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First round. Classic Hulk.
Second. WWHulk.

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sorry i was reading some scans and red hulk is not a version of green hulk/banner but someone else? wtf is he?

It's properly General Ross

Whats the difference?

Damn I'm not really a huge Hulk fan and haven't really been keeping up with all this but I was really really hoping it would be Banner. He should be the only Hulk IMO.

So anybody know for sure if its not Rick either?

Rick is the new Abomination or "A-Bomb" as he calls himself

Originally posted by Lord Feron
sorry i was reading some scans and red hulk is not a version of green hulk/banner but someone else? wtf is he? Frank Castle, apparently.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5703/rh1nt8.th.jpg

Just read the current issue, the next issue should be the shit.

There is already a Hulk vs Red Hulk thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=478120&pagenumber=1

I'm not sure if this thread is different enough to stay open.

Green is green, right? kinda

Originally posted by Badabing
There is already a Hulk vs Red Hulk thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=478120&pagenumber=1

I'm not sure if this thread is different enough to stay open.

Maybe merge mine with that one but have mine the opening post so there are some clarafictions like having it both Hulks.

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's probably General Ross


now that you mention it, that would make complete sense, I mean the gun and how it was shield issue means that this is either Ross or Fury... but I think it's Ross.

Originally posted by Galan007
Frank Castle, apparently.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5703/rh1nt8.th.jpg castle? punisher rips 250kg guns off their mounts on a usual basis? seems more like master chief if anyone else.

i hope it's banner cause three hulks...what the fu*k?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
castle? punisher rips 250kg guns off their mounts on a usual basis? seems more like master chief if anyone else.

i hope it's banner cause three hulks...what the fu*k?

We know for a fact it isn't Banner. Where are you getting a third Hulk from?

well we have banner in a cell (I think?) and the red one, then this dumb green one now.

unless marvel is finally seperating hulk from banner, looks like three hulks....?

That's Banner

Loeb forgot about WWH.

I'm really wanting to see scans of this last issue.

Nice feat for RedHulk. Then we see that Banner is still Green.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3015.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3016.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3017.jpg

"I'M MY OWN MONSTER!"
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3022.jpg

Big Dumb Hulk
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3024.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's Banner

Loeb forgot about WWH. is it not a continuation?

nevermind...i didn't see that scan before.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
is it not a continuation?

It should be. Loeb either forgot that PlanetHulk involved Hulk getting smart or has some sort of revelation to make.

Near bottom of page:

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nice feat for RedHulk. Then we see that Banner is still Green.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3015.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3016.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3017.jpg

"I'M MY OWN MONSTER!"
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3022.jpg

Big Dumb Hulk
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/th_Hulk3024.jpg

maybe it's glen talbot

It's the reintroduction of Savage Hulk, not WWH.. and I personally think Red Hulk is either from Planet Hulk, on Sakaar or it's Ryker

red hulk kicked a-bomb and aboinations asses didnt he?

Red Hulk killed Emil. Battle seemed even vs Rick. He killed a Wendigo and easily could've killed Jen

Fights the Green Hulk, Thor makes an appearance and Green Hulk again in issue #6

He's supposed to push back Cain Marko. May have eye beams and reality warping powers as Ed and Joesph promise more incredible feats for him or her

Originally posted by guy222
Red Hulk killed Emil. Battle seemed even vs Rick. He killed a Wendigo and easily could've killed Jen

Fights the Green Hulk, Thor makes an appearance and Green Hulk again in issue #6

He's supposed to push back Cain Marko. May have eye beams and reality warping powers as Ed and Joesph promise more incredible feats for him or her
seems like red hulk would beat classic hulk easy then, and as for WWhulk, Idk but it'd be an awesome fight

WWH vs Red be awesome

Red Hulk will prolly embarass Savage Hulk and Thor and Hulk should win the rematch. I hope

it's either betty, talbot, or ross.

Agreed

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's either betty, talbot, or ross.

G. Ross I think

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's either betty, talbot, or ross.

Betty?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Betty? sure why not? look at any hardcore female bodybuilder, they lose femininity the larger they become, at hulk size no woman would look feminine any longer.

most likely it's talbot or ross but i wouldn't rule out red hulk being a female.

but betty wouldnt call him banner, she'd call him bruce
ross or talbot would call him banner,
i think/kinda hope its ross

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/465203_Journey_in_to_mystery112-06.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/465204_Journey_in_to_mystery112-07.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/465205_Journey_in_to_mystery112-08.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/465206_Journey_in_to_mystery112-09.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/465207_Journey_in_to_mystery112-10.jpg
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not sure if red was actually stronger or simply more skilled. he took greeny down with a choke-hold. that shows strength, no doubt, but also some nice skill.

red v thor otta be interesting. i for one am actually enjoying the saga.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure if red was actually stronger or simply more skilled. he took greeny down with a choke-hold. that shows strength, no doubt, but also some nice skill.

red v thor otta be interesting. i for one am actually enjoying the saga.

I was wondering the same thing. I can't tell if he is stronger or has more skill. When Red Hulk fought Wendigo he seemed to just be both...stronger and a way better fighter.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure if red was actually stronger or simply more skilled. he took greeny down with a choke-hold. that shows strength, no doubt, but also some nice skill.

red v thor otta be interesting. i for one am actually enjoying the saga.

You're enjoying that shitty writing?

well, in the electromagnetic spectrum, gamma radiation is only surpassed by cosmic radiation. maybe thats what is powering our red friend.

-seems more powerful than savage hulk
-heat powers
-(supposed) eye beams
-(supposed) reality warping

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, in the electromagnetic spectrum, gamma radiation is only surpassed by cosmic radiation. maybe thats what is powering our red friend.

-seems more powerful than savage hulk
-heat powers
-(supposed) eye beams
-(supposed) reality warping

I thought gamma radiation and cosmic radiation were basically the same, you do get gamma radiation from stars correct? I need to do some reading up on the both, but from what I thought, they were basically or nearly the same thing.

Originally posted by llagrok
You're enjoying that shitty writing?

what do you think is so bad about it . . .?

there's a decent mystery, i'm intrigued by the character. not sure what's so . . . unlikeable about?

oh, and anyone: where did red beat wendigo?

Originally posted by leonidas
what do you think is so bad about it . . .?



The plot, the dialogue, the characterisation, the fact that Red Hulk seems to be unbeatable.

Originally posted by The Pict
The plot, the dialogue, the characterisation, the fact that Red Hulk seems to be unbeatable.

unbeatable? he didn't even beat a-bomb . . .

It's Loeb. Nuff said.

Originally posted by leonidas
unbeatable? he didn't even beat a-bomb . . .

He didn't lose either. And he's faced off against some of Marvel's top characters and beat the snot out of them.

That's my main issue with this comic Red Hulk just appears out of nowhere and starts beating up some of the strongest and/or established characters. Iron Man, She-Hulk, Abomination, Hulk. And he's owned the lot of them.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's Loeb. Nuff said.

yeah

beats death of the new gods, which i just finished and thought sucked monster ballz . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
beats death of the new gods, which i just finished and thought sucked monster ballz . . .

............You win. durfist

Originally posted by leonidas
beats death of the new gods, which i just finished and thought sucked monster ballz . . . really Red Hulk just knocked out a freakin watcher

Red Hulk said he was stronger than "Green" Savage Hulk, but that's not much of anything given Green/King Hulk could easily become exponentially stronger and keep becoming so, indefinitely.


Red Hulk couldn't kill Savage Hulk, which he acknowledged by the whole "change of plans" thing and how he wanted Hulk to suffer the indignity of living and knowing that he is no longer the strongest one there is...

the writing's pretty atrocious and confused, so many suspect/false steps you can't differentiate between the intentional fake-outs and the ignorant screw-ups (Hulk in a choke hold? Silver Surfer arm bar all over again , beating up a WATCHER - what next, Galactus?)...

I'm just hoping King Hulk returns and beats Red Hulk black and blue.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I thought gamma radiation and cosmic radiation were basically the same, you do get gamma radiation from stars correct? I need to do some reading up on the both, but from what I thought, they were basically or nearly the same thing.

i'll tell you some basics.

our sun sol gives off cosmic rays but not at the same quality as lets say a point singularity (black hole), or dwarf star does. those objects realest more and more potent hard particles. guys like the surfer get their energies from the universe itself, that means multiple sources than just our sun like superman does.

if you see an illustration of the e.spectrum x-rays have very close squiggles, that means the frequency is shorter and the movement of the particles more rapid. x- rays can travel through flesh and partly through bone, gamma rays can go through everything up to several feet of high grade concrete wrapped in steel, and even that isn't 100% safe.

cosmic rays on the other hand........................rape everything.
thats what the exosphere around earth is for.
(the aurora borialis is some of the particles that skim across the exosphere and lose some charge.)

hope this helped.

p.s. surfer>superman, by a large margin

Originally posted by janus77
Red Hulk couldn't kill Savage Hulk, which he acknowledged by the whole "change of plans" thing and how he wanted Hulk to suffer the indignity of living and knowing that he is no longer the strongest one there is...

Is it that he couldn't kill Bruce, or that fight went so far in his favor that he decided not to kill him.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Is it that he couldn't kill Bruce, or that fight went so far in his favor that he decided not to kill him.
it all depends on how ignorant Loeb plays it. in-cannon, you cannot kill Bruce, because Bruce IS the Hulk.


the way I saw it, Red Hulk wanted to "kill The Hulk" but realised that it wasn't possible. he talked of his thousands of plans for killing Hulk, but then finding it impossible to kill Hulk, he decided to change his plans and be content with being "stronger" than The Hulk.

1. Don't compare Red Hulk choking Green Hulk to the BLACK-****ING-PANTHER putting the SURFER in an arm-lock.

2. It wasn't because he couldn't kill the Hulk, it was because Rulk felt that the Hulk living knowing he wasn't the strongest there is was a fate worse than death.

Originally posted by iceman24567
really Red Hulk just knocked out a freakin watcher

this is no slight against you ice, but this is one reason why i think sometimes the forum is counter-productive to readers who simply want to enjoy a comic.

silly that he punched out a watcher? sure. but the scene was clearly tongue-in-cheek, i thought. here though, that scene is viewed as stupid in the extreme and an obvious case of pis and more crappy writing. i actually thought it was just funny.

i've read how people are afraid the scene was canon and that hulk people will use the scene in a debate as a feat. i find that hilarious. the forum over-analyzes things and sometimes (not always) takes the enjoyment out of just reading the book. at least imo.

oh, and what's worse -- loeb having hulk slug a watcher, or starlin's having superman stalemate and actually THREATEN a source-empowered (near-infinite powered) infinity-man . . .? that race is neck-and-neck imo, but i'll also say i actually enjoyed both scenes, ridiculous as they were. (the rest of dotng was awful though . . . i felt like i was reading marvel THE END all over again -- the only series i've read in the last couple years that i thought was WORSE than dotng . . . )

Originally posted by leonidas
what do you think is so bad about it . . .?

there's a decent mystery, i'm intrigued by the character. not sure what's so . . . unlikeable about?

oh, and anyone: where did red beat wendigo?

Really? No offense, but for such a great debater you have the worst taste in comics

The dialogue is one of the few things that really gets to me. "Shut the f*ck up"? and pretty much ALL of Tony Stark's comments. Don't even get me started on She-Hulk's appearance.

Then there's the mass of PIS. You've got a watcher somehow just standing there proclaiming his purpose without someone even asking. Even in Civil War all he did was pretty much stand there, and most of the time no one can see him. But even if we look past those things, he somehow lost all his powers. Forget the badass that took on Aron and their galaxy busting fight, here we have a class 100 punching 'n shit!

The awesome amount of PIS and lack of consistency is what gets to me. The guy has a hell of a time dealing with A-Bomb and Green Hulk, but you can bet your ass that Skyfather characters like The Watcher and Thor are going down.

Then there's Wendigo, who's living in a pack of Wendigo's for some reason and then there's the biggest clunker of them all. Green Hulk has somehow forgotten all the events following Peter Davis' and Greg Pak's days. Now "he am the strongest" and planet Hulk never happened.

And we're got the ridiculous set up of each comic. Red Hulk fights new guy, Red Hulk wins, clue regarding who Red hulk is and finally the arrival of a new opponent.

Originally posted by leonidas

silly that he punched out a watcher? sure. but the scene was clearly tongue-in-cheek, i thought. here though, that scene is viewed as stupid in the extreme and an obvious case of pis and more crappy writing. i actually thought it was just funny.


Agreed, entirely. The scene was made to be fun. And, dumb or not, it was funny to see the Watcher laying on the ground, eyes welling up like he was about to start bawling. Further; as painfully bad as the story and dialogue has been in the recent Hulk series, it has most certainly been entertaining. The numbers of books flying off the shelf support that assertion.

And, if nothing else, Loeb's shit-but-fun writing has us talking about it. No such thing as bad publicity and what not.

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed, entirely. The scene was made to be fun. And, dumb or not, it was funny to see the Watcher laying on the ground, eyes welling up like he was about to start bawling. Further; as painfully bad as the story and dialogue has been in the recent Hulk series, it has most certainly been entertaining. The numbers of books flying off the shelf support that assertion.

And, if nothing else, Loeb's shit-but-fun writing has us talking about it. No such thing as bad publicity and what not.

It's not the writing, but the art that saves this title.

Guess I've matured past the stage where it's fun to see a 10 feet baby in a dress crying.

Originally posted by llagrok
Really? No offense, but for such a great debater you have the worst taste in comics



thanks. i think . . .



the dialogue DOES suck at times, but red hulk's dialogue can't be properly criticized yet because we don't know who he really is. what was wrong with she-hulk's appearance?





see pis busting thread!

and like i said, i guess i have NOT matured enough -- because i still thought it was pretty funny.



hmm, i'd say the thor battle will be a draw and in reality, we don't know what effect the attack had on the watcher since he left. so he had trouble with greeny, trouble with a-bomb . . . i read of red on the forum BEFORE i read the first 4 issues. the way everyone was talking him up, i personally was disappointed by him. minus hitting the watcher, he really hasn't done . . . anything very impressive.



the lack of planet hulk reference DID confuse me. king hulk was apparently seperated from banner at the end though, right? so perhaps an explanation will be forthcoming. there HAS to be an explanation. it's too large a discrepancy to simply not mention. now, will the explanation make sense . . .

that would be the old stephen king trick -- suck readers in with an entertaining plot, then, once you have them reading, who cares how bad the ending is . . .





the tried-and-true cliffhanger! who DOESN'T want to read the thor v red hulk book!

we'll chock it up to different tastes, grok.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Don't compare Red Hulk choking Green Hulk to the BLACK-****ING-PANTHER putting the SURFER in an arm-lock.

2. It wasn't because he couldn't kill the Hulk, it was because Rulk felt that the Hulk living knowing he wasn't the strongest there is was a fate worse than death.
1. fair comparison as both are idiotic. RedHulk was attempting to sleeper hold The Hulk when we know Hulk doesn't need to breath. BP was attempting to restrain Surfer, when we know Surfer could just phase right through BP. it's idiotic and inconsistent writing, that's all.

2. not sure, Red Hulk states that he had been wanting to kill the Hulk for ages, that he had thought up thousands of ways of doing so... he gets out his pimp gun (which is, naturally, idiotic) and Hulk just chews it up. Red Hulk then has a rethink and bfr's Hulk. nothing to suggest that he could have killed Hulk, and his express statement that he'll content himself with humbling Hulk instead, to suggest that he couldn't.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and anyone: where did red beat wendigo?

King-Size Hulk #1

thanks. and, janus -- what do you mean hulk doesn't need to breathe . . .?

there are many examples of hulk showing he needs air, both in space and underwater . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
thanks. and, janus -- what do you mean hulk doesn't need to breathe . . .?

there are many examples of hulk showing he needs air, both in space and underwater . . .
in space, just before Planet Hulk, he was "breathing" without oxygen or atmosphere. SHIELD chalked it up to some kind of on-the-fly adaptation in his genes.

also, Hulk can hold his breath/refrain from breathing, for considerable periods of time (walking across the ocean bed for example... which again negates this nonsense of a sleeper hold thing .

red hulk ftw easily

Originally posted by janus77
in space, just before Planet Hulk, he was "breathing" without oxygen or atmosphere. SHIELD chalked it up to some kind of on-the-fly adaptation in his genes.

also, Hulk can hold his breath/refrain from breathing, for considerable periods of time (walking across the ocean bed for example... which again negates this nonsense of a sleeper hold thing .

didn't know about the adaptation thing. that's interesting AND new. i know he can hold his breath, but he'd need a chance to DRAW one. i could see a choke working if anyone were strong enough to hold it long enough. on-the-fly adapting is new and cool but there is a lot of precedent for his need to breathe.

hrm. now i'm not sure WHAT to think . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
didn't know about the adaptation thing. that's interesting AND new. i know he can hold his breath, but he'd need a chance to DRAW one. i could see a choke working if anyone were strong enough to hold it long enough. on-the-fly adapting is new and cool but there is a lot of precedent for his need to breathe.

hrm. now i'm not sure WHAT to think . . .

Banner has mentioned in a couple books how the Hulk adapts. When he figured it out, he was shocked, because he had always thought the Hulk just used his huge lung capacity to stay underwater for long periods of time. Turns out it works more like SHIELD said, and it's been mentioned in a couple runs now by multiple writers.

As far as the dialogue goes...

"Hulk IS NOT a bag of hammers!!!"

Some "sleeper" holds actually rely on cutting the blood off to the brain rather than restricting oxygen supply, so it may not matter if he needed to breath or not

Originally posted by Panzer
Some "sleeper" holds actually rely on cutting the blood off to the brain rather than restricting oxygen supply, so it may not matter if he needed to breath or not

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Banner has mentioned in a couple books how the Hulk adapts. When he figured it out, he was shocked, because he had always thought the Hulk just used his huge lung capacity to stay underwater for long periods of time. Turns out it works more like SHIELD said, and it's been mentioned in a couple runs now by multiple writers.

hmph. learned something new today. can sleep comfortably. thanks for the info.

havent they fought yet