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Fight starts in X-Men mansion.

Wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine. how many out of 10?

Nightcrawler. Logan doesn't have to die to lose, just lose conciousness.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how many out of 10?
6-7 maybe more.

Night Crawler never fairs well against wolverine and even NC knows Logan would kill him if they fought for real.

Definatly more of a match then against nightwing...Adamantium swords don't do alot of good here except wolverine couldnt cut throught them...however adamantium is alot heavier than the swords kurt normally uses and therefore they would not be as effective...Major disadvantage for kurt is that one hit from Wolverine seriously hurts or kills him...If he were smart he would TP a sword into his gut and them do the whole teleport a few miles up and drop which would result in a KO...Logan takes majority though as he would eventually get a hit in more than likely.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
however adamantium is alot heavier than the swords kurt normally uses

Where do you get this from?

Cant exactly remember...I know I have read soething on pannel about adamantium being very heavy...it makes Wolverine's 5'3 ass over 300 lbs by just being laced to his skeleton...I will work on a source but I am sure it is much heavier than steel or even vibranium.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Cant exactly remember...I know I have read soething on pannel about adamantium being very heavy...it makes Wolverine's 5'3 ass over 300 lbs by just being laced to his skeleton...I will work on a source but I am sure it is much heavier than steel or even vibranium.

Without admantium Wolverine could be in the 200lbs range, I'd think with his bones being coated in steel that could put him in 300lbs as well.

I dont think a coating of steel over a human skeleton is 100lbs...especially a 5'3 one...its really not that much steel when you think about it and it is a thin coating...no need for it to be thick since even a thin layer of adamantium is unbreakable.

Originally posted by Mindset
Without admantium Wolverine could be in the 200lbs range, I'd think with his bones being coated in steel that could put him in 300lbs as well.

he weights 195 with out adamatium.


adamtium sword would be heavier and it is denser, which would put more strain on night crawlers TP then a normal sword would, not that it really matter though.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he weights 195 with out adamatium.


adamtium sword would be heavier and it is denser, which would put more strain on night crawlers TP then a normal sword would, not that it really matter though.

It doesn't.
Wolverine owns NC even when he's daydreamin.


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6773/reflexes4ln9.jpg

Originally posted by norrinradd43
I dont think a coating of steel over a human skeleton is 100lbs...especially a 5'3 one...its really not that much steel when you think about it and it is a thin coating...no need for it to be thick since even a thin layer of adamantium is unbreakable. Well I don't feel like figuring it out, but to cover every inch of bone would require more metal than you'd think.

oh please jinzin, NC was just having some fun with logan in that scan...htat is not indicative of how their fight would be at all. also NC did not have his sword in that scan or Logan would've had a swrod through his heart.

Originally posted by jinzin
It doesn't.
Wolverine owns NC even when he's daydreamin.


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6773/reflexes4ln9.jpg

That is hardly a good display of what NC is capable of.

Not really the scann shows Wolverine can and would tagg NC like he done ever single time they have fought or trained togather or simply played tagg. NC knows Logan could and would kill him if they fought to the death.

hell the only time NC did good vs Logan was when Logan body was being controll by a Demon and NC himself stated it would never had work vs the real deal.

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh please jinzin, NC was just having some fun with logan in that scan...htat is not indicative of how their fight would be at all. also NC did not have his sword in that scan or Logan would've had a swrod through his heart.



how sad... you know Wolverine's owned Nightcrawler every time they've had it out right?

Well except once while Wolverine was being mind controlled.

Hell Wolverine's owned Nightcrawler while simultaneously dealing with Spider Woman, toad, and Rogue...

Yeah, Wolverine'd really have problems with an adamantium sword since Nightcralwer has superior swordsmanship to Silver Samurai who was also a teleporter the first time he tangled with Wolverine.. and who also gets owned by Wolverine everytime they fight..

What that scan IS indicitive of, is the fact that Wolverine can react to Kurts teleportation as Kurt is coming out of a bamph due to his senses before the other way around and he's proved it again and again.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really the scann shows Wolverine can and would tagg NC like he done ever single time they have fought or trained togather or simply played tagg. NC knows Logan could and would kill him if they fought to the death.

hell the only time NC did good vs Logan was when Logan body was being controll by a Demon and NC him self stated it would never had work vs the real deal. you realize that logan would never touch nightcrawler if nightcrawler didn't want him to, right?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really the scann shows Wolverine can and would tagg NC like he done ever single time they have fought or trained togather or simply played tagg. NC knows Logan could and would kill him if they fought to the death.

hell the only time NC did good vs Logan was when Logan body was being controll by a Demon and NC him self stated it would never had work vs the real deal.

I don't know if you're talking to me, but anyway. All that may be true, but that scan is not a good display of NC abilities.

Btw, NC has been tagged by people less skilled than Wolverine though.

..........then Logan would win by superior stamina.


Night crawler could remain untouch by Logan by TP away every time Logan got closes, but thats about it masterbruces. If NC is fighting Logan he will get tagged. Pleases I you really trying to act like I don't know what I am talking about when I own pritty dam every issues of x-men, uncanny x-men ect. Also own many of NC solo issues. I know fully well what and what not that NC can do.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know if you're talking to me, but anyway. All that may be true, but that scan is not a good display of NC abilities.

Btw, NC has been tagged by people less skilled than Wolverine though.


true, and he been tagged by Logan repeatedly in every encounter vs eachother actaully ecpt the demon one.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........then Logan would win by superior stamina.


Night crawler could remain untouch by Logan by TP away every time Logan got closes, but thats about it masterbruces. If NC is fighting Logan he will get tagged. Pleases I you really trying to act like I don't know what I am talking about when I own pritty dam every issues of x-men, uncanny x-men ect. Also own many of NC solo issues. I know fully well what and what not that NC can do. lol...why do you bring up how many comics you own every time you debate...insecure much haha?

anyways, NC could get creative and use range weaponry on Logan. Remember this fight starts in the XMansion, so there's lots of weapons NC can use to hurt Logan from afar.

I know it's not this way in comics, but I figure that a sharper piece of adamantium should be able to cut a duller one, but only if it's wielded by someone at least as strong as the Hulk

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol...why do you bring up how many comics you own every time you debate...insecure much haha?
by every time you mean like twices..............

and both times to you becuases you seem to forgett who your talking to and act as if I don't know what I am talking about when it known through out the boards that I am a huge x-men fan. My 3rd favorite character is Night Crawler...........



Originally posted by Starscream M
Remember this fight starts in the XMansion, so there's lots of weapons NC can use to hurt Logan from afar.

Not likly and it goes both ways. Logan can uses range just as well. also using objects in such a way would only strain NC and make him tired faster. Nothing he throw at Logan would be overly effective. he better off simply attacking Logan with his sword

AOA NC may be a better choice.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I know it's not this way in comics, but I figure that a sharper piece of adamantium should be able to cut a duller one, but only if it's wielded by someone at least as strong as the Hulk
it can't

Originally posted by Mindset
AOA NC may be a better choice.
perhaps, but he ways not as powerful as 616 NC.

Originally posted by Mindset
AOA NC may be a better choice. ok, make this AOA NC then

who wins?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
by every time you mean like twices..............

and both times to you becuases you seem to forgett who your talking to and act as if I don't know what I am talking about when it known through out the boards that I am a huge x-men fan. My 3rd favorite character is Night Crawler...........





Not likly and it goes both ways. Logan can uses range just as well. also using objects in such a way would only strain NC and make him tired faster. Nothing he throw at Logan would be overly effective. he better off simply attacking Logan with his sword you've done it more than twice, I always see you bring up how many comics you own and such

he's your 3rd fav character? who's you second?

and when I say fight with range, i dont mean throwing rocks at Logan. NC can get tranquilizer guns and use them on logan.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
perhaps, but he ways not as powerful as 616 NC.
True, but imo he was a better fighter and was willing to kill.

Originally posted by Mindset
True, but imo he was a better fighter and was willing to kill.
he was not a better fighter if any thing he was a worses fighter, but he was willing to kill

Originally posted by Starscream M
you've done it more than twice, I always see you bring up how many comics you own and such

he's your 3rd fav character? who's you second?
spiderman

Originally posted by Starscream M
and when I say fight with range, i dont mean throwing rocks at Logan. NC can get tranquilizer guns and use them on logan.

Now your stretching..............first it would not work and second logan could dodge them and third there are no tranquilzers in the x-mansion.

Originally posted by Mindset
That is hardly a good display of what NC is capable of.

Whatever you want to believe I guess.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6122/mnightcrawler2ry0.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4864/vsxmen4ho6.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8782/wolvievsxmeastral3md8.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1666/hom2wg9.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2667/wolverinedissapears2bf2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9370/deathncbo6.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
you realize that logan would never touch nightcrawler if nightcrawler didn't want him to, right?
You realize you're making that up completely with absolutely no evidence to back it up right?

Oh please Wendigo, Kierrok, and Mr. Clean have all trounced NC and Wolverine has proven by enlarge their superior in speed.. All of them. His senses pick up Kurt before Kurt comes out of his Bamf. Sucks for him.

Originally posted by jinzin
Whatever you want to believe I guess.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6122/mnightcrawler2ry0.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4864/vsxmen4ho6.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8782/wolvievsxmeastral3md8.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1666/hom2wg9.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2667/wolverinedissapears2bf2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9370/deathncbo6.jpg

It's not a belief, it was a fact. I wasn't disagreeing with your statement, I was disagreeing with the scan you tried to use to prove said statement. If you kept reading my posts you would have seen me say less skilled people have tagged NC...

Even some of those scans don't prove your point, as Kurt is just messing around and not actually fighting, or as in the last scan, he isn't using teleportation while fighting.

Originally posted by jinzin
You realize you're making that up completely with absolutely no evidence to back it up right?

Oh please Wendigo, Kierrok, and Mr. Clean have all trounced NC and Wolverine has proven by enlarge their superior in speed.. All of them. His senses pick up Kurt before Kurt comes out of his Bamf. Sucks for him. i meant kurt could just stay outta logan's range

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Now your stretching..............first it would not work and second logan could dodge them and third there are no tranquilzers in the x-mansion. you've visited the x-mansion?

Originally posted by Mindset
It's not a belief, it was a fact. I wasn't disagreeing with your statement, I was disagreeing with the scan you tried to use to prove said statement. If you kept reading my posts you would have seen me say less skilled people have tagged NC...

It's not a fact though. You said that's not a good representation of NC's abilities.. He's a porter.
He ported.. That's the beginning and the end of his ability. Logan's tools to pin Kurt down by brimstone stench milliseconds before Kurt can react doesn't invalidate Kurts abilities it only supports Wolverine's.

Originally posted by jinzin
Whatever you want to believe I guess.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6122/mnightcrawler2ry0.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4864/vsxmen4ho6.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8782/wolvievsxmeastral3md8.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1666/hom2wg9.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2667/wolverinedissapears2bf2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9370/deathncbo6.jpg

thats not even all of them lol.

hell there even one in there I am not sure I have read lol

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not a fact though. You said that's not a good representation of NC's abilities.. He's a porter.
He ported.. That's the beginning and the end of his ability. Logan's tools to pin Kurt down by brimstone stench milliseconds before Kurt can react doesn't invalidate Kurts abilities it only supports Wolverine's.

I meant it isn't a good representation of his fighting abilities, because guess what, he wasn't fighting. Honestly, there isn't anything to even debate, that is like you dropping from around a corner to scare me and I punch you in the face, then I use that as proof that I am a much better fighter than you, and am too fast for you to handle me.

Originally posted by Mindset
I meant it isn't a good representation of his fighting abilities, because guess what, he wasn't fighting. Honestly, there isn't anything to even debate, that is like you dropping from around a corner to scare me and I punch you in the face, then I use that as proof that I am a much better fighter than you, and am too fast for you to handle me.

I wasn't using it as a rep of Wolverine's fighting abilites over NC just his ability to react to the port power.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you've visited the x-mansion?

are you kidding me.............pleases I love for you to provide evdiences that the x-men keep tranq..................



Your ability to spew bullshit is match by no one.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
are you kidding me.............pleases I love for you to provide evdiences that the x-men keep tranq..................



Your ability to spew bullshit is match by no one.


So the X-Men Mansion doesn't carry simple weaponry such as tranq guns? they have the most highest tech (such as the training room) and they don't have an armory with weapons of all types?

gimme a break, its common sense the Xmen would have such weapons.

Originally posted by Starscream M
So the X-Men Mansion doesn't carry simple weaponry such as tranq guns?
No they don't nor have they shown ever too. They have onces pulled out advances firer arms when they were all stripped of there powers, but that was it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
they have the most highest tech (such as the training room) and they don't have an armory with weapons of all types?

No they don't they had a few weapons they had recovered from others, but that was it. Prox is against firer arms not to mention they all have powers there no need for firer arms or trang plus it a school............you can't have firer arms laying about

Originally posted by Starscream M
gimme a break, its common sense the Xmen would have such weapons.

no it you being an idiot.


You simply assume they have tranq becuases it helps your arguement, but there is no and I MEAN NO EVIDENCES WHICH SUPPORTS YOUR STATEMENT.

could NC teleport objects he can't lift?

ie could he teleport a car and drop it on Logan?

yes he could I believe, but it putts a lot of strain on him. He also has a limit. Not to mention Logan can senses were he gunna port.

Originally posted by jinzin
I wasn't using it as a rep of Wolverine's fighting abilites over NC just his ability to react to the port power.

I said it wasn't a good example of what NC was capable of.

And it wasn't, so you're telling me that is the extent of NC skills, if not then you agree with me.

Originally posted by Mindset
I said it wasn't a good example of what NC was capable of.
In terms of porting.. yes it is.
He's dancig around an entire team of X-men one page before this...

Originally posted by Mindset
And it wasn't, so you're telling me that is the extent of NC skills, if not then you agree with me. Why would I need to say anything one way or the other about his skills? That wasn't the point of the scan.

logan knows every battle strategy kurt possesses and also knows how to
beat it. logan keeps the other x-men in line.

Instead of giving him a lame-ass adamantium sword you should give him that crazy magic sword Wolverine used to slice up Sabretooth good... THEN it would be a fair fight.

Wolverine WINS! Fatality.

Originally posted by jinzin
In terms of porting.. yes it is.
He's dancig around an entire team of X-men one page before this...

Why would I need to say anything one way or the other about his skills? That wasn't the point of the scan.

I guess I assumed you meant for that scan to be proof of Logan winning in a fight seeing as you said, Logan owns him even when he's daydreaming, and didn't say you were only talking about his teleporting abilities.

And then when I said that isn't a good display of what NC was capable of, you told me to believe what I will, and still didn't say you were only talking about his teleporting abilities, not an actual fight.

I see.

Perhaps I should have clarified.
The first scan was used to make the point more effective that Logan does take the majority to Nightcrawler because NC's teleportation does him little good against a guy who can sense his bamfing and react to it without even trying.

When all you said is that wasn't a good display of what NC is capable of, of course I thought you meant his teleportation. Wolverine being superior to Kurt in fighting capability really is without question imo.

Fatality....

lol

I like Wolverine about as much as a sharp stick lodged in my eye but he'd beat the living **** out of Nightcrawler with his eyes closed and an arm missing. Have you seen the shit Wolverine has done in the past?

Originally posted by jinzin
Perhaps I should have clarified.


I agree, and I accept your apology.

Originally posted by Mindset
I agree, and I accept your apology.
lol.