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Here we are. This is the final match. Whomever wins here will be crowned Final Slugfest Champion. Good luck to both competitors.

Experience and memories from all previous matches fought are granted to all teams. With that in mind, your team should be more experienced and therefore arguably become better fighters, more motivated, better teamwork, more adept at using difficult or foreign equipment, etc.

This match will be open for a minimum of 24 hours. The first 12 hours are reserved for debating and questions from voters. Please refrain from directly debating with the participants. This match will last until the final super voter has cast their judgment, or until I decide to end the match myself.

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Darthgoober



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Typhus



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Supervoters for this match (Their votes count as three regular votes)

1. Psycho Gundam

2. The 1st Slugfest Champion - Loot

3. Air Legend

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Again, Good luck, and thank you to all who have participated in this tournament.

With that in mind...


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Let the final match begin!

Alright here we go…


Prep Time

During prep the Silver Adaptoid is going to use Surfer’s powers to set another “time bomb” effect that’s set to go off as soon as the match is started. However since I learned that a black hole blast isn’t effective against everyone from Kandy I’m going to change things up a little this round. Since I learned a normal energy blast doesn’t always work I’m going to use a blast of spacial energy…

Surfer manipulating spatial energy
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6481/silversurferv3minus1p23sj7.jpg

Surfer using spatial energy offensively to create an energy wave
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3701/galactusthedevourer215sli0.jpg

See the point of the blast isn’t to blow my opponents to smithereens, it’s to create a spatial energy wave that will throw them up against the indestructible dome surrounding the battlefield. I’ll invest most of Surfer’s power to the “time bomb” so the force it generates should more than enough to send ANYONE crashing into the dome.

After that, I’ll temporarily access the powers of Mar-Vell and use the Nega Bands to revitalize my energies to replenish what I invested in the spatial time bomb..

Right before the match starts, the Silver Adaptoid will access the powers of Captain America, the Black Knight,, Hercules, and Lex Luthor w/power suit from my match with Digi(since memories from previous rounds now carry over) and use Surfer’s powers to create a cocoon of spatial energy around myself to protect me from the spatial time bomb.



The match

As soon as the match starts I’ll use Surfer’s Cosmic Awareness to scan for info on my opponents. Keep in mind that my time bomb will be going off as soon as the match starts, so my opponents will be momentarily disrupted(Stardust) or stunned/dazed(everyone else) from crashing into the dome. With the appropriate info on my temporarily helpless opponents my course of action becomes clear, and I’ll blast off in blitz mode and since Terrax is the obvious weak link in my opponents team I’ll start with him.

The plan is actually very simple, I’m going to blast off right behind the spatial wave and run Terrax through with the mystic Sword of Light. Keep in mind that Terrax is a world renowned jobber so this will be done with the utmost of ease(especially since he’s going to be stunned from crashing into the dome). All I have to do is bull rush him and pin him between my board and the dome kinda like this…

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4742/thor19317sy8.jpg

And touch him to adapt his powers. But rather than adapt a whole new weapon(in the form of Terrax’s ax) the Super Adaptoid is just going to adapt the abilities of his ax and add them to his copy of the Sword of Light…

Super Adaptoid adds the powers of Thor’s hammer to his shield
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5383/avengers04510nc0.jpg

Which means I can now use the Sword of Light to channel the Power Cosmic(which I now possess in a double dose). As soon as that’s finished(and it shouldn’t take more than a second or two) I’ll end Terrax’s joke of a career via decapitation, leaving Typhus down a man some 4 or 5 seconds into the fight. I’ll then drop the powers of Lex’s suit in favor of the powers of Terrax.

With the weakest link of the opposition gone I’ll move on to the most vulnerable, and believe it or not that’s Stardust. I don’t really expect Stardust to be hurt by my time bomb, but the force of being throw into an indestructible dome by a spatial energy wave should be sufficient to temporarily disperse him just as BRB did. Since I’ll have Terrax dead before he can reform all the way, it’ll be child's play to tear into his energy form with the Sword of Light(which now has the ability to channel the Power Cosmic) and Caps shield and proceed to adapt his powers…


Proof that Cap’s shield is the bane of energy beings…

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2776/captainamericav3022pageua0.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/784/captainamericav3022pagesm3.jpg

Given the fact that my weapons are tailor made to take down a being like Stardust, I think it’s safe to say that he’s not lasting much longer than Terrax. And if by some miracle Stardust survives the first couple of shots, all I have to do is use Surfer’s powers to disrupt the energy that makes up his body(since he should already be having trouble holding himself together from the damage) kinda like this…
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg


That leaves Morg and Red Shift to face off against the Silver Adaptoid and let’s face it, they’re not going to be enough. My character has the combined strength/durability of Hercules and Terrax, the speed/reflexes of the Silver Surfer, and the combined fighting skills of the Black Knight, Captain America, Hercules, and Terrax so even their combined abilities of Morg and Red Shift aren’t going to be enough to take him(especially after he adapts THEIR powers and skills to his own as well). Both will either be one shotted by Cap’s shield backed by the combined strength of Herc and Terrax or decapitated via the Sword of Light in a matter of moments and leave my guy will standing alone and victorious.

It's possible Typhus is just busy today (Today is Mother's Day after all. Perhaps he did something nice for his mother?), then he will most likely end up posting and debating with Darthgoober probably tomorrow. I want to avoid the possibility of people voting when Typhus makes his first post the "actual" debate starts. Voting while competitors are still debating could put unnecessary pressure on either side. I'm also sure Darthgoober doesn't want an empty victory with no actual debating.

Hmm...here's what I'm going to do. I wouldn't do this normally, but since this is the final match and I know some people are probably busy for Mother's day; I won't consider the debate period as having begun until both contestants post their write-ups.

To be fair however, if Typhus doesn't post at all by then end of tomorrow my time (central), then I will let people begin voting. If Typhus does post his write-up by the end of tomorrow then the debate period is immediately triggered and begins for a full 12 hours.

-Evangel94

((So sorry for the absence, I wasn't able to get back into the city until this afternoon and I just got home a little while ago. If I'm disqualified, I'll accept defeat, but if not, let's get it on!))

The Battle
OK, this is another case of my 4 vs one 1 which they’ve grown pretty use to over the course of the tournament. By now they’ll be working in sync and know how to take down opponents that could out power them individually.

Once again, Stardust will be point man and begin the battle and take the initial assault. Morg will immediately follow and remove Surfer’s board from the equation:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1039/silversurferannual0727mh1.th.jpg http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8904/silversurferannual0728jx6.th.jpg
Redshift will have opened a portal to an asteroid witch Terrax will be able to accelerate and direct, slamming it into Surfer as soon as Morg destroys his board, not giving Surfer enough time to regenerate it. My team will then proceed to switch off attacking so no one of them gets tired and Adaptoid doesn’t have time to adapt to them.

Morg alone has proven more than a match for Silver Surfer, and although he does have Super Adaptoids mind and powers, that doesn’t make him stronger, only more versatile. Morg will beat SA until he adapts, then tag in one of the others while offering support.

Terrax has lifted all of Manhattan, and will be pounding SA with a constant barrage of asteroids and mountains (depending on the rotating field). I’ve posted it before, but to recap how powerful Terrax is, here is him destroying a planet with one swing:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8761/annihilationheraldsofgayg8.th.jpg http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6949/annihilationheraldsofgafx1.th.jpg

Stardust and Redshift have worked together and are intimately familiar with each others powers:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4043/annihilation2023zh7.th.jpg http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/918/annihilation3005rb4.th.jpg http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7165/annihilation3021tf0.th.jpg
They’ll know when to switch off, and how to compliment each others strengths to keep SA reeling. Both can open portals, which can be used to offensively redirect attacks or hinder SA’s counterattacks/progress (if he can manage any). Stardust can reform his body from essentially nothing and is incredibly resistant to damage.

Between my team constantly switching and backing each other up and the battlefield rotating, Adaptoid won’t be able to cope with the changes. He’ll be playing a defensive game and my team will over power him.

Originally posted by Typhus
((So sorry for the absence, I wasn't able to get back into the city until this afternoon and I just got home a little while ago. If I'm disqualified, I'll accept defeat, but if not, let's get it on!))

The Battle
OK, this is another case of my 4 vs one 1 which they’ve grown pretty use to over the course of the tournament. By now they’ll be working in sync and know how to take down opponents that could out power them individually.

Once again, Stardust will be point man and begin the battle and take the initial assault. Morg will immediately follow and remove Surfer’s board from the equation:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1039/silversurferannual0727mh1.th.jpg http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8904/silversurferannual0728jx6.th.jpg
Redshift will have opened a portal to an asteroid witch Terrax will be able to accelerate and direct, slamming it into Surfer as soon as Morg destroys his board, not giving Surfer enough time to regenerate it. My team will then proceed to switch off attacking so no one of them gets tired and Adaptoid doesn’t have time to adapt to them.

Morg alone has proven more than a match for Silver Surfer, and although he does have Super Adaptoids mind and powers, that doesn’t make him stronger, only more versatile. Morg will beat SA until he adapts, then tag in one of the others while offering support.

Terrax has lifted all of Manhattan, and will be pounding SA with a constant barrage of asteroids and mountains (depending on the rotating field). I’ve posted it before, but to recap how powerful Terrax is, here is him destroying a planet with one swing:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8761/annihilationheraldsofgayg8.th.jpg http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6949/annihilationheraldsofgafx1.th.jpg

Stardust and Redshift have worked together and are intimately familiar with each others powers:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4043/annihilation2023zh7.th.jpg http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/918/annihilation3005rb4.th.jpg http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7165/annihilation3021tf0.th.jpg
They’ll know when to switch off, and how to compliment each others strengths to keep SA reeling. Both can open portals, which can be used to offensively redirect attacks or hinder SA’s counterattacks/progress (if he can manage any). Stardust can reform his body from essentially nothing and is incredibly resistant to damage.

Between my team constantly switching and backing each other up and the battlefield rotating, Adaptoid won’t be able to cope with the changes. He’ll be playing a defensive game and my team will over power him.
Sorry Typhus but literally NONE of that is going to work because of the spatial energy time bomb that's going to go off in the opening second of the match.

Right, was just about to respond to that.

Alright, for the opening attack (spatial energy wave) my team will sense it coming (cosmic awareness) and Redshift cut open a dimentional hole infront of my team, effectively blocking the attack by redirecting it outside the arena. (my team will be right behind the portal)
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5467/galactusthedevourer208cm9.th.jpg http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3428/galactusthedevourer209ak2.th.jpg
If anything does manage to get through, well my scan of Redshift and Stardust shows them blocking one of Galactus’s attacks. And that's assuming such a feat is possible. The two immediate promblems I see are that a) that's Surfer in the scans, and b) the scans don't show a bomb.
After that, my strategy is back on track.

Things to Keep in Mind

1) First of all, Super Adaptoid is a machine, and while his powers are impressive, his machine mind is his weakness in it’s limited ability to utilize the powers he’s stolen:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5313/acquasar04013014cq2.th.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5746/acquasar04015ky6.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9548/acquasar04016lr1.th.jpg

2) Scans of Silver Surfer feats are a flawed aregument. Surfer uses his powers creatively and inginuitively. Super Adaptiod lacks the mind, imagination, and will power to pull off attacks in the way Surfer does.

3) The battle is essentially one herald against four.

4) My heralds will be fighting for their greatest desire and will be pushing themselves harder than ever. Super Adaptoid is a computer, and has no capability to push himself to those limits.

5) The battlefield rotates, and even though it’s only a minor detail on a fight this scale, it’s still one more thing SA would have to acknowledge and react to, giving my team another edge.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sorry Typhus but literally NONE of that is going to work because of the spatial energy time bomb that's going to go off in the opening second of the match.
You scans about your bomb are flawed. I see nothing that indicates Surfer could even create something on the magnitude to engulf the entire battlefield and knock out FOUR heralds. Even if you could do it, Redshift or Stardust will open a portal to block your "spartial energy bomb". And assuming you wasted all that energy, Silver Adaptoid will be so drained that he won't be able to fight. You claim about recharging yourself from the nega-bands, but the nega-bands use different kind of energy than power cosmic. How is surfer going to recharge himself on energy that's foreign to him? That would be like me trying to run my car off soda-pop instead of actual gasoline.

Well since Typhus posted his write-up and began the match, the full twelve hour debate period has begun starting with Typhus' first post. Please do not vote and let the competitors debate for the full twelve hours.

-Evangel94

And durring the battle, having seen your attack fail, Stardust could perform his own "better" version of it. After he tags out and switches with Morg and Terrax he would create numerous portals surrounding Silver Adaptoid and have him get thrown around by the constant gravitational pull of the portals. Silver Adaptoid would be a like a sock getting thrown around in a washing machine.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3551/stormbreaker032122ux3.th.jpg
SA would be totally open to attacks. Not to mention Stardust would not be drained from such an attack, the portals would do all the work for him, whereas Silver Adaptoid’s attack relied on himself for power.

Major Points Recap (before I have to get some sleep)

-Silver Adaptoid’s opening attack has no effect on my team. It either isn’t executed or my team blocks it. Without this, his divide and conquer strategy can’t work, and he’s at a disadvantage 4 heralds against 1. All of whom have experience working with and against Surfer.

-Adaptoid relies on adapting to his opponents, mine will be constantly swapping and changing tactics, not to mention the battlefield will be changing every 5 minutes. This will keep SA off balance and at a major disadvantage.

-SA has an unimaginative machine mind; my team has organic determination, creativity, and tenacity. They are fighting for love of others, love of self, and love of battle - SA is merely programmed to fight, it’s motivation is inferior. He won't be able to push himself as hard as my characters because, well, he doesn't know how.

-Silver Surfer scans are not a reliable argument. HIS ability to execute moves does not mean a machine using his powers can execute them in the same fashion.

-And about the Nega-bands, they don’t have infinite power. Here:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7374/ac3dcp0004ys6.th.jpg and here: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3066/quasar20028wi8.th.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5476/quasar20029af2.th.jpg
we see that Quasar has to watch how much energy she expends during battle because there is in fact a limit to them. Assuming the Spatial Time Bomb goes off successfully, it would leave Adaptoid too drained to ‘finish off’ any one of my team, who will have braced for the attack and be ready for the followup. Also, SA himself says that his copies are inferior to the real thing; and if Quasar’s have limits, then weaker copies most certainly do as well.

Originally posted by Typhus
Right, was just about to respond to that.

Alright, for the opening attack (spatial energy wave) my team will sense it coming (cosmic awareness) and Redshift cut open a dimentional hole infront of my team, effectively blocking the attack by redirecting it outside the arena. (my team will be right behind the portal)
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5467/galactusthedevourer208cm9.th.jpg http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3428/galactusthedevourer209ak2.th.jpg
If anything does manage to get through, well my scan of Redshift and Stardust shows them blocking one of Galactus’s attacks.

First off, what makes you think Red Shift is going to be able to react to the energy wave when he couln't react to it the first time? Your team's mind is already geared to the plan you already have set up in their heads and the energy wave is going to come out of nowhere.

Second, even if he COULD somehow react to it before it slammed him into the dome, the Silver Adaptoid will be traveling right behind it and will still be slamming Terrax into the dome. We know Terrax won’t be able to muster a defense because of his track record against this kind of thing…

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2359/newwarriors01713uv2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3507/newwarriors01716ep3.jpg

Once I have him pinned to the dome(see the earlier Durok scan) it’ll be easy for me to touch him and instantly adapt his powers. After that all it’ll take is one swipe of the improved Sword of Light and Terrax dies via decapitation and I’ll move on to Stardust while you guys are still figuring out what the Hell happened.


Originally posted by Typhus
And that's assuming such a feat is possible. The two immediate promblems I see are that a) that's Surfer in the scans, and b) the scans don't show a bomb.
After that, my strategy is back on track.

A. I have all Surfer’s powers and full knowledge of how to use them effectively because of the amalgam rules
B. All I did was modify the energy type of this blast…
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg



Originally posted by Typhus
Things to Keep in Mind

1) First of all, Super Adaptoid is a machine, and while his powers are impressive, his machine mind is his weakness in it’s limited ability to utilize the powers he’s stolen:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5313/acquasar04013014cq2.th.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5746/acquasar04015ky6.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9548/acquasar04016lr1.th.jpg

Yeah he’s not that imaginative, that doesn’t mean he’s not smart or that he can’t do new things. Haven’t you noticed he tries different plans and uses different power combinations in each of his appearances? His mind is dictated by logic just like almost any robot/android, but that doesn’t mean he can’t try new things. If he were completely unable to do something he’s never seen he wouldn’t have copied the powers of Thor’s hammer into his shield.

My plan is very, very simple and NO imagination is required for it. An energy blast using a more efficient energy type than I used last time is the EXACT type of thing a machine mind would come up with.

Originally posted by Typhus
2) Scans of Silver Surfer feats are a flawed aregument. Surfer uses his powers creatively and inginuitively. Super Adaptiod lacks the mind, imagination, and will power to pull off attacks in the way Surfer does.
You’d have a point if the rules didn’t specifically state that amalgams have full knowledge of their characters. Silver Adaptoid KNOWS he can create a delayed blast effect and he KNOWS he can manipulate spatial energy, it’s just a matter of picking an attack and energy type.

Originally posted by Typhus
3) The battle is essentially one herald against four.
You’re seriously underestimating my character. My guy begins this match with the combined weapons and abilities of Lex Luthor’s battle suite, Hercules, The Black Knight, and Captain America PLUS the powers and abilities of the Silver Surfer. Even if he just stood there and let your team surround him he’d be

A. Too strong to withstand(Herc’s strength and skill + Lex’s strength+ Cap’s shield and skill+ Black Knight’s sword and skill)
B. Too hard to hit(Surfer’s speed+ Cap’s shield and skill+ Black Knight’s skill+ Herc’s skill)
C. Too durable to injure if you got in a lucky shot(Herc + Lex’s durability+ Force Fields)

And that’s all BEFORE he starts adapting your team’s powers. The first time he makes contact(or is around you for a minute) he’ll start adding you teams powers as well. I think that makes him a fair share more powerful than the typical Herald(which he already is because of Surfer).


Originally posted by Typhus
4) My heralds will be fighting for their greatest desire and will be pushing themselves harder than ever. Super Adaptoid is a computer, and has no capability to push himself to those limits.
Desire has nothing to do with this match, my guy’s prep set you up perfectly and he’s just outright too powerful for your team to take down.

Originally posted by Typhus
5) The battlefield rotates, and even though it’s only a minor detail on a fight this scale, it’s still one more thing SA would have to acknowledge and react to, giving my team another edge.
The battlefield is going to be destroyed right out of the gate by the spatial energy wave and even if it didn’t the Silver Adaptoid would already be used to the effect from my earlier match with Digi.

Originally posted by Typhus
You scans about your bomb are flawed. I see nothing that indicates Surfer could even create something on the magnitude to engulf the entire battlefield and knock out FOUR heralds.
Our battlefield really isn’t all that big(I think the dome is something like the size of a large city), but if you’re looking for some indication of just how big a blast Surfer can make here you go…

Surfer’s destroys a planet
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1787/annihilationsilversurfemi9.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7697/annihilationsilversurfekt9.jpg

Originally posted by Typhus
Even if you could do it, Redshift or Stardust will open a portal to block your "spartial energy bomb".
Speed feats to suggest Stardust could react(since we know for a fact Red Shift can‘t)?

Originally posted by Typhus
And assuming you wasted all that energy, Silver Adaptoid will be so drained that he won't be able to fight. You claim about recharging yourself from the nega-bands, but the nega-bands use different kind of energy than power cosmic. How is surfer going to recharge himself on energy that's foreign to him? That would be like me trying to run my car off soda-pop instead of actual gasoline.
If the Nega Bands can revitalize Mar-Vell and Drax simultaneously what makes you think they can’t revitalize the Silver Adaptoid…

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3553/captainmarvel05816tg5.jpg

All I’m doing is replacing Silver Adaptoid’s personal energy stores, I’m not replacing the Power Cosmic just the energy he focused with the Power Cosmic.

The finals of this awesome tourney are a late entry who replaced someone and a guy who had to quit then returned for the finals.

You are made of win Ev.

Important match points

A. There’s been NOTHING shown to suggest that Typhus’s team will be able to react to my opening blast. Red Shift was already shown to be unable to spot it until it was too late, and this blast is going to be significantly more powerful than the first. Typhus’s team has a pre formulated plan in their minds and no mention was made of their being “on guard” for attacks in the opening seconds because Typhus’s plan involved THEM attacking me.

B. Even if he somehow manages to react and counter the wave itself, the Silver Adaptoid will be traveling right behind it and will still be plowing into Terrax at FTKL speeds and will still be slamming him I to the dome. So eve if the blast is blocked/deflected, my plan is still more than sufficient to take down the three remaining heralds.

C. Typhus screwed himself when he settled on the “tag team” approach because the Silver Adapoid is flat out too powerful for any one person on Typhus’s team to take down. Surfer’s speed combined with Cap and Black Knight’s skill and equipment ensure that I’ll be getting hit’s in at will against anyone and the combined strength of Herc and either Lex or Terrax backing the Sword of Light and Cap’s shield ensures that one shot is all it’s going to take to put ANYONE on the opposing team down.

D. Typhus’s claim that switching off will prevent me from assuming his powers is completely bunk. It only takes the Adaptoid time to copy when he’s just in their general area. As this scan clearly shows the adaption process is practically instantaneous once physical contact is made…
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9831/heroesforhire07p10tq8.jpg

And make no mistake, with Surfer’s speed pushing Cap, Black Knight, and Herc’s skill I WILL be making physical contact within a matter of moments.

E. Typhus’s claims about my not being able to use Surfer’s powers effectively are false. The rules specifically state that amalgams have full use and knowledge of their powers so I’ll have no problem using Surfer’s feats.

F. Typhus’s team has NO chance here. Morg, Terrax, and Red Shift are ALL brawlers and my guy is not only faster than all of them by a fair margin, he’s also stronger and more durable than any two of them combined, and more skilled than ALL of them combined so I’ll be taking them down with the utmost ease even if my initial plan didn’t work, and nothing’s been shown to suggest that the plan won’t work in the first place.

Stardust is the only one of Typhus’s guys that have half a brain, but even he’s going to go down easily because of the effect of Cap’s shield on energy beings my improved copy of Sword of Light.

Oh and as for this…

Originally posted by Typhus
And about the Nega-bands, they don’t have infinite power. Here:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7374/ac3dcp0004ys6.th.jpg and here: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3066/quasar20028wi8.th.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5476/quasar20029af2.th.jpg
we see that Quasar has to watch how much energy she expends during battle because there is in fact a limit to them. Assuming the Spatial Time Bomb goes off successfully, it would leave Adaptoid too drained to ‘finish off’ any one of my team, who will have braced for the attack and be ready for the followup. Also, SA himself says that his copies are inferior to the real thing; and if Quasar’s have limits, then weaker copies most certainly do as well.

Those are the Quantum Bands, not the Nega Bands. And the Nega Bands don’t use their own energies to revitalize their wielders, they use the energy of nearby stars(as is covered in the scan of Drax and Mar-Vell).

Also there's NOTHING to suggest that his copy's of the Nega Bands are inferior, he's been using them to great effect for years now.

Originally posted by Doc. Savage
The finals of this awesome tourney are a late entry who replaced someone and a guy who had to quit then returned for the finals.

You are made of win Ev.
Hey I returned for the SEMI finals...

Originally posted by Doc. Savage
The finals of this awesome tourney are a late entry who replaced someone and a guy who had to quit then returned for the finals.

You are made of win Ev.

Please do not disrupt the thread if you have nothing to contribute. Only those that are NOT banned, have 1000 posts, or are a supervoter may vote. You do not have 1000 posts, so there is no reason for you to even say anything in this thread.

-Evangel94

I have a question regarding the time bomb: The last one you made was supposed to open automatically as the match started, I'm not going to fanthom how do you know exactly when the match starts, but rather ask you about the previously described creation process. Last time you said you had the technology knowledge of Reed and Luthor combined to assure that the bomb would explode in time zero, my question is: How do you justify the "intelligence boost" having seen the SA's defeat against Phyla-vell in the imitating intelligence department. Reed is a very creative inventor, how do you justify that SA can mimic that if he has no inner creativity?

Since no one’s started judging yet I just thought I’d take some time to address the whole “One Herald vs. Four” stance. Simply put all Heralds are not created equal, and both Terrax and Red Shift are a joke in comparison of Surfer.

Terrax has been consistently portrayed as Surfer’s b*tch and has exactly ONE impressive feat to his credit(destroying a planet). He lacks intelligence and finesse and has an inferior level of the Power Cosmic than the Surfer. Just take a look at this scene where Terrax’s plans are thwarted by simple transmutation…
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/729/silversurferv309717dj2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9158/silversurferv309718if7.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6952/silversurferv30971920fj0.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5629/silversurferv309721oi2.jpg

Either…

A. Terrax lacks transmutation powers of his own just as he lack‘s the other heralds ability to fly(or he could have simply recreated the treasure)

Or

B. Terrax HAS transmutation powers and is just so dumb he forgot about them.

Either way you look at it, Terrax isn’t even in Surfer’s league, let alone some who has all of Sufer’s powers plus the combined strength and durability of Hercules and Lex’s suit(as well as the suits other abilities), and uber offensive/defensive weapon like Cap’s shield and Cap‘s skill at using it, an uber mystic weapon like the Sword of Light and Black Knight’s skill at using it.


Now we’ll move on to Stardust, since he was my designated second target. Now I’m willing to give credit where credit’s due and acknowledge that Stardust is on Surfer’s level, but being on Surfer’s level doesn’t mean you’re Surfer’s equal(just ask Firelord). When you get right down to it, Stardust strait up lacks the feats to place him as Surfer’s equal(maybe close, but no cigar). The most important thing to remember though is that Stardust is an energy being, and as I’ve already shown(but am about to show again) Cap’s shield wrecks havoc on characters made up of energy…
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2776/captainamericav3022pageua0.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/784/captainamericav3022pagesm3.jpg

One or two shots from Cap’s shield will cause more than enough damage to Stardust for the Silver Adaptoid to do something like this(assuming Stardust doesn’t go down to the shield itself, which seems to be the most likely scenario)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg


As for Red Shift, even though he’s more impressive than Terrax he’s still a far cry from Surfer in terms of raw power. Take a look at this scene where Surfer resist the power of Red Shift’s black hole, rebuilds and repowers the high tech armor of Alicia, breaches the Hypersphere, and then goes on to fight and defeat Red Shift WITHOUT his board(which he’s powering and guiding through hyperspace during the battle)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7696/galactusthedevourer213tv6.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9411/galactusthedevourer214bp5.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3701/galactusthedevourer215sli0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9323/galactusthedevourer217yj3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9425/galactusthedevourer218wg5.jpg

I think it’s safe to say that Surfer alone has Red Shift beaten hands down in overall power department.And again my guy has all of Surfer’s powers plus the combined strength and durability of Hercules and Lex’s suit(as well as the suits other abilities), and uber offensive/defensive weapon like Cap’s shield and Cap‘s skill at using it, an uber mystic weapon like the Sword of Light and Black Knight’s skill at using it.

That just leaves Morg and like Stardust, I DO credit him with being somewhere on Surfer’s level. But like also Stardust just being on Surfer’s level doesn’t make you Surfer’s equal. Morg’s raw power is impressive, but he’s really just a more powerful version of Terrax, all brawn with no brain to back it. That isn’t necessarily a hindrance when you’re as powerful as Morg but as this fight clearly demonstrates, Surfer has Morg beaten in raw power as well as finesse…

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9366/silversurferannual0722sr0.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7328/silversurferannual0723jk8.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8347/silversurferannual0724mt8.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4686/silversurferannual0725nb7.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1453/silversurferannual0726do3.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6703/silversurferannual0727mo1.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6168/silversurferannual0728ag4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5598/silversurferannual0729kk3.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4205/silversurferannual07303ff4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2012/silversurferannual0732ry8.jpg



My character is FAR more powerful than the Surfer alone, and Surfer himself has each of my opponents beaten on both power and versatility. All it’s going to take is one touch to add my opponents powers to my own and it’ll increase that gap even further.

Originally posted by Bentley
I have a question regarding the time bomb: The last one you made was supposed to open automatically as the match started, I'm not going to fanthom how do you know exactly when the match starts, but rather ask you about the previously described creation process. Last time you said you had the technology knowledge of Reed and Luthor combined to assure that the bomb would explode in time zero, my question is: How do you justify the "intelligence boost" having seen the SA's defeat against Phyla-vell in the imitating intelligence department. Reed is a very creative inventor, how do you justify that SA can mimic that if he has no inner creativity?
Well I know that my prep's only going to last 15 minutes, so that's how I know when the match is going to start. As for the rest, I don't have Reed's creativeness but I DO have his book knowledge...
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4861/avengersv128805in9.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6215/avengersv128912ip6.jpg

It's a fine line, but them's comics for ya.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Please do not disrupt the thread



**** you.

Originally posted by Evangel94
You do not have 1000 posts, so there is no reason for you to even say anything in this thread.

To tell you how ****ing bad your tourney is that's reason enough for me.

Originally posted by Evangel94

-Evangel94

We know who you are unfortunately, no need to sign your posts, your not worthwhile enough to do it anyway.

You ****ing fail.

First of all, the notion that my guys won’t be ready to react because they have a plan is ridiculous. In a battle, you’re ready for anything, plans change and adapt as the situation changes, they wouldn’t follow it at the cost of their own lives. And about the Surfer/Redshift scan, Redshift was distracted by the fight with Surfer and that’s why he couldn’t see the spatial wave coming. Also, that scan proves Redshift has dealt with that attack before and with experience comes wisdom. It’s safe to say that he’d be ready for such an attack. More to the point those scans show NO ability to generate a timed explosion. That’s really reaching and it seems your whole strategy relies on that being super effective. And you said even if the attack failed, Adaptoid would be right behind it flying at FTKL speed; well that would put SA right in the middle of Redshifts portal, which my team is behind. There is NO way you’re ramming Terrax. The moment you come around the portal, Morg, Terrax, or Stardust would slice your board in half.

And about Surfer being stronger than any two of my guys, that’s ridiculous. Morg is superior strength wise and all my team members have fought Surfer 1 on 1 in the past and they have all the same abilities that power cosmic grants Surfer. Working as a team after having fought a suped up Juggernaut and a suped up Nate Gray would make them ready for a single strong opponent - by now it’s their specialty. And Surfer isn’t so far above my guys that he could take on all of them, and that’s why you need the spatial wave to succeed.

With regards to Silver Adaptoid’s mind, yes, you get full knowledge of your powers, but that doesn’t mean you will use them as well as the original would or have the imagination/insight to come up with new tactics using those powers. What do you think the point of the “mind” part of the amalgam is? Characters will act in character, and depending on who’s in charge, it can be an advantage or it can prove fatal.

Which brings me to my next point. With characters acting in character, why would Super Adaptoid create a huge opening explosion with out even knowing who he’s up against. It’s not logical to waste that much energy on an unknown opponent. You’re writing your strategy as if SA knows exactly who he’s dealing with but he doesn’t. Super Adaptoid would not open the battle with such a plan, it just doesn’t make sense. Yes he has full knowledge of his powers, however you’re taking two separate instances and making an assumption that combining them would equal some amazing unblockable attack. Adaptoid is just not that creative and like I said, such an opening would be illogical to Adaptoid. You didn’t buy knowledge of the opposition and without that there’s not much you can prep for specifically. You’re writing your plan as if SA knows who he’s fighting and that’s not happening.

And here is SA being defeated once again because, like Cap says, he lacks the human element. He doesn’t have the imagination and fighting spirit that pushes him beyond his limits.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/142/72527026tv8.th.jpg http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3954/64177912rz5.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2797/20096453tx2.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1825/24803096yr9.th.jpg
In practice, giving Surfer SA’s mind is more of a hindrance than a help.

And finally, how many templates are you trying to utilize at once? You have Herc’s strength, Lex’s powersuit, Cap’s shield, Black Knight’s weapons and you’re trying to then copy the powers of my heralds? You’ve said yourself that:
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm pretty sure that SA can only use the abilities of 2 or 3 templates max(at one time anyway), and I don't think any of the templates available put him completely out of WWH's league. In fact I'm pretty sure that WWH took down more powerful people than the majority of SA's templates provide. I think this could actually be a pretty damn good fight...
2 or 3 templates, he’s never shown the ability you’re pulling out now, which is 5 or more.

And as for your post talking about the weaknesses of my heralds, well that would be important if you were fighting each of my heralds one on one. My team keeping SA on his toes does not equate them standing there and watching their brothers get taken down. They’ll be hitting and running, striking from behind, and lending support so no one character will be fighting long enough to be defeated. Surfer my be a lot stronger then Terrax, but if Terrax impaled Surfer from behind while he was tired up with Morg, Surfer’s going to feel it. SA cannot fight this battle on his terms because he won’t get a chance. Too many targets moving in and out of battle and striking when he’s not ready. Surfer is certainly powerful, but he’s not so far above my team that he can handle them all. With his initial attack failing, he’s going down.

Originally posted by 12345678910
**** you.



To tell you how ****ing bad your tourney is that's reason enough for me.



We know who you are unfortunately, no need to sign your posts, your not worthwhile enough to do it anyway.

You ****ing fail.

I think it's sad that you go from server to server in order to continue posting on KMC even after getting banned so many times. You're like a sad ghost. You will never be taken seriously, and your opinion will never matter. How many more fake user names must your create before you realize that?

You're just a spectacle, a joke, that people see one morning and forget the next. That's why you keep creating user names, isn't it? In order to keep reminding people that you're still around. People will remember this tournament. What will they remember you for? In the end, your opinion has no lasting effect and no staying power. For that, I truly pity you.

-Evangel94

Originally posted by Evangel94
I think it's sad that you go from proxy server to proxy server in order to continue posting on KMC even after getting banned so many times. You're like a sad ghost. You will never be taken seriously, and your opinion will never matter. How many more proxy servers will it take, and how many more fake user names must your create before you realize that?

You're just a spectacle, a joke, that people see one morning and forget the next. That's why you keep creating user names, isn't it? In order to keep reminding people that you're still around. People will remember this tournament. What will they remember you for? In the end, your opinion has no lasting effect and no staying power. For that, I truly pity you.

-Evangel94 "You're like a sad ghost". i gotta say, that's ownage.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I think it's sad that you go from server to server in order to continue posting on KMC even after getting banned so many times. You're like a sad ghost. You will never be taken seriously, and your opinion will never matter. How many more fake user names must your create before you realize that?

You're just a spectacle, a joke, that people see one morning and forget the next. That's why you keep creating user names, isn't it? In order to keep reminding people that you're still around. People will remember this tournament. What will they remember you for? In the end, your opinion has no lasting effect and no staying power. For that, I truly pity you.

-Evangel94 lol i'm sure he'll respond to that

Originally posted by Typhus
First of all, the notion that my guys won’t be ready to react because they have a plan is ridiculous. In a battle, you’re ready for anything, plans change and adapt as the situation changes, they wouldn’t follow it at the cost of their own lives.
The fact that your team already has a preset plan they were in the process of executing just just seals the deal, the simple fact of the matter is that none of your team has ever shown the ability to react to something like that in the first place.

Originally posted by Typhus
And about the Surfer/Redshift scan, Redshift was distracted by the fight with Surfer and that’s why he couldn’t see the spatial wave coming. Also, that scan proves Redshift has dealt with that attack before and with experience comes wisdom. It’s safe to say that he’d be ready for such an attack.
Proof that’s the reason why and that he now has a counter for it in mind?

Originally posted by Typhus
More to the point those scans show NO ability to generate a timed explosion. That’s really reaching and it seems your whole strategy relies on that being super effective.
These scans DO show Surfer’s ability to create a timed explosion…
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg

And to back it up here’s Dr, Doom setting up a timed effect when he had the Surfer’s Power Cosmic…
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3527/16freezesislandevolutiohh0.jpg



Originally posted by Typhus
And you said even if the attack failed, Adaptoid would be right behind it flying at FTKL speed; well that would put SA right in the middle of Redshifts portal, which my team is behind. There is NO way you’re ramming Terrax. The moment you come around the portal, Morg, Terrax, or Stardust would slice your board in half.
What makes you think I’ll have to go around the portal when I can teleport…
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7996/ffannual05silversurfer1tl0.jpg

You forget my intention is to head strait for Terrax. I won’t be going around the portal I’ll be teleporting past it and slam right into Terrax(as was my intention).

Originally posted by Typhus
And about Surfer being stronger than any two of my guys, that’s ridiculous. Morg is superior strength wise and all my team members have fought Surfer 1 on 1 in the past and they have all the same abilities that power cosmic grants Surfer.
I didn’t say that Surfer was stronger than any two of your guy put together, I said that the Silver Adaptoid is stronger than any two of your guys put together(and he is).

Originally posted by Typhus
Working as a team after having fought a suped up Juggernaut and a suped up Nate Gray would make them ready for a single strong opponent - by now it’s their specialty. And Surfer isn’t so far above my guys that he could take on all of them, and that’s why you need the spatial wave to succeed.
Surfer doesn’t have to be strong enough to beat all of them because Surfer’s not in this fight. You’re facing someone with all of Surfer’s power, plus the power of Herc and Lex with the skills and equipment of Cap and the Black Knight, so yeah he’s strong enough to beat them even without the spatial wave(since he‘s too tough to hurt and has the strength and equipment to one shot anyone on your team).

Originally posted by Typhus
With regards to Silver Adaptoid’s mind, yes, you get full knowledge of your powers, but that doesn’t mean you will use them as well as the original would or have the imagination/insight to come up with new tactics using those powers. What do you think the point of the “mind” part of the amalgam is? Characters will act in character, and depending on who’s in charge, it can be an advantage or it can prove fatal.
Wrong it means I can do anything Surfer can do just as well as he can. The difference is that he lacks Surfer’s ability to be innovative. But here’s the thing, you’re making my plan out to be so complex that it would require a lot of imagination to come up with and it’s not. The whole spatial energy wave is just a fancy name for a big energy blast so what makes you think he couldn’t come up with it?

Originally posted by Typhus
Which brings me to my next point. With characters acting in character, why would Super Adaptoid create a huge opening explosion with out even knowing who he’s up against. It’s not logical to waste that much energy on an unknown opponent. You’re writing your strategy as if SA knows exactly who he’s dealing with but he doesn’t. Super Adaptoid would not open the battle with such a plan, it just doesn’t make sense.
It’s not a waste of power because he’ll be replenishing his energy with the Nega Bands, so it makes perfect sense for him to use that much energy. So far in this tournament he’s faced off against a Waverider/Metron amalgam, a team with Thor and the Doctor on it(along with Reed and Lex), and a Zoom/Dr. Strange Amalgam so he knows the level of the competition. The mind of Super Adaptoid doesn’t really like to toy with opponents unless it’s to further a plan, he likes to take opponents out as quickly and efficiently as possible and goes for an opening “cheap shot“ whenever he can…
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1253/avengersv128913eo8.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
Yes he has full knowledge of his powers, however you’re taking two separate instances and making an assumption that combining them would equal some amazing unblockable attack. Adaptoid is just not that creative and like I said, such an opening would be illogical to Adaptoid.
If he came into the situation thinking something like…

“My bomb didn’t work in the first round because the energy type didn’t effect my opponent”

What would be the more logical than for him to think…
“Maybe I should use an energy type that effects a wider range of opponents”?



Originally posted by Typhus
You didn’t buy knowledge of the opposition and without that there’s not much you can prep for specifically. You’re writing your plan as if SA knows who he’s fighting and that’s not happening.
No I’m writing my plan as if I survived the previous rounds. With my uber “Adaptoid Army” plan(which is nearly identical to a plan he already attempted) from rounds one and two barred, I switched to the Time Bomb” strategy in round three, and it makes sense because Digi used a similar attack in round 2 and as you said the Super Adaptoid’s mind isn’t that original(come to think of it, he pretty much “adapted” the plan from Digi). When the blast didn’t work because of the energy type to one with a broader target range.

Now you want to tell me how you see that as anything OTHER than the natual progression of a plan for someone with Super Adaptoid’s mind?

Originally posted by Typhus
And here is SA being defeated once again because, like Cap says, he lacks the human element. He doesn’t have the imagination and fighting spirit that pushes him beyond his limits.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/142/72527026tv8.th.jpg http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3954/64177912rz5.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2797/20096453tx2.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1825/24803096yr9.th.jpg
In practice, giving Surfer SA’s mind is more of a hindrance than a help.
Yeah… in a fight between opponents are equal in every respect other than one of them as imagination and “fighting spirit” the one with spirit is going to win because he has something the other is lacking even though it’s a relatively minute difference. But this isn’t really a situation like that because my guy is strong/powerful enough to one shot any of your team, and he’s to fast/skilled/durable for any of them to hurt.

Originally posted by Typhus
And finally, how many templates are you trying to utilize at once? You have Herc’s strength, Lex’s powersuit, Cap’s shield, Black Knight’s weapons and you’re trying to then copy the powers of my heralds? You’ve said yourself that:

2 or 3 templates, he’s never shown the ability you’re pulling out now, which is 5 or more.

Oh that’s right you weren’t here in round one when I explained all that. As Hank Pym explains in this scan...

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17625832hc0.jpg

...the reason Super Adaptoid is limited in the number of people who's powers he can copy at once is because Super Adaptoid's body can only store/channel so much energy at a time. But the Silver Adaptoid doesn't have the body of SA, he has the body of Surfer and Surfer's body was MADE to store/channel unreal amounts of energy so I can access far more abilities at once than SA without overloading. Given the fact that after Surfer received his Black Body upgrade during the Unilord Saga(an upgrade he still possesses) he was able to store enough energy to combat an Elder God/Abstract level character on equal footing, I think it’s safe to say that he can handle the energies from the four templates I‘m using.

Originally posted by Typhus
And as for your post talking about the weaknesses of my heralds, well that would be important if you were fighting each of my heralds one on one.
They’re attacking one on one, and that’s a major mistake because my character is strong enough with the appropriate equipment to one shot ANY of them.
Originally posted by Typhus
My team keeping SA on his toes does not equate them standing there and watching their brothers get taken down. They’ll be hitting and running, striking from behind, and lending support so no one character will be fighting long enough to be defeated.
Hitting and running isn’t really an option for you. Not only is Surfer’s speed/reflexes FAR superior to anyone on your team he also has the equipment and skills of Captain America and the Black Knight working for him.

Originally posted by Typhus
Surfer my be a lot stronger then Terrax, but if Terrax impaled Surfer from behind while he was tired up with Morg, Surfer’s going to feel it.
Terrax will never get the chance because he’s my first target.

Originally posted by Typhus
SA cannot fight this battle on his terms because he won’t get a chance.
Sure I will. In a “best case scenario” for your team they’re going to be dealing with the energy wave when I come zipping in to kill Terrax before your team even knows what happened. In a worst case scenario(which is actually more likely since none of your team has the feats to support their being able to react) your team is going to be plastered against the dome for the opening seconds of the match and I’ll have to of them dead before anyone can scrape themselves off.

Originally posted by Typhus
Too many targets moving in and out of battle and striking when he’s not ready. Surfer is certainly powerful, but he’s not so far above my team that he can handle them all. With his initial attack failing, he’s going down.
Again you’re trying top act like you’re just facing Surfer and that’s false. The Silver Adaptoid is far more than just Surfer, for all intents and purposes Surfer+Hercules+Lex’s Power Suit(until it’s replaced with Terrax)+Captain America+Black Knight, that gives me everything I need to take down anyone on your team in a matter of SECONDS.

Darth outprepped, outgunned and outdebated his opponent.

Vote: Goob.

not sure the plan would go exactly as he expected, but SA is simply too much for these guys. they might hurt him and make him work for it a little bit, but in the end he's too much.

vote goob.

Doesn't the voting period end in like an hour? More judges should speak up...

i am still waiting for morg and stardust to be decicivly beaten, terrax and red shift have been debated thoroughly but morg and stardust are top teir heralds.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i am still waiting for morg and stardust to be decicivly beaten, terrax and red shift have been debated thoroughly but morg and stardust are top teir heralds.
By me or Typhuse because I already addressed them...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Since no one’s started judging yet I just thought I’d take some time to address the whole “One Herald vs. Four” stance. Simply put all Heralds are not created equal, and both Terrax and Red Shift are a joke in comparison of Surfer.

Terrax has been consistently portrayed as Surfer’s b*tch and has exactly ONE impressive feat to his credit(destroying a planet). He lacks intelligence and finesse and has an inferior level of the Power Cosmic than the Surfer. Just take a look at this scene where Terrax’s plans are thwarted by simple transmutation…
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/729/silversurferv309717dj2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9158/silversurferv309718if7.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6952/silversurferv30971920fj0.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5629/silversurferv309721oi2.jpg

Either…

A. Terrax lacks transmutation powers of his own just as he lack‘s the other heralds ability to fly(or he could have simply recreated the treasure)

Or

B. Terrax HAS transmutation powers and is just so dumb he forgot about them.

Either way you look at it, Terrax isn’t even in Surfer’s league, let alone some who has all of Sufer’s powers plus the combined strength and durability of Hercules and Lex’s suit(as well as the suits other abilities), and uber offensive/defensive weapon like Cap’s shield and Cap‘s skill at using it, an uber mystic weapon like the Sword of Light and Black Knight’s skill at using it.


Now we’ll move on to Stardust, since he was my designated second target. Now I’m willing to give credit where credit’s due and acknowledge that Stardust is on Surfer’s level, but being on Surfer’s level doesn’t mean you’re Surfer’s equal(just ask Firelord). When you get right down to it, Stardust strait up lacks the feats to place him as Surfer’s equal(maybe close, but no cigar). The most important thing to remember though is that Stardust is an energy being, and as I’ve already shown(but am about to show again) Cap’s shield wrecks havoc on characters made up of energy…
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2776/captainamericav3022pageua0.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/784/captainamericav3022pagesm3.jpg

One or two shots from Cap’s shield will cause more than enough damage to Stardust for the Silver Adaptoid to do something like this(assuming Stardust doesn’t go down to the shield itself, which seems to be the most likely scenario)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg


As for Red Shift, even though he’s more impressive than Terrax he’s still a far cry from Surfer in terms of raw power. Take a look at this scene where Surfer resist the power of Red Shift’s black hole, rebuilds and repowers the high tech armor of Alicia, breaches the Hypersphere, and then goes on to fight and defeat Red Shift WITHOUT his board(which he’s powering and guiding through hyperspace during the battle)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7696/galactusthedevourer213tv6.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9411/galactusthedevourer214bp5.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3701/galactusthedevourer215sli0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9323/galactusthedevourer217yj3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9425/galactusthedevourer218wg5.jpg

I think it’s safe to say that Surfer alone has Red Shift beaten hands down in overall power department.And again my guy has all of Surfer’s powers plus the combined strength and durability of Hercules and Lex’s suit(as well as the suits other abilities), and uber offensive/defensive weapon like Cap’s shield and Cap‘s skill at using it, an uber mystic weapon like the Sword of Light and Black Knight’s skill at using it.

That just leaves Morg and like Stardust, I DO credit him with being somewhere on Surfer’s level. But like also Stardust just being on Surfer’s level doesn’t make you Surfer’s equal. Morg’s raw power is impressive, but he’s really just a more powerful version of Terrax, all brawn with no brain to back it. That isn’t necessarily a hindrance when you’re as powerful as Morg but as this fight clearly demonstrates, Surfer has Morg beaten in raw power as well as finesse…

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My character is FAR more powerful than the Surfer alone, and Surfer himself has each of my opponents beaten on both power and versatility. All it’s going to take is one touch to add my opponents powers to my own and it’ll increase that gap even further.

Again, you’re planning like SA knows the ins and outs of my team, He doesn’t know who he’s fighting. Why does he assume Terrax is the weakest in my team and target him out first? He teleports to a member of my team (who are all defending behind a portal) and he’s in the middle of four blade wielding opponents. He’s not so fast that Terrax will be dead before my team can act, now you’re greatly overestimating your character.

Best case scenario for you would be getting the drop on who you hope is the weakest opponent and get in a hit before you’re jumped but the rest of my team. Worst case scenario you’re too drained from the attack to follow up, and as you’re recharging your energy, My team rushes you and demolishes SA with minimal struggle.

Look, my guys aren’t going to fight you in a series of one on ones, that’s not what I meant. That’s not tactically sound and really out of character. I meant that when one of my team needs a breather, he’ll have the freedom to pull out and recharge because there’s still 3 others to keep Adaptoid busy. And ‘keep busy’ is being generous. Once his board is destroyed, while he’s busy exchanging hits with Morg - Terrax, Redshift, or Stardust can come in from behind and drive their weapon right between SA’s shoulder blades.

And again, all your scans are of Silver Surfer, and now even a scan of Doctor Doom using Silver Surfer’s powers. It just isn’t relevant. The way Doom and Surfer use the powers are different than the way a clinical machine mind will. In that same line of thought, I could claim that all my characters can do similar feats because they have all been granted the power cosmic, it just doesn’t work that way. He can use all of Surfers powers, but not apply them the way more creative minds such as Surfer and Doom can.

And as for your claim that with Surfer’s body his ability to use templates is greatly increased, well I see no proof that Surfer’s Body has THAT much more power than Adaptoid’s. Surfer has run out of energy before and with him expending so much energy in the opening attack, copying weapons and templates, and fighting 4 heralds, he’s going to wear himself out. As for the instantly recharging the nega-bands, I find that hard to believe to say the least without a scan. After the initial attack, he’ll be too drained to charge in, or, if he does charge at that power, he will be crushed.

And speaking of the templates, giving yourself the strength of Herc would actually make you weaker, since Silver Surfer is already stronger. The strength is not exponential or scaled, that just makes you easier to defeat. Also, using Cap’s shield to destroy Stardust is extremely presumptuous when Beta Ray Bill’s enchanted hammer could do little to Stardust. At best he was ‘destroyed’ and reformed in a matter on minutes. And when you take into consideration the fact that the shield is a copy of Caps and not the original, that makes it even more far fetched. I’m sticking with the scan that shows SA says his copy of the Quantum Bands are inferior.

Like I said, if my team stood around and watched as you killed them in a series of one v ones, then undoubtedly SA would win. But that’s simply not the case. Your plan relies on infinite energy and a divide and conquer battle plan which is not going to happen with my team.

(And one sec, gathering my Morg and Stardust scans)

(for goob's post)

i know the surfer can defeat them all single handedly but the only REAL factor is if the adaptoid can permanently rid of a herald he attacks quickly enough to avoid getting triple teamed by the unoccupied heralds?

for me, the only thing holding my vote for you is the speed in which SA can dispatch his opponents to lessen their numbers because he gets their abilities when he mimics them, not their added power to his own.

Here, Morg practically one shots Silver Surfer:
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Having SA’s mind does not make him exponentially stronger, it grants him more abilities, however he still has Surfer’s durability. Morg can take Surfer, and now Morg has backup, SA is going down.


And as I’ve said, Stardust can reform his body with minimal effort:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6769/stormbreaker0310re3.th.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1664/stormbreaker0311sy1.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2637/stormbreaker0316lo1.th.jpg
Stardust is not getting taken out by a copy of Cap’s shield. Here we see a Mjolnir copy could not prevent him from reforming.

And here, SA has absorbed Warbird’s flight, yet cannot control it anywhere NEAR as well as she can, which allows Spiderman to own him.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9111/newavengersannual0122zk7.th.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2149/newavengersannual0123df3.th.jpg
So to reiterate, YES he has the powers, but NO it does not make him anywhere near as adept at using them as the person he copied them from.

Originally posted by Typhus
Again, you’re planning like SA knows the ins and outs of my team, He doesn’t know who he’s fighting. Why does he assume Terrax is the weakest in my team and target him out first? He teleports to a member of my team (who are all defending behind a portal) and he’s in the middle of four blade wielding opponents. He’s not so fast that Terrax will be dead before my team can act, now you’re greatly overestimating your character.
In case you missed it I had the Super Adaptoid use the Cosmic Awareness of Surfer to pick up details on your team, and as Surfer demonstrates here powers/abilities and such ARE picked up by his Cosmic Awareness…
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5489/cospowunlim199600411no5.jpg
So I WILL know the abilities of your team.

And his ability to read energy signatures
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7614/daredevil28116hz4.jpg

Means that I’ll know that Terrsx has less power than the rest of your team.

And again if your team already has a plan they are moving to execute and have to suddenly stop and deal with the spatial energy wave, what makes you think any of them are going to be available to save Terrax when I do something like this to him…
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2359/newwarriors01713uv2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3507/newwarriors01716ep3.jpg

And what makes you think Terrax will be able to do anything AT ALL to prevent given his obvious vulnerability to Surfer’s speed?


Originally posted by Typhus
Best case scenario for you would be getting the drop on who you hope is the weakest opponent and get in a hit before you’re jumped but the rest of my team. Worst case scenario you’re too drained from the attack to follow up, and as you’re recharging your energy, My team rushes you and demolishes SA with minimal struggle.
No in a best case scenario(from my POV) would be plowing into Terrax while your team is plastered against the dome from the spatial energy wave. The worst case scenario would be your reacting to the wave and me having to teleport past your portal before slamming Terrax into the dome at a 1000x lightspeed and pinning him to the dome like he does Durok(who’s stronger than Thor) here…
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4742/thor19317sy8.jpg

Touch him while he’s pinned(since touch instantly adapts powers), and then decapitate him with the Sword of Light. Total elapse time before Terrax‘s death= 3 seconds, and that’s in the BEST case scenario for your team.

Originally posted by Typhus
Look, my guys aren’t going to fight you in a series of one on ones, that’s not what I meant. That’s not tactically sound and really out of character. I meant that when one of my team needs a breather, he’ll have the freedom to pull out and recharge because there’s still 3 others to keep Adaptoid busy. And ‘keep busy’ is being generous. Once his board is destroyed, while he’s busy exchanging hits with Morg - Terrax, Redshift, or Stardust can come in from behind and drive their weapon right between SA’s shoulder blades.
One of your team will never get the chance for a breather because they’re not going to last that long due to my superior strength, speed, skill, and equipment. There’s not a single person on your team with the POSSIBLE exception of Stardust that I can’t one shot.

Originally posted by Typhus
And again, all your scans are of Silver Surfer, and now even a scan of Doctor Doom using Silver Surfer’s powers. It just isn’t relevant. The way Doom and Surfer use the powers are different than the way a clinical machine mind will. In that same line of thought, I could claim that all my characters can do similar feats because they have all been granted the power cosmic, it just doesn’t work that way. He can use all of Surfers powers, but not apply them the way more creative minds such as Surfer and Doom can.
Aren’t you basing your characters abilities off of Surfer’s though? I haven’t seen a single speed feat and you’re automatically assuming they can react to the opening blast…

And here’s an example of the difference between Surfer using Surfer’s powers and SXA using Surfer’s powers.

Surfer can evolve life and transmute creatures into other creatures right? Now since I have full knowledge of how to use Surfer’s powers I could do both of those things just as well but unlike Surfer I couldn’t steer the evolution/transmutation to create an entirely different species because I lack the creativity to come up with one.

All I’m doing is setting up a blast I KNOW is within my capabilities and switching out one type of energy for another more efficient type, there’s no creativity needed for that.

Originally posted by Typhus
And as for your claim that with Surfer’s body his ability to use templates is greatly increased, well I see no proof that Surfer’s Body has THAT much more power than Adaptoid’s. Surfer has run out of energy before and with him expending so much energy in the opening attack, copying weapons and templates, and fighting 4 heralds, he’s going to wear himself out. As for the instantly recharging the nega-bands, I find that hard to believe to say the least without a scan. After the initial attack, he’ll be too drained to charge in, or, if he does charge at that power, he will be crushed.
It’s not how much power the body HAS, it’s the amount the body can STORE. And as his fight with the Unilord demonstrates, after his Black Body upgrade his capacity to store energy became quite significant…
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8027/silversurfer199611922ul0.jpg
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As for recharging with the Nega Bands, here’s a scan to prove it…
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3553/captainmarvel05816tg5.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
And speaking of the templates, giving yourself the strength of Herc would actually make you weaker, since Silver Surfer is already stronger. The strength is not exponential or scaled, that just makes you easier to defeat. Also, using Cap’s shield to destroy Stardust is extremely presumptuous when Beta Ray Bill’s enchanted hammer could do little to Stardust. At best he was ‘destroyed’ and reformed in a matter on minutes. And when you take into consideration the fact that the shield is a copy of Caps and not the original, that makes it even more far fetched. I’m sticking with the scan that shows SA says his copy of the Quantum Bands are inferior.
Surfer’s got Herc beat in most categories, but pure strength isn’t one of them. Herc’s strength is the equal of Thor, and both Thor and Herc’s strength feats trump Surfer’s. Plus it’s not even just the strength of Herc at my disposal, I also have the strength of Lex’s suit from my match with Digi added to it…
Originally posted by DigiMark007
First, the icing. We’ll get to the cake in a second. I assume everyone has seen this suit by now:
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Lex will outfit himself with one, since he’s just a human otherwise. Similarly, The Doctor will copy it and make copies for both himself and Reed, so that they have some protection beyond their other powers.

The Doctor will alter the suit’s blasts, since K-nite radiation blasts won’t do much against Surfer. Something more traditional. For example:
http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=116xg.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
Like I said, if my team stood around and watched as you killed them in a series of one v ones, then undoubtedly SA would win. But that’s simply not the case. Your plan relies on infinite energy and a divide and conquer battle plan which is not going to happen with my team.
I need neither infinite energy nor a divide and conquer approach to win, because your team outright lacks the power to put down someone with my defenses and none of them are tough enough to survive a single shot from Cap’s shield or the Sword of light when it’s backed by the combined strength of Herc and Lex’s suit.

I'm voting for Typhus. Sorry goob but his plan simply seemed to be more likely to occur. He put doubt into my mind about just what Super Adaptoid can accomplish, and you did not adequately explain away those fears.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure the plan would go exactly as he expected, but SA is simply too much for these guys. they might hurt him and make him work for it a little bit, but in the end he's too much.

vote goob.

My thoughts, word for word.

With a little less capitalization than I'd use, but close enough.

I'm leaning towards Typhus so far...

Morg himself is a formidable match for Silver Adaptoid, add in the other heralds at the same time and it seems hard for me to accept Silver Adaptoid can win

Also, what is so special about Cap's shield?

PS: take my comments with a grain of salt, i haven't read all the arguments (finishing up 2 final papers)

it absorbs energy, especially kinetic energy like a whistle blow in a sound proof room, in the middle of deep space.

and it can be thrown by cap pretty hard and with a lot of damage to the opponent, someone with even twice his strength coupled with his throwing skill is fatal.

oh and the scan of the shield hurting ulysses klaw, klaw is vulnerable to vibranium as it absorbs the sound that keeps his quasi-solid body intact.
not the same as stardust at all.

And here, he’s bested by the Thing. Once again, he overpowers his opponent, but it beaten by the human determination of his weaker adversary.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8810/m2n107535zu0.th.jpg http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7849/m2n107536rd9.th.jpg
SA’s mind just seems like a restraint to Surfer, who has overcome similar odds when dealing with overwhelming opponents. Cap, Thing, and Spidey were all much weaker opponents and were able to beat SA, I don’t see how putting him in Surfers body will suddenly make him unbeatable when he’s versing Surfer level opponents working as a team and complimenting each others abilities.

And about your sensing my opponents, that argument just strengthens my position because my team has cosmic awareness as well, and can sense the immense energy build up and prepare. You are greatly overestimating your amalgam.

As for the Nega-bands recharge scan, that’s nowhere near the scale you’re talking about. He hasn’t expended a huge amount of energy in a field consuming attack and is trying to fully recharge to deal with 4 heralds INSTANTLY since he’s following right behind the blast wave.

Also, your attack totally relies on impaling Terrax with the board, which as I’ve said, isn’t happening. You have no backup and your scans are remotely related to the battle at best. My strategy is much more in character and likely. In all the scans I’ve found, SA’s style isn’t represented by your plan and he’s consistently beaten by weaker opponents.

Originally posted by Typhus
Again, you’re planning like SA knows the ins and outs of my team, He doesn’t know who he’s fighting. Why does he assume Terrax is the weakest in my team and target him out first? He teleports to a member of my team (who are all defending behind a portal) and he’s in the middle of four blade wielding opponents. He’s not so fast that Terrax will be dead before my team can act, now you’re greatly overestimating your character.
In case you missed it I had the Super Adaptoid use the Cosmic Awareness of Surfer to pick up details on your team, and as Surfer demonstates here powers/abilities and such ARE picked up by his Cosmic Awareness…
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5489/cospowunlim199600411no5.jpg
So I WILL know the abilities of your team.

And his ability to read energy signatures
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7614/daredevil28116hz4.jpg

Means that I’ll know that Terrsx has less power than the rest of your team.

And again if your team already has a plan they are moving to execute and have to suddenly stop and deal with the spatial energy wave, what makes you think any of them are going to be available to save Terrax when I do something like this to him…
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2359/newwarriors01713uv2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3507/newwarriors01716ep3.jpg

And what makes you think Terrax will be able to do anything AT ALL to prevent given his obvious vulnerability to Surfer’s speed?


Originally posted by Typhus
Best case scenario for you would be getting the drop on who you hope is the weakest opponent and get in a hit before you’re jumped but the rest of my team. Worst case scenario you’re too drained from the attack to follow up, and as you’re recharging your energy, My team rushes you and demolishes SA with minimal struggle.
No in a best case scenario(from my POV) would be plowing into Terrax while your team is plastered against the dome from the spatial energy wave. The worst case scenario would be your reacting to the wave and me having to teleport past your portal before slamming Terrax into the dome at a 1000x lightspeed and pinning him to the dome like he does Durok(who’s stronger than Thor) here…
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4742/thor19317sy8.jpg

Touch him while he’s pinned(since touch instantly adapts powers), and then decapitate him with the Sword of Light. Total elapse time before Terrax‘s death= 3 seconds, and that’s in the BEST case scenario for your team.

Originally posted by Typhus
Look, my guys aren’t going to fight you in a series of one on ones, that’s not what I meant. That’s not tactically sound and really out of character. I meant that when one of my team needs a breather, he’ll have the freedom to pull out and recharge because there’s still 3 others to keep Adaptoid busy. And ‘keep busy’ is being generous. Once his board is destroyed, while he’s busy exchanging hits with Morg - Terrax, Redshift, or Stardust can come in from behind and drive their weapon right between SA’s shoulder blades.
One of your team will never get the chance for a breather because they’re not going to last that long due to my superior strength, speed, skill, and equipment. There’s not a single person on your team with the POSSIBLE exception of Stardust that I can’t one shot.

Originally posted by Typhus
And again, all your scans are of Silver Surfer, and now even a scan of Doctor Doom using Silver Surfer’s powers. It just isn’t relevant. The way Doom and Surfer use the powers are different than the way a clinical machine mind will. In that same line of thought, I could claim that all my characters can do similar feats because they have all been granted the power cosmic, it just doesn’t work that way. He can use all of Surfers powers, but not apply them the way more creative minds such as Surfer and Doom can.
Aren’t you basing your characters abilities off of Surfer’s though? I haven’t seen a single speed feat for any of your team and you’re automatically assuming they can react to the opening blast…

And here’s an example of the difference between Surfer using Surfer’s powers and SA using Surfer’s powers.

Surfer can evolve life and transmute creatures into other creatures right? Now since I have full knowledge of how to use Surfer’s powers I could do both of those things just as well but unlike Surfer I couldn’t steer the evolution/transmutation to create an entirely different species because I lack the creativity to come up with one.

All I’m doing is setting up a blast I KNOW is within my capabilities and switching out one type of energy for another more efficient type, there’s no creativity needed for that.
Originally posted by Typhus
Here, Morg practically one shots Silver Surfer:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2419/silversurferv307106mv0.th.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3648/silversurferv307107li9.th.jpg http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5117/silversurferv307108re9.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5818/silversurferv307109tc2.th.jpg
Having SA’s mind does not make him exponentially stronger, it grants him more abilities, however he still has Surfer’s durability. Morg can take Surfer, and now Morg has backup, SA is going down.
Having SA's mind doesn't, you're right about that. But having the ability to increase his strength to the combined levels of Herc and Lex DOES. As for durability, I have either Surfer's or the combined durability of Lex's battle suit and Hercules, whichever's greater(and I'm betting on the combination). And aside from that level of durability I also have Surfer's speed and the skill's and equipment of Cap and the Black Knight working for me.

Morg gets beaten by Surfer when Surfer's unarmed, physically weaker, and DOESN'T have the uber offensive/defensive weapons(as well as the skill to use them) of Captain America and the Black Knight.

Just think about it, if Cap's shield can actually HURT Wonderman...
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2909/mgn2742qx4.jpg

And KO Namor...
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9519/weaponxvol01no14decembeaq7.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7117/weaponxvol01no14decemberc0.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/407/weaponxvol01no14decembelq6.jpg

...when it's only backed by Cap's "peak human" level strength, then what are Morg's chances of retaining consciousness after getting tagged with it by someone with the combined strength of Herc and Lex's power suit? I can tell you what his chances are are... ZERO.



Originally posted by Typhus
And as I’ve said, Stardust can reform his body with minimal effort:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6769/stormbreaker0310re3.th.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1664/stormbreaker0311sy1.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2637/stormbreaker0316lo1.th.jpg
Stardust is not getting taken out by a copy of Cap’s shield. Here we see a Mjolnir copy could not prevent him from reforming.
Does BRB’s hammer have Cap’s track record of disrupting/injuring energy beings the way Cap’s shield does? No… then it not affecting Stardust like that is inconsequential. If nothing else a couple of shot’s from Cap’s shield would leave Stardust damaged/disoriented enough for my guy to do this…

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it absorbs energy, especially kinetic energy like a whistle blow in a sound proof room, in the middle of deep space.

and it can be thrown by cap pretty hard and with a lot of damage to the opponent, someone with even twice his strength coupled with his throwing skill is fatal. ah i see, thanks

I'm still leaning towards typhus

since his shield can only block one direction at a time...and if he is blocking, then he isn't using it to attack. if he uses it to attack, then he loses the defensive advantage. Typhus teams numbers seem a bit hard to overcome.

count my vote for typhus for the time being

Originally posted by Typhus
And here, SA has absorbed Warbird’s flight, yet cannot control it anywhere NEAR as well as she can, which allows Spiderman to own him.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9111/newavengersannual0122zk7.th.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2149/newavengersannual0123df3.th.jpg
So to reiterate, YES he has the powers, but NO it does not make him anywhere near as adept at using them as the person he copied them from.
That's not the true Super Adaptoid, it's a human who was given powers similar to the Super Adaptoid. Do you have anything from the character who makes up my amalgam to suggest such a thing is true for him?

after reading, i got to go with goober on this one... his planning and strategy just seem to strike more of a chord with me, like they're the more likely outcome...

goober vote...

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's not the true Super Adaptoid, it's a human who was given powers similar to the Super Adaptoid. Do you have anything from the character who makes up my amalgam to suggest such a thing is true for him?

Just his own words:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5476/quasar20029af2.th.jpg

He says the Quantum Bands he duplicated where inferior to the real thing, and from what I've seen, the same goes for copied abilities.

Originally posted by Typhus
And here, he’s bested by the Thing. Once again, he overpowers his opponent, but it beaten by the human determination of his weaker adversary.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8810/m2n107535zu0.th.jpg http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7849/m2n107536rd9.th.jpg
SA’s mind just seems like a restraint to Surfer, who has overcome similar odds when dealing with overwhelming opponents. Cap, Thing, and Spidey were all much weaker opponents and were able to beat SA, I don’t see how putting him in Surfers body will suddenly make him unbeatable when he’s versing Surfer level opponents working as a team and complimenting each others abilities.
You're really using an instance where SA was confined to using only one or two templates as proof that he can be beaten by your team? Of course the Thing was able to put him down because he was only as strong/durable as the Thing himself at the time. My guy is more powerful, stronger, more durable, faster, more skilled and equipped with far better weaponry at his disposal than anyone on your team. Since you decided to send them in one and two at a time none of them are going to last past the opening shield bash or sword swipe.

Originally posted by Typhus
And about your sensing my opponents, that argument just strengthens my position because my team has cosmic awareness as well, and can sense the immense energy build up and prepare. You are greatly overestimating your amalgam.
I'm sorry what was it you said here...
Originally posted by Typhus
And again, all your scans are of Silver Surfer, and now even a scan of Doctor Doom using Silver Surfer’s powers. It just isn’t relevant. The way Doom and Surfer use the powers are different than the way a clinical machine mind will. In that same line of thought, I could claim that all my characters can do similar feats because they have all been granted the power cosmic, it just doesn’t work that way. He can use all of Surfers powers, but not apply them the way more creative minds such as Surfer and Doom can.

So far you've tried to milk the known abilities of Surfer for speed(by assuming your team is fast enough to react to my amalgam despite there being ZERO speed feats to their credit) and now you're trying to say that they have the same cosmic senses as he does...

As Galactus himself establishes here...
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4254/silversurfer198901905ly9.jpg

The senses of his herald are NOT equal.

Originally posted by Typhus
As for the Nega-bands recharge scan, that’s nowhere near the scale you’re talking about. He hasn’t expended a huge amount of energy in a field consuming attack and is trying to fully recharge to deal with 4 heralds INSTANTLY since he’s following right behind the blast wave.
I set up the blast during prep and then recharged afterwards(but before the match itself starts). I'll be fully replenished when the bell rings even if I have to drain all the energy from the Sun to do it(SA is an villain, so the condition of our sun is inconsequential to him).

Originally posted by Typhus
Also, your attack totally relies on impaling Terrax with the board, which as I’ve said, isn’t happening. You have no backup and your scans are remotely related to the battle at best. My strategy is much more in character and likely. In all the scans I’ve found, SA’s style isn’t represented by your plan and he’s consistently beaten by weaker opponents.
Two instances of Surfer's speed being too much for Terrax to react to isn't proof?

Originally posted by Typhus
Just his own words:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5476/quasar20029af2.th.jpg

He says the Quantum Bands he duplicated where inferior to the real thing, and from what I've seen, the same goes for copied abilities.
That's because uber item's like the Quantum Bands and Thor's hammer ARE replicated imperfectly, but the same doesn't hold true of general abilities and powers or even all complex items(he's copied Iron Man's armor, Cap's shield, and the Nega Bands with NO difference shown or stated).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it absorbs energy, especially kinetic energy like a whistle blow in a sound proof room, in the middle of deep space.

and it can be thrown by cap pretty hard and with a lot of damage to the opponent, someone with even twice his strength coupled with his throwing skill is fatal.

oh and the scan of the shield hurting ulysses klaw, klaw is vulnerable to vibranium as it absorbs the sound that keeps his quasi-solid body intact.
not the same as stardust at all.
That's why I also included these scan...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg

Hehe...

Using Lex's suit. Irony.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's why I also included these scan...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg goober, one question: If SA uses the shield offensively, doesn't he lose his one defensive advantage and open himself up for attack by the other three heralds?

Originally posted by Starscream M
ah i see, thanks

I'm still leaning towards typhus

since his shield can only block one direction at a time...and if he is blocking, then he isn't using it to attack. if he uses it to attack, then he loses the defensive advantage. Typhus teams numbers seem a bit hard to overcome.
What makes you think he'll need to block more than one direction at a time? He's going to have Terrax dead in the opening seconds and Stardust won't be far behind. Morg and Red Shift are both brawlers and given my characters far superior speed and skill taking them on is going to be a snap.

And even if I throw my shield it's not going to leave me defenseless. I'll still have Surfer's speed, Cap's skills at dodging, Black Knight's skills(and an Uber Mystic Sword that can parry anything my opponents throw at me), and either the combined durability of Herc and Lex's power suit or the durability of the Surfer(whichever's greater).

And that's not counting Surfer's capacity for creating force fields...
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2899/silversurfer199712527ks9.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7526/silversurferv3146p12if3.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
goober, one question: If SA uses the shield offensively, doesn't he lose his one defensive advantage and open himself up for attack by the other three heralds?
I targeted Terrax first so I don't even have to use the shield at first, I can use the Sword of Light to take him out. Also see the above post.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I targeted Terrax first so I don't even have to use the shield at first, I can use the Sword of Light to take him out. Also see the above post. I appreciate your assessment

but it seems the picture you're painting has Surfer kinda doing all the aggression and the other team is simply reacting

whereas I find it more likely that at the second the match starts, both sides are going at each other

you have 4 heralds against one powered up herald

Surfer as you say would try to take out terrax at the start...and I would agree a few seconds would be all that is needed, assuming he was facing terrax alone. but here, he has 3 other heralds unleashing blasts and attacks at him at the get go, so I don't think taking out terrax would be as simple as you believe.

and similarly, the forcefield is effective, and in your scans protected him against powerful attacks...but the combined attacks of several heralds seems to me to leave him no breathing room to really take advantage of it as much as a one on one battle affords

I just find the numbers a bit too much to overcome...facing 4 heralds is not the same as facing 4 heralds one at a time in a row, its facing all 4 at once.

Why is Bruce debating against Darth?

Anyway, Darth out debated, and countered more than enough for me to say he won.

I vote for Darth.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Why is Bruce debating against Darth?

Anyway, Darth out debated, and countered more than enough for me to say he won.

I vote for Darth. aren't we supposed to explain why we vote one way or the other? I thought that was what Evangel wanted.

I find it more helpful for Goober to attempt to sway my vote if I lay out the reasons why i voted for Typhus rather than if I just posted that Typhus outdebated Goober.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
(for goob's post)

i know the surfer can defeat them all single handedly but the only REAL factor is if the adaptoid can permanently rid of a herald he attacks quickly enough to avoid getting triple teamed by the unoccupied heralds?
That's the thing, it doesn't matter if he ends up getting triple teamed. Surfer's faster than any of my opponents by a fair amount and that speed is now complimented by the combined skills and equipment of the Black Knight and Captain America.

And that's aside from the fact that Cap's shield and the Sword of Light are backed by the combined strength of Herc and Lex, I think it's safe to say that he's more than capable of taking down any of them fairly quickly.

And since there's been nothing to suggest that anyone on his team can react to or counter the spatial energy wave in the opening second of the match it means that his entire team is going to be plastered to the dome for the first part of the match(giving me aple time to take out both Terrax and Stardust).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
for me, the only thing holding my vote for you is the speed in which SA can dispatch his opponents to lessen their numbers because he gets their abilities when he mimics them, not their added power to his own.
You seem to be mistaken. Super Adaptoid CAN "stack" attributes, he just avoids it because of his limit on using templates(which the Silver Adaptoid lacks)...

SA "stacks" the mental abilities of Dr. Druid and Mentallo...
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/avengersv128820zu0.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4319/avengersv128822ao3.jpg

SA "stacks" the strength of Thor and Hercules to overpower Herc...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7803/avengers04516ea4.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2064/avengers04517wv9.jpg

So when I adapt the powers of Terrax and the rest, I'll have the Power Cosmic of the Silver Surfer with the Power Cosmic of Terrax added to it.

Darthgoober, you have yet to actually address the issue of the mind of your amalgam. You keep avoiding the issue. I’ve brought up repeatedly that you traded Silver Surfer’s mind for a machine mind. This very machine mind that been defeated at least three to four separate occasions by weaker opponents (regardless of whatever template he had) because he lacks imagination, thought, and the ability create new attacks. I could keep posting more and more scans of Super Adaptoid getting defeated by weaker teams, but I’m not. I’ve made my point clear already.

ALL these scans of silver surfer you keep posting don’t necessary apply to this battle because it’s the SILVER SURFER (soul, body, and MIND) who is the one who is performing all those feats. You’re guaranteed to use full use of your powers, but that doesn’t mean that the Super Adaptoid will use those powers in the same way that the SILVER SURFER (mind, body, and soul) would. You don’t seem to see this as a problem for your amalgam. But your forgetting a couple things.

According to the rules:


Silver Surfer will act like Silver Surfer.
A Machine will act like a machine.
All this talk of creating some sort of giant energy explosion at the beginning of the match is ludicrous. Why in the world would a Machine Mind do such a thing? He’s more likely to engage this opponents one on one and absorb all their powers and defeat them. Not waste all your energy in a dubious bomb explosion. It’s not logical to waste all your energy on opponents you have no knowledge of, especially when your outnumbered. You don’t have Silver Surfer’s memories, just his powers, and not to mention you didn’t buy.

According to the rules:


You have NO knowledge of my time during prep time. You can’t spy on my team earlier, because you didn’t buy 2 things.

1.

AND

The rules CLEARLY state.

2.
Even if you could spy on my team during prep with one of your abilities, the rules will not allow you to do so.

Originally posted by Starscream M
aren't we supposed to explain why we vote one way or the other? I thought that was what Evangel wanted.

I find it more helpful for Goober to attempt to sway my vote if I lay out the reasons why i voted for Typhus rather than if I just posted that Typhus outdebated Goober. You said earlier that you didn't even read the whole thread.

And when the 'outdebating' actually has to do with everything? If he out debated him, it's pretty self explanatory that the person got beat. And when the judge biasly chooses the other person based on the team... well, that's not good judging at all.

And besides, why don't you actually read the thread? I mean, you obviously can't be working too hard on those finals.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You seem to be mistaken. Super Adaptoid CAN "stack" attributes, he just avoids it because of his limit on using templates(which the Silver Adaptoid lacks)...

SA "stacks" the mental abilities of Dr. Druid and Mentallo...
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/avengersv128820zu0.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4319/avengersv128822ao3.jpg

SA "stacks" the strength of Thor and Hercules to overpower Herc...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7803/avengers04516ea4.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2064/avengers04517wv9.jpg

So when I adapt the powers of Terrax and the rest, I'll have the Power Cosmic of the Silver Surfer with the Power Cosmic of Terrax added to it.
According to the rules your not allowed to stack strength or any other attribute for that matter. You get whomever is the strongest. In your case you would have to switchout a character's power before using the same power

Originally posted by Starscream M
I appreciate your assessment

but it seems the picture you're painting has Surfer kinda doing all the aggression and the other team is simply reacting

whereas I find it more likely that at the second the match starts, both sides are going at each other

you have 4 heralds against one powered up herald

Surfer as you say would try to take out terrax at the start...and I would agree a few seconds would be all that is needed, assuming he was facing terrax alone. but here, he has 3 other heralds unleashing blasts and attacks at him at the get go, so I don't think taking out terrax would be as simple as you believe.

and similarly, the forcefield is effective, and in your scans protected him against powerful attacks...but the combined attacks of several heralds seems to me to leave him no breathing room to really take advantage of it as much as a one on one battle affords

I just find the numbers a bit too much to overcome...facing 4 heralds is not the same as facing 4 heralds one at a time in a row, its facing all 4 at once.

Reacting is all the other team CAN do. In the opening second of the match they're going to be assaulted by a spatial energy wave so any plans they have are going to have to be put on hold unless they want to end up plastered against the indestructible dome. While they're in the process of dealing with that wave(and there's been nothing offered up to suggest that they could react to it in time or at all) I'll be plowing into Terrax at Surfer's top speed and slamming him into the dome before pinning him with my board.

Terrax's vulnerability to Surfer's speed...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2359/newwarriors01713uv2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3507/newwarriors01716ep3.jpg

Surfer using his board to pin down Durok(who's stronger than Thor)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4742/thor19317sy8.jpg

After he’s pinned helpless it’s just a matter of touching him(to instantly adapt his powers) and then decapitating him with either Cap’s shield or the Sword of light. The entire encounter will take a total of 2 or three seconds MAX.

And given the effects of Cap’s shield on energy beings, Stardust isn’t going to fair much longer(unless there’s some proof that shows him resisting that kind of attack(and I’m a Stardust fan, so I know for a fact that there’s not).

Originally posted by Typhus
According to the rules your not allowed to stack strength or any other attribute for that matter. You get whomever is the strongest. In your case you would have to switchout a character's power before using the same power

You're not allowed to stack AMALGAMATED attributes. So I was mistaken in saying that Terrax's Power Cosmic would be added to Surfer's because that's stacking through amalgamation. But in regards to doing something like stacking the strength of Herc and Lex, that IS allowed because the stacking only comes from one component of the amalgam. And when I start adapting the powers of your team, THOSE will be stacked as well(meaning that within a matter of minutes I'll be able to use either the combined Power Cosmic of Terrax, Stardust, Red Shift, and Morg OR the Power Cosmic of the Silver Surfer.

The funny thing is that I actually managed to keep that in mind until I answered PG's question. That's why I've been saying things like he has either the durability of the Surfer of the combined durability of Herc and Lex.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Terrax's vulnerability to Surfer's speed...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2359/newwarriors01713uv2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3507/newwarriors01716ep3.jpg

the first scan doesn't work

I think this is a powerful argument, that Surfer's speed would negate the numbers factor of the other team, so does Surfer enjoy a similar speed advantage against the other three heralds? (sorry if you've already shown this previously)

So far, every scan you’ve posted has been of Surfer (or Doom in an odd change of pace). My scans are either of my team, or of Adaptoid being bested. You’re not using Surfer, you’re using Adaptoid. Surfer’s feats are irrelevant because he uses his powers in creative ways and has mastered their use through trial and error. Adaptoid is a machine.

As for your strategy, it seems you’re trying to wield SA as your avatar for attacks you’ve come up with from multiple sources, not presenting how SA would tackle this fight. It’s out of character and you’ve shown no scans to back up that ‘this is how Adaptoid would fight’. Does Adaptoid have a history of blitzing? Because the only speed feats you’ve talked about are Surfer’s, and as I’ve said Adaptoid isn’t Surfer.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're not allowed to stack AMALGAMATED attributes. So I was mistaken in saying that Terrax's Power Cosmic would be added to Surfer's because that's stacking through amalgamation. But in regards to doing something like stacking the strength of Herc and Lex, that IS allowed because the stacking only comes from one component of the amalgam. And when I start adapting the powers of your team, THOSE will be stacked as well(meaning that within a matter of minutes I'll be able to use either the combined Power Cosmic of Terrax, Stardust, Red Shift, and Morg OR the Power Cosmic of the Silver Surfer.

The funny thing is that I actually managed to keep that in mind until I answered PG's question. That's why I've been saying things like he has either the durability of the Surfer of the combined durability of Herc and Lex.

So in that case wouldn’t it be power boosting? Which also requires a purchase to use. I’m sure if basic powers aren’t allowed to stack or boost a character than copied powers aren’t either. In fact, anything you absorb becomes an attribute of YOUR amalgam, effectively making it YOUR power and therefore not allowed to be stacked.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the first scan doesn't work

I think this is a powerful argument, that Surfer's speed would negate the numbers factor of the other team, so does Surfer enjoy a similar speed advantage against the other three heralds? (sorry if you've already shown this previously)

Surfer could not overwhelm Morg with speed. In fact, Morg blitzes as well. Here he rushed and demolished Firelord and Airwalker, they didn't couldn't even counterattack:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9305/silversurferannual0712th2.th.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/780/silversurferannual0713ko0.th.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7357/silversurferannual0714im1.th.jpg http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6902/silversurferannual0715aw4.th.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1865/silversurferannual0716ky2.th.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1681/silversurferannual0717yw7.th.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3280/silversurferannual0718hg8.th.jpg

Originally posted by Typhus
Darthgoober, you have yet to actually address the issue of the mind of your amalgam. You keep avoiding the issue. I’ve brought up repeatedly that you traded Silver Surfer’s mind for a machine mind. This very machine mind that been defeated at least three to four separate occasions by weaker opponents (regardless of whatever template he had) because he lacks imagination, thought, and the ability create new attacks. I could keep posting more and more scans of Super Adaptoid getting defeated by weaker teams, but I’m not. I’ve made my point clear already.
The templates he's accessing at the time DO figure into it. Whether or not he was beaten by someone else on a different day when both were less powerful is completely meaningless. Thing is strong enough to hurt someone with Thing level strength/durability just like Cap's able to hurt someone with Cap level strength/durability. But you've shown NOTHING to suggest that it's even POSSIBLE for you to take down someone with the Silver Adaptoid's level of strength, durability, speed, skill, overall power, and equipment.

Originally posted by Typhus
ALL these scans of silver surfer you keep posting don’t necessary apply to this battle because it’s the SILVER SURFER (soul, body, and MIND) who is the one who is performing all those feats. You’re guaranteed to use full use of your powers, but that doesn’t mean that the Super Adaptoid will use those powers in the same way that the SILVER SURFER (mind, body, and soul) would. You don’t seem to see this as a problem for your amalgam. But your forgetting a couple things.
I’m not trying to use them in the same way Surfer uses them, I’m just replicating a couple of UNIMAGINATIVE feats, which I can do because I have full knowledge and use of Surfer’s powers. See what you’re wanting is proof that this particular strategy is the one he’s guaranteed to think of, but that’s not necessary because I’m the one controlling him so I dictate what actions he takes. All that’s necessary is that my actions be “in character” for him and everything I’ve done is, By the same token your team has never worked together the way you’ve described them doing here but as long as they don’t do anything “out of character” for themselves they’re assumed to do whatever you want them to do.

Now that I think about it, which part of my plan do you think requires imagination exactly, because you keep saying that but my plan couldn’t be much more strait forward or unimaginative.


Originally posted by Typhus
According to the rules:


Silver Surfer will act like Silver Surfer.
A Machine will act like a machine.
All this talk of creating some sort of giant energy explosion at the beginning of the match is ludicrous. Why in the world would a Machine Mind do such a thing? He’s more likely to engage this opponents one on one and absorb all their powers and defeat them. Not waste all your energy in a dubious bomb explosion. It’s not logical to waste all your energy on opponents you have no knowledge of, especially when your outnumbered. You don’t have Silver Surfer’s memories, just his powers, and not to mention you didn’t buy.
It’s not a waste of power because he’ll be replenishing his energy with the Nega Bands, so it makes perfect sense for him to use that much energy. So far in this tournament he’s faced off against a Waverider/Metron amalgam, a team with Thor and the Doctor on it(along with Reed and Lex), and a Zoom/Dr. Strange Amalgam so he knows the level of the competition. The mind of Super Adaptoid doesn’t really like to toy with opponents unless it’s to further a plan, he likes to take opponents out as quickly and efficiently as possible and goes for an opening “cheap shot“ whenever he can…
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1253/avengersv128913eo8.jpg

As for Sup Adaptoid “preferring” to risk defeat just to copy your teams powers, why would he? This is the LAST match of the tourney and when the tourney’s over I get what I most desire, so if I go for a quick win I can ask for the powers of ALL the touney participants if I want or just ask for the Power of a cosmic cube again. Your team’s powers are small potatoes compared to that kind of thing.

Originally posted by Typhus
According to the rules:


You have NO knowledge of my time during prep time. You can’t spy on my team earlier, because you didn’t buy 2 things.

1.

AND

The rules CLEARLY state.

2.
Even if you could spy on my team during prep with one of your abilities, the rules will not allow you to do so.
What spying did I do on your characters before the match started? I used Cosmic Awareness as soon as the bell rang but for the prep period I was completely oblivious to your team.

And just so no-one's underestimating Morg, here's the battle with Surfer I posted earlier:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2419/silversurferv307106mv0.th.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3648/silversurferv307107li9.th.jpg http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5117/silversurferv307108re9.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5818/silversurferv307109tc2.th.jpg

And since powers don't stack, he's either ^THIS^ durable, or as durable as Lex's power armor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the first scan doesn't work

Here try this one...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4742/thor19317sy8.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
I think this is a powerful argument, that Surfer's speed would negate the numbers factor of the other team, so does Surfer enjoy a similar speed advantage against the other three heralds? (sorry if you've already shown this previously)
The other heralds on his team have approximately ZERO speed/reaction feats to my knowledge(and I'm one of the resident herald experts), and not a single speed/reflex feat has been posted by Typhus to show his team is able to react to the kind of speed and attacks they're dealing with here.

Originally posted by Typhus
So far, every scan you’ve posted has been of Surfer (or Doom in an odd change of pace). My scans are either of my team, or of Adaptoid being bested. You’re not using Surfer, you’re using Adaptoid. Surfer’s feats are irrelevant because he uses his powers in creative ways and has mastered their use through trial and error. Adaptoid is a machine.
Show me the creative way I used Surfer's powers.

Creation of a time bomb after being given the idea by going through a battle where a large energy blast was released in my direction in the opening seconds of the match=not creative(a bomb is a very basic and simple villain strategy in fact).

Altering the energy type of the bomb to compensate for it's failure to work in previous rounds=not creative.

Originally posted by Typhus
As for your strategy, it seems you’re trying to wield SA as your avatar for attacks you’ve come up with from multiple sources, not presenting how SA would tackle this fight. It’s out of character and you’ve shown no scans to back up that ‘this is how Adaptoid would fight’. Does Adaptoid have a history of blitzing? Because the only speed feats you’ve talked about are Surfer’s, and as I’ve said Adaptoid isn’t Surfer.
Oh you're looking for proof that Super Adaptoid will do things like bullrush blitzing and using energy blast? Ok here you go...

Bullrushing Quicksilver...
http://img404.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img404/9374/avengers04518uo8.jpg

Using energy blast from the Nega Bands...
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4773/marveltwoinone07531ta9.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
So in that case wouldn’t it be power boosting? Which also requires a purchase to use. I’m sure if basic powers aren’t allowed to stack or boost a character than copied powers aren’t either. In fact, anything you absorb becomes an attribute of YOUR amalgam, effectively making it YOUR power and therefore not allowed to be stacked.
Nope power boosting is actively doing something amping something about the character beyond his normal limitations. The Super Adaptoid can stack multiple templates at will no matter what's going on so nothings actively being "boosted" beyond the norm.

Originally posted by Typhus
And just so no-one's underestimating Morg, here's the battle with Surfer I posted earlier:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2419/silversurferv307106mv0.th.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3648/silversurferv307107li9.th.jpg http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5117/silversurferv307108re9.th.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5818/silversurferv307109tc2.th.jpg

And since powers don't stack, he's either ^THIS^ durable, or as durable as Lex's power armor.
Again, amalgam abilities don't stack, but my character's stacked strength and durability come directly from the powers of the Super Adaptoid.

Now that I think about it, wasn't this match supposed to officially end like 2 1/2 hours ago?

It doesn’t really because all of the opponents he’s faced, Super Adaptoid was already significantly more powerful than them, but he was outwitted and defeated. The very fact that your claiming that he copied his oppositions durability and therefore was handicapped just shows HOW LIMITED and dependent Super Adaptoid really is on his opposition’s attributes. If he were smart he wouldn’t have copied the opposition’s durability, and would have recalled Iron Man or someone else’s durability who has higher durability than Captain America or Thing to protect himself. But Super Adaptoid doesn’t think like that. He’s A MACHINE. And limited to whatever his programming is. He lacks imagination and thought.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7520/ironmanvadp1sm0.th.jpg

Super Adaptoid “I was never programmed for such Resistance”

You have full knowledge on how to use Silver Surfer’s powers, but that doesn’t mean your Super Adaptoid will use those same powers in the same way. He’s a pre-programmed machine. He’ll fight like one. Motivation doesn’t mean anything to him. He’ll fight like always. It could be the first match or last, but he lacks the intrinsic human characteristics to push himself to win.You have presented no proof that regarding Super Adaptoid would act any other way than just fly around on Surfer’s Surf board and try to attack/brawl with his opponents. I’ve presented at least 3 to 5 separate occasions in which Super Adaptoid just runs up and attacks his opponents. He never fights in the way you describe. This isn’t how you would want Super Adaptoid to act. This is how he would most likely act.

How do you explain this:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5313/acquasar04013014cq2.th.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5746/acquasar04015ky6.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9548/acquasar04016lr1.th.jpg

Those very scans above, the very LATEST of Super Adaptoid’s appearance show that he lacks imagination or thought into his attacks. He’ll just perform whatever he’s copied from his opponents.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Bullrushing Quicksilver...
http://img404.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img404/9374/avengers04518uo8.jpg

Using energy blast from the Nega Bands...
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4773/marveltwoinone07531ta9.jpg

You’ve sealed your own fate! These scans above just show that, rather than doing your complicated bomb plan, he’ll just jump into the fray and attack his opponents. It’s ‘in-character’ for him to do so.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, amalgam abilities don't stack, but my character's stacked strength and durability come directly from the powers of the Super Adaptoid.

Copied powers become part of Super Adaptoid’s character once you absorb them or have already absorbed them. By proxy effect, it becomes your power and therefore not stackable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now that I think about it, wasn't this match supposed to officially end like 2 1/2 hours ago?

Originally posted by Typhus

Ah cool I missed that. In that case I'll be back after I stretch my legs and such)I've been sitting at this computer for over 5 hours now).

so this thread will over when exactly? i think it started when typhus first posted right?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
so this thread will over when exactly? i think it started when typhus first posted right?

It is over when all 3 supervoters cast their judgement, or until I end the match. Whichever comes first. If the supervoters take too long, then I will set a hard deadline for the match to end.

-Evangel94

Originally posted by Evangel94
It is over when all 3 supervoters cast their judgement, or until I end the match. Whichever comes first. If the supervoters take too long, then I will set a hard deadline for the match to end.

-Evangel94 I am the ultra-voter, my vote counts as 9 regular votes.

Given that Goob is better at debating -he would not confuse the Nega bands with the Quantum bands- and I think he did more research overall, I'm pretty thorned in this vote.

To put it simply, I don't see why he would use spatial energy instead of his black hole, not only the black hole worked the last fight, but also he does not have any reason to choose spatial energy in the less. Does the amalgam has the Surfer memory? If not, I don't see why would he use that type of energy in particular, by definition, Surfer can manipulate lots of energies, that and how to do it is as much as familiarity with powers will get you with the adaptoid mind.

Also there are the details about the right weapons and amalgamations, for example, the Black Knight sword against Stardust. I know that the cosmic awareness justify this, but we did not see any showings regarding such a complex situation, and Surfer can be surprised. Even better, this is a machine having cosmic awareness -its adaptoid's mind-, minds react very differently to it, and its limited in weird ways. Also, can the adaptoid claim to know the Cap's shield advantage just by cosmic awareness? Big gray area there.

And the final issue the concept. The silver adaptoid lacks precisely in the area that the original Silver Surfer lacks: Using power to the full extent, historically Norrid has been written as someone with lots of potential who wastes it, and thats why he loses against people he should stomp -like Typhus team-, and while Goober gives a superior power via amalgamation, he did so by putting an ever more lacking mind in its head. An in character Silver Adaptoid, its worse at fighting than we are led to believe, lets not forget that Phyla-vell with almost no energy beat the real deal recently. Four against one, there is a good chance that Typhus team will overwhelm him.

And while in the end I think that Gobber's strategy loses, I cannot say that Typhus wins, because he has not quite earned it yet.

OK, I have more scans showing how Super Adaptoid does battle. These scans prove 2 things. First of all, that he uses the powers he copies in a rudimentary fashion. He did against Cap, he did against Thing, and here he does it against Hulk; straight up brawling instead of using his powers in ways you’ve claimed. Second, these reinforce the fact that he a machine and cannot go beyond his programming.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9743/brawl1rf8.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/591/brawl2jk8.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9727/brawl3lp2.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6202/brawl4xp4.th.jpg
In Surfer’s body, he'd use the power cosmic in the most rudimentary fashion, nothing extravagent. Most likely nothing beyond large energy blasts and using the board as a weapon (which my team can defend against).

And to reinforce my argument that his duplicates are inferior to the original, here’s a scan showing the quality of the webs he duplicated from Spidey.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3082/inferiorwebcopy1wq5.th.jpg http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3593/inferiorwebcopy2xr1.th.jpg
Spidey easily breaks the duplicated weps because they’re inferior to his. Also, the scans show once again that SA is a brawler, and that Goober's plan is out of character for his fighting style. And if SA brawls with my 4 - he looses.

As for my heralds not cutting it in speed, here I have Stardust speedblitzing an opponent into a planet causing it to explode:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1550/stormbreaker41415cm1.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8270/stormbreaker41617bu3.th.jpg
which he survives (it does not break him down). Stardust is not as easy to dissipate as Goober claims. The scan of Cap hitting Wonder Man in the back of the head is a far cry from having the shield dissipate Stardust and not reform for the rest of the match. Stardust could just as easily blast away the attack with a bolt of cosmic energy. Not to mention I've never seem cap's shield work on anyone on stardust's level, nor can we just assume it will "automagically" make stardust disappear. This is a hypothetical situation, in which there are more factors weighing against the shield to work than for it to succeed. It might hurt to be hit with vibranium, but stardust is imbued with the power cosmic and it will take alot more than a just a shield to dissipate him. Also, It's Super Adaptoid's version of it. A facsmile version. Nothing to indiciate it is it on par with the original. It may be a really good copy, but thats all it is. A copy. Just something else to weigh against the shield to work

I think It’d be best to show some scans of Terrax’s abilities, since Darth would have you believe he’ll be dead within the first 3 seconds of the match. This is simply not so. Scans that support his spatial time bomb/speed blitz strategy are all Surfer (and even then they’re assumptions based on totally different situations). Whereas I’ve posted multiple scans that show that is not SA’s style. When fighting Captain America, Spider-Man, Thing, Quicksilver, and most recently Quasar, he gets in close and slugs it out in the style of his opponent, which gives me the overwhelming advantage.

First off we have Terrax destroying a battleship with one energy blast:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/858/annihilationheraldsofgazb2.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7752/annihilationheraldsofgatt5.th.jpg

Next is Terrax creating an enormous wave of stone. Considering he’s lifted all of Manhattan into the orbit, it’s really a minor display, however it shows that it would be in character to literally bring the battlefield down upon his opponent.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9232/annihilationheraldsofgals4.th.jpg http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1603/annihilationheraldsofgaai7.th.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/276/annihilationheraldsofgape4.th.jpg

Here he destroys an entire planet with one swing of his ax.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8761/annihilationheraldsofgayg8.th.jpg http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6949/annihilationheraldsofgafx1.th.jpg

Now, I can already see the response of ‘these don’t prove he’ll be able to withstand getting pinned against the arena dome and then decapitated’. Granted, but like I demonstrated with my scans, that situation is out of character for Silver Adaptoid and my team will be there backing Terrax up. The second SA appears, he’s getting out numbed and attacked by 4 heralds, putting him on the defensive. But I digress, the purpose of these scans is to merely demonstrate the abilities of who you’d consider the 'weak link' of my team. I just wanted to show that he has incredible power, and although not ‘in Surfer’s league’, his ability would provide devastating backup to the rest of my warriors. For example - SA is locked in a duel with Morg; out of nowhere a mountain comes out of the sky and slams SA against the arena dome. He recovers, but Redshift has cut open a portal and Terrax directs several asteroids through and crushes SA between them, and all the while Redshift and Stardust have been blasting SA with energy blasts. Simple examples, but in character and they demonstrate my point.

Originally posted by Typhus
It doesn’t really because all of the opponents he’s faced, Super Adaptoid was already significantly more powerful than them, but he was outwitted and defeated.
NO ONE in comics(machine or human) fights to the best of their ability all the time(it's called PIS), so it makes sense for him to use the powers of lesser heroes against guys like Cap because what chance does Cap have against someone with the combined powers of Thor and Herc?

Originally posted by Typhus
The very fact that your claiming that he copied his oppositions durability and therefore was handicapped just shows HOW LIMITED and dependent Super Adaptoid really is on his opposition’s attributes. If he were smart he wouldn’t have copied the opposition’s durability, and would have recalled Iron Man or someone else’s durability who has higher durability than Captain America or Thing to protect himself. But Super Adaptoid doesn’t think like that. He’s A MACHINE. And limited to whatever his programming is. He lacks imagination and thought.
Thar all WOULD make sense except for one thing... it's outright wrong. The reason SA had Thing's durability when Thing jumped him was because he'd just finished beating down Captain America. Now if what your saying about Super Adaptoid always sticking with the powers of his opponents were true it would mean that Super Adaptoid would definitely use Cap's own abilities against him wouldn't it? But as you can see that's not what happened...
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7263/marveltwoinone07532ug6.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1280/marveltwoinone07535ud9.jpg

Well what do you know, Super Adaptoid didn't use Cap's abilities at all, he went after Cap with the powers of the Thing and Iron Man. And what's more, he used Iron Man's repulser rays in a way that he'd never seen Iron Man utilize...

Again, there's a difference between not being imaginative with your powers and not being able to use them properly.

Originally posted by Typhus
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7520/ironmanvadp1sm0.th.jpg

Super Adaptoid “I was never programmed for such Resistance”
And despite not being "programmed for such resistance", Super Adaptoid went on to KO Iron Man in that same fight. And you know what else? He did it by being sneaky and without feeling compelled to copy the powers of Iron Man to use against him...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/488/ironmanv104906cy6.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6195/ironmanv104908in0.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8894/ironmanv104909xo1.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/406/ironmanv104910on5.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5489/ironmanv104911ka7.jpg

Well what do you know? Is it just me or did SA just KO Iron Man even though the only powers available to him were Cap, the Wasp, Giant Man, and Hawkeye and he couldn't use more than two sets of abilities at a time. But that means... that Super Adaptoid took down an opponent that was actually more powerful than he by being cunning!

Originally posted by Typhus
You have full knowledge on how to use Silver Surfer’s powers, but that doesn’t mean your Super Adaptoid will use those same powers in the same way. He’s a pre-programmed machine. He’ll fight like one. Motivation doesn’t mean anything to him. He’ll fight like always. It could be the first match or last, but he lacks the intrinsic human characteristics to push himself to win.You have presented no proof that regarding Super Adaptoid would act any other way than just fly around on Surfer’s Surf board and try to attack/brawl with his opponents. I’ve presented at least 3 to 5 separate occasions in which Super Adaptoid just runs up and attacks his opponents. He never fights in the way you describe. This isn’t how you would want Super Adaptoid to act. This is how he would most likely act.
Ah I see, you're looking for instances of him doing things other than attacking head on... ok then take a look...

A close up from that fight between Iron Man and SA...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5418/copyofironmanv104911dl7.jpg
"I indeed seek again to detroy Captain America- and here I shall lie in wait for him"
That sounds a lot like a prepped ambush to me, which runs counter to your theory about him not being inclined to do anything but attack head on.

Here's another(and earlier) ambush by the SA on Captain America, and notice he opens with a trick arrow from Hawkeye rather than something more strait forward...
http://img530.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img530/1329/talesofsuspense08416ss8.jpg

What’s SA say he has here…
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5041/copyoftalesofsuspense83nk8.jpg
A NEW PLAN.

Here's SA coming up with a "clever" way to lose Iron Man because he realizes that the're too evenly matched(because Iron Man was the only template he had at the time...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7725/captainmarvel5005hd0.jpg

And here's Adaptoid using Wanda's powers to screw up the abilities of the Vision(hardly a head on "brawling" attack)...
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8278/captainmarvel5016ad5.jpg

More sneakiness from the SA...
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1748/avengersv128921pa8.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5475/avengersv128922rr4.jpg

Using Kublik's powers contain the Avenger's and comes up with an fairly original way to deal with the powers of Captain Marvel despite never having seen it done...
http://img208.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img208/4020/avengersv129004tt9.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
How do you explain this:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5313/acquasar04013014cq2.th.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5746/acquasar04015ky6.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9548/acquasar04016lr1.th.jpg

Those very scans above, the very LATEST of Super Adaptoid’s appearance show that he lacks imagination or thought into his attacks. He’ll just perform whatever he’s copied from his opponents.
So he doesn't have imagination to design a new construct in his head big deal. As I've already shown not having an imagination doesn't stop him from doing something new or that he hasn't seen before otherwise he'd never think of accessing different and more effective combinations of templates during combat now would he?


Originally posted by Typhus
You’ve sealed your own fate! These scans above just show that, rather than doing your complicated bomb plan, he’ll just jump into the fray and attack his opponents. It’s ‘in-character’ for him to do so.
Exept that we already know from the scans I just showed that he DOESN'T always attack head on. And we know from the first panel of this scan...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6426/avengersv128907hp2.jpg

That his ability to plan and prep go beyond AIM's programming. If you're wondering just how complex the plan was it went something like this...

Here's a link to a description of the events in case you have any doubts as to my description of the plan being accurate
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Heavy_Metal

He copied the abilities of the Fixer and Mentallo and used his abilities to revive the robots Sentry 459, TESS-One, and the Awesome Android(and recruited Machine Man along the way). He then had the group attack Hydrobase and the Avengers that were there while he snuck in and broke into their computer files. Once he had the info, he used the equipment present in the lab to summon Kublic(who's powers he then copied).

Now I'm sorry, but are you honestly trying to say that someone who comes up with a master plan like that doesn't have the intelligence and reasoning to come up with the idea of creating an energy "time bomb" after being on the receiving end of something similar in his match against Digi's team? I'm basically adapting the plan of one of my opponents to suit my abilities, how much imagination/creativity do you think you need for something like that?



Originally posted by Typhus
Copied powers become part of Super Adaptoid’s character once you absorb them or have already absorbed them. By proxy effect, it becomes your power and therefore not stackable.
Twist it all you want, the bottom line is that unless I'm getting the powers from Surfer it still doesn't qualify as Amalgamated stacking because all my copied abilities are gained from Super Adaptoid's abilities.

Originally posted by Typhus
OK, I have more scans showing how Super Adaptoid does battle. These scans prove 2 things. First of all, that he uses the powers he copies in a rudimentary fashion. He did against Cap, he did against Thing, and here he does it against Hulk; straight up brawling instead of using his powers in ways you’ve claimed. Second, these reinforce the fact that he a machine and cannot go beyond his programming.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9743/brawl1rf8.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/591/brawl2jk8.th.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9727/brawl3lp2.th.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6202/brawl4xp4.th.jpg
Again, what imaginative or creative powers am I using? Surfer’s speed, Herc and Lex’s strength,/durability, Cap’s shield and skills, and Black Knight’s sword and skills? Where is the exotic powers you’re claiming I’m trying to use?

Originally posted by Typhus
In Surfer’s body, he'd use the power cosmic in the most rudimentary fashion, nothing extravagent. Most likely nothing beyond large energy blasts and using the board as a weapon (which my team can defend against).
Again, what imaginative or creative powers am I using? Surfer’s speed, Herc and Lex’s strength,/durability, Cap’s shield and skills, and Black Knight’s sword and skills? Where is the exotic powers you’re claiming I’m trying to use?

Originally posted by Typhus
And to reinforce my argument that his duplicates are inferior to the original, here’s a scan showing the quality of the webs he duplicated from Spidey.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3082/inferiorwebcopy1wq5.th.jpg http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3593/inferiorwebcopy2xr1.th.jpg
Spidey easily breaks the duplicated weps because they’re inferior to his.
Did you even read the first scan? Spiderman specifically says that the web polymer’s weren’t finished and that SA hadn’t finished the duplication process. His webs were only inferior because they weren’t finished.

Originally posted by Typhus
Also, the scans show once again that SA is a brawler, and that Goober's plan is out of character for his fighting style. And if SA brawls with my 4 - he looses.
How does that indicate that SA prefers to brawl? SA didn’t always have the ability to summon all of his past templates the way he can now and because of that he often had to start over from scratch. If Spidey’s powers are all he has then of course they’re the ones he’s going to utilize and those powers are best suited for brawling.

Originally posted by Typhus
As for my heralds not cutting it in speed, here I have Stardust speedblitzing an opponent into a planet causing it to explode:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1550/stormbreaker41415cm1.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8270/stormbreaker41617bu3.th.jpg

That’s not a speed blitz it’s a bulrush and in case you overlooked it BRB was holding the guy at the time. How about showing some ACTUAL speed reflex feats like these…

Surfer’s as fast as the space winds WITHOUT his board
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg

Surfer searches the surface of the entire planet in a matter of seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7694/silversurferannual0508tc4.jpg

Uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

Flies through building(who's walls are made of solid vibranium) with enough speed left over to outrun an explosion that started the moment the walls were penetrated
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9544/silversurfer198700130rs9.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4341/silversurfer198700131kw6.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9413/silversurfer198700132uw6.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4861/silversurfer198700133ns0.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/964/silversurfer198700134la1.jpg

Surfer travels to nearly every capital city on Earth and attacks it in a matter of seconds
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1483/silversurfer0105mo5.jpg


Or if you can’t find anything like those, how about proving that you’re guys are fast enough to react to the opening blast by showing some reflex feats like these…
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1355/annihilationsilversurfexe9.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8742/silversurfer198902524tv8.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8210/silversurfer198902121my5.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7526/silversurferv3146p12if3.jpg

If you can’t do either of those things for anyone on your team, then it’s more than a little unreasonable for you to assume that they’re going to be able to react to the opening blast. And it would be even more unreasonable to assume that they can react to Surfer’s maximum strait-line bull rushing speed since the gut can travel THOUSANDS of times the speed of light when he goes all out…
Travels a just over a light year in a second or so
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4062/theinfinitygauntlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/113/theinfinitygauntlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9909/theinfinitygauntlet0444le1.jpg

Another light years in seconds feat
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8551/ff41315hc7.jpg

Originally posted by Typhus
which he survives (it does not break him down). Stardust is not as easy to dissipate as Goober claims.
Yeah tell that to Storm…
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
The scan of Cap hitting Wonder Man in the back of the head is a far cry from having the shield dissipate Stardust and not reform for the rest of the match.
The scan wasn’t meant to show that, so I fail to see your point. That particular scan was intended to demonstrate just how effective a weapon Cap’s shield can be against Morg, Red Shift, and Terrax. After all, if Cap’s strength is sufficient for the shield to actually hurt Wonderman (who’s a thousand times more durable than Cap is strong) just imagine what it’s going to do to one of your team member’s head when it hits them(since my character is far stronger than any of your team is durable).

Originally posted by Typhus
Stardust could just as easily blast away the attack with a bolt of cosmic energy.
If I threw it sure, but why would I do that when I can fly up to you at 1000x light speed and do something similar to this
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9352/fanfare3210dk1.jpg

Originally posted by Typhus
Not to mention I've never seem cap's shield work on anyone on stardust's level, nor can we just assume it will "automagically" make stardust disappear. This is a hypothetical situation, in which there are more factors weighing against the shield to work than for it to succeed. It might hurt to be hit with vibranium, but stardust is imbued with the power cosmic and it will take alot more than a just a shield to dissipate him.
You seem to forget that the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that Stardust(an energy being) is resistant against something that’s shown to be the bane of energy based beings in the past. Cap’s shield absorbs ALL types of energy(from mystic energy to blast from Galactus) so it’s up to you to show why it won’t work against Stardust(since he’s composed of energy). The fact that it hasn’t been shown to take out anyone “one that level” is completely irrelevant, unless you want to extend that policy to your entire team since none of them have ever taken down anyone on the Silver Adaptoid’s level.

Originally posted by Typhus
Also, It's Super Adaptoid's version of it. A facsmile version. Nothing to indicate it is it on par with the original. It may be a really good copy, but thats all it is. A copy. Just something else to weigh against the shield to work
To my knowledge the Quantum bands are the ONLY things ever stated as being inferior, everything else has always been portrayed as being just as effective as the original’s(as these scans clearly demonstrate)…
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5377/copyofmarveltwoinone075wu6.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3201/ironmanv104918uf1.jpg

You’re speculating that everything he adapts is inferior based solely of his copying the Quantum Bands but in actuality no such thing was ever said. He said that creating unique items was DIFFICULT and that his copies of the Quantum Bands was inferior, that’s it. But here’s something you may or may not know about the Quantum Bands, they were created by Eon for the Protector of the Universe(and ONLY the Protector of the Universe) to use and bad things happen to anyone who’s not “authorized” to use them…
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/226/quasar05020vx4.jpg


See the Quantum Bands have fail-safes to protect them from abuse, so unless you have a scan stating that some other item is inferior the whole Quasar episode doesn’t mean anything.

Originally posted by Typhus
I think It’d be best to show some scans of Terrax’s abilities, since Darth would have you believe he’ll be dead within the first 3 seconds of the match. This is simply not so.
Sure it is. It’s a pretty simple yet effective strategy.

1. Bullrush Terrax-elapse time= a fraction of a second
2. Pin Terrax to dome- elapse time= N/A(cause it’s done automatically at the end of the bull rush)
3. Touch Terrax and adapt his powers- elapse time one second
4. Decapitate Terrax-elapse time= a second or less

Hmmm… looks to me like Terrax will have a hard time lasting even the full three seconds…

Originally posted by Typhus
Scans that support his spatial time bomb/speed blitz strategy are all Surfer (and even then they’re assumptions based on totally different situations).
The bomb comes from Surfer’s arsenal(as does his effectiveness at bulrush blitzing) but he SA has pulled a bull rush before so we know that it would be completely in character for him to do here…

SA bull rushing Quicksilver
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9374/avengers04518uo8.jpg


Originally posted by Typhus
Whereas I’ve posted multiple scans that show that is not SA’s style. When fighting Captain America, Spider-Man, Thing, Quicksilver, and most recently Quasar, he gets in close and slugs it out in the style of his opponent, which gives me the overwhelming advantage.
How many of those fights was he allowed 15 minutes prep on the battlefield for? None…ok then it doesn’t matter. You’re claiming that it would be more “in character” for the SA to just stand around for the 15 minutes prep than it would be for him to adapt a strategy he already faced in an earlier round and that’s just flat out ridiculous. I’ve already shown several scans that seem to suggest that when the opportunity presents itself, SA prefers things like ambushes and sucker punches whenever possible so the time bomb plan is completely in character for him.

Originally posted by Typhus
First off we have Terrax destroying a battleship with one energy blast:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/858/annihilationheraldsofgazb2.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7752/annihilationheraldsofgatt5.th.jpg

Next is Terrax creating an enormous wave of stone. Considering he’s lifted all of Manhattan into the orbit, it’s really a minor display, however it shows that it would be in character to literally bring the battlefield down upon his opponent.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9232/annihilationheraldsofgals4.th.jpg http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1603/annihilationheraldsofgaai7.th.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/276/annihilationheraldsofgape4.th.jpg

Here he destroys an entire planet with one swing of his ax.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8761/annihilationheraldsofgayg8.th.jpg http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6949/annihilationheraldsofgafx1.th.jpg

Now, I can already see the response of ‘these don’t prove he’ll be able to withstand getting pinned against the arena dome and then decapitated’.
Exactly.

Originally posted by Typhus
Granted, but like I demonstrated with my scans, that situation is out of character for Silver Adaptoid
How is it out of character for SA to bull rush an opponent(which he does here)…
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9374/avengers04518uo8.jpg

Pin him down(which he does here)
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1553/talesofsuspense08417mo0.jpg

Adapt his powers(which he ALWAYS does)

And then finish him off(which he’s always TRYING to do)

You want to tell me how ANY of that is “out of character” for SA?


Originally posted by Typhus
and my team will be there backing Terrax up. The second SA appears, he’s getting out numbed and attacked by 4 heralds, putting him on the defensive.
You know I still haven’t seen a single scan to suggest that anyone on your team has the reflexes to react to(let alone the movement speed to interrupt) a bull rush at FTL speeds.


Originally posted by Typhus
But I digress, the purpose of these scans is to merely demonstrate the abilities of who you’d consider the 'weak link' of my team. I just wanted to show that he has incredible power, and although not ‘in Surfer’s league’, his ability would provide devastating backup to the rest of my warriors.
He MIGHT provide decent backup, but he’s not going to. Terrax hasn’t the speed or brains to do anything other than get killed in the opening seconds here.


Originally posted by Typhus
For example - SA is locked in a duel with Morg; out of nowhere a mountain comes out of the sky and slams SA against the arena dome. He recovers, but Redshift has cut open a portal and Terrax directs several asteroids through and crushes SA between them, and all the while Redshift and Stardust have been blasting SA with energy blasts. Simple examples, but in character and they demonstrate my point.
You’re speaking as if you’ll be the one controlling the flow of action but that’s hardly the case. Surfer’s speed trumps ANYONE on your team(and as far as actual speed feats go, he’s got better than your entire team combined) so my character will be determining who he locks horns with first(and that’s Terrax).

Things Typhus wants people to forget about


Concerning his team…

1. NONE of Typhus’s team has the reflexes to deal with Surfer’s top speeds. There’s yet to be an actual speed feat posted for ANY of them in fact. Meanwhile I’ve shown scans of Surfer straight-line travel speed(to cover the bull rush), scans of Surfer blocking energy after it’s fired(to show Surfer’s reflexes), and scans of Surfer blitzing in combat situations(just to show he can).

Typhus is trying to milk Surfer’s reputation by claiming that heralds all share the same level of ability and that’s simply not true. I’ve already shown several scans to suggest that all heralds DON’T share the same abilities(like Terrax not having transmutation) and the abilities they DO share aren’t necessarily on the same level(like Galactus stating Surfer’s superiority to Nova in the senses/tracking department) so Typhus automatically assuming that his team has ample reflexes to respond to my spatial energy wave(and especially a bull rush from someone with Surfer’s speed) despite the fact that there’s been no evidence to suggest either is more than a little far fetched.

2. Terrax is a joke… period. The guys been taken down by the freaking New Warriors for God’s sake. He has zero speed feats and crappy showings all around and has exactly ONE herald level feat to his credit(destroying a planet). You want to see how Terrax stacks up to Surfer? Just take a look at his reaction when he see’s Surfer flying in…
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5350/newwarriors01712rs1.jpg

3. Stardust is an energy being. Cap’s shield absorbs energy and damages beings that are composed of it. Typhus wants to try to shift things so that it seems like I have to prove Cap’s shield will affect Stardust when in actuality the opposite is true. I’ve already shown that it’ll damage energy beings so it’s now up to Typhus to prove that Stardust is an exception to the rule.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4976/spb518ig4.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5008/spb519hk1.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2776/captainamericav3022pageua0.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/784/captainamericav3022pagesm3.jpg

There are the scans that suggest the shield WILL hurt Stardust, where‘s the evidence to suggest that the effect will be any different on Stardust… oh yeah that‘s right, there‘s not any. And just so there‘s no confusion, I‘m not saying that Stardust will be one shotted by Cap‘s shield, but with no feats to suggest any kind of resistance to it‘s effects it’s flat out unreasonable to assume he’s going to last past a few shots with it.

And don’t forget that aside from Cap’s shield I’ll also be wielding an upgraded Sword of Light that has the ability to channel cosmic energy just as Terrax’s ax can(because I took down Terrax first and copied his powers).


4. Redshift is about 1 or two steps up from Terrax and we’ve already seen him lose to Surfer despite the fact that Surfer couldn’t fly at the time, had just expended a bunch of energy doing other things(Alicia even commented on it), and was controlling his boards path through hyperspace DURING the battle. But in case anyone forgot here’s the encounter between the two…
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7696/galactusthedevourer213tv6.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9411/galactusthedevourer214bp5.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3701/galactusthedevourer215sli0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9323/galactusthedevourer217yj3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9425/galactusthedevourer218wg5.jpg

5. Morg is a brawler. He’s got an impressive power output but he has NO concept of finesse, You know how Typhus keeps trying to say that SA will never think to use Surfer’s powers for anything other than flying/blasting? Well pretty much all of Morg’s appearances confirm that EXACT behavior during a fight. What’s more, even though does have a significant power output, Surfer’s is still higher(as proven by these scan)…
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4205/silversurferannual07303ff4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2012/silversurferannual0732ry8.jpg



Concerning SA and my strategy

1. My character is neither Surfer nor the Super Adaptoid, he’s a combination of the two that’s worth far more than it’s individual components. If we take a look at stats we see…

Strength/Durability= the COMBINED durability of Hercules and Lex’s power suit from my match with Digi. That makes my character more durable than the opposition by a fair share(too durable for them to damage unless they really cut loose in fact), and physically stronger than any two of Typhus’s team combined.
Speed= Surfer. And as I’ve already pointed out repeatedly, not a SINGLE feat has been produced to suggest ANYONE on Typhus’s team can handle Surfer’s speed if he’s bull rushing like this…

(Travels a just over a light year in a second or so)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4062/theinfinitygauntlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/113/theinfinitygauntlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9909/theinfinitygauntlet0444le1.jpg

Or just flying around blasting like this…

(Surfer travels to nearly every capital city on Earth and attacks it in a matter of seconds)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1483/silversurfer0105mo5.jpg

Skill= Captain America+Black Knight+Herc… ‘nuff said.

Energy Manipulation/blast= Silver Surfer or Lex’s Power suit, whichever suit’s the situation better.

Equipment= Cap shield +the Sword of Light.

Cap’s shield has some unbelievable feats when it’s just backed by Cap’s “peak human” strength
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4391/fanfare3210un3.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2909/mgn2742qx4.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9519/weaponxvol01no14decembeaq7.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7117/weaponxvol01no14decemberc0.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/407/weaponxvol01no14decembelq6.jpg

So if Cap can break through reinforced steel, hurt Wonderman, and KO Namor with his shield, just imagine what someone who’s as strong as Hercules and Lex’s battle suit and still has all of Cap’s skill can do with it.


As for the Sword of Light… sad to say, I’ve having some major trouble tracking down scans of it because the Black Knight’s respect thread is messed up. But here’s a couple of Bio’s on it for anyone interested in the details…

(Scroll down to the Avalonian equipment section)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(Dane_Whitman)

(Scroll down to the equipment section).
http://www.superherodb.com/profile.php?hero=Black.Knight.III

Also keep in mind that when I adapt Terrax’s powers I’ll be incorporating his ax’s properties into my sword just as SA copies the powers of Thor’s hammer into his shield here…
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5383/avengers04510nc0.jpg

…so after just a couple minutes the Sword of Light will be able to channel cosmic energy just as Terrax’s ax can.

2. My “time bomb” plan is COMPLETELY in character for me to use. In my fight with Digi his “Galactus Busting Gun” was fired in the opening seconds of the match and I had to struggle to counter it. So when SA’s “Adaptoid Army” was barred(along with the Galactus Gun itself) rather than come up with a brand new idea(which would require an imagination) I modified Digi’s strategy so that I could replicate it to an extent. The first time I used the strategy(against Kandy) even though the “Black Hole blast” cleared away his demons Kandy himself was left unaffected because he existed on another plane at the time. So learning from my previous error, I modified the energy blast so that it would use pure spatial energy and therefore affect a broader range of targets.

Now if people don’t think that SA would think of using spatial energy then that’s fine, go ahead and substitute it back and just consider it to be the same as my original “Black Hole blast”. The energy type is actually somewhat irrelevant because either attack is going to play havoc on the opposing team. Typhus hasn’t shown sufficient speed feats to react to EITHER bomb and since the most powerful person on Typhus’s team(Morg) was KO’d by a blast that destroyed a planet, we can be fairly certain that Typhus’s team is going to get rocked by an energy blast that’s capable of creating a black hole, and given Terrax’s low durability showings there’s a good chance he’ll be KO’d by the blast itself which just my job easier all around since I don’t have to waste the first few seconds of the match on him.

3. My “time bomb” is entirely possible for my character.

Here we see Surfer creating a timed explosion…
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg

And here we see Dr. Doom using Surfer’s power cosmic to create another timed effect…
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3527/16freezesislandevolutiohh0.jpg


Well I guess that should just about do it...

wow...damn good post. While I still think this would be a close fight and not a cakewalk for SA, I'm switching my vote to Goober.

Ok, I let this debate go on for long enough. It's been fun, but I think this debate is getting off track with it just turning into who can post the most scans and links.

Darthgoober, you've presented your case for all to see. I believe you have made your closing remarks, so I'm resting your case and your side of the debate.

Typhus doesn't appear to be around right now, and the both of you appear to be in different time zones. I'll give Typhus a chance to make his closing arguments with a maximum of five posts (the same number darthgoober has made with his final remarks) with one dedicated to closing arguments. Typhus does not have to use all five posts if he does not wish to.

Starscream M (Master-borg), while I don't mind voters changing their votes, you have a habit of changing and switching your vote back and forth in the middle of the debate. You switched, changed, and withdrawn your vote in FOUR seperate matches in this tournament. It's tad bit excessive. So, just to be fair to both competitors, I'm putting your vote on hold until Typhus makes his final posts. That way you can completely go over the entire debate, and read both competitors closing remarks to make a final decision.

And to the supervoters, please wrap this up. I'm sure it was fun to watch the competitors go at it, but the competitors have both made their case, and anything further would be repetitive and tiring to both participants. I know some of you are still on the fence, so please vote as soon as possible after Typhus makes his closing remarks.

Both competitors did a good job. Great debate, and both of you did well. It was a really good final match. Thank you for all your hard work.

-Evangel94

i will wait till typhus makes his comments, but where are the other super-voters?

So unless I'm mistaken this is how the vote count currently stands correct...

Goober
Zeitgeist
leonidas
Soljer
Raoul
Mr. Slippyfist



Typhus
King Kandy


On hold
Starscream M

what about bentley?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
what about bentley?
I think he's waiting for Typhus. When last I heard he wasn't sure of my strategy but still wasn't ready to give the vote to Typhus.

I have not voted yet, I will tonight hoping Typhus posts before I leave.

Great match by the way.

ok, i will do the same, both deserve their final statement.

The majority of Typhus's arguments proclaimed that darthgoober's amalgam would not efficiently execute it's plans because of having the mind of a machine. Typhus endeavors to persuade his audience that the amalgam will use only elementary attacks and pedestrian battle tactics by viciously undermining the abilities of Super Adaptoid, claiming that the very nature of Super Adaptoid's mentality prevents it from doing anything more. However, darthgoober's amalgam has cosmic awareness. Darthgoober has a character that possesses stellar adaptability capabilities, that uses logic in the battlefield, and is imbued with cosmic awareness, a perfect combination of traits for something with the mind of Super Adaptoid. Therefore, I find no reason why darthgoobers' amalgam would not begin the battle as darthgoober plans.

Not only that, Typhus failed to show any speed feets suggesting his team will adequately react to the initial attack, or a strait up brawl in general. He argues that his team is endowed with a Surfer-like cosmic awareness as well, except that is a flawed line of reasoning, as darthgoober proved with the scan with Galactus, Nova, and Silver Surfer.

All in all, Typhus relied too heavily on convincing his audience that darthgoober's plan would not work due to the very nature of the Super Adaptoid's mind and darthgoober simply out-debated him, to the effect that I'm convinced that darthgoober's team would win in a lopsided fashion.

Voting for darthgoober.

Voting Darth, better case by far

About the quantum bands, they were running out of energy because the Phalanax cut the Kree Empire form the rest of the Universe energy, but that´s not important for this match.


The silver adaptoid is formidable because where surfer his a pacifist, he is not, he´s rational, mathematical and he will use all of surfer´s power without a problem, and thats a huge problem for Typhus.

On the other hand Adaptoid lacks imagination and against 4 heralds thats a tough one, Typhus has the advantage of team work also.

I´m inclined to vote Darthbooger, but i would like to have a little more time to think about it, since Thyphus could probably pull this one.

Goober. Damned close though. If Typhus had chosen someone stronger than Terrax I think he could have had this in the bag.

So now it's...

Goober
Zeitgeist
leonidas
Soljer
Raoul
Mr. Slippyfist
Air Legend(vote's worth 3)
Blair Wind
Symmetric Chaos



Typhus
King Kandy


On hold
Starscream M


Awaiting Typhus/Undecided
Bentley
psycho gundam(vote's worth 3)
Loot-Supervoter(vote's worth 3)


...correct?

alright, i waited long enough. voting for typhus

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2419/silversurferv307106mv0.th.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3648/silversurferv307107li9.th.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5117/silversurferv307108re9.th.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5818/silversurferv307109tc2.th.jpg

nothing against goober's debate skills or anything, but morg is the x factor to me. terrax is SA first target which is a grave error(see above scans). i know he went over this a lot but beating the surfer is a dream come true for all of typhus's team, especially morg and a blind eye towards him for a split second is not advisable.

the suit that SA is outfitted in has high durability, but the onslaught that will be directed at SA will compromise it at least. and i don't believe terrax would go down THAT fast.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
alright, i waited long enough. voting for typhus

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2419/silversurferv307106mv0.th.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3648/silversurferv307107li9.th.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5117/silversurferv307108re9.th.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5818/silversurferv307109tc2.th.jpg

nothing against goober's debate skills or anything, but morg is the x factor to me. terrax is SA first target which is a grave error(see above scans). i know he went over this a lot but beating the surfer is a dream come true for all of typhus's team, especially morg and a blind eye towards him for a split second is not advisable.

the suit that SA is outfitted in has high durability, but the onslaught that will be directed at SA will compromise it at least. and i don't believe terrax would go down THAT fast.
I'm not trying to criticize or sway your vote, but you do realize that the Silver Surfer's not in this match right? My character might start off his prep period looking like him but once he starts taking on other characters powers his appearance is going to change radically and none of the opposing team has any knowledge of my character(so none of them are really "gunning" for him).

I know it doesn't make that much of a difference(nor do I expect it to), I just thought I'd point that out.

to be fair, his team has as much pre-fight knowledge as your's did.

typhus didn't know of the spacial-bomb in his first post but in his 15 minutes of prep, a rudimentary rift created by either red shift or stardust
could protect the team.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
to be fair, his team has as much pre-fight knowledge as your's did.

typhus didn't know of the spacial-bomb in his first post but in his 15 minutes of prep, a rudimentary rift created by either red shift or stardust
could protect the team.
Ah see that I do kinda take issue with. Without buying the "spy on opponents" extra there's NO way anyone on his team would know anything about the blast until it went off in the opening second of the match so there's no way he'd have a defense against it unless he's able to raise the defense after it goes off.

I know that you're basing your vote on the match overall rather than any of these individual points we're discussing now(and that's fine) so again I'm not trying to change your vote. I'm just making sure that no one who's mind isn't already made up is swayed by a point that goes against the tourney rules(so don't think I'm attacking or picking on you for your vote) .

yeah i don't want that to happen also.

Since i want to vote before this is over, and i´m in a different time zone, i will vote now:

I´m voting Darthbooger.

But it´s a tough call, because Typhus team work is very dangerous. I choose Darthbooger, because of his debate, and because Silver adaptoid has absorbed many powers along the tournament, and a guy with the silver surfer power and the nega bands (and more i know) is a pretty powerful being. His only weakness he´s the mind, but i´m also thinking he will bring all the power that surfer has, still it´s a tough call.

this thread is pretty much a done deal now, i think it's time for evengel to give my main man his props.

just side commentary: I thought this was a fun battle to read, it's a lot less complex than some of the battles since both arguments are pretty straightforward. One point that Goober really succeeded in imo was taking the offensive to Typhus, it really put Typhus on the defensive having to counter Goober's points.

I guess my vote won't count until Typhus posts his final point...so I'll wait and see if he can bring a gamechanger.

Good fight to both guys!

Indeed excelente fight, congrat to boths

This was a good match, but there were a couple of tactical blunders which kind of sealed this up for me. Typhus stated the direct approach in his initial attack post and Goober caught him at a disadvantage by using the spatial energy release at the onset of battle. Typhus then claims that Red Shift would re-direct the attack, but we're talking about an omnidirectional energy wave, and also he overlooks the fact that he stated himself that Stardust was taking point and Red Shift would be opening a portal to an asteroid field. From that point it's come down to Typhus trying to cast doubt on whether Adaptoid would know to use Surfer's powers to create the wave because Adaptoid isn't a creative thinking character, however, Goober's spatial wave attack is simply a diversionary tactic, and he's provided scans to substantiate that Adaptoid will and has used such tactics himself, even taking CIS into consideration, and also given the fact that Typhus moved to defend against the attack by diverting Red Shift's efforts to a defensive posture. The Spatial Wave is not a very exotic attack, it's simply a diversion, just like the trick arrow. Perfectly feasible in my estimation. From that point it comes down to whether Adaptoid would use the sword of Light, a vibranium shield, and Surfer's FTL speed to dispatch and/or obtain the powers of Terrax and Stardust before Red Shift and Morg can bring themselves to bear in the fight. The numbers advantage is countered by speed and better tactics, and from what I've seen of Typhus's evidence there's no feats that he has provided that would lead me to believe he could cope with that speed advantage and overwhelm the Silver Adaptoid, let alone that Terrax would be able to before Adaptoid takes his powers, upgrades himself, and moves on to the next step, all in fractions of seconds.

After taking everything into consideration, I have to give my vote to Goober. Typhus put up a valiant effort, but he relied too much on his numbers advantage out the gate, got out maneuvered, and provided nothing that would lead me to believe he could make up the ground, and also did absolutely nothing with the 15 minutes of prep he had going into the match to prepare for what could be coming.

vote: Goober

Hope I still have time to vote. Been busy, and I'm just now going to give this match a look over...

Thanks for the support everybody, it makes me feel special that there was this kind of turnout for judging and such(I honestly thought that interest had wained too much to get more than a few voters).

And Typhus, nice match. You did a really good job and you actually made me spend more time in front of the computer than in any of my other matches(even Digi's) just to find counter's for your arguments. As several have pointed out this thing could have gone either way so I'm looking forward to the challenge of facing you again sometime in the future.

I'll agree with that darth. Typhus did an excellent job.

Let me just ask here, is everyone votes (supervoters especially) pretty much final at this point? It seems everyone cast their vote already, but is there anyone still waiting on Typhus to say anything? I noticed Typhus didn't get his last statement in before the wave of final voters came in. As I understand it, Darthgoober and Typhus live in different time zones. One posts during the day, while the other posts mostly at night.

-Evangel94

Darthgoober:
Zeitgeist
leonidas
Soljer
Raoul
Mr. Slippyfist
Air Legend(vote's worth 3)
Blair Wind
Symmetric Chaos
Loot-Supervoter(vote's worth 3)


Typhus
psycho gundam(vote's worth 3)
King Kandy


Awaiting Typhus/Undecided/On-Hold/etc
Bentley
Starscream M


Is there anyone else that intends on voting? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

-Evangel94

howmany votes is my vote worth?

Originally posted by Starscream M
howmany votes is my vote worth?

Sorry, but just one.

-Evangel94

Originally posted by Evangel94
Sorry, but just one.

-Evangel94 no prob

Originally posted by Evangel94
Darthgoober:
Zeitgeist
leonidas
Soljer
Raoul
Mr. Slippyfist
Air Legend(vote's worth 3)
Blair Wind
Symmetric Chaos
Loot-Supervoter(vote's worth 3)


Typhus
psycho gundam(vote's worth 3)
King Kandy


Awaiting Typhus/Undecided/On-Hold/etc
Bentley
Starscream M


Is there anyone else that intends on voting? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

-Evangel94

I believe you forgot to include my vote by mistake E. I'll update it for you:

Darthgoober:
Zeitgeist
leonidas
Soljer
Raoul
Mr. Slippyfist
Air Legend(vote's worth 3)
Blair Wind
Symmetric Chaos
Illadelph12
Loot-Supervoter(vote's worth 3)


Typhus
psycho gundam(vote's worth 3)
King Kandy

At this point my vote would count for little, but I'll go with Typhus in this one. Why? I can see his team beating Silver Adaptoid and he fought a hard battle to the very end, and I see it pretty much as PG did: Terrax is not going down that fast.

I vote like this in part because I believe that the vote count should reflect how close is this battle, that I can see Typhus team winning and that the thing he lacked the most to control this fight was something he has no control about: His character feats. Typhus team is very capable and dangerous, but its a thing hard to prove.

However, I think that Typhus could have done a better work, with his prep time along with his arguments. Darth's debate in the other hand was flawless, and I think thats why he deserves the win in the tourney, from my point of view it was easier to go with the team of four against one character, but Darth defended it very well and turned what could have been an uphill battle into the opposite. Also he is an integral debater and answered all my questions very well, which in my book is something more worthy of a congratulation than winning itself.

All in all, I still vote for Typhus, he still did a great job, and I'm sure he will be more prepared for future tournaments.

I know some people were waiting for my final rebuttal, but I was unable to devote serious time to the debate today, and I think it would be a disservice to the battle if I pulled a last minute not fully thought out defense. Sorry if it's anticlimactic, but I said what I can.

Anyway, thanks, everyone - hope you enjoyed the match. And well played, Darth.

Jate akaanir. Good fight.

both competitors were great, the herald showdown didn't disappoint.

but isn't past due for darthgoober's naming as the champion?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
both competitors were great, the herald showdown didn't disappoint.

but isn't past due for darthgoober's naming as the champion?

Well, I wanted to make sure that if people still wanted to share their opinion on the battle, that they had a chance to get it on record while the battle thread was still up.

Congratulations darth ! That was some of the best debating all threw out the tourney I've seen around here in a while.. I especially enjoyed your match with Digi. Happy to see you bringing the title back to team headquarters..

I am officially ending this match, both competitors did a great job, and it could have gone either way. Thank you to everyone who voted in this tournament and contributed to make this tournament a success.

-Evangel94

Well done Goober and Typhus.