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This thread is for what's generally considered to be 'the other star trek' series. Star Trek Deep Space Nine first aired on 3rd of January 1993, and ran for seven seasons, the last episode airing in 1999. It has the distinction of being the first Star Trek series not to be created by Gene Roddenberry, a fact that would come back to the show on many occasions.

Set aboard a starbase rather than a starship, it was also the first star trek series where the leads were not all Starfleet officers. The story has it that the Cardassian Union, a brutal race that had been at war for many centuries with the Federation (recently signing a treaty), were pulling out of Bajoran space, and ending their occupation of the planet Bajor, a planet they had been in control of for several decades. The Bajoran people, eager to not allow the Cardassians to return any time soon, petitioned the Federation for membership, and asked for assistance in running a space station in orbit of the planet.

Formerly known as Terok Nor, the station was renamed Deep Space Nine. A Starfleet crew was assigned to work with a Bajoran crew, a Starfleet Commander (Benjamin Sisko) being put in actual command of the station. Soon, Sisko would discover that DS9 was alot more strategically important than he or anyone else ever could have imagined...

From the first two series dealing with the Cardassian and Bajoran tensions, to the short war with the Klingons, then on to the Dominion War, Deep Space Nine was one of the darkest, well written, and brilliantly put together sci-fi drama series' ever made, imo... Even though it tended to take second billing to the Next Generation (and imo, the far inferior Voyager), DS9 still pulled in high ratings, and was continually acclaimed by both critics and fans alike...

So yeah, thats the intro... I don't believe any fan of star trek should miss this series, or any fan of well-written, richly themed drama television in general...

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I absolutely loved this series. Gul Dukat in particular, was a spectacular character.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I absolutely loved this series. Gul Dukat in particular, was a spectacular character.

he was... and he really grew throughout the series, changing all the way through until waltz when he finally faced up to how evil he was...

I didn't like the way the series ended with the Pah Wraiths and Dukat being posessed, etc. I wish they'd have delved deeper into the Gamma Quadrant angle on that show. That could have opened the entire franchise to more races other than the Changelings/Founders.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I didn't like the way the series ended with the Pah Wraiths and Dukat being posessed, etc. I wish they'd have delved deeper into the Gamma Quadrant angle on that show. That could have opened the entire franchise to more races other than the Changelings/Founders.

hmm

i see what you mean... i can understand that, but i think the dominion itself was a cool enemy, and one of the better star trek ones...

I love DS9. In my opinion it's the best of the series. Admittidly the first season struggled to find it's footing, as most spin-off's tend to do. But after that, especially the extended Dominion arc and the character growth over the series, make it my favourite.
O'Brien was my favourate character, partically because he went from being a background character to being a main character, and partially because of his relationship to Bashir.
That last episode still brings tears to my eyes for a number of reasons. And off the top of my head is the only series finale that I can think of that has done as much.

Yeah DS9 had a lot going for it. But it took a very long time to get up to speed and they dropped the ball for the last series (and killing off Gowron- after making him an idiot- was particularly unforgivable).

So, err... good middle! And a good showing all around for a show set, basically, in an airport terminal. No conincidence that it really picked up after they made it a more mobile show with the Defiant etc.

Oh and whilst the Dominion were good foes collectively, the Founders were dull as ditchwater.

Eck. Star Trek! Whatever next? Kenny Loggins?

Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel
I love DS9. In my opinion it's the best of the series. Admittidly the first season struggled to find it's footing, as most spin-off's tend to do. But after that, especially the extended Dominion arc and the character growth over the series, make it my favourite.
O'Brien was my favourate character, partically because he went from being a background character to being a main character, and partially because of his relationship to Bashir.
That last episode still brings tears to my eyes for a number of reasons. And off the top of my head is the only series finale that I can think of that has done as much.

i agree with alot of that... o'brien was great, as was his relationship with bashir, they really came accross as just two regular guys most of the time...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yeah DS9 had a lot going for it. But it took a very long time to get up to speed and they dropped the ball for the last series (and killing off Gowron- after making him an idiot- was particularly unforgivable).

So, err... good middle! And a good showing all around for a show set, basically, in an airport terminal. No conincidence that it really picked up after they made it a more mobile show with the Defiant etc.

Oh and whilst the Dominion were good foes collectively, the Founders were dull as ditchwater.

dropped the ball? howso?

while i can see what you mean about gowron, he had been established as far back as TNG as being a politician more than a warrior, when he offered keyhlar (sp?) a seat on the council if she influenced picard's decision as arbiter of succession...

was it rushed? sure, i could agree with that, but gowron had been setting himself up for it for a while, his initial reluctance to send ships to aid in the retaking of ds9 one example...

he was never a great military leader, probably the reason martok was responsible for most of the major ship movements during the war, until gowron's jealousy showed through...

It's really that in TNG Gowron was portrayed as the smart Klingon, which did a lot towards opening up the idea of what Klingon was (Worf was a bit hampered in showing that because he wasn't really much of a Kilngon) and in DS9 he just became disposable Kilingon idiocy.

I don't think the plot went anywhere interesting in the last series; it just played out and... bleh.

There were things about that last season of DS9, that I really liked. Martok's development was a favorite of mine. As well as Ezri Dax having to confront a buried, psychotic lifetime. I'm a huge fan of the Breen.

The finale was both lame and fitting. The final confrontation was lame, though revisiting past memories for most of the cast members was really great.

I loved DS9 and think its one of the best, it could be due to my love of the defiant......watched every episode and yes there was a slow start but in the end it really paid off

I dunno, that whole last episode seemed very self-indulgent.

Mind you, none of the new series have really had great finales. TNG was appalling (you know you are in trouble when you have to make a major late re-write because your lead actor has pointed out the huge flaws that the writers didn't), Voyager was dull (no surprise there- 'Voyager is pants', to quote Chakotay... almost as good as "I am so bored, kill me now", Enterprise didn't even have one- it was actually a TNG episode...

It was pretty good

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's really that in TNG Gowron was portrayed as the smart Klingon, which did a lot towards opening up the idea of what Klingon was (Worf was a bit hampered in showing that because he wasn't really much of a Kilngon) and in DS9 he just became disposable Kilingon idiocy.

I don't think the plot went anywhere interesting in the last series; it just played out and... bleh.

hmm

maybe, though it could also be that they decided to make martok a deeper character, bringing worf into his house, his tales of marriage, his wife's introduction for the wedding... martok was more the representation of current klingon's than gowron... i didn't feel gowron was changed that much, but he did fade into the background once martok came along imo...

Originally posted by Acrosurge
There were things about that last season of DS9, that I really liked. Martok's development was a favorite of mine. As well as Ezri Dax having to confront a buried, psychotic lifetime. I'm a huge fan of the Breen.

The finale was both lame and fitting. The final confrontation was lame, though revisiting past memories for most of the cast members was really great.

i would have LOVED learning more about the breen, they seemed like an interesting enough enemy...

Originally posted by starlock
I loved DS9 and think its one of the best, it could be due to my love of the defiant......watched every episode and yes there was a slow start but in the end it really paid off

the defiant is a simply awesome ship... it broke a trend in star trek, whereby ships and crews always had to think their way out of trouble, while the defiant just blew the crap out of any obstacle it came accross...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I dunno, that whole last episode seemed very self-indulgent.

Mind you, none of the new series have really had great finales. TNG was appalling (you know you are in trouble when you have to make a major late re-write because your lead actor has pointed out the huge flaws that the writers didn't), Voyager was dull (no surprise there- 'Voyager is pants', to quote Chakotay... almost as good as "I am so bored, kill me now", Enterprise didn't even have one- it was actually a TNG episode...

self-indulgent? sure, but i think given how hard they'd worked on the dominion war's final ten episode arc and the series in general, i'd forgive them that just a little...

thats true, finales are generally poor trek wise... though i did really like the ds9 one (except the re-use of battle scene footage, that annoyed me, damn budgetary constraints)

Oh yeah, I remember that, Same when the Cardassian resistance was destroyed. It's always worrying when a show as well financed as Trek has to re-use footage.

Martok... see, thing is, he was just another Klingon warrior. And fair enough, he was entertaning, but you cannot keep making them the stereotyope. Gowron was actually widening the idea of what Klingons were and how they were a viable race.

I am a trekkie. Always has been always will be. I love SD9 as much as I love TNG.. Ben Sisko was a good Captain. Gul Dukat make an absolute splendid villain. All the supporting characters from Quark to even Mourn were great. My fave episodes are Duet, Crossover, Way of the Warrior, parts 1 & 2 and What We Leave Behind. I also thought that Odo was quite the fascinating character. And most definitely when Worf joined, then DS9 really picked up and storylines became real good and the action heated up quite nicely.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh yeah, I remember that, Same when the Cardassian resistance was destroyed. It's always worrying when a show as well financed as Trek has to re-use footage.

Martok... see, thing is, he was just another Klingon warrior. And fair enough, he was entertaning, but you cannot keep making them the stereotyope. Gowron was actually widening the idea of what Klingons were and how they were a viable race. As did Martok and I'm glad he developed as he did, especially in his relationship with Worf. And his crazy Klingon wife! @_@

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh yeah, I remember that, Same when the Cardassian resistance was destroyed. It's always worrying when a show as well financed as Trek has to re-use footage.

Martok... see, thing is, he was just another Klingon warrior. And fair enough, he was entertaning, but you cannot keep making them the stereotyope. Gowron was actually widening the idea of what Klingons were and how they were a viable race.

i know what you mean, and yes, i agree to a certain extent...

but iirc, klingon culture is such a one way street, that those who weren't born and bred warriors were never going to get very far in klingon society...

there was an ep of tng that dealt with that i think, a while back, the name eludes me...

To me that relationship was very good. They had an excellent father/son bonding.





I can try to find out for you.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
To me that relationship was very good. They had an excellent father/son bonding.





I can try to find out for you.

they did, i thought it was a very nice way of doing things, and bringing worf back into klingon society...

i think its the one where alexander comes from the future to try and make his younger self a warrior, but im not sure...

I'm a sucker for Treknology. It was what drew me to the show when I was a kid; that and those huge, beautiful ships.

So I gotta wonder, why didn't Starfleet use the spread function of the phasers more often during the Dominion War? Or, did we just not see that onscreen. I can't remember that many ground engagements.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I'm a sucker for Treknology. It was what drew me to the show when I was a kid; that and those huge, beautiful ships.

So I gotta wonder, why didn't Starfleet use the spread function of the phasers more often during the Dominion War? Or, did we just not see that onscreen. I can't remember that many ground engagements.

i play bridge commander and starfleet command 3 alot, so i'm very interested in the ships, their technology and their combat capabilities...

as for the wide beam, its one of many problems that need answering... my best guess would be that a phaser's power-pack only lasts so long, and being wartime they had to conserve ammunition, and if a wide beam blast uses more than a standard beam, then the proper thing to do would be to refrain from using the wide-beam...

Originally posted by Raoul
they did, i thought it was a very nice way of doing things, and bringing worf back into klingon society...

i think its the one where alexander comes from the future to try and make his younger self a warrior, but im not sure...



Thats the ep called Firstborn

Originally posted by Raoul
i play bridge commander and starfleet command 3 alot, so i'm very interested in the ships, their technology and their combat capabilities...

as for the wide beam, its one of many problems that need answering... my best guess would be that a phaser's power-pack only lasts so long, and being wartime they had to conserve ammunition, and if a wide beam blast uses more than a standard beam, then the proper thing to do would be to refrain from using the wide-beam... This would make sense. The only ground engagement that was on screen (that I remember) was with Starfleet members that were vastly under-equipped and unsupported. It would make sense for them to conserve as much energy as possible.

BC and SC3, huh? Do those games introduce ship classes that aren't present in the show? That never set well with me, for some reason. What do you think?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Thats the ep called Firstborn

hmm, yeah, i'll have a look at it later...

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This would make sense. The only ground engagement that was on screen (that I remember) was with Starfleet members that were vastly under-equipped and unsupported. It would make sense for them to conserve as much energy as possible.

BC and SC3, huh? Do those games introduce ship classes that aren't present in the show? That never set well with me, for some reason. What do you think?

i love bridge commander, and sfc3, but bridge commander is the better game... while it is true they have all these new ships, you should check out the filefront sites for each one, they have tons of canon ships that werent in the games ready to download...

i got KM 1.0 for BC, which basically just adds a ton of ships and extras... my most trek-like experience so far would be sitting on a galaxy class bridge, the viewscreen filled with static, a borg cube barely visible, and dead officers at my feet, with my trying to get the last bit of energy out of the phaser banks so as not to be killed...

did you watch the siege of ar-558? they were passing around power packs for the rifles, so i assume that means that the rifles charge would run out... and having the rifles set to kill would drain more energy than a stun setting i'll bet...

Originally posted by Raoul
hmm, yeah, i'll have a look at it later...



i love bridge commander, and sfc3, but bridge commander is the better game... while it is true they have all these new ships, you should check out the filefront sites for each one, they have tons of canon ships that werent in the games ready to download...

i got KM 1.0 for BC, which basically just adds a ton of ships and extras... my most trek-like experience so far would be sitting on a galaxy class bridge, the viewscreen filled with static, a borg cube barely visible, and dead officers at my feet, with my trying to get the last bit of energy out of the phaser banks so as not to be killed...

did you watch the siege of ar-558? they were passing around power packs for the rifles, so i assume that means that the rifles charge would run out... and having the rifles set to kill would drain more energy than a stun setting i'll bet... Well, not that those non-canon ships aren't cool, but I must say that I'm preferential to the "real" ones. Sovereign Class for me. Akira and Sabre classes are cool too and the Defiant speaks for itself.

During the latter part of the Dominion War, did the Breen's uber, power-nulling weapon ever get an official name?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Well, not that those non-canon ships aren't cool, but I must say that I'm preferential to the "real" ones. Sovereign Class for me. Akira and Sabre classes are cool too and the Defiant speaks for itself.

During the latter part of the Dominion War, did the Breen's uber, power-nulling weapon ever get an official name?

i always prefer canon ships, they're just better imo... thats way i rarely ever play against non-canon, i just use jem'hadar or cardassian ships... i like galaxy, defiant or sovereign... i like the old excelsior and miranda class ships too...

they just called it an energy dampening weapon iirc... that was some weapon... the poor defiant...

Does anyone else like the DS9 eps Duet and Crossover like I do??

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Does anyone else like the DS9 eps Duet and Crossover like I do?? What happened in those eps? I watched the last couple seasons of Ds9, but I don't know titles that well.

Duet is the one about the war criminal, which was probably the best episode of series one.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Does anyone else like the DS9 eps Duet and Crossover like I do??

i like all the alternate universe ones, but my favourite would be through the looking glass, or shattered mirror (badass space battle). duet wouldnt be one of my absolute favourite episodes, but it is a very good episode i agree...

Originally posted by Acrosurge
What happened in those eps? I watched the last couple seasons of Ds9, but I don't know titles that well.

Duet
Crossover

Originally posted by Raoul
i like all the alternate universe ones, but my favourite would be through the looking glass, or shattered mirror (badass space battle). duet wouldnt be one of my absolute favourite episodes, but it is a very good episode i agree...



Duet
Crossover I don't think I've seen either of them. I did see a later episode that took place in the mirror universe. This was the one in which Quark and Rom were smuggling a cloaked cloaking device by hand.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I don't think I've seen either of them. I did see a later episode that took place in the mirror universe. This was the one in which Quark and Rom were smuggling a cloaked cloaking device by hand.

the emperor's new cloak... i love that...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Duet is the one about the war criminal, which was probably the best episode of series one.



QFT

this is just my opinion, but I was never and still am not a big fan of DSN.I just cannot seem to get into it the same way I have gotten into all the other series.I guess I just dont enjoy the characters.

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Not even Morn?

Originally posted by FlappingMangera
Not even Morn?


Mourn was a cool character

and such a chatty fellow...

DS9 is my second favorite trek series, its great that so many of the shows were good,be it the original or even the newest...Enterprise
when i see posters who think one is better than the other, i think that is actually a very good sign

imo star trek in general set a very high benchmark for sci-fi television writing...

What did you guys think of Ezri Dax? I really liked the character, though she didn't get much time to develop. Some people hated her.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
What did you guys think of Ezri Dax? I really liked the character, though she didn't get much time to develop. Some people hated her.

at first, i was like 'who is she to replace jadzia' etc etc...

eventually i grew to like her though, i thought she was a good character...

Data is greatest!!

Originally posted by Acrosurge
What did you guys think of Ezri Dax? I really liked the character, though she didn't get much time to develop. Some people hated her.



I really didn't like Ezri from the start, but as her shows went I started to like her.






He always endeavered to be human. I liked that part of Data's story.

I liked her, i missed the other actress, but i thought she did well

DS9 was the best of the Treks imo.

So many great and complex characters. Much darker than all the other seasons.

The Dominion War was great.