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seems pretty cut and dry, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/19/scotus.porn/index.htm



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so could this be a slippery slope? is lolota child porn?

how about munch's 'puberty'?

http://curente.artline.ro/admin/_files/photogallery/puberty.jpg

too many examples to list. feel free to post your own. point is though, can we trust our government to know where to properly draw the line?



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Lolita is a very good movie, is what it is.

I really don't know what they hope to achieve. For a moment, let's consider that maybe they somehow completely dissolve any/all child porn so that none exists anymore. All that means is people are no longer video taping themselves raping children. They're still doing it, it just isn't being viewed after the fact.

Point is, they should go after the people actually raping children, rather than those who may have watched it video taped, regardless of whether or not they've actually DONE anything.

i guess their argument would be supply and demand...but i doubt ecomonics is going through someone's head when they rape a child.

Originally posted by Schecter
i guess their argument would be supply and demand...but i doubt ecomonics is going through someone's head when they rape a child.

I doubt that most pedophiles are into it for the money.

Originally posted by Schecter
i guess their argument would be supply and demand...but i doubt ecomonics is going through someone's head when they rape a child.

That's the thing, though. The people who make these videos aren't out there going "you know, I'm going to make a movie" and then decide to rape a child for that movie. They are going to rape a child either way. Videotaping it is probably an afterthought.

It's a good thing the supreme court is busy re-affirming the obvious. Just think how many Anna Nicole Smith cases are going unheard.

I'm actually reading Lolita right now.

I gotta see Titanic.

I won't post the pics (I'm at work atm) but Robert Mapplethorpe did a bunch of underage nude photographs which landed him in a bunch of trouble (or at least the people who tried to exhibit them). Well done stuff, and the models have been subsequently interviewed and are not against it.

Touchy subject, the more society clamps up about this type of stuff, the more "artisitic" it will become to push the boundary. Didn't that hanna montana chick just do something similar (if less artistically motivated?).

I think Backfire said everything that needs to be said though. There arepeople out there who do really abuse children, and while the artistic stuff might push boundaries, it rarely if ever could be considered "abuse" in the intention of the law, if it does qualify in the word, and taxpayer dollars are much better spent on attacking the real threats to a nation's children.

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Child porn is NOT "protected speech". NAMBLA must die and so must all the liberal scum who coddle sick perverts and other...types. Pedophiles don't deserve rights.

Originally posted by UKR
Child porn is NOT "protected speech". NAMBLA must die and so must all the liberal scum who coddle sick perverts and other...types. Pedophiles don't deserve rights.

http://photobucket.com/image/motivator/haleypiglet/junk%20pics/motivatorpussy.jpg?o=1095

well, there is a difference between artistic depiction and PORNOGRAPHY. any1 who has seen the blue lagoon would probably know what im talking about. furthermore, SHUD this be applied to art as such, since it has no real actors playing the part?

Originally posted by inimalist
I won't post the pics (I'm at work atm) but Robert Mapplethorpe did a bunch of underage nude photographs which landed him in a bunch of trouble

Perhaps more sad is the fact that his irreverent usage of the image of Jesus landed him in more trouble; at least when it comes to public outrage.

The well-managed image of a 14 year old in the nude can be argued as art, depending on the situation in which he or she is photographed. A naked 14 year old girl standing on a beach with her mother is much more approaching art than a pregnant 14 year old walking out of a closed-door polygamist sect in the state of Texas, clothed from head to toe.

Originally posted by UKR
Child porn is NOT "protected speech". NAMBLA must die and so must all the liberal scum who coddle sick perverts and other...types. Pedophiles don't deserve rights.


you bumped this thread and didnt bother to read the topic.
because you are "reply to thread title" retard i suggest you get aids to compliment your fail.

Originally posted by BackFire
Lolita is a very good movie, is what it is.

I really don't know what they hope to achieve. For a moment, let's consider that maybe they somehow completely dissolve any/all child porn so that none exists anymore. All that means is people are no longer video taping themselves raping children. They're still doing it, it just isn't being viewed after the fact.

Point is, they should go after the people actually raping children, rather than those who may have watched it video taped, regardless of whether or not they've actually DONE anything. Arresting those people who do have this material on the computer could help prevent future crimes. Those people who are looking at it are going to do it sooner or later.

Originally posted by holacik
Arresting those people who do have this material on the computer could help prevent future crimes. Those people who are looking at it are going to do it sooner or later.

That's a wild assumption.

Does everyone who likes rollercoasters get involved in a highspee chase?
Does everyone who watches Rambo go on a killing spree?
Does everyone who plays D&D become convinced they have magical powers?
Does everyone who tries to burn an ant become a killer?


Legal systems are based on actions not what might happen for a reason.

Originally posted by holacik
Arresting those people who do have this material on the computer could help prevent future crimes. Those people who are looking at it are going to do it sooner or later.



I listen to rap. I'm going to go kill someone today!

I play GTA IV! Time to go get some hookers.

I snipe well in Halo!

You see how this is going.

gta taught me to always kill hookers so that i can get my money back

Originally posted by holacik
Arresting those people who do have this material on the computer could help prevent future crimes. Those people who are looking at it are going to do it sooner or later.

Why is it not illegal to watch a rape video or a murder video, then? Watching that shows the same intent (I.E. none). It's as if jacking off to rape is ok, unless the victim is under 18. Pretty much just as bad.

It's the only law based on the slipper slope fallacy, and it's fascinating.

Indeed

Originally posted by BackFire
Why is it not illegal to watch a rape video or a murder video, then? Watching that shows the same intent (I.E. none). It's as if jacking off to rape is ok, unless the victim is under 18. Pretty much just as bad.

It's the only law based on the slipper slope fallacy, and it's fascinating.

I'm sorry...ist not illegal to watch a rape video or a murder video?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I'm sorry...ist not illegal to watch a rape video or a murder video?

Nope, as far as I know that's fine. I believe child porn is the only thing you can actually get in trouble for simply watching.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I'm sorry...ist not illegal to watch a rape video or a murder video?

As long as you don't so something to support it watching someone be murdered is not a crime.

Originally posted by BackFire
Nope, as far as I know that's fine. I believe child porn is the only thing you can actually get in trouble for simply watching.

Well, the reason child porn is illegal should be obvious- it supports the industry and therefore harms children.

Making it, yes.

Buying it, yes.

Watching it? Maybe. Maybe not.

Originally posted by BackFire
Making it, yes.

Buying it, yes.

Watching it? Maybe. Maybe not.

Why would you want to watch it?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Why would you want to watch it?

The answer to that should be obvious.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The answer to that should be obvious.

and probably illegal.

I dunno.

I imagine there are plenty of possible reasons.

There's a really funny Doug Stanhope bit about child porn. Should look it up.

Point is, watching something doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to commit said act.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
and probably illegal.

Being a pedophile should not be illegal. Molesting children should be (and is).

Originally posted by BackFire
I dunno.

I imagine there are plenty of possible reasons.

There's a really funny Doug Stanhope bit about child porn. Should look it up.

Point is, watching something doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to commit said act.

Yet watching the molestation of the Child for anything other than legitimate study is criminal.

If you find that entertaining. Then there is a problem.

However, I can see your point. Interesting.

Pedophilia isn't wrong because of "this" and "that" or because it makes you do those things. It's wrong because it's CHILD PORN. It's sick and wrong. There's no need for any argument or explanation...it shouldn't take an Einstein to tell you that much. The problem is not that pedophiles are some kind of persecuted minority. The problem is that there are people who somehow became dumb enough to think they are. Just because some group of people like pedophiles/furries/etc is not "white males" does not magically mean that they're "persecuted" or "oppressed".

Originally posted by UKR
Pedophilia isn't wrong because of "this" and "that" or because it makes you do those things. It's wrong because it's CHILD PORN. It's sick and wrong. There's no need for any argument or explanation.

That's a very flimsy defense for not being able to understand the issue.

Originally posted by UKR
The problem is not that pedophiles are some kind of persecuted minority. The problem is that there are people who somehow became dumb enough to think they are.

Well I know for a fact that pedophiles are ostracized, victimized and can even be arrested for their sexual feelings. So you must believe that pedophiles are not in the minority.

What has brought you to such a conclusion?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's a very flimsy defense for not being able to understand the issue.



Well I know for a fact that pedophiles are ostracized, victimized and can even be arrested for their sexual feelings. So you must believe that pedophiles are not in the minority.

What has brought you to such a conclusion? Dude, I know we don't see eye to eye on everything, but I really dig your style. Lets make babies or something.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude, I know we don't see eye to eye on everything, but I really dig your style. Lets make babies or something.

Backfire would kill me.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Backfire would kill me. Nah, he likes his men a bit on the worn out side. You know..second....to third hand.

I like sloppy seconds.

i do have moral problems with people getting off on videos of children being forced or explited or people being raped etc. on the other hand, i do not think simply WATCHING it can be or shud be made illegal. buying it on the other hand, or making it or distributing it{anything which fuels the industry or actually commits those actions} shud be banned. ofcourse this only really refers to porn with actual people involved, not loicon and stuff.

Pedophiles are supposed to be ostracized and victimized. We're talking about sick freaks, not rational human beings. "Sexual feelings"? Give me a ****ing break. Has the world gone mad?

I like this legal move, last time kids got apprehended for attempting to stab their teacher. Now all I've to tell on all those kids forums is, use the pics dummies, and your teacher will be long gone for good

Poor conservatives, their laws will be used against them. Conservative severe physical punishment legal guardians don't want kids doing whatever they please? just plant pics and tell on the bastards ... goodbye The legal lightsaber is now on kids hands, even more legal power for the little angels, now they can't be touched

a very good topic