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He basically runs the course of Operation Snake Eater....

1. Young Ocelot
2. The Pain
3. The Fear
3. The End
4. The Fury
5. Volgin
6. The Boss

He doesn't beat Young Ocelot IMO...

If he does, he definately stops at the Fear or the End.

He beat Vamp...Vamp >>> The Fear.

And he also beat Solidus...Solidus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Young Ocelot.

A>B>C logic.

For one, Solidus losing...well that was bullshit. He was stronger, faster, more skilled, more experienced, more versatile, and more powerful. THAT was PIS.

As was Vamp. Come on, the guy was so fast he could jump behind Raiden before he could raise his gun, and Raiden was only a normal human for the whole game, yet he then is able to beat Vamp...What?

According to feats, he can't beat them.

Normal humans like Snake can beat Ocelot. Ocelot is not so superhuman that a skilled person beating him is unbelievable.

And you forget Raiden can deflect bullets with his sword just like Solidus. Hell, even just the regular Gurlukovich troops fitted with gear can do it. Bullet-deflecting is a pretty common speed feat in MGS so I buy Raiden being able to do it. THat kinda reflexes is more than enough to deal with The Fear.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Normal humans like Snake can beat Ocelot. Ocelot is not so superhuman that a skilled person beating him is unbelievable.

And you forget Raiden can deflect bullets with his sword just like Solidus. Hell, even just the regular Gurlukovich troops fitted with gear can do it. Bullet-deflecting is a pretty common speed feat in MGS so I buy Raiden being able to do it. THat kinda reflexes is more than enough to deal with The Fear. Ocelot is a far superior gunman to anyone Raiden has fought.

Not IMO, that is reflexes, Fear is fast enough to leap onto Raiden and beat him down, jump off, shoot him, and other shits.

Well Ocelot is probably the best gunman in the series. In gunplay, neither Big Boss or Solid ever beat him. Well except for his first couple times when he was still a novice with his favorite gun.
Unless we count Raven as a gunman. Then Ocelot is just doomed.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Well Ocelot is probably the best gunman in the series. In gunplay, neither Big Boss or Solid ever beat him. Well except for his first couple times when he was still a novice with his favorite gun.
Unless we count Raven as a gunman. Then Ocelot is just doomed. Not really, Ocelot when old could pull a gun out so fast and shoot Fortune before she could pull the trigger.

Raiden clears it.

Nah, Volgin takes him IMO.

He stuns Volgin via identity mistake and wins. And I kinda doubt Raiden's HF Blade could put a scratch on Volgin.