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You all know who I think it is. What are your thoughts?

On screen I'd definitely say Selina and in the comics as well. But I hate Talia so I am completely biased.

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Talia 1st, Selina 2nd.

Most of the bat geeks I know agreed that it is Selina.

However, DC loves Talia so.....

Yeah I feel like they are forcing us to believe it is Talia. Like they are gonna just write anything to promote that storyline. Why I don't know since Selina/Catwoman is a far more popular and compelling character and a better dynamic with Bruce IMO than Talia is.

Bruce and Selina relationship have always had issues. The romance is there...is just that both have too much pride in themselves. I always find it funny when they fight over it on roof tops.

Selina, definitely...

I never liked Talia, as I always found her to be a distraction from the Selina-Bruce relationship...

The only woman that can rival Selina in importance is Andrea Beaumont... But I still prefer Selina...

Yeah I prefer Selina over them all obviously. I think fans in general tend to as well. I have yet to see too many hardcore Bruce and Talia fans.

I have ALWAYS loved people who are caught up in the past.

Selina definitely. I don't even think Talia compares. There are many AU storylines that feature Selina as Bruce's significant other and you have to admit they do have chemistry. I think the main reason they aren't together is because of trust issues. But I'm also biased because Catwoman is one of my all time favorite comic characters.

Andrea Beaumont.

tuff one

I personally like Selina Kyle the character more, she seems to have more personality

but Talia has an interesting background, what with her father's 'relationship' with Bruce

hard to say

Selina is a blonde knockout while Talia is a more mysterious beauty

damn tough....although having to choose between these two women is a dilemma I'd like to have

Well comic book Selina is typically brunette but I prefer Selina and Bruce because I think it's a more complex relationship and I like that they both have their own gig, lol.

I don't think I've ever read a comic where Selina wasn't a brunette. I've only seen her blonde in movies or on tv.

She started out with black hair when she was just running around robbing in that coat

Talia is defintately hotter than Cats.

Selina Kyle!!!!

Selina


I believe that Catwoman is Batman's One True Love.
I believe that Selina Kyle is Bruce Wayne's One True Love.

I believe that Batman/Bruce Wayne and Catwoman/Batman are made for each other and are each other's true love.
I don't think that Selina Kyle was only in love with Batman's costume. I believe that she is in love with Batman as a person as well as loves Bruce.


Now more about the Modern Catwoman that started at
Batman #404 (February 1987): "Batman: Year One, Ch. 1: Who Am I, How I Come To Be"
Selina Kyle was actually inspired by Batman to become Catwoman.


according to Batman #503
Catwoman was the first person to realize during the Knightfall saga that John Paul Batman wasn't Bruce Batman.
She even said that heat pheromones was evidence that he wasn't the real Batman;she said that Batman wreaks of Biochemical attractants and told John Paul that he's almost sterile. She straight up called him out and told him that he's not the real Batman without any doubt.
She read the guy like an open book and knew that it wasn't him because the chemistry between her and John Paul Batman was absent unlike it was with her and Bruce Wayne Batman. She didn't even know Bruce Wayne's identity at the time.
That seems that she always felt a strong connection that went beyond Bruce Wayne's costume.


The Hush saga
Batman revealed her secret identity to Catwoman
Selina and Bruce were at date opera,and they seem natural with each other.
Catwoman tried to stop Batman from killing the Joker because she didn't want him to destroy himself.
She really cared about Batman destroying himself, knowing that he can't toe the line between light and dark like she can.
What attracted her to Batman was his being a crusader who fought for what he believed in. She respected him for that. She wouldn't want him to change. Batman has a dark side that he has to keep in check. How can you not after being traumatized from seeing his parents murdered. With Batman, there is a fine line between justice and revenge. Batman needs detachment to do his job. He can't afford to get all emotional because that would make him weak. I am not talking weak in the sense of he will get his butt whipped. I am talking about weak in regards to that his psyche could be overwhelmed in darkness. If he starts killing, then he will end up being the very same thing that he's fighting against.
She even tried to stop him after being shot, and he knocked her out hitting her in the bullet wounded shoulder from her being shot by Harley Quinn.



After the Hush saga,

Catwoman volume 3 #32 "It Only Takes A Night"
Selina wanted her and Bruce to go out on a real date and forget about the masks.
They looked like a typical romantic couple on a date.. She even invited him over for a nightcap and they cozied up with each other on the couch. It ended with her being covered in only a blanket when she was lying on the couch.

Throughout the volume 3 Catwoman series, she addressed Batman-dressed, Bruce when in private. She didn't see Batman. She saw Bruce Wayne.




Detective Comics #845 (August 2008): "The Riddle Unanswered"
After the prison planet thing, Selina told Bruce about she heard about his blossoming romances with Jezebel Jet and Zatanna.
She came off like she was both hurt and jealous. She accused Zatanna of moving in on her while she was gone. She seemed like she was a typical exgirlfriend who hadn't moved on. She definitely had romantic feelings for Bruce.




Heart of Hush saga
Selina was showing jealousy about Batman/Bruce in regards Jezebel Jet.
Selina went to talk to Zatanna because she heard that Zatanna and Bruce were getting closer.
She was down when she said that Bruce moved on. After Zatanna said that Selina should be happy for Bruce, Selina said that it's for her to be about Bruce that brought so much emotion into her life.
She was going to tell her how she felt about him, but she didn't get the chance. She ended up getting attacked and stabbed after being shocked by her attacker's the face which was Bruce's. Of course, it wasn't him.
At the end of the Heart of Hush saga, Bruce confessed to Selina that she's the only woman that held his heart and that he will love her always.


She was actually torn between two men - Bruce Wayne and Batman.
It seems possible that she knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman, but she waited for him to confirm it.
or
she unconsciously knew from being very attracted to both men.


I don't believe that was in love with Batman because of his costume.
I believe that she was in love with Batman because of what was behind the costume.


I actually believe that Batman/Bruce Wayne and Catwoman/Selina Kyle were made for each other. I believe that they can't exist without the other. Catwoman/Selina Kyle is the iconic love interest of Batman. They have a 70 year history.
The golden age comic versions of them married each other in the comics too. Then when the silver age comic versions were made. Then the writers dismissed the golden age versions as another reality. Bob Kane definitely created Catwoman/Selina Kyle to be the main love interest for Batman/Bruce Wayne. Like soap operas where couples get together break up and end up getting together again, Batman/Bruce Wayne and Catwoman/Selina Kyle do the same thing. They always eventually end up together in some way.
It seems to be a cycle.

Throughout her 70 year existence, Catwoman wasn't always the villain in the comics. .
Catwoman/Selina Kyle always ended up reforming and joining Batman/Bruce Wayne in the fight against crime.

She did it in the golden version, but she ended up being blackmailed into becoming Catwoman to commit crime again that led to her death.
She did it in the silver version, but she ended up being converted to bad again through some mind machine by the Joker. She was definitely in love with Batman. Batman was very pissed off with the Joker for messing up Catwoman's mind, feeling that he lost her.
It was definitely personal. (Detective Comics #569 (December 1986): "Catch As Catscan"

She did it in the modern version. Unfortunately, it was mindwipe that led her to turn over a new leaf. Even before that, she had some conscience and didn't kill and even saved lives. I think the writers did a lousy job with her character development. A lot of it didn't make sense.

It's mainly the television shows and movies that always depict Catwoman as a dangerous villain.
I think Batman the Animated series and the Batman showed Catwoman as not-so villain like.
The former cartoon series definitely showed that Catwoman had feelings for Batman and was even concerned for his safety. In the last episode,she helped him out when that big wild cat was going to tear him to pieces.

There is definitely a lot more.


Delant's Catwoman issue #38
Selina thought about why she couldn't stop thinking about Batman. She thought he was like no man that she ever known because the night fits him like a glove the way it suits her. She even thought that maybe he is that rare animal - the one real man that every woman meets once in a lifetime. In that same issue, Bruce admitted to Alfred to that he felt attracted to Catwoman. Alfred thought it was normal and healthy.


Delant's Catwoman issue #39
Selina dreamed about Batman. She was wondering what was wrong with her.
She said that she was getting so soft and simple that she almost regretted getting the Joker and Two-Face after Batman to divert Batman from stealing the Rutherford Catseye pendant. This was a scene right after Bruce admitted that he was attracted to her and he was disturbed by that. He told Alfred that he can allow himself to be attracted to criminal. Heck..Alfred didn't even see anything wrong with being attracted to Catomwan. Alfred thought it made him human. It seemed throughout the history, Alfred had a little soft spot for Catwoman too. He even told her in the Hush story line that he thought the world of her.




Belant's Catwoman #65
Joker wanted Catwoman to turn into a killing machine. He thought it was a great way to deeply hurt Batman.


Batman:
"Enough with the games,Joker!
This ends now!"

Catwoman:
"No! Not until he tells me why!
I demand an explanation!"

Batman:
"It isn't worth it.
Nothing he says will make sense/"


Catwoman:
"He turned me into assassination magnet. A spectacle!
He tricked me and tracked me, made me life hell or forty-eight hours.
There must be a reason."


Joker:
"But I didn't murder anyone.
Don't you get it?
She did! Your girlfriend.
That was the whole point."

Batman:
"My what?"

Joker:
Batman's girlfriend on killing rampage!
Can't you see the headlines now?"

Catwoman:
"You-you're crazy!"


Joker:
"I take it that you are also just noticing that you're made for each other."

"Oh, Don't try to deny it, kiddies.
Uncle Joker knows of what he speaks!"

"First there is that animal pas de deux
Have you noticed how couples dress up like each other after awhile?
But it's disgusting really. There you have it."

"Then come on this little silly matter of both of you living in Gotham all this time."
What are you afraid of missing?
The Plagues, the assylum breakouts,or the natural disaster. Please! No one's apartment is that nice!"

Batman:
"The police will be here any minute"

Joker:
"Ooh! Ooh! And That! The Clincher!"
Batsy has put me in Arkham...how many times now?
And you? Not once!"


Joker:
"Either this is true love, or you have compromising pictures of him and whatshisface from Metropololis!" (I thought that was funny....The Joker mentioning the possibility that Batman and Superman are having a homosexual relationship.......hahahaha!)

"Trust me, kitty. I know how to get under his skin. It's been my life study. And I couldn't think of anything that would tick him off more than watching you turned into a killing machine."

Batman was wrong. What Joker said made perfect sense! Joker sees that Batman and Catwoman are made for each other and that there is true love between them.
It seemed like Joker made a good shrink even though he badly needs one himself. hahahahahaha!

In the Silver Age version, Joker did hurt Batman deeply by changing Catwoman back to bad through a mind machine.
It's a similar to what Joker did to Catwoman in the modern age version. He attacked Batman by attacking his heart figuratively. Of course, it didn't turn out well for him. Catwoman got the last laugh. She brought him back to Arkham Assylum and tricked him into thinking that she killed Batman.


Batman goes easy on her like he always did. From what I saw throughout the modern comics, he never really arrested her.
Commissioner Gordon had to lay a trap,and that was what got Catwoman captured. He even used Bruce Wayne to help. After Selina/Catwoman got sentenced for 2 years at some women's facility, Bruce didn't seem happy about that. That was Balent's Catwoman issue #79.



In the last episode of the Delant Catwoman series, #94
Catwoman/Selina wanted to explore things between Batman and her.
She told Batman how she became Catwoman like how it showed in Batman Year One. She really opened herself to him. She even straight up kissed Batman on the lips after that. Batman broke away responded to her as "Selina" and not "Catwoman" which told me that he was touched but conflicted. There was like anguish on his face.
She told him that he can't deny that there is something between them and she asked him if it was time that they did something about it. Batman says that they had this conversation before. Selina says that they haven't and that they flirt,fight,and chase each other over rooftops. She says that they never talk about the reason that they keep doing the dance over and over again. She even told him that maybe it's time that they did without the costumes,and Batman told her that she know that can never happen.
She told him that he doesn't expect him to give up his vigilante life style any more than he can expect her to give up her criminal lifestyle but they owe it to themselves to find out who they are away from the city. She even told Batman that she's leaving for Sao Paulo and to come with her. She said that she wasn't asking forever but a little while and that Gotham will still be there when he gets back. Then she left. Batman didn't even respond. He certainly didn't try to catch. She actually stole something and set an alarm to initiate that conversation. Batman had no intentions on arresting her. He never did except that one time he wrapped her up against a lightpost and she escaped from the cops. That was their very first meeting. After that, it was like he went easy on her.

In the conversation,
Catwoman/Selina Kyle really bared herself to Batman and expressed how she felt about him. She wanted to explore the connection that they had as their true identities and not as Batman and Catwoman.
It wasn't about Catwoman/Selina being in love Batman's costume. She was actually in love with Batman himself and the man behind Batman. She wanted to be lovers instead of enemies. They weren't really enemies to begin with. There was a mutual attraction, and they both fought against it. Batman resisted it by telling himself that he can't afford to cross the line of good. Catwoman resisted by covering it up as like she was playing. She was known as the femme fetale. It seems that when it came to Bruce/Batman, her femme fetale persona was her denial and the cover up of her true feelings for him.


After the Balent Catwoman series was over, Batman/Bruce never turned her in after Selina Kyle and Catwoman were assumed to be dead. He even helped her to stay hidden. He even protective of her being found out by Slam Bradley. As Bruce Wayne,he was protective about Selina Kyle. As Batman, he confronted Slam about it,and he told Slam that he didn't want her to get hurt. He found Selina, and he even offered to help her including help her see a doctor that he trusted. Batman/Bruce was already in somewhat gray area when it came to Catwoman/Selina. In a way, he was a like a hypocrite because he helped a known criminal stay free. He did it because he saw the good in her, and even told her. Selina even thanked him for his help. Selina also saved Batman from getting shot by hitting the would-be shooter with a brick. She definitely didn't want to see him killed or hurt.



The stories of Batman and Catwoman are like one big soap opera. Will Bruce finally admits he loves Selina and reveal his secret identity to her? Will Selina admit that she loves Batman and it's not really a game for her? Will Batman be able to maintain his integrity? Will they have a relationship? Will they get married? Will they have children together? Will Selina give up her criminal life style for Batman and join his crusade against? Will they have a lasting relationship or will it be cut short. Will the tragic death of one of them do them forever apart?

Selina.