before the fight was fouled and she ended up driving her fingers through his skull, and Cassie, who managed to defeat the 'paper monkey')

Obviously no need to mention Karate Kid.

And more on Shiva, there is a reason she has cults who worship her as the god of Death (maybe instead of calling her Shiva they should have called her Kali Ma)

Anyways:

You saying 'pooh pooh' at Shiva is tantamount to me saying that Wolverine's healing factor is $h!tty, and that his adamantium claws cannot cut through anything harder than tempered steel!

In essence .....absolutely fallacious to the point of being stupid.

Marvel has great martial artists, but making it seem as if one of the premier fighters in DC is a joke is the same as me saying that Wolverine (using him since you specialize with him) would be beaten up by Tim Drake/Robin.

The same level of astonishment you would get at such a ridiculous statement is the same one i get (after reading, and owning, many of the issues with Richard Dragon, Wolverine, Shiva, Captain America, Batgirl, and OLD Iron Fist) when i hear you say DC martial artists are so useless that Shiva is a 'so what.'

Trust me, they can beat the marvel guys with as much ease as the marvel guys can beat the DC guys.

And apart from Wolverine, the Marvel guys generally do not kill.

The DC guys are known as part of the league of assassins for a reason.

And they specialize in killing masters and hard to kill types.

It could go either way, but most importantly, making the DC fighters seem like useless whelps that even Bucky could beat up stinks of high bias.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Lady Shiva has beaten pretty much every top tier martial artist/fighter on DC Earth (except Karate Kid).

Dragon > Shiva

WrathfulDwarf you are so knowledgeable.

Originally posted by spetznaz
With all due respect BattleHammer, in the same way you say that people under-estimate Wolverine you are underestimating Lady Shiva. And saying 'yea and' to her basically taking on (and being) at the top tier of DC fighters (sans Karate Kid ofcourse) makes it seem as if you are saying that DC martial exponents are jokes.

The truth of the matter is they are not, and also that Shiva is definitely in the top 3 (depending on where you put Cassie and Richard, with the three of them forming some sort of DC martial arts Trimurti, and at any given time any of them bearing the right to say they are the best ....of course, without including Karate Kid).

Wolverine has decades of fighting skill, Steve has his super-soldier serum, Iron Fist has all those martial skills and kunda-whatever ......but just saying that is all that is required, and that Shiva is a joke, makes it appear that your knowledge of DC martial artists is quite limited.

For one, someone like Dragon is basically Shang Chi. They are basically analogous.

Pick any Batgirl comic and you will realize that calling her feats peak human is some sort of internal DC joke. In terms of speed and strength she had people thinking she was meta (there are some interesting scans of her blitzing people), and in terms of fighting ability and extra-sensory perception she doesn't have superiors. Let's say she would make the Midnighter proud in appearing super-meta, and she would make Daredevil (were she his daughter) glow.

As for Shiva ....she doesn't need to pluck out eyes. Her favorite killing strike is simply driving her fingers into someone's forehead, through his skull, and into his brain. And in terms of skill she is ridiculous.

Now, I am not saying they would win (I honestly could care less for this fight ....I have no dog in it). But let me put it this way .....I own every single thing that Richard Dragon has appeared in (even the old stuff, but I especially love his mini-series that was superb, and that highlighted a good number of DC martial artists, including Shiva, Dragon ofcourse, Green Arrow, Bronze Tiger, the Monkey cult, and others). I own a lot of stuff with Shiva in it, and I own almost everything with Batgirl bar a copy here or there.

As for the marvel characters, I own a lot of Wolverine, I know a lot on Steve, and as for Iron Fist i have some of his stuff (although i have to admit it is the OLDER stuff). And even though he is not here, I have a good deal of Shang Chi's appearances.

And let me put it this way ....you may claim that you tried to read up on some of the DC characters because people were BSing you, but I am telling you no BS ......the DC characters are not jokes. Even Bronze Tiger was messing up Batman big time! And people like Shiva (apart from the ridiculous time where she was knocked out by Batman when she was mind controlled, or the time she was hit with a chair by Talia ....whcih was stupid ....she has a flawless record. The only people who match her are Dragon, who should have beaten her before the fight was fouled and she ended up driving her fingers through his skull, and Cassie, who managed to defeat the 'paper monkey')

Obviously no need to mention Karate Kid.

And more on Shiva, there is a reason she has cults who worship her as the god of Death (maybe instead of calling her Shiva they should have called her Kali Ma)

Anyways:

You saying 'pooh pooh' at Shiva is tantamount to me saying that Wolverine's healing factor is $h!tty, and that his adamantium claws cannot cut through anything harder than tempered steel!

In essence .....absolutely fallacious to the point of being stupid.

Marvel has great martial artists, but making it seem as if one of the premier fighters in DC is a joke is the same as me saying that Wolverine (using him since you specialize with him) would be beaten up by Tim Drake/Robin.

The same level of astonishment you would get at such a ridiculous statement is the same one i get (after reading, and owning, many of the issues with Richard Dragon, Wolverine, Shiva, Captain America, Batgirl, and OLD Iron Fist) when i hear you say DC martial artists are so useless that Shiva is a 'so what.'

Trust me, they can beat the marvel guys with as much ease as the marvel guys can beat the DC guys.

And apart from Wolverine, the Marvel guys generally do not kill.

The DC guys are known as part of the league of assassins for a reason.

And they specialize in killing masters and hard to kill types.

It could go either way, but most importantly, making the DC fighters seem like useless whelps that even Bucky could beat up stinks of high bias.
This really is far to longer and over all unneed.

I was not saying nor impying that lady shiva is not a top tier fighter or dangerous. Nor was I saying she not a threat. I was saying she not going to be tearing out wolverine or capt or DD eyes.

And when I said "yea and" I ment what was the point intelling me all that when I already know it. It still will not change the fact she going to loses vs wolverine or capt and DD and her could go either way.

You speculations I on what I was saying are simply wrong. Also have you read bucky currently? He a beast and one of the best fighters in the marvel universes.

Originally posted by Mindset
WrathfulDwarf you are so knowledgeable.

Thank you.

Can I help you?

I think its a really close fight. Wolverine throws a wrench in the gears because of his skeleton and healing factor, but I think DC takes 6/10.

It could go either way.

team 1 wins

Originally posted by spetznaz
With all due respect BattleHammer, in the same way you say that people under-estimate Wolverine you are underestimating Lady Shiva. And saying 'yea and' to her basically taking on (and being) at the top tier of DC fighters (sans Karate Kid ofcourse) makes it seem as if you are saying that DC martial exponents are jokes.

The truth of the matter is they are not, and also that Shiva is definitely in the top 3 (depending on where you put Cassie and Richard, with the three of them forming some sort of DC martial arts Trimurti, and at any given time any of them bearing the right to say they are the best ....of course, without including Karate Kid).

Wolverine has decades of fighting skill, Steve has his super-soldier serum, Iron Fist has all those martial skills and kunda-whatever ......but just saying that is all that is required, and that Shiva is a joke, makes it appear that your knowledge of DC martial artists is quite limited.

For one, someone like Dragon is basically Shang Chi. They are basically analogous.

Pick any Batgirl comic and you will realize that calling her feats peak human is some sort of internal DC joke. In terms of speed and strength she had people thinking she was meta (there are some interesting scans of her blitzing people), and in terms of fighting ability and extra-sensory perception she doesn't have superiors. Let's say she would make the Midnighter proud in appearing super-meta, and she would make Daredevil (were she his daughter) glow.

As for Shiva ....she doesn't need to pluck out eyes. Her favorite killing strike is simply driving her fingers into someone's forehead, through his skull, and into his brain. And in terms of skill she is ridiculous.

Now, I am not saying they would win (I honestly could care less for this fight ....I have no dog in it). But let me put it this way .....I own every single thing that Richard Dragon has appeared in (even the old stuff, but I especially love his mini-series that was superb, and that highlighted a good number of DC martial artists, including Shiva, Dragon ofcourse, Green Arrow, Bronze Tiger, the Monkey cult, and others). I own a lot of stuff with Shiva in it, and I own almost everything with Batgirl bar a copy here or there.

As for the marvel characters, I own a lot of Wolverine, I know a lot on Steve, and as for Iron Fist i have some of his stuff (although i have to admit it is the OLDER stuff). And even though he is not here, I have a good deal of Shang Chi's appearances.

And let me put it this way ....you may claim that you tried to read up on some of the DC characters because people were BSing you, but I am telling you no BS ......the DC characters are not jokes. Even Bronze Tiger was messing up Batman big time! And people like Shiva (apart from the ridiculous time where she was knocked out by Batman when she was mind controlled, or the time she was hit with a chair by Talia ....whcih was stupid ....she has a flawless record. The only people who match her are Dragon, who should have beaten her before the fight was fouled and she ended up driving her fingers through his skull, and Cassie, who managed to defeat the 'paper monkey')

Obviously no need to mention Karate Kid.

And more on Shiva, there is a reason she has cults who worship her as the god of Death (maybe instead of calling her Shiva they should have called her Kali Ma)

Anyways:

You saying 'pooh pooh' at Shiva is tantamount to me saying that Wolverine's healing factor is $h!tty, and that his adamantium claws cannot cut through anything harder than tempered steel!

In essence .....absolutely fallacious to the point of being stupid.

Marvel has great martial artists, but making it seem as if one of the premier fighters in DC is a joke is the same as me saying that Wolverine (using him since you specialize with him) would be beaten up by Tim Drake/Robin.

The same level of astonishment you would get at such a ridiculous statement is the same one i get (after reading, and owning, many of the issues with Richard Dragon, Wolverine, Shiva, Captain America, Batgirl, and OLD Iron Fist) when i hear you say DC martial artists are so useless that Shiva is a 'so what.'

Trust me, they can beat the marvel guys with as much ease as the marvel guys can beat the DC guys.

And apart from Wolverine, the Marvel guys generally do not kill.

The DC guys are known as part of the league of assassins for a reason.

And they specialize in killing masters and hard to kill types.

It could go either way, but most importantly, making the DC fighters seem like useless whelps that even Bucky could beat up stinks of high bias.

This guy is good.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Thank you.

Can I help you?

Go to sleep and NEVER wake up.

League of Assassins team wins this.

You know what? Dragon could probably put down Daredevil and Wolverine by himself.

hahahahahahhhahahahah there no way that would happen.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Fight takes place in an empty city. Teams get info on the opposing teams and 1 hour to prep and strategize tactics. This is strictly unarmed combat. No equipment or weapons allowed.




Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon

versus

Captain America (no shield), Daredevil (no billyclub), Wolverine (no claws) and Iron Fist (no Chi usage)

Martial artistry be damned ... without weapons there's no way the DC team can put Wolverine down for longer than a few seconds .... given that Cap is stronger/faster/smarter than any of them their chances of winning are slim to none.

Marvel FTW.

It takes Hulk to beat the shit of Wolverine, and even after that, he come back for more. Wolverine destroy team 1, with a little help of good ol' Cap.

Wtf are they going to do to Logan? Nothing.

Like how I answer my own questions? Of course you do.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wtf are they going to do to Logan? Nothing.

Like how I answer my own questions? Of course you do.




Now this is the most funniest post that I have read on kmc. Thanks for waking me up mindset. That was some comedy sh**.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Martial artistry be damned ... without weapons there's no way the DC team can put Wolverine down for longer than a few seconds .... given that Cap is stronger/faster/smarter than any of them their chances of winning are slim to none.

Marvel FTW.
cosigned thats what I am saying.

Wolverine, Capt, IF are just as skileld as DC but phyically superior in many other ways.

Then there weakest member is on the level of DC group and has the ability to predict his opponets move before they make them as good if not better then DC best.

Originally posted by spetznaz
With all due respect BattleHammer, in the same way you say that people under-estimate Wolverine you are underestimating Lady Shiva. And saying 'yea and' to her basically taking on (and being) at the top tier of DC fighters (sans Karate Kid ofcourse) makes it seem as if you are saying that DC martial exponents are jokes.

The truth of the matter is they are not, and also that Shiva is definitely in the top 3 (depending on where you put Cassie and Richard, with the three of them forming some sort of DC martial arts Trimurti, and at any given time any of them bearing the right to say they are the best ....of course, without including Karate Kid).

Wolverine has decades of fighting skill, Steve has his super-soldier serum, Iron Fist has all those martial skills and kunda-whatever ......but just saying that is all that is required, and that Shiva is a joke, makes it appear that your knowledge of DC martial artists is quite limited.

For one, someone like Dragon is basically Shang Chi. They are basically analogous.

Pick any Batgirl comic and you will realize that calling her feats peak human is some sort of internal DC joke. In terms of speed and strength she had people thinking she was meta (there are some interesting scans of her blitzing people), and in terms of fighting ability and extra-sensory perception she doesn't have superiors. Let's say she would make the Midnighter proud in appearing super-meta, and she would make Daredevil (were she his daughter) glow.

As for Shiva ....she doesn't need to pluck out eyes. Her favorite killing strike is simply driving her fingers into someone's forehead, through his skull, and into his brain. And in terms of skill she is ridiculous.

Now, I am not saying they would win (I honestly could care less for this fight ....I have no dog in it). But let me put it this way .....I own every single thing that Richard Dragon has appeared in (even the old stuff, but I especially love his mini-series that was superb, and that highlighted a good number of DC martial artists, including Shiva, Dragon ofcourse, Green Arrow, Bronze Tiger, the Monkey cult, and others). I own a lot of stuff with Shiva in it, and I own almost everything with Batgirl bar a copy here or there.

As for the marvel characters, I own a lot of Wolverine, I know a lot on Steve, and as for Iron Fist i have some of his stuff (although i have to admit it is the OLDER stuff). And even though he is not here, I have a good deal of Shang Chi's appearances.

And let me put it this way ....you may claim that you tried to read up on some of the DC characters because people were BSing you, but I am telling you no BS ......the DC characters are not jokes. Even Bronze Tiger was messing up Batman big time! And people like Shiva (apart from the ridiculous time where she was knocked out by Batman when she was mind controlled, or the time she was hit with a chair by Talia ....whcih was stupid ....she has a flawless record. The only people who match her are Dragon, who should have beaten her before the fight was fouled and she ended up driving her fingers through his skull, and Cassie, who managed to defeat the 'paper monkey')

Obviously no need to mention Karate Kid.

And more on Shiva, there is a reason she has cults who worship her as the god of Death (maybe instead of calling her Shiva they should have called her Kali Ma)

Anyways:

You saying 'pooh pooh' at Shiva is tantamount to me saying that Wolverine's healing factor is $h!tty, and that his adamantium claws cannot cut through anything harder than tempered steel!

In essence .....absolutely fallacious to the point of being stupid.

Marvel has great martial artists, but making it seem as if one of the premier fighters in DC is a joke is the same as me saying that Wolverine (using him since you specialize with him) would be beaten up by Tim Drake/Robin.

The same level of astonishment you would get at such a ridiculous statement is the same one i get (after reading, and owning, many of the issues with Richard Dragon, Wolverine, Shiva, Captain America, Batgirl, and OLD Iron Fist) when i hear you say DC martial artists are so useless that Shiva is a 'so what.'

Trust me, they can beat the marvel guys with as much ease as the marvel guys can beat the DC guys.

And apart from Wolverine, the Marvel guys generally do not kill.

The DC guys are known as part of the league of assassins for a reason.

And they specialize in killing masters and hard to kill types.

It could go either way, but most importantly, making the DC fighters seem like useless whelps that even Bucky could beat up stinks of high bias.

Well heres the thing. I dont see LOA os getting stomped but I dont see how they win. In general marvel street level feats >>> DC level feats.

I dont know that much about Lady Shiva but some people think shes as good as Batman or slightly better. At the end of the day everybody on the marvel side has better feats than Batman.

Cassie? I have lots of comics with Batgirl in it her feats are boring compared to marvel but I could be wrong. She did have a fight with Batman and was not able to take him down, so im assuming thats shes not as good as Batman?

I dont know about Richard Dragon but if you are comparing him to Shang Chi its been stated that Cap is better than Shang.

I dont know anything about Bronze Tiger but im assuming she is comparable to Batman and basically everybody on the marvel side has feats that are superior to Batman.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Martial artistry be damned ... without weapons there's no way the DC team can put Wolverine down for longer than a few seconds .... given that Cap is stronger/faster/smarter than any of them their chances of winning are slim to none.

Marvel FTW.

You can say that again.

Originally posted by Mindset
Go to sleep and NEVER wake up.

Where is the Milk and Cookies?

You better told me a story too so I can go to sleep. schmoll

Team Two wins; purely because they have enhancements in addition to their h2h skill.

All things being equal bar their skill, it would go either way.