Living Tribunal/Beyonder/Eternity vs. Parallax/Thanos w/IG/ Specter

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Marvelknight
Which Team wins?

Marvelknight
Galactus also gets the UN.

guy222
IG>UN

Is that Hal as Parallax

Marvelknight
Originally posted by guy222
IG>UN

Is that Hal as Parallax

yes

starlock
Team Two

Bentley
How is this any different from LT vs the Spectre?

starlock
Originally posted by Bentley
How is this any different from LT vs the Spectre?

Well if you ask me, hal/parallax has a win over spectre(zero hour)....so even if spectre jobbed to him, it makes him somewhat impressive, and then the IG which the LT who when judging warlock is not sure if he can wrest the gauntlet from him...id say its a good thread, very different in my opinion

Bentley
Well, even if we go by what you say, how is stacking all the power into one team a good thead? Galactus and the In-Betweener are nothing to the LT, while the other guys have more or less a chance to fight.

If you read it your way, this is spite.

starlock
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, even if we go by what you say, how is stacking all the power into one team a good thead? Galactus and the In-Betweener are nothing to the LT, while the other guys have more or less a chance to fight.

If you read it your way, this is spite.

To LT is above normal Spectre(not full powered) and galactus has the UN...which in the hands of reed, was able to fix the multiverse, i will agree inbetweener is the weak link...but i think he has a very unique power....... spite? not sure...clear winner to me....yeah team two

When dealing with LT and spectre, any thread with them is a tuff one, but i like it smile

celestialdemon
Team 2 wins.

Lord Feron
I think LT should stalemate the IG. I think they are the strongest beings on either team. I think the battle to decide it is Big G & in-betweener vs Parallax and Specter. Not sure i need to do some hw.

Utrigita
Imo the In-Betweener and Galactus with the UN is completely irrelevant (seeing as how Magus overwrote it with a thought) in this fight. What really matters is Spectres level and ones look on the IG in comparison to LT.

Will have to do some thinking this a very good battle.

Erik-Lensherr
Team 2.

Galactus & the In-Betweener have no buisness being here.

Mr Master
Originally posted by starlock

and then the IG

which the LT who when judging warlock
is not sure if he can wrest the gauntlet from him
I have to disagree.

The LT nullified Warlock's IG attack with an effortless gesture.
So the LT proved (On Panel) he was beyond the IG.


And when the LT was "determining" whether he had the power,
he was really "determining" whether his Three faces would agree for him to act.
(same thing that happened during the Rune/IG incident)

And they did agree,
this is why the LT was about to obliterate Warlock at the end,
at first, LT didn't want to do it,
cause Reality itself would've suffered from the confrontation,
but nevertheless, LT was gonna take that IG from Warlock one way or another.


The LT's bio though, certified the LT's power surpassing that of the Gems. (IG)


This truth was proven On Panel in the next arc (Infinity War)

When the LT's power turned the IG into an ineffective weapon,
then the LT powered up the IG with a phrase.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I think LT should stalemate the IG.
LT >>> IG. On Panel and later confirmed in LT's bio.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Imo the In-Betweener and Galactus with the UN is completely irrelevant
(seeing as how Magus overwrote it with a thought) in this fight.
thumb up
Originally posted by Utrigita

What really matters is Spectres level
The LT is second to the almighty Supreme Being, (Toaa/God withIN the Omniverse)
therefore, whoever is second to the Presence in DC = the LT,
so if Spectre (whatever level) is second to the Presence, (and proven, not just talk)
then that Spectre wins.
Originally posted by Utrigita

and ones look on the IG in comparison to LT.
The LT >>> IG ... no question about it.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Marvelknight

Which Team wins?

FP Spectre stalemates the LT, both are backed by their respective Supreme Beings.

Thanos IG alone, curbstomps both Galactus/UN and In-Betweener.

Parallax and Thanos/IG join FP Spectre against the LT.


Team 2 should win.

Merlyn
Originally posted by Mr Master
And when the LT was "determining" whether he had the power,
he was really "determining" whether his Three faces would agree for him to act. this my be your take, but it wasnt stated in the comic, so i have to respectfully disagree. smile

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Merlyn
this my be your take, but it wasnt stated in the comic, so i have to respectfully disagree. smile

Same here, but you already know that about me, MM. wink3

Mindset
LT showed he was above IG.

Also, when the incomplete IG blocked the UN was the UN multiversal at that time, the first time I heard about it being multiversal was when Reed used it.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Merlyn

this my be your take, but it wasnt stated in the comic, so i have to respectfully disagree.
Actually it HAS been stated in comics. smile

You gotta read good friend, that's how I find out all this info.


Not that it needs to be, since the LT nullified Warlock's IG attack with a gesture.

Then in the next arc,
the LT has absolute and complete power and/or control over the Gems,
the LT literally made the IG ineffective during Infinity War,
the LT then also powered up the IG during Infinity War.

LT POWERED up the IG with a phrase. yes

LT >>> IG ... also confirmed in LT's own official Marvel Handbook bio.

psycho gundam
basically it is LT vs the specter (at its full power)

Mr Master
Originally posted by celestialdemon

Same here, but you already know that about me, MM. wink3
Ey, that's cool brother,
but it doesn't change the on panel facts corroborated in official Marvel Handbooks. big grin

Merlyn
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it HAS been stated in comics. is that so? then please do provide the scan which says this:
Originally posted by Mr Master
he was really "determining" whether his Three faces would agree for him to act. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by Merlyn

is that so? then please do provide the scan which says this:
With pleasure friend. smile


Rune of the Ultraverse (a Universe located in another Marvel Multiverse)
took all Six Gems from their protectors in the 616 reality:

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2096/lt1pe5.th.jpg

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Rune formed the IG:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4826/lt3sp6.th.jpg

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In order for the LT to interfere, it's NOT a matter of power,
but simply a matter of agreement between his Three faces:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2898/lt2rx0.th.jpg

Surfer:

"I KNOW you have the Power to stop this creature,
so I suggest you do it yourself"

LT:

"For this self to act, All Three faces MUST AGREE"

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Ok.

No more, "LT was unsure if he could wrest the Gauntlet" inaccurate info please.

Bentley
Originally posted by psycho gundam
basically it is LT vs the specter (at its full power)

As I said.

Merlyn
^^

that was rune, a being from another universe (which could well be why LT was sketchy of "acting"wink. so back to my question, please prvide me the panel which stated this:
Originally posted by Mr Master
he was really "determining" whether his Three faces would agree for him to act.

in redagrd to WARLOCK, (which is whom you first referred to).

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Mr Master
With pleasure friend. smile


Rune of the Ultraverse (a Universe located in another Marvel Multiverse)
took all Six Gems from their protectors in the 616 reality:

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2096/lt1pe5.th.jpg

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Rune formed the IG:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4826/lt3sp6.th.jpg

.................................................................................

In order for the LT to interfere, it's NOT a matter of power,
but simply a matter of agreement between his Three faces:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2898/lt2rx0.th.jpg

Surfer:

"I KNOW you have the Power to stop this creature,
so I suggest you do it yourself"

LT:

"For this self to act, All Three faces MUST AGREE"

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Ok.

No more, "LT was unsure if he could wrest the Gauntlet" inaccurate info please.

That's not really proof. The Surfer simply stating he knows the LT has the power doesn't say much. The LT's power is so far beyond SS's comprehension that it's virtually impossible for him to know this for sure. Besides, the LT didn't say he agreed with SS's statement. He simply said he couldn't act unless all three of his faces agreed.

Mr Master
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As for IG/Warlock and the LT not being sure:

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http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6230/igya1.th.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - LT - bio)
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

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Marvel comics evidently, is sure about what took place on panel!

Bentley
SS has cosmic awareness, why is the LT so outside his scope, because you say so?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Merlyn

that was rune, a being from another universe
(which could well be why LT was sketchy of "acting"wink.
Really, where is any of this stated and/or depicted?

Originally posted by Merlyn

so back to my question, please prvide me the panel which stated this:

in redagrd to WARLOCK, (which is whom you first referred to).
I see, so you believe that wasn't the IG in Rune's hand?

Cool, this debate can go no further.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Bentley
SS has cosmic awareness, why is the LT so outside his scope, because you say so?

SS's cosmic awareness doesn't give him omniscence. The SS has shown ignorance of beings far beneath the LT. It doesn't make sense that he would know exactly what the LT can and can't do. All he knows is that the LT is the most powerful being in the multiverse.

Mr Master
Originally posted by celestialdemon

That's not really proof.
I disagree.

I think it coincides perfectly with the Marvel Comics established fact,
that states in the official Marvel Handbook,
the LT is above the IG,
but as we see, the LT performs duties with strict protocol,
and thus, the LT must be in complete agreement with his Three faces in order to act.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

The Surfer simply stating he knows the LT has the power doesn't say much.
Nah,
but the fact that the LT responded with,
"in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Tells us so.

The LT didn't reply with,
"no" or "perhaps" or "I'm not sure" or "we will see" or any other response that leads to speculation.

The Silver Surfer said, "I KNOW you can beat this creature"

The LT said, "in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Clearly indicating a YES! ... but with a circumstance.

That circumstance being,
"in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Originally posted by celestialdemon

The LT's power is so far beyond SS's comprehension
that it's virtually impossible for him to know this for sure.
That's inconsequential.

SS knows because of past experience (Infinity War)

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8058/ltaboveig6qk.th.jpg

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http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6007/ltaboveig25hj.th.jpg

"His judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together"

This isn't control over the IG?
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Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8928/ltaboveig32pb.th.jpg

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Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG,
only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/909/ltallowsig41vp.th.jpg

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Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1250/ltallowsig51ps.th.jpg

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A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3725/ltallowsig66qd.th.jpg

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The result in an instant:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9898/ltallowsig70sy.th.jpg


Originally posted by celestialdemon

Besides, the LT didn't say he agreed with SS's statement.
He simply said he couldn't act unless all three of his faces agreed.
Imo, that's definitely agreeing.

Merlyn
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see, so you believe that wasn't the IG in Rune's hand?

Cool, this debate can go no further. You said this, in regard to the LT/warlock confrontation:
Originally posted by Mr Master
he was really "determining" whether his Three faces would agree for him to act.
my question was for you to provide a panel stating such, in regard to *that* instance. smile

starlock
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it HAS been stated in comics. smile

You gotta read good friend, that's how I find out all this info.


Not that it needs to be, since the LT nullified Warlock's IG attack with a gesture.

Then in the next arc,
the LT has absolute and complete power and/or control over the Gems,
the LT literally made the IG ineffective during Infinity War,
the LT then also powered up the IG during Infinity War.

LT POWERED up the IG with a phrase. yes

LT >>> IG ... also confirmed in LT's own official Marvel Handbook bio.

Please its your opinion...that it

LT made a verdict on the gems, separately so they would not work together...i did not see a active IG user trying to stop him?

and LT took off the edict for the infinity war....i think doctor strange could do the same...until someone more powerful came along....lucky LT is very powerful....unless it involves rune for some reason....who seemed to ignore the edict about the gems


I know its thanos talking...but its very telling when he compares the IG to the HOTU....i would debate that the IG has a good chance to beat LT

Lets see what does thanos say
"The infinity gauntlet had granted me mastery of all time,space,power,reality,the mind and the soul,but it was external control
Now i was ALL THAT WAS and subservient to none"

I leave it to the onlookers to decide what they may, i wont add my view or opinion at all

Mr Master
Originally posted by Merlyn

You said this, in regard to the LT/warlock confrontation:
It's the same, one and only IG friend.


Originally posted by Merlyn

my question was for you to provide a panel stating such, in regard to *that* instance.
Proven already.

I showed you the scans,

1. of the LT effortlessly with a gesture nullifying IG/Warlock's attack.

2. Marvel Handbook corroborating the LT's power over the Gems.

3. The LT making the IG an ineffective glove.

4. The LT powering up the IG with a phrase.

5. The LT on panel stating he only acts when his Three faces agree,
which clearly tells us what he was doing during his determination in the Warlock case.

This is the only possibility,
since all other and surrounding evidence proves the LT was/is above the IG in power.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

I think it coincides perfectly with the Marvel Comics established fact,
that states in the official Marvel Handbook,
the LT is above the IG,
but as we see, the LT performs duties with strict protocol,
and thus, the LT must be in complete agreement with his Three faces in order to act.

I'm not disputing the protocol. I know all three faces have to agree before he acts.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,
but the fact that the LT responded with,
"in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Tells us so.

The LT didn't reply with,
"no" or "perhaps" or "I'm not sure" or "we will see" or any other response that leads to speculation.

The Silver Surfer said, "I KNOW you can beat this creature"

The LT said, "in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Clearly indicating a YES! ... but with a circumstance.

That circumstance being,
"in order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"

Again whether his three faces agree or not doesn't mean he has the power to actually do it. Look at the HOTI incident. His faces obviously agreed there, but the LT was treated like a child.

His decision to act doesn't automatically equate to having more power.


Originally posted by Mr Master
That's inconsequential.

SS knows because of past experience (Infinity War)

The SS knows that the LT's ruling was keeping the Gems from working together. He doesn't know anything about the LT defeating an IG wielder in battle, because it never happened.

Bentley
Yeah, and without the gems working together the wielder would have a chance to win. : |

Merlyn
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's the same, one and only IG friend.



Proven already.

I showed you the scans,

1. of the LT effortlessly with a gesture nullifying IG/Warlock's attack.

2. Marvel Handbook corroborating the LT's power over the Gems.

3. The LT making the IG an ineffective glove.

4. The LT powering up the IG with a phrase.

5. The LT on panel stating he only acts when his Three faces agree,
which clearly tells us what he was doing during his determination in the Warlock case. LTs superiority over the ig is not whats being debated. your statement regarding warlock /w/ ig is what i was speaking on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is the only possibility,
since all other and surrounding evidence proves the LT was/is above the IG in power. this was my point. there's no direct proof regarding what you stated LT was doing, just your opinion based on other events.

that's all i was asking. thumb up

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, and without the gems working together the wielder would have a chance to win. : |

You're right, but having 6 gems brought together and not allowed to work in unison is very different from stopping 6 gems already working in unison.

Marvelknight
I see that team 1 has some weak links. So I will take Galactus and In-Betweener and change them the Beyonder/Eternity.

Mr Master
Originally posted by starlock

Please its your opinion...that it

And Marvel Comic's opinion too, evidently:
Originally posted by Mr Master

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http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6230/igya1.th.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - LT - bio)
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

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Originally posted by starlock

LT made a verdict on the gems,
separately so they would not work together...
Interesting,
so the LT not allowing the Gems to work together,
and the LT literally powering up the IG,
isn't enough for ya to tell ya the IG's function/power is dependent on the LT?

As you wish.

Originally posted by starlock

i did not see a active IG user trying to stop him?
Look at the scans above.

That's an IG user getting his furious attack nullified with an LT gesture.

That same IG user, with IG in hand, was ordered by the LT, and he obeyed:

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7757/ltorderswl0iy.th.jpg

Originally posted by starlock

and LT took off the edict for the infinity war....
i think doctor strange could do the same...
until someone more powerful came along....
laughing ... I seriously hope you're joking.

Originally posted by starlock

lucky LT is very powerful....unless it involves rune for some reason....
who seemed to ignore the edict about the gems
"unless it invloves rune?"

When has Rune ever defeated the LT or even confronted the LT?

It's a mystery why the edict was ignored.

Perhaps cause Marvel wanted to make another IG arc,
which they did, that's what the Ultraforce/Avengers arc is all about.

Originally posted by starlock

I know its thanos talking...
but its very telling when he compares the IG to the HOTU....
i would debate that the IG has a good chance to beat LT
Never, I say that with confidence.

Originally posted by starlock

Lets see what does thanos say
"The infinity gauntlet had granted me mastery of all time,space,power,reality,the mind and the soul,but it was external control
Now i was ALL THAT WAS and subservient to none"

I leave it to the onlookers to decide what they may,
i wont add my view or opinion at all
dontgetit

Mr Master
Originally posted by Merlyn

LTs superiority over the ig is not whats being debated.
your statement regarding warlock /w/ ig is what i was speaking on.

this was my point.
there's no direct proof regarding what you stated LT was doing,
just your opinion based on other events.
And Marvel's opinion as well:
Originally posted by Mr Master
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In order for the LT to interfere, it's NOT a matter of power,
but simply a matter of agreement between his Three faces:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2898/lt2rx0.th.jpg

Surfer:

"I KNOW you have the Power to stop this creature,
so I suggest you do it yourself"

LT:

"For this self to act, All Three faces MUST AGREE"

.................................................................................


Originally posted by Merlyn

that's all i was asking.
And I was only telling you what Marvel says.

If the LT would've been unsure, or anything alluding to that sentiment,
the official Marvel Handbook (LT's bio)
would not have concluded that he is ABOVE the IG
based on that particular incident:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - LT - bio)
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

....................................................................................


Marvel comics evidently, agrees with my so called "opinion."

starlock
Originally posted by Mr Master
And Marvel Comic's opinion too, evidently:



Interesting,
so the LT not allowing the Gems to work together,
and the LT literally powering up the IG,
isn't enough for ya to tell ya the IG's function/power is dependent on the LT?

As you wish.


Look at the scans above.

That's an IG user getting his furious attack nullified with an LT gesture.

That same IG user, with IG in hand, was ordered by the LT, and he obeyed:

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7757/ltorderswl0iy.th.jpg


laughing ... I seriously hope you're joking.


"unless it invloves rune?"

When has Rune ever defeated the LT or even confronted the LT?

It's a mystery why the edict was ignored.

Perhaps cause Marvel wanted to make another IG arc,
which they did, that's what the Ultraforce/Avengers arc is all about.


Never, I say that with confidence.


dontgetit

So LTs edict is ignored and its a mystery, how about on panel the LTs ruling was defied......did it stop them from making the infinity war...no they made a story where eternity gave permission to LT, Rune defied LTs ruling, and its on panel.......why is it a mystery and you keep putting proof of marvel's stance...where?...why because a bio references his superiority over the gems, not the GAUNTLET


I remember you stating on panel> bio, well on panel LT questioned himself, and i dont take your opinion of the events..so its ok...we will all come to our own conclusions....except i dont put them around my scans and make it seem like utter proof, i dont spam threads will the same scans over and over with my words around them to impress anybody

Yeah thats the smile i have been waiting for laughing

Bentley
Originally posted by starlock

I remember you stating on panel> bio, well on panel LT questioned himself, and i dont take your opinion of the events..so its ok...we will all come to our own conclusions....except i dont put them around my scans and make it seem like utter proof, i dont spam threads will the same scans over and over with my words around them to impress anybody

Yeah thats the smile i have been waiting for laughing

The LT questioned himself? You are being misleading in propose, the LT always questions himself before acting, its his modus operandi.

Mr Master
Originally posted by celestialdemon

I'm not disputing the protocol.
I know all three faces have to agree before he acts.
thumb up

Originally posted by celestialdemon

Again whether his three faces agree or not doesn't mean he has the power to actually do it.
Look at the HOTI incident.
His faces obviously agreed there, but the LT was treated like a child.

His decision to act doesn't automatically equate to having more power.
Bad example, I never said LT's decision to act = he's above whatever.
I said LT must first be in agreement (with his 3 faces) before he acts.

When he didn't act against Thanos/IG it wasn't cause Thanos was above him
the LT gave his reasons:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg

As you can see,
it has absolutely NOTHING to do with power.



Btw.

On Panel and in bios THOTI was above the LT, proven in both sources.

IG was dominated by the LT on panel,
and ceritifed as being above the IG in his official bio.

Quite a different story.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

The SS knows that the LT's ruling was keeping the Gems from working together.
He doesn't know anything about the LT defeating an IG wielder in battle, because it never happened.

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http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6230/igya1.th.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - LT - bio)
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

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This!

Plus Marvel comics itself literally telling us the LT is above the IG, is enough for me.

fangirl101
the in betweener and galactus might as well not be in the fight. parrallax or thanos soundly trounce either with great ease. which leaves the lt to face all that power. now who knows what would happen if the power of the parrallax and the ig combined. or if the spectre could over rule the lt's power over the gems. in a neutral setting, it would be possible. team 2 in a stomp.

Mr Master
Originally posted by starlock

So LTs edict is ignored and its a mystery,
how about on panel the LTs ruling was defied......
It's a mystery why.

Originally posted by starlock

did it stop them from making the infinity war...
no they made a story where eternity gave permission to LT
dontgetit

Originally posted by starlock

Rune defied LTs ruling, and its on panel.......
Silver Surfer owned Rune/IG.

So Silver Surfer > LT? laughing out loud

Originally posted by starlock

why is it a mystery and you keep putting proof of marvel's stance...where?
...why because a bio references his superiority over the gems, not the GAUNTLET
Wait, so you think they're talking about the Gems separately?

Even though the LT (on panel) made the IG ineffective?

Even though the LT (on panel) made the IG effective?

Even though with a gesture,
the LT (on panel) shunted IG/Warlock's furious attack?

Even though the LT and Warlock both stated the LT represents a force above the IG?
(making the LT above the IG, otherwise, what's the point of claiming that?)



Finally,

Even though the LT's Bio makes it quite clear that his power is above the Gems? (IG)

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The story they were describing was about the IG, not the gems separate.

And the on panel evidence speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by starlock

I remember you stating on panel> bio, well on panel LT questioned himself
And yet, the LT ultimately said after his faces agreed:

"I RULE AGAINST YOU"

And the LT was about to stomp Warlock at the expense of reality,
but Warlock knew his defiance was pointless,
so Warlock obeyed.

Originally posted by starlock

and i dont take your opinion of the events..so its ok...
we will all come to our own conclusions....
except i dont put them around my scans and make it seem like utter proof
Dogs, stop thinking that I care whether you take my opinion or not.

You don't make it seem like "utter proof"
cause you got none of any kind.

Originally posted by starlock

i dont spam threads will the same scans over and over
with my words around them to impress anybody
Off-topic gibberish.

If you can't withstand all the evidence, just ignore it, (as you've been doing)
but don't beginning to insult like a troll does.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Bentley

The LT questioned himself?
You are being misleading in propose,
the LT always questions himself before acting,
its his modus operandi.
thumb up

Unfortunately, not everyone knows this,
so it's best to have patience with them.

I'll just continue to present on panel proof corroborated in Marvel bios,
and that will be that.

After that,
it's either look, read and understand,
or,
be happy in one's ignorance.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Mr Master
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg

As you can see,
it has absolutely NOTHING to do with power.


I'm not going to debate who is superior between the IG and the LT since that's already been done to death.

I agree that the LT's decision to act has nothing to do with power. However, you said that the LT not disagreeing with SS was proof that he had the power to stop it. I'm simply stating that's not true. The LT just made a comment that he couldn't act, nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with Surfer.

Mr Master
Originally posted by celestialdemon

I'm not going to debate who is superior between the IG and the LT
since that's already been done to death.
Cool, but LT >>> IG ... according to Marvel comics.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

I agree that the LT's decision to act has nothing to do with power.
However,
you said that the LT not disagreeing with SS was proof that he had the power to stop it.
I'm simply stating that's not true.
The LT just made a comment that he couldn't act,
nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with Surfer.
As you wish.

But the LT's comment was in response to SS's assertive statement:

"I KNOW it is within your power to stop this creature"

LT replied:

"In order for this self to act, all Three faces must agree"


Sounds to me like,

YEA! ... but my faces have to agree before I can do that!


And the proof is in the pudding!

1. I can nullify an IG attack with a gesture.

2. I can make the IG ineffective.

3. I can power up the IG with a phrase.

4. Marvel Handbooks also certifies my superiority over the Gems.

srugdoped

Marvelknight
I guest everyone missed this post.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I see that team 1 has some weak links. So I will take Galactus and In-Betweener and change them the Beyonder/Eternity.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Marvelknight

I guest everyone missed this post.
So now it's Team 1 in a stomp.

Galan007
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I guest everyone missed this post. laughing out loud

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

laughing out loud
Alright, G is here.

G, is the LT above the IG?

Silly question I know,
but I'd like you to just make it clear for the record,
yes, in your opinion of course.big grin

Badabing
Updated.

Erik-Lensherr
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I guest everyone missed this post.

The outcome is still the same. Team 2 wins.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
Alright, G is here.

G, is the LT above the IG?

Silly question I know,
but I'd like you to just make it clear for the record,
yes, in your opinion of course.big grin imo, LT and the authority he represents are above the IG. Perhaps not leaps and bounds above it - but above it none the less.

imo, the only reason LT had to gauge his power against Warlock /w/ IG is because he'd never faced something that powerful face to face before. LT seemed to be testing the water before he lept in, so to speak.

I'm not trying to change anyones opinion on the matter - that's just what I personally believe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

imo, LT and the authority he represents are above the IG.

imo, the only reason LT had to gauge his power against Warlock /w/ IG is because he'd never faced something that powerful face to face before. LT seemed to be testing the water before he lept in, so to speak.

I'm not trying to change anyones opinion on the matter - that's just what I personally believe.
thumb up

I like the explanation.

guy222
LT's team wins. I imagine that's the Pre Retcon Beyonder

LT>IG wielder

Erik-Lensherr
Originally posted by guy222
LT's team wins. I imagine that's the Pre Retcon Beyonder

LT>IG wielder

Why would it be ?

guy222
U think its the Post Retcon my friend

Erik-Lensherr
Yep smile

Current version.

Mr Master
1. Living Tribunal/classic Beyonder/Eternity

vs

2. Parallax/IG/Spectre


Team 1 wins, in a ridiculous stomp!

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Mr Master
1. Living Tribunal/classic Beyonder/Eternity

vs

2. Parallax/IG/Spectre


Team 1 wins, in a ridiculous stomp!

It's FP Specter I forgot add that.

Galan007
Originally posted by Marvelknight
It's FP Specter I for got add that. Anything else you'd like to change? srsly

Erik-Lensherr
Originally posted by Galan007
Anything else you'd like to change? srsly

It's become a common practice in threads lately.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Marvelknight

It's FP Specter I forgot add that.
I thought it was FP Spectre from the start,
otherwise,
LT/Galactus & UN/In-betweener ... win, imo.

But still,

FP Spectre and LT stalemate (both are backed by their respective Supreme Beings)

Classic Beyonder curbstomps both Parallax and the IG,
adding Eternity, only ensures the curbstomp.

Oh yes, imo of course. shifty

Erik-Lensherr
MarvelKnight, was exactly do you mean by 'full power Spectre' ?

Spectre at his normal powerlevels, when he is not weakened like he was in DoV for example, or when he became God ?

Marvelknight
I just wanted to make sure that people knew.

lannfear
Classic beyonder was so ridiculously over powered..thats why the guys at marvel made it like a dream sequence....it never happened as the beyonder thought...mind you Post beyonder is incredibily powerful, but is below the true cosmic deites..eg galactus..celestials etc....i think anyway...
cheers

Erik-Lensherr
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I just wanted to make sure that people knew.

You .. didn't answer my question erm

Or better yet .. do you know what I'm asking ?

ultimatethor
Classic beyonder solos

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