I love Spiderman, but the movies suck

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jcvaldez
I have been a long time Spiderman fan. In fact if I can remember correctly, he was probably the first superhero I began to like. When the 1st Spiderman movie came I was excited! I thought "well it's about time"! I didn't love the movie, it had's flaws, but i liked it. The second movie came out, i actually liked it better than the 1st. Mostly because of Dr. Octopus was a better villian, he actually had a motive for what he was doing, rather than Green Goblin just being insane. Then, unfortunately, the 3rd installment came out. It was terrible, there were so many problems with it. I thought to myself "well forget about the 3rd one at least the first 2 were good". What's funny is that, I recently re-watched Spiderman 1 and 2, and they both suck as well!!
Sam Raimi is a horrible director! He is completely cheesy and cliché. Toby Maguire was a horrible choice to be Spiderman, as better choice ironically, would have been Topher Grace. I felt that my excitement and anticipation for a Spiderman movie clouded my judgement. I hope that if another Spiderman movie is going to happen... please, pleeease make a great movie, with a great director, story, and actors.

Magic_attack
There goes 90 seconds I will never get back. sad

Toku King
You need to chill, bud. Besides, I thought that it was one of the single most epic trilogies ever made. The first film was the best superhero movie to date, the second was almost on the exact same level, and the third one was still pretty good, despite its flaws.

Neo Darkhalen
the 2nd one was the best.

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by Toku King
You need to chill, bud. Besides, I thought that it was one of the single most epic trilogies ever made. The first film was the best superhero movie to date, the second was almost on the exact same level, and the third one was still pretty good, despite its flaws.

Co-signed.

I loved the Spiderman movie trilogy. 1 is my favorite, and 2 rules in epic amounts. And I enjoyed three despite its flaws. The inclusion of Venom, was enough for me, despite his terrible lack of screen time. Other than Venom's lack of screen time and Peter's dancing routine, I didnt see much wrong with the film.

Neo Darkhalen
I only hate 3 because TBH i only went to see it for Venom, and i find his representation to be completely wrong, if i was not a major fan of Spider-Man or if i really did not know much about Spider-Man, i am sure i would have enjoyed it.

steverules
Spider-man 2 was amazing, best film of the trilogy

Neo Darkhalen
Originally posted by steverules
Spider-man 2 was amazing, best film of the trilogy

Co-signed.

Toku King
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Co-signed.

I loved the Spiderman movie trilogy. 1 is my favorite, and 2 rules in epic amounts. And I enjoyed three despite its flaws. The inclusion of Venom, was enough for me, despite his terrible lack of screen time. Other than Venom's lack of screen time and Peter's dancing routine, I didnt see much wrong with the film.

My big issues with SM3 were basically
-Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer, which was one of the worst Spider-Man retcons of all time(and we've seen some messed up retcons)
-Gwen being introduced this late in the game(even though the actress did an absolutely incredible job)
-Harry's horrible costume and silly surfer board
-Venom's lack of time to shine
-The fact that Brock constantly pulled back his scary Venom face
-Mary Jane Watson being kidnapped for the millionth time
-Mary Jane being such a nag, and virtually unlikable

Toku King
Originally posted by steverules
Spider-man 2 was amazing, best film of the trilogy

It was incredible, but I thought that the first was the best. It was just perfect in every way.

jcvaldez
Originally posted by Toku King
You need to chill, bud. Besides, I thought that it was one of the single most epic trilogies ever made. The first film was the best superhero movie to date, the second was almost on the exact same level, and the third one was still pretty good, despite its flaws.

Actually you need to realize that I'm right...

1st) the best comic book movie so far is BATMAN BEGINS
2nd) There are trilogies that are much better than Spiderman (ex. the original STAR WARS trilogy, IDIANA JONES, BACK TO THE FUTURE, THE BOURNE IDENITY trilogy... I know they are not comic book movies but they are better trilogies)
3rd) watch the movies again, they suck! why do i feel this you ask? i'll tell you.

1. Toby Maguire was a bad choice for Spiderman (he's not that great of an actor!) I didn't see him acting like Spiderman from the comics. Spiderman is a smarter, more clever, wittier, and sarcastic character than what Maguire portrayed on film.
2. Sam Raimi is an incredibly cheesy director. All the movies are filled with cliché scenes. Ex. Spiderman 2 - the scene when Spiderman saves the passangers on the train after the fight with Doc Ock. I admit that was cool, but! when the passangers carried him over their heads and he has his arm out like on the cross. Come ON! all tha was missing was the crown of thorns!
3. The stories for each movie are weak. Starting with the 3rd one. Boring! and Unstatifactory! There was so much hype about Venom, and what do you get? about 7 minutes of nothing. The whole sandman killing Uncle Ben...STUPID! Sandman even being in the movie... POINTLESS. The off and on again romance with MJ, the dancing, the emo crap, Harry Osborn being a wussy, it all sucked! About the Venom part, why was there no explanation of where the Venom symbiote came from? Do you think that scene of Peter taking with Dr. Conner was enough? The entire movie should of focused on Peter and Brok developing a bitter rivalry that resulted in a vicious battle. If you think that happened... it didn't it was in the last 30 minutes of the movie when it got interesting.

Spiderman 1 was ok
Spiderman 2 was better than one but still ok
Spiderman 3 completely sucked.

Neo Darkhalen
Star wars i agree with, The Dark knight is hopefully going to be the best Comic film and also Spider-Man 2 is the best of the three, no question.

Alfred M, Owns Defoe and Grace's performances.

Toku King
Originally posted by jcvaldez
Actually you need to realize that I'm right...

It's called an opinion, dude.

Toku King
And I may get flamed at, but I prefer the Spider-Man trilogy over all six Star Wars movies combined.

Toku King
Originally posted by jcvaldez
1. Toby Maguire was a bad choice for Spiderman (he's not that great of an actor!) I didn't see him acting like Spiderman from the comics. Spiderman is a smarter, more clever, wittier, and sarcastic character than what Maguire portrayed on film.

Is that Tobey's fault? No. Besides, I think his comebacks were fine as they were. "Here's your change!"



I love that scene! It's not anything like Jesus. It's them trying to save someone who risked it all for them. And how does that mean Raimi's a bad director? It was an incredible moment.



Now you're just reaching. The films worked perfectly in story, and came together just like a puzzle.

Neo Darkhalen
Originally posted by Toku King
And I may get flamed at, but I prefer the Spider-Man trilogy over all six Star Wars movies combined.

Spider-Man 2 is better then Star Wars episode I and II but all Spider-Man films fail compered to TOT there just great movies.

Arachnid1
Originally posted by Toku King
It was incredible, but I thought that the first was the best. It was just perfect in every way. Co-signed. Number 1 wins it for me.

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by Toku King
And I may get flamed at, but I prefer the Spider-Man trilogy over all six Star Wars movies combined.

I have to agree with you. Star Wars is great, but it gets way too much credit, and I simply enjoy Spidey more.

Neo Darkhalen
You people....i don't know.....

wannabe
1. was great!
2. was awesome!
3. was ok, but not really satisfactory!

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
You people....i don't know.....

Come on Neo, it doesnt take a genius to see that Star Wars is terribly over rated.

Toku King
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Come on Neo, it doesnt take a genius to see that Star Wars is terribly over rated.

I know! Episode IV may have been the first, but I still thought the pacing was horrible, and the dialogue was stiff.
Episode V was incredible.
Episode VI was fair, but the Ewoks ruined a large portion of the film for me.
Episode I was terrible.
Episode II was even worse.
Episode III was really good, despite the disappointing General Grievous, some corny dialogue('killing younglings!'), and Christensen's awful acting. But besides those issues, I enjoyed it a lot.

Neo Darkhalen
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Come on Neo, it doesnt take a genius to see that Star Wars is terribly over rated.

Actually, its not.

steverules
We're all allowed our own opinion...MM thinks it's overracted as does TK, NDH doesn't think it is...lets leave it at that

Neo Darkhalen
Agreed.

jcvaldez
I saw Iron Man last night and it was AWESOME!

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by jcvaldez
I saw Iron Man last night and it was AWESOME!

Wow, talk about off topic..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

jcvaldez
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Wow, talk about off topic..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

It's the best comic book movie to date!

Honestly I think the Spiderman movies were ok, like on scale of 1 - 10 i would give it a 3. I would watch it if they gave on tv if there was nothing else better. In my opinion the movies could have been much better though. I sick to what I said before. I do hope that if another Spiderman movie will be made, I hope Sam Raimi is far away from it as possible.

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by jcvaldez
It's the best comic book movie to date!

Honestly I think the Spiderman movies were ok, like on scale of 1 - 10 i would give it a 3. I would watch it if they gave on tv if there was nothing else better. In my opinion the movies could have been much better though. I sick to what I said before. I do hope that if another Spiderman movie will be made, I hope Sam Raimi is far away from it as possible.

Iron Man was amazing indeed.

I could care less about Raimi's involvement in a future Spiderman installment. In fact, I would prefer he wasnt involved. The chance of getting a Venom return greatly increases if we get a new director.

Neo Darkhalen
Rami's Venom was bad....just bad.

Bad Ash231
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Rami's Venom was bad....just bad.

What was wrong with Rami's Venom?

Micheal_Myers
I didnt personally see anything wrong with Raimi's Venom itself. But the amount of screentime he had was atrocious. We're talking about of one of Spidey's most dangerous villains here and he only gets like, a 10 minute fight?! And then he's gone?! I really enjoyed his design, but Raimi's hate for Venom was evident throughout his screentime.

Raimi played favorites with the characters. He already admitted that he was a huge Sandman fan. I wonder who the only villain is to survive in a Spiderman movie so far....SANDMAN! The mother ****ing SANDMAN!!

Toku King
Originally posted by jcvaldez
Honestly I think the Spiderman movies were ok, like on scale of 1 - 10 i would give it a 3.

WHA?!?!?!?!?! I'd give it a freakin' 11!

Toku King
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
I didnt personally see anything wrong with Raimi's Venom itself. But the amount of screentime he had was atrocious. We're talking about of one of Spidey's most dangerous villains here and he only gets like, a 10 minute fight?! And then he's gone?! I really enjoyed his design, but Raimi's hate for Venom was evident throughout his screentime.

Raimi played favorites with the characters. He already admitted that he was a huge Sandman fan. I wonder who the only villain is to survive in a Spiderman movie so far....SANDMAN! The mother ****ing SANDMAN!!

Sandman's awesome, though, and there is virtually no way to kill him anyways. What I thought was nuts was that Pete didn't try to catch the dude at the end. Spider-Man in the comics always believed that even if you turned good at the end(which could or could not have been true), there are crimes to pay for.

Micheal_Myers
Originally posted by Toku King
Sandman's awesome, though, and there is virtually no way to kill him anyways. What I thought was nuts was that Pete didn't try to catch the dude at the end. Spider-Man in the comics always believed that even if you turned good at the end(which could or could not have been true), there are crimes to pay for.

The point here, is it's obvious that Raimi played favorites with Sandman. There still could have been a conclusive victory over Sandman, just like the concrete one in Spectacular Spiderman.

Neo Darkhalen
*cough* Venom killed him in the comics *cough*

steverules
He didn't kill him...Sandman just started to fall apart but then was able heal himself via a beach

Neo Darkhalen
How typical.

Toku King
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
How typical.

He's Sandman. Sand doesn't just disintegrate.

Neo Darkhalen
He can fall apart.

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
What was right with Rami's Venom?

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Neo Darkhalen
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
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epic win.

steverules
Venom in spider-man 3 was too small...the look was fine but the body size was all wrong

Neo Darkhalen
I liked the raised webbing, and i liked the lean approach.

steverules
The look was perfect...it was new and cool looking but he was too small for Venom so he looked kinda weak to me

Neo Darkhalen
agreed.

steverules
The look was new mixed with original which was rather nice

Micheal_Myers
I didnt mind his look at all, I didnt even mind his size.

Neo Darkhalen
I wish he had the white Spider and that he would keep his mask on.

Toku King
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
He can fall apart.

And come back together with sand.

Neo Darkhalen
And...I was just making a point.

SelinaAndBruce
My main problems with this trilogy as a whole was

Tobey MacGuire. He won me over but either he or the screen writers made Spiderman a complete puss. There was only one good wisecrack in the whole series the whole let mom and dad talk one in Spiderman 1. I'm used to spiderman having some really good quips. That's part of his charm. It was so lacking in these films. He was like Emo Spiderman. They tried to make him way too emotional and conflicted.

Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane...yeah she is nothing like the sex pot I imagined Mary Jane to be. She was always drawn as so curvaceous and sexy and KD couldn't pull that off not to mention she was completely nagging and annoying to the point where I hated the idea of her and spidey even being together.

And Spiderman 3 period

Mr Parker
Originally posted by jcvaldez
I have been a long time Spiderman fan. In fact if I can remember correctly, he was probably the first superhero I began to like. When the 1st Spiderman movie came I was excited! I thought "well it's about time"! I didn't love the movie, it had's flaws, but i liked it. The second movie came out, i actually liked it better than the 1st. Mostly because of Dr. Octopus was a better villian, he actually had a motive for what he was doing, rather than Green Goblin just being insane. Then, unfortunately, the 3rd installment came out. It was terrible, there were so many problems with it. I thought to myself "well forget about the 3rd one at least the first 2 were good". What's funny is that, I recently re-watched Spiderman 1 and 2, and they both suck as well!!
Sam Raimi is a horrible director! He is completely cheesy and cliché. Toby Maguire was a horrible choice to be Spiderman, as better choice ironically, would have been Topher Grace. I felt that my excitement and anticipation for a Spiderman movie clouded my judgement. I hope that if another Spiderman movie is going to happen... please, pleeease make a great movie, with a great director, story, and actors.

this will be one of only two posts I make here unless the thread starter comes back and wants to discuss this with me.This guy hit the nail right on the head.He really knows what he is talking about.Great to see someone who is objective enough who could take the blinders off long enough to see how horribly written these movies REALLY are. thumb up Because once you do THAT,when you DO take the blinders off like he did,thats when you can see how horribly written these movies really are.Especially the third AND the first.I always thought the organics alone would ruin the movies for me cause as my sig says,I want to see SPIDER-MAN on the screen,"NOT" MAN-SPIDER.and thats who we have in these crappy movies is MAN-SPIDER. mad organics=MAN-SPIDER. but it was a lot more than just organics that ruined the film for me.

The storys are horrible,we hardly get to see Robbie or Betty Brant at all in these movies.If you blink,you miss them.They should have some good amount of screentime in the films,particularly by the second one.Like Jimmy Olsen and Perry White did in the first two superman movies.
Without his mechs,there is NOTHING unique about peter parker.anybody could have gotten bit by that spider and become spiderman the way these films are written.with the mechs,it showed how pete was a unique individual when he created the webbing to COMPLETE his powers.since he was the rare individual who could create the webbing,it tells you it was his destiny and his alone, to become spider-man.the way its written in the movies,any idiot could have become him and swing from building to building. He makes no wisecracks in his fights with his villians which is nuts,spidey NEVER shuts up when he fighting his villains.I can think of so many wisecracks he could have made with doc ock and green goblin in his fights he had with them that would have been funny.

the movies are cheesy as hell-do you want to know who i am? are you SURE you want to know who I am? cheesy lines to the extremes.please,thats the kind of screenwriting I would expect out of a 5 year old which is who these movies look like they were written by.since they are just kiddie flicks.spider-man was never about ONE girl and never should be and thats what we have in these movies.why was gwen even in the last one when she wasnt even going to be love triangle between pete and mary jane? stupid. remember his fight with goblin when he said something like-your out goblin,out of your mind? that was so lame,spidey ALWAYS has something hilarious to say to his villians.He always makes them mad to the extremes with his wisecracks that they do something stupid when he is having a hard time with them and losing the fight.

that cafeteria fight scene with flash thompson was so lame and pitiful it was a joke.Here he goes and hits flash thomson sending him flying over a 100 feet across the floor,does all these 180 degree humanly impossible backbends,and jumps over 6 feet above everybodys heads,ALL humanly impossible feats,and a couple months later,a guy is in the same neighborhood swinging by displaying all the same amazing feats and NOBODY can put two and two together that spidey and peter parker are the same person.please,give me a break,even an idiot like flash thomson could put two and two together that they are the same person. or how about the cage fight scene with the wrestler? He talks like he is afraid to fight that guy in the beginning even though he knows he has all these superpowers and his spidey sense cant even warn him of danger that he is about to get hit on the back with a chair? wow what a crappy spidey sense.and where was his super strength then? He was getting knocked around senselessly in the beginning.thats nuts!!!!

Plus it sucked that flash thompson made just a brief appearance in the first film and we never saw him again after that.I always loved it in the comics how spidey was his hero but he hated peter parker.That would have been great to see on screen. and Im okay with changes just as long as they are reasonable like in the comics peter never met mary jane or gwen till college,well if they had changed it to where he met mary jane in high school,I would have been cool with that.but knowing her since GRADE SCHOOL? thats just plain moronic.we never even got to meet her aunt anna.I could go on and on but those are enough examples I think.

then the second one you have that cheesy rain drops keep falling on my head song.kiddie stuff.also peter parker was never this dweeb that Raimi and the screenwriters made him out to be.he certainly by collge wasnt this doofus who when he tied his shoe,got hit in the head by a backpack from some passerby student.and he was never the doofus that Raimi made him out to be in the beginning when he was delivering pizza having mops and crap from the closet fall on his head.

This poster totally hit the nail on the head.Raimi is a horrible director,should NEVER have been allowed near this franchise,his casting choice of Mcguire was about the worst ever.spidey is suppose to have a really cool voice.Tobeys makes me cringe when he talks.His ONE bright spot he had was the casting of JK SIMMONS as jonah jameson.That was a gem.so was defoe as Norman osborn.Too bad that stupid and insipid goblin costume ruined his performance since it was so laughable looking.


this poster sooooooooo much hit the nail right on the head.once you get past the clouded judgement of just being satisifed of seeing spidey on the screen and get past the real coof effects they have,the lone saving grace of the film,you can see how horribly written these movies REALLY are.like he said,spidey deserves a good movie with a great director,a great script,and great actors,especilly one to play peter parker.The only thing to stick with is JK SIMMONS as J jonah jameson.burn the movies that have been made so far and restart the whole thing over again in 10 years or so ala a BATMAN BEGINS.

SpaceMonkey
I don't believe this is still an issue. Here it is, once and for all. The Spider-Man movies were OK for children and people who just wanted to spend a few hours being entertained. However, all three movies were severely lacking in the depth and art department. For people who really appreciate movie-making the movies were terrible... you might as well go watch Drumline, You Got Served or any other of that trash movie-making and you'd waste the same amount of money and time being "entertained". I find it almost offensive for someone to put forth such poor effort into making a movie for a superhero as highly regarded as Spiderman. I remember being at the theater and watching all the children enjoying themselves and thinking to myself, "Ohhh, I get it. That's the audience for this movie. Stupid me.". Then I saw adults there seeming to enjoy it... and I was at a loss for words. Thank goodness we live in a country where differing opinions are welcomed, otherwise these movies would have made $100, TOPS. On that note... let's hear it. How is my opinion wrong... this should be fun.

SelinaAndBruce
Meh I liked Spiderman 1 and 2. It was not how I pictured the Spiderman character but I liked the movies. I'm rather open minded when it comes to most super hero movies. If it entertains me I can go with it as long as it's not too unbelievable.

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