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PLEASE tell me we are getting a new one this film or in the third one. I can't put up with that abomination and the Joker's makeup. I will accept that first one as Batman's first car but not the final batmobile but if this series is a trilogy as many of us are predicting that means the third one is going to have a killer Batmobile right? A girl can dream...

There are allot of things that bug me...one of them was the batmobile....another was Bale as wayne/batman........bale is so much not bruce wayne that the movie was disappointing to me....but he is a good actor and to some people the best wayne/batmen.......with a batmobile i agree they should have kept a similar look to all the rest...and not went with a...whatever that was.....it cant act so it should be something we immediately associate with batman...(the scene with com Gorden using it was so bad... it was not funny)

as you know Selina,I saw Ironman saturday and got to see the previews for the dark knight and sadly,as you saw by now Im sure,it seems we are stuck with the look of the batmobile. I thought for sure they would try to improve the imiage of the batmobile and make it look more like the one in the Burton films but unfortuantely no.I think the look of the batmobile and the look of the joker are the only two things we have ever agreed on about the Batman movies. I was thinking to myself when I saw Batman Begins-okay the batmobile wasnt all that great looking in the beginning in the comics either so maybe they are following the comics and plan to make it look much better for the sequal.I thought SURELY they wouldn't leave it looking the same and looking like a tank AGAIN? sadly,I was wrong and they are. oh well,I DID adjust to it eventually and later was able to accept it,I NEVER will be able to do the same with the look of the joker on the other hand however. I agree with you that the batmobile in these films is an abomination but like i said,I got over it and have adjusted to the new look and have been able to accept it.again,that will NEVER be the case with the new look of the joker though.

I don't think there is nothing wrong with the way the Batmobile looks. To me it is perfect.

btw Selina,you said you mentioned you were going to see Ironman today.If you could,head on over to the movie discussion section and post your review of the film on the Ironman poll thread there okay? I'd like to hear what YOU thought of the movie.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I don't think there is nothing wrong with the way the Batmobile looks. To me it is perfect.

I like it, too...

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "perfect", but I think it fits with these early stories well...

By the end of the third movie we'll have a new Batmobile (since the Tumbler gets trashed in TDK)

I will be seeing Ironman later this week Mr. Parker and I will post a review. I meant to see it sooner but things got in the way.

I'm fine with the Tumbler being the lead up to the Batmobile but that vehicle as Batman's car is pretty unacceptable to me. The Batmobile is iconic. It needs to look like something awesome and the Tumbler doesn't to me.

yeah the tumbler doesnt look iconic.Heck even the batmobile from the 60's show looked much better than this abomination and had that iconic look. I only hope with the news that Bat Dude reported on it getting smashed up means they will rebuild one and make it at least somewhat close to the one in the Burton films in Batman 3.okay,I'll pop in on that thread next week and see what you post there.after you see ironman and assuming they show the dark knight trailer there which would very surprising to me if they didnt,tell me on my joker thread,what you thought of the trailer for the dark knight as well.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I can't put up with that abomination and the Joker's makeup.

Dont watch the movie then, nobody is forcing you srug

In case you havent noticed, hardly anything in the new movies resembles the comics.

...........yet oddly enough nobody is complaining about the bat cave

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
...........yet oddly enough nobody is complaining about the bat cave

The Light-Cave?

Or the actual Bat Cave below Wayne Manor?

whats the difference?

Is the light cave the modifications in the south east corner of wayne manor

Originally posted by Outbound
Dont watch the movie then, nobody is forcing you srug

In case you havent noticed, hardly anything in the new movies resembles the comics.
I can make a criticism about something and still watch the movie.

I don't particularly like the look of it, but for me it is acceptable.

Isn't it a motor cycle or something?

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
whats the difference?

Is the light cave the modifications in the south east corner of wayne manor

The "Light-Cave" is the COMPLETELY lit area where he keeps all his stuff in TDK...

Since when does Batman keep his suit, car, etc. in a room with a ceiling pretty much MADE OUT OF LIGHTS?

Originally posted by steverules
Isn't it a motor cycle or something?

I think that's called the batPOD. if anything that seems like more of an abomination than the bat-tankmobile

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
PLEASE tell me we are getting a new one this film or in the third one. I can't put up with that abomination and the Joker's makeup. I will accept that first one as Batman's first car but not the final batmobile but if this series is a trilogy as many of us are predicting that means the third one is going to have a killer Batmobile right? A girl can dream...

I like the Batmobile.

It's mechanical build is much more mobile than the other's, and it doesn't hurt that it was built for the military.

I didn't like the Joker's make up though....

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I like the Batmobile.

It's mechanical build is much more mobile than the other's, and it doesn't hurt that it was built for the military.

I didn't like the Joker's make up though....
Well we can agree on the Joker's make up anyway, lol. It does suck.

I think the Batmobile just isn't as cool the way it is currently. Batman had THE super hero car. Like the Batmobile is an icon in itself. I just wish this one looked more like the old one

Originally posted by Outbound
Dont watch the movie then, nobody is forcing you srug

In case you havent noticed, hardly anything in the new movies resembles the comics.

Maybe not but they have gotten the IMPORTANT things right in Begins that is imperative for a good Batman movie which they didnt do right in the other films.Casting someone who LOOKS the part and has the right physical build of Bruce Wayne-Bale-check,not done in the first two Batman movies or in Batman and Robin.Having Gordon be a significant character and a presence in the movie-check-Begins delivered on that as well,having the ORIGIN Batman movie be mainly about Batman instead of the villians-check-Begins delivered on that as well.Batman not murdering people to bring them to justice-check-Begins delivered there as well.Showing his true martial arts skills and how he can handle many goons at one time-check-Begins delivered there as well.Most importantly though,a good story with lots of actions-totally imperaive for a Batman movie-check-Begins delivered THERE as well.Since they did so many things RIGHT in Begins that is imperaive for a good Batman movie to be made,then there is no reason whatsoever why they couldnt have by at least THIS film,to have given Batman fans a Batmobile that makes you say-oh cool when you see it. When your looking at this abomination of a tank on the screen the whole time,thats just not something I can say.

yeah combat guru,glad to see you at least agree with us on the joker.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I can make a criticism about something and still watch the movie.

yeah some people dont seem to get that though.

Yeah I mean heaven forbid I don't love everything Nolan has done. My favorite bat movies so far are still the Burton ones and I see flaws in those movies too. Still doesn't mean I can't enjoy them even though I can think of things that might have made them better movies or truer to the comics.

so we get a Batpod this time around...great stuff!!!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Maybe not but they have gotten the IMPORTANT things right in Begins that is imperative for a good Batman movie which they didnt do right in the other films.Casting someone who LOOKS the part and has the right physical build of Bruce Wayne-Bale-check,not done in the first two Batman movies or in Batman and Robin.Having Gordon be a significant character and a presence in the movie-check-Begins delivered on that as well,having the ORIGIN Batman movie be mainly about Batman instead of the villians-check-Begins delivered on that as well.Batman not murdering people to bring them to justice-check-Begins delivered there as well.Showing his true martial arts skills and how he can handle many goons at one time-check-Begins delivered there as well.Most importantly though,a good story with lots of actions-totally imperaive for a Batman movie-check-Begins delivered THERE as well.Since they did so many things RIGHT in Begins that is imperaive for a good Batman movie to be made,then there is no reason whatsoever why they couldnt have by at least THIS film,to have given Batman fans a Batmobile that makes you say-oh cool when you see it. When your looking at this abomination of a tank on the screen the whole time,thats just not something I can say.

yeah combat guru,glad to see you at least agree with us on the joker.

another thing I want to add on to here is that yeah there were some changes made in the movies that deviated from the comics but thats fine,nobody here said they wanted the movies to be EXACTLY like the comics,if it was like that,then the movies would be boring.but the difference between those changes and the changes of the batmobile is you dont hear us growling about the other changes made like to the batmobile and the joker because they are not anything at all on the same level of stupid unnessary changes that dont need to be made.

off topic here but since I noticed YOU made a post about it on that thread in the spiderman section Selina,if you could,go check out my post I made in the spiderman section called I LOVE SPIDERMAN BUT THE MOVIES SUCK. and read my post there and comment on it on that thread there in that section if you dont mind.

Is anybody mad at the fact that it looks like batman will be using guns in this movie? I know he had 'Rocket Launcher" type guns on the BatMobile in the 1st one (I liked the 1st movie but I've only seen it once, so please correct me if my memory is wrong), and it looks like he has, what looks like, machine guns, on the BatPod, in the 2nd one. Batman DOES NOT use guns, thats what makes him Batman, his folks were killed by a man with a gun, and he's fighting crime staying ABOVE that level.

yeah now that I think about it from seeing the trailers,he DOES have guns on his IPOD,im okay with that though because in the beginning in the comics he DID carry a gun and would shoot and kill people,but he only did do when he absolutely had to and there was no choice to do so.as long as he only uses them to like shoot at bad guys tires to stop them in their tracks and doesnt use them to kill people in cowardly ways,then Im okay with that.I would find it hard to believe that he would use them for anything else because he made a pledge in Begins that he would only fight crime to bring criminals to justice but NOT kill them.so as long as he doesnt kill people,im okay with the guns on the IPOD.

This film suffered from the fact that they wanted to modernize it, look at Tranformers. Realism and the idea of a concept being believable sells nowadays, that's why I loved Speed Racer, the cartoony element made it great.

Originally posted by Kal of Krypton
Is anybody mad at the fact that it looks like batman will be using guns in this movie? I know he had 'Rocket Launcher" type guns on the BatMobile in the 1st one (I liked the 1st movie but I've only seen it once, so please correct me if my memory is wrong), and it looks like he has, what looks like, machine guns, on the BatPod, in the 2nd one. Batman DOES NOT use guns, thats what makes him Batman, his folks were killed by a man with a gun, and he's fighting crime staying ABOVE that level.

Also, not true, in the very early comics he actually had a gun and he used it. Look it up.

And what's more is that the dissidents of Nolan's prespective regarding reality are the most vocal and petty loudmouths. Considering the Batmobile, toss out logic to begin with!As well as Wayne Manor and everything it holds.

too many people want the Joker to have greeen hair and Robin to exist and Catwoman to have a pussy that follows her around. What you people can't get over is the disconnect between a comic book movie and actual reality. Sorry, but "yellow tights" don't work in the real world. Basically, grow up. Stop being 14 nd start interpreting the world via reality.

It makes perfect sense that the Joker isn't truely white skinned and acid burned. It makes perfet sense that he's a sadistic lunatic and a comic book character. Grow-up is my advice.

Besides, spend a few days wearing the make-up; you'll find that the majority of "meth-clown" comments don't address the reality that he's wearing the make up for more than 15 minutes. Try wearing the make up for more than 15 minutes andyou'll see that it gets messed up and reveals the huamn underneath.

Comic Book Joker: burnt flesh coupled with insanity. Nolan's Joker: Reality Joker not being played by Jack. Hated by peoplle who bought graphic novels and hated by the same people who own the original comics.

I tend to agree. I thought the Batmobile was awesome. Also making much more sense than in the comics.

The chasin scene was cheesy, as was the lying down mode of driving, but the Batmobile itself, looked like it actually was a useful, tool. I like the realism in the new Batman Movies...so, I am happy with just slight adjustments to the Begins vehicle.

that post is so stupid its laughable.The look of Robin in the Schumacher Batman movies proved it CAN work in a Batman film.first off NOBODY here is complaining about him being a sadistic lunatic so stop putting words in peoples mouths.and whats this crap about catwoman having a pussy to follow around? nobody said anything about that either,you lost your credibility right there big time.again your putting words in peoples mouths they never said so that right there shows nobody here should take anything YOU say seriously.

that 15 minute makeup thing what the hells that? the joker ALWAYS had makeup on all the time in ALL comic mediums.who said ANYTHING about makeup? seriously,this is by far the dumbest post you have EVER made by far.

maybe the people that want joker to have green hair CARE about Nolan raping to death his character. YOU are the one that needs to grow up.why dont you stop bellitting people who dont mindlessly worship the stupid decisions Nolan is making and this is coming from someone who is a HUGE Nolan fan.As I have said before,BATMAN BEGINS is the one and only true BATMAN movie that doesnt sederve to be burned.Burton and schumacher should be shot for THEIR travestys of batman.seeing what Nolan has done to the Joker,looks like BEGINS will remain the one and only true batman movie that shouldnt be burned.

This Batmobile is a lot better IMO.

The car was a little one dimensional, and looked like it suited the older Batman better. This one was meant to jump across cliffs!

This Batman is far superior to his predecessors technology wise, he doesn't use Kevlar, but armor that sprays on like butter, he doesn't use a regular cape, but a cape that stiffens with an electrical current and works as a wing propelled by wind, he doesn't use a modified car, but a modified tank.

And it's all more realistic.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
This Batmobile is a lot better IMO.

The car was a little one dimensional, and looked like it suited the older Batman better. This one was meant to jump across cliffs!

This Batman is far superior to his predecessors technology wise, he doesn't use Kevlar, but armor that sprays on like butter, he doesn't use a regular cape, but a cape that stiffens with an electrical current and works as a wing propelled by wind, he doesn't use a modified car, but a modified tank.

And it's all more realistic. Sprays on like butter?


Did you maybe misunderstand when he spray painted the suit black?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sprays on like butter?


Did you maybe misunderstand when he spray painted the suit black?

Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman) talked about polymer based armor when showing Bruce Wayne the armor.

Polymer based armor

trust me, I'm a Batman Begins expert.

OMG now we have to grow up to truly appreciate Nolan's genius? Give me a break. And of course after a few days the Joker's make up would look messy...that's why that should be his appearance PERIOD and not make up at all but that's another gripe. And people who are Joker fans have a right to voice their distaste. I mean I'd be just as mad if they gave Two Face a mardi gras mask for half of his face instead of actually scarring his face even if he acted completely the same.

And yeah Robin didn't actually look too bad in the Schumacher films sans the nipples on the bat suit he was just an over eager idiot and uber annoying and obsessed with trying to get laid by Poison Ivy instead of actually fighting crime. That was the problem...O and a little old for the role too. I'd prefer a Batman movie without Robin mostly because period I prefer loner Batman but I know that it could be achieved at some point.

I just really don't get this Nolan's Batman is perfect, no questions asked attitude of some though. He's done a good job of bringing Batman alive in a realistic context but that still doesn't give him the leeway to make the characters or icons in the movie look like shit. Especially when he could realistically achieve better looks for them but apparently is not doing it for the sake of just being different.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
OMG now we have to grow up to truly appreciate Nolan's genius? Give me a break. And of course after a few days the Joker's make up would look messy...that's why that should be his appearance PERIOD and not make up at all but that's another gripe. And people who are Joker fans have a right to voice their distaste. I mean I'd be just as mad if they gave Two Face a mardi gras mask for half of his face instead of actually scarring his face even if he acted completely the same.

And yeah Robin didn't actually look too bad in the Schumacher films sans the nipples on the bat suit he was just an over eager idiot and uber annoying and obsessed with trying to get laid by Poison Ivy instead of actually fighting crime. That was the problem...O and a little old for the role too. I'd prefer a Batman movie without Robin mostly because period I prefer loner Batman but I know that it could be achieved at some point.

I just really don't get this Nolan's Batman is perfect, no questions asked attitude of some though. He's done a good job of bringing Batman alive in a realistic context but that still doesn't give him the leeway to make the characters or icons in the movie look like shit. Especially when he could realistically achieve better looks for them but apparently is not doing it for the sake of just being different.

Chris Nolan is the greatest Super Hero writer, because Batman Begins was the greatest Super Hero movie.

But ever Super Hero movie pales in comparison to some of the greatest movies made, I wouldn't say Nolan is a genius, but they are.

Nolan didn't write Begins I thought he just directed it?

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Nolan didn't write Begins I thought he just directed it?

I'm pretty sure he's credited as having written it too.

And by "sprays on like butter", it was sprayed onto the suit...not on his skin...which is why the batsuit is still armour but also allows more freedom of movement. but it isn't sprayed onto bruce wayne like "batsuit-in-a-can". least that's the impression i always had.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
OMG now we have to grow up to truly appreciate Nolan's genius? Give me a break. And of course after a few days the Joker's make up would look messy...that's why that should be his appearance PERIOD and not make up at all but that's another gripe. And people who are Joker fans have a right to voice their distaste. I mean I'd be just as mad if they gave Two Face a mardi gras mask for half of his face instead of actually scarring his face even if he acted completely the same.

And yeah Robin didn't actually look too bad in the Schumacher films sans the nipples on the bat suit he was just an over eager idiot and uber annoying and obsessed with trying to get laid by Poison Ivy instead of actually fighting crime. That was the problem...O and a little old for the role too. I'd prefer a Batman movie without Robin mostly because period I prefer loner Batman but I know that it could be achieved at some point.

I just really don't get this Nolan's Batman is perfect, no questions asked attitude of some though. He's done a good job of bringing Batman alive in a realistic context but that still doesn't give him the leeway to make the characters or icons in the movie look like shit. Especially when he could realistically achieve better looks for them but apparently is not doing it for the sake of just being different.

I know.who does that clueless fool think he is going around belittling people just because they dont blindlessly worship Nolan like he does acting like Nolan is god or something and can do no wrong? its like in HIS mind were suppose to love EVERYTHING about this movie and not be able to even have ONE gripe about it and then putting words in our mouths saying things we NEVER said or ever brought up?

That comment of his was so out of line,especially since MANY joker fans have a big problem with it.Maybe not so much here at this site,but elsewhere they do.Like I said,according to HIM,we cant even have ONE gripe about the movie. I love everything else about the upcoming flick its just that one thing Im upset about.I mean its not like the man-spider movies where there are 10x's more negatives than positives to complain about.sheesh,cant we even have ONE complaint to not like? and even if we do,some people go and put words in your mouths belittling us for things we never even complained about.

Yeah that was MY main complaint about Robin as well was o'donnel was wayyyyyy too old to be adopted as robin.Him and kilmer looked about the same age that it was a joke when kilmer said to alfred-take care of the kid.

all of a sudded some people like that one fool,are saying were not allowed to criticise Nolan for making a drastic change just to be different from the past incarnations.shessh,all of a sudden were evil people because we dont bow down and worship Nolan and for not thinking he's perfect according to that guy. anybody who reads through that post of his should put that guy on their ignore list.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Chris Nolan is the greatest Super Hero writer, because Batman Begins was the greatest Super Hero movie.

But ever Super Hero movie pales in comparison to some of the greatest movies made, I wouldn't say Nolan is a genius, but they are.

Hey Combat Guru,since I know YOU dont care for the look of the joker,any chance you could post your thoughts on my joker thread and put in your vote there? I ALMOST agree with you that Batman Begins was the greatest superhero movie as well.I still like superman the movie and superman II just slightly better though. I think your right in the fact as well that Nolan had a big part in writing the screenplay for the film.