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Who wins?

Captain america.
His shield rarely, if ever, misses. I think Captain America knocks Gambit out right off the line.

however, If Gambit can dodge the shield or even get ahold of it to charge. I think Gambit would win. His cards have a blast radius that i think would be to much for cap to dodge continuously.

Cap i think. He would be able to block the cards and close the gap and go in for the kill. Gambit is quick slightly agile but Cap has taken out quicker and more agile ppl.

Cap 8/10

Even if he blocks a charge, the blast may still knock him back. Also, Gambit can pretty much rapid fire his charges...

While Capt is obviously the superior H2H fighter, Gambit's staff gives him range, which is quite important in H2H.

I'm not yet decided....

Originally posted by Placidity
Even if he blocks a charge, the blast may still knock him back. Also, Gambit can pretty much rapid fire his charges...

While Capt is obviously the superior H2H fighter, Gambit's staff gives him range, which is quite important in H2H.

I'm not yet decided....

range smange Wolverine owned him.

Well Gambit owned Sabretooth once with his staff. You cant take one instance and apply it to everything. I'm not saying you arent right, just that you cant use that as proof.

Originally posted by Placidity
Well Gambit owned Sabretooth once with his staff. You cant take one instance and apply it to everything. I'm not saying you arent right, just that you cant use that as proof.

I think Sabre was weakened and as far as I know Wolverine has owned Gambit several times.

Gambit

Easy.

Gambit has also beaten Wolverine before, though IIRC Wolverine might not have been at 100%.

Good fight. Gambit has a good shot imo.

cap wins

Cap

couldnt gambit just catch caps shield charge it and throw it back at him. if he can gambit all the way

what would happen exactly if gambit grabbed the shield and tried to charge it ?

Originally posted by chomperx9
what would happen exactly if gambit grabbed the shield and tried to charge it ? Charge a vibranium shield with kinetic energy?

Originally posted by Mindset
Charge a vibranium shield with kinetic energy? right but what would happen to the shield since its idestructible ? would the charge even work on caps shield ? or still work but not explode ?

i'll take cap. anyone of scans of their recent match up in AvX?

Here ya go:

Originally posted by guy222
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872121_AVX-Zone_002.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872123_AVX-Zone_003.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872126_AVX-Zone_004.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872129_AVX-Zone_005.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872132_AVX-Zone_006.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872134_AVX-Zone_007.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872137_AVX-Zone_008.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872139_AVX-Zone_009.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11872142_AVX-Zone_010.jpg

I tend to believe Gambit would win the majority, and that AVX fight was a PIS mess. In terms of power set, Gambit is a highly underrated monster.

However, if we accept the AVX feat as valid, that Cap can flat out tank Gambit charging his costume, then I don't see what Gambit has that can put him down in a forum fight.

Cap 6 or 7/10.



EDIT: (deleted brain fart)

He did charge it in 616 and some alternate Earth, too.

Why do they always job Gambit out?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here ya go: Gambit should have seriously won that fight the minute he blew him up even if he scaled back the explosion as not to kill him.

so pissed.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I tend to believe Gambit would win the majority, and that AVX fight was a PIS mess. In terms of power set, Gambit is a highly underrated monster.

However, if we accept the AVX feat as valid, that Cap can flat out tank Gambit charging his costume, then I don't see what Gambit has that can put him down in a forum fight.

Cap 6 or 7/10.



EDIT: (deleted brain fart) Gambit could have charged it further and outright killed Cap. But Gambit's a hero, after all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here ya go:

merci.

i think the fight was actually really good and played out pretty much how i'd have thought. gambit could have killed him by charging the suit more, but of course in character he never would. there's also the fact he may not have had the chance had cap given him his undivided attention from the start.... figured it for a close fight, and it was. i'm not disappointed in that at all, nor do i see the jobbing that has been mentioned. one need not have jobbed to have lost to cap....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gambit could have charged it further and outright killed Cap. But Gambit's a hero, after all.

How big would the explosion have been if he fully charged it?

Originally posted by leonidas
merci.

i think the fight was actually really good and played out pretty much how i'd have thought. gambit could have killed him by charging the suit more, but of course in character he never would. there's also the fact he may not have had the chance had cap given him his undivided attention from the start.... figured it for a close fight, and it was. i'm not disappointed in that at all, nor do i see the jobbing that has been mentioned. one need not have jobbed to have lost to cap.... Cap wasn't serious and when he got serious he oneshotted Gambit.

I'd call that jobbing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
How big would the explosion have been if he fully charged it? I don't know for sure. Considering a single super thin playing card typically makes explosions that large, I'm willing to think that an entire suit of scale mail would make one much larger. He killed the Tithe Collector (superhuman) when he charged his raincoat. So it can be lethal.

It's not the first time McNiven depicted Steve surviving a big explosion. Anyone remembers that Civil War scene when Herc saved Cap from Iron Man?

Captain America's the anti-jobber.

Gambit is the jobber.

It's a lethal combination that always results in a win for Captain America.

Although, Gambit as he was first introduced (with bullet timing level reflexes et al) will give Captain America a very long fight and IMO will beat the Captain.

I like that some people complain about the fact that Cap survived the suit charge yet have no prob with the shield charge at all.

Steve is just as tough as his indestructible uru-enhanced shield.

haw-som

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Steve is just as tough as his indestructible uru-enhanced shield.

haw-som Oh yeah it's Uru enhanced now too, totally forgot about that I guess now it's even more indestructible, wait a minute...

Cap was jobbing.

Glad he put down Gambit. Sorry, but the whole X-verse is lame. A bunch of pixie azz fairy characters except for Wolverine, Storm, Beast and Cyclops.

X-Men used to be great in the 80s.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
How big would the explosion have been if he fully charged it?


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/2350033-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/2350034-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg


http://www.lediableblanc.com/Charge/coat-gambitls4.jpg

Daken's durability sucks though and Daken himself too.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Daken's durability sucks though and Daken himself too. are you kidding me?

that was just the wrapping on his arm. what do you think metal scales would be like and you cant say the same for the Tithe Collectors durability b/c he is superhuman in the Gambit mini.. He was able to shrug off Gambit's best attacks and treat Gambit like a nuisance.

facts are Cap took a blast from gambit and it is what it is, captain america always presents insane damage soak and durability so i dont see the problem here, i bet a guy with same durability as cap would be knocked out however cap aside of having freakish durability and damage soak has also insane level of fighting spirit and will power and thats basically what makes him keep going when even he himself shouldnt be able to, and its not PIS if its presented time after time after time.

and even if gambit would be able to take cap with a blast we take into calcualtion the fact cap wasnt even serious at first, however as you saw when cap got serious he basically blocked everything gambit had to offer with his shield and one shotted the guy.

jobbing aura

Captain Aura

Yeah, I believe Cap was jobbing, too.

He should have one paneled Remy, but he got jobbed out to the writers.

Gambit should have one shotted Cap with a charge bo staff blow to the noggin.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/147534-142718-gambit_super.jpg

Maybe in a bad fan-fic, yeah.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Maybe in a bad fan-fic, yeah. Cap's jobber aura kept Gambit from hitting him with explosive blows which he has done various other times.

the 1st panel should have ended the fight if Gambit had charged the staff

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11872132/AVX-Zone_006.jpg.html

Everytime Cap wins he should tell his opponent to go home and be a family man.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Everytime Cap wins he should tell his opponent to go home and be a family man.



They're not man enough to fight with him.

if gambit was charging his staff then cap wouldnt block a charged staff with his hand, come on man now you are just dissing cap its not cool, cap fights very smartly if gambit would use charged attacks cap would either avoid them or block with the shield, and as i pointed out already as soon as Cap got serious on gambit as was stated he simply blocked everything and one shotted gambit.

http://www.lediableblanc.com/Charge/book-gambit2-6.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47816/1133471-scan0010.jpg

lili isnt Cap

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Daken's durability sucks though and Daken himself too.

He took hits from Bor, Skaar, Thing...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I believe Cap was jobbing, too.

He should have one paneled Remy, but he got jobbed out to the writers.

In the main AvX book, their fight was much shorter.

1. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871956/AVX-Zone_015.jpg.html
2. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871968/AVX-Zone_016.jpg.html
3. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871972/AVX-Zone_017.jpg.html
Props to guy222.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He took hits from Bor, Skaar, Thing...



In the main AvX book, their fight was much shorter.

1. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871956/AVX-Zone_015.jpg.html
2. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871968/AVX-Zone_016.jpg.html
3. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11871972/AVX-Zone_017.jpg.html
Props to guy222. how the hell could they win with X-Man there?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
how the hell could they win with X-Man there?

I believe he got depowered or something. And it was HANK PYM he and Illyana were facing, remember.

Many weird fights happened in AvX. Wolverine winning against the mighty polar bear, Warpath having trouble with DD and getting pwned in seconds by Cap, Namor "losing" vs. Thing, etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He took hits from Bor, Skaar, Thing... If we are talking about the same instance Thing sended him into hospital for several days.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If we are talking about the same instance Thing sended him into hospital for several days.

We're talking about his first encounter with FF, right? I don't remember Daken landing in the hospital bed. It's been a long time though, I could be wrong. Maybe he was faking so he could gain their trust? Are you sure you're not mixing it up with the instance when he got partially blown up by Bullseye?

Without writer's protection, Cap would've been already dead from Gambit charging his shirt and making it explode buuuut he lives.

Cap aura > anything gambit can come up with.

Cap should take out Gambit almost every time, though all of their fights would be hard fought and not easy in the slightest.

Originally posted by red sabre
facts are Cap took a blast from gambit and it is what it is, captain america always presents insane damage soak and durability so i dont see the problem here, i bet a guy with same durability as cap would be knocked out however cap aside of having freakish durability and damage soak has also insane level of fighting spirit and will power and thats basically what makes him keep going when even he himself shouldnt be able to, and its not PIS if its presented time after time after time.

and even if gambit would be able to take cap with a blast we take into calcualtion the fact cap wasnt even serious at first, however as you saw when cap got serious he basically blocked everything gambit had to offer with his shield and one shotted the guy. Yea, Gambit jobbed.

how did he job when he DID use his powers on cap but he just couldnt take him out?

Because he could take him out had he not jobbed.

Glad we cleared that up.

Gambit wins, with ease.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because he could take him out had he not jobbed.

Glad we cleared that up.

how was he jobbing when he used everything he could from his charged cards to actually charging cap himself and still it didnt take Cap out, so no gambit cannot take cap out but cap took him out with 1 punch and its on panel.

Originally posted by cdtm
Gambit wins, with ease.

the 2 fights they had show otherwise so i choose to go by 2 comics showings than your speculations.

Originally posted by red sabre
facts are Cap took a blast from gambit and it is what it is, captain america always presents insane damage soak and durability so i dont see the problem here, i bet a guy with same durability as cap would be knocked out however cap aside of having freakish durability and damage soak has also insane level of fighting spirit and will power and thats basically what makes him keep going when even he himself shouldnt be able to, and its not PIS if its presented time after time after time.

and even if gambit would be able to take cap with a blast we take into calcualtion the fact cap wasnt even serious at first, however as you saw when cap got serious he basically blocked everything gambit had to offer with his shield and one shotted the guy.

I agree, Cap takes this one easy.

Originally posted by red sabre
how was he jobbing when he used everything he could from his charged cards to actually charging cap himself and still it didnt take Cap out, so no gambit cannot take cap out but cap took him out with 1 punch and its on panel. That's how he was jobbing...

Originally posted by Mindset
That's how he was jobbing...

nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.

Cap has a "Jobber Aura". Everybody knows that. His stats are clearly stated to be at a certain level, yet because he's Captain America, he performs above and beyond those set levels all the time. He's to Marvel what Batman is to DC.

Like how Batman hurt Wonder Woman with a kick, or hurt Darkseid. Same deal with Cap punching out Hulk, not even being hurt with that much explosive going off directly on his body, or outrunning a bullet and "seeing faster than it".

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap has a "Jobber Aura". Everybody knows that. His stats are clearly stated to be at a certain level, yet because he's Captain America, he performs above and beyond those set levels all the time. He's to Marvel what Batman is to DC.

Like how Batman hurt Wonder Woman with a kick, or hurt Darkseid. Same deal with Cap punching out Hulk, not even being hurt with that much explosive going off directly on his body, or outrunning a bullet and "seeing faster than it".

again with the cap butthurt, his stats are clearly stated? where? wikipedia? i go by his feats and comics stats which clearly show us he is super human, i cant believe how butthurt people are with captain america that they rather ignore comics showings time after time in favor of some bio 20 - 30 years ago thats stupid.

cap unlike batman has consistant showings of going up against top tiers while smoking street levelers and enhanced guys, i agree cap also has some low showings however the complete majority shows cap hanging with those guys while being able to take streets and metas left and right.

batman on the other hand while having some showings of hurting wonder woman or green lantern gets owned or stalemated when going up against street levelrs like himself, gets owned when fighting slightly enhanced guys like bane on venom and deathstroke, and therefor if we take the majority and overall portrayel of batman we will see that he has trouble and belongs to the street levelrs category.

Cap by showings is super human, consistant showings time after time portray him that way so if you choose to ignore 90% of his career in favor of a wikipedia bio the butthurt is strong with you.

Originally posted by red sabre
nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.
Under jobbing he means stupid writing since that explosion should have ko'd/killed Cap.
Each card explodes with a force of a hand granade...iirc .The size of the suit which got charged was at least 20 times bigger then a card don't tell me that Cap could take the equvalient of atlest 20 hand grande explosions to the face without seriously getting hurt.

Originally posted by Estacado
Under jobbing he means stupid writing since that explosion should have ko'd/killed Cap.
Each card explodes with a force of a hand granade...iirc .The size of the suit which got charged was at least 20 times bigger then a card don't tell me that Cap could take the equvalient of atlest 20 hand grande explosions to the face without seriously getting hurt.

those are only your speculations, the writers dissagre with you and i think i will go with the wreiters.

first of all i would like a proof that 1 card = a hand grenade.

second of all your calculstion is flawed, even if lets say a card = a hand grenade it still doesnt mean that a larger area charged by same kinetic force would be 20 times stronger, its the same kinetic explosion only spreaded on a bigger object, 20 grenades however are 20 objects each of them present its own force which multiple its force by the number of grenades, if gambit threw 20 cards perhaps that would be equel to 20 grenades if you manage to prove a card = a granade, however that chest vest doesnt present the force of 20 kineticly charged objects and wont have the same effect, the vest was charged with same kinetic force the card was only thing it the vest is bigger therefor the explosion spreads on bigger area thats all.

the chest area is not = 20 cards you gone too far its the size of 8 cards at best.

and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.

Originally posted by red sabre
those are only your speculations, the writers dissagre with you and i think i will go with the wreiters.

first of all i would like a proof that 1 card = a hand grenade.

second of all your calculstion is flawed, even if lets say a card = a hand grenade it still doesnt mean that a larger area charged by same kinetic force would be 20 times stronger, its the same kinetic explosion only spreaded on a bigger object, 20 grenades however are 20 objects each of them present its own force which multiple its force by the number of grenades, if gambit threw 20 cards perhaps that would be equel to 20 grenades if you manage to prove a card = a granade, however that chest vest doesnt present the force of 20 kineticly charged objects and wont have the same effect, the vest was charged with same kinetic force the card was only thing it the vest is bigger therefor the explosion spreads on bigger area thats all.

the chest area is not = 20 cards you gone too far its the size of 8 cards at best.

and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.

There is no way Cap should be able to do the things he does and get away with it, But he is Cap and I am perfectly ok with it

Originally posted by red sabre
the 2 fights they had show otherwise so i choose to go by 2 comics showings than your speculations.

It's actually the same fight, just depicted differently.

Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly Gambit should've thrown it away and pelted Cap with cards.

Cap surviving an explosing that destroys buildings was also insane.

Originally posted by DTM
Cap should take out Gambit almost every time, though all of their fights would be hard fought and not easy in the slightest. I could live with this.

Originally posted by red sabre
nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.

The fact Cap took everything Gambit had is why Gambit jobbed.

Cap isn't Luke Cage, even if writers sometimes write him like he is. A street can knock him out, no way he should take Gambits best.

Him beating Warpath was crap, too.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly Gambit should've thrown it away and pelted Cap with cards.

Cap surviving an explosing that destroys buildings was also insane.

I wrote that wrong.

Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly. Gambit should have thrown Caps shield far away upon catching it in mid air then pelted Cap with cards.

Cap surviving having his costume charged was insane. A charged card has taken out cars, the amount of physical matter that made up Caps costume should've been enough to kill him.

Gambit's feats in his solo run personally put him above Cap.

Remy takes this.

Originally posted by red sabre

and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.

And this goes against the bulk of his history, where he can't survive class 100 hits and is closer to Batmans overall physical level than Luke Cages.

Accepting it because it happens under multiple writers gives PIS and SvsF no meaning. Spidey has multiple examples of handling characters far outside his weight class too (He took out two class 100's by swinging them into a tree, for example. I believe one of them was Surfer.) Still PIS, multiple examples or no.

blows up riptide

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/Gambit30/Gambit%209/Gambit9page151.jpg

Just be glad Cap didn't hit the Cajun with the Final Justice.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/live_rich/FINALJUSTICE.gif

Can somebody name some of Gambit's biggest wins or stalemates?

Hahaha eat it cap haters. The real deal won.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Just be glad Cap didn't hit the Cajun with the Final Justice.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/live_rich/FINALJUSTICE.gif

He can try but he will eat a Royal Flush before he makes it

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/gambit-super.gif

Someone mentioned Gambit being able to blow up cars?

I hope that isn't supposed to mean something.

Cap is A LOT more durable than a car.

This guy is able to jump from incredible heights with no parachute, land completely on his feet, create craters from his landing, and go on without a single broken bone nor twisted ankle ligaments.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Can somebody name some of Gambit's biggest wins or stalemates?

Wolverine
Sabretooth

The Marauders he basically solo'ed.
knocked out Gladz
He has hurt Sinister
He has taken down Captain America and Hawkeye down at the same time.

Gambit should have won that fight in my opinion. But the way cap handled him when he got serious was pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Wolverine
Sabretooth

The Marauders he basically solo'ed.
knocked out Gladz
He has hurt Sinister
He has taken down Captain America and Hawkeye down at the same time. Those are nice wins/stalemates. I know he stalemated Blade and DareDevil in his solo late 90's series. I think he also beat Zaran too.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Someone mentioned Gambit being able to blow up cars?

I hope that isn't supposed to mean something.

Cap is A LOT more durable than a car.

This guy is able to jump from incredible heights with no parachute, land completely on his feet, create craters from his landing, and go on without a single broken bone nor twisted ankle ligaments. If Gambit can ko's far more durable guys than Cap like Wolverine, Sabretooth and various other super villains and heroes. why couldnt Gambit Ko Cap by charging his chain mail especially when he has ko'ed Captain America in the past with a simple card explosion.

Originally posted by cdtm
The fact Cap took everything Gambit had is why Gambit jobbed.

Cap isn't Luke Cage, even if writers sometimes write him like he is. A street can knock him out, no way he should take Gambits best.

overhyping gambit much? so now you have to be luke cage to take gambit powers? as i said before on panel feat shows us Cap took that explosion and its not the first time can surviving explosions or hits that would destroy any street leveler or even peak human, cap took blasts from iron man which i would put on higher level than gambit explosive tricks.

stop with the butthurt and face it, thats Cap and thats how he rolls.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I wrote that wrong.

Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly. Gambit should have thrown Caps shield far away upon catching it in mid air then pelted Cap with cards.

Cap surviving having his costume charged was insane. A charged card has taken out cars, the amount of physical matter that made up Caps costume should've been enough to kill him.

Gambit's feats in his solo run personally put him above Cap.

Remy takes this.

why was it silly? because you didnt like it? Cap blocked everything gambit had to offer just the way he should and after gambit charged his chest cap was hurt and bleeding however being the trooper he is he still was standing and kicked him ass, thats not silly thats the fact you dont like it.

he tryed cards on cap however cap blocked it with his shield and cap is more then fast enough to close the distance very quickly, or are you trying to suggest gambit is just going to throw cards and cap will just be standing? news flash he can close the distance by charging with his shield first.

Cap is much more durable than a car, he survived things that any car would get wrecked, street leveler survive things that a car wouldnt thats not a very smart point.

no gambit doesnt have feats to suggest Cap wont be able to block everything he got with the shield and one shot him just like he did.

Originally posted by cdtm
And this goes against the bulk of his history, where he can't survive class 100 hits and is closer to Batmans overall physical level than Luke Cages.

Accepting it because it happens under multiple writers gives PIS and SvsF no meaning. Spidey has multiple examples of handling characters far outside his weight class too (He took out two class 100's by swinging them into a tree, for example. I believe one of them was Surfer.) Still PIS, multiple examples or no.

wrong again, he is actually closer to luke cage than he is to batman judging by feats that were presented time after time specially for the butthurt.

so 90% of Caps career over years on top of years is PIS? get out of here.

spidy just like batman has few feats where he can hang with the top dogs however by the way he perform overall its safe to say he cannot take on the hulk on thor, captain america while obviously cant hang with same top dogs is still portrayed on higher levels than your averege street or even your enhanced guy, he got amazing physical attributes portrayed for years, saying he shouldnt be able to hang with gambit is retarded both by feats and their recent fight.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
If Gambit can ko's far more durable guys than Cap like Wolverine, Sabretooth and various other super villains and heroes. why couldnt Gambit Ko Cap by charging his chain mail especially when he has ko'ed Captain America in the past with a simple card explosion.

whjen did gambit KO sabretooth? as far as i remember sabretooth was brain damaged and didnt understand whats going on, gambit attacked him in the danger room and started to beat him up with no answer, at the end creed wasnt knocked out he was just under gambit feets while gambit is pointing his charged staff to his head all mad, creed wasnt knocked out.

when did he knock out wolverine? would love to see it.

so in the past he took cap out with a single card? now i call that a PIS and bullshit since Cap survived far worse injuries than a pathetic card from gambit, hell gambit threw his charged card down sabretooth throat and it didnt even take his head off or anything, it should have at least burn creed from the inside and show him healing, however it did nothing only made some pain thats all.

gambit is overrated, gambit taking out gladiator is pure PIS dont even tell me you take moments like those seriously, as i stated already we got on panel proof that Cap can and did take gambit shots and basically 1 shotted him and i dont really care if people dont like it, cap is stronger faster more durable got by far the better stamina better skills he basically got everything over gambit, thinking gambit should win this just because he can charge things is stupid.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Just be glad Cap didn't hit the Cajun with the Final Justice.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/live_rich/FINALJUSTICE.gif

Originally posted by Zack Fair
He can try but he will eat a Royal Flush before he makes it

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/gambit-super.gif

Word. Royal Flush 3xchain utterly destroys Final Justice.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Word. Royal Flush 3xchain utterly destroys Final Justice.

however if cap used the shield bash he could defend the royal flash and take gambit out, no need for a super.

Cap is top tier in MvC2. Gambit? Not so much.

gambit is a basic character, you do the trick card and pray you fill up the super meter quickly to unleash the royal flash

Yeah....Gambit might have powned Batman.

But this is Captain America.

Cap's jobber aura is too strong.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap is top tier in MvC2. Gambit? Not so much.

Meh, the characters are so well balanced, I think the tier system in that game is more reflective of overall popularity than any weaknesses in a character.

Get 1,000 players vs 100,000, and you're going to get more players ranking from the latter group...

How can people say Cap should be able to shrug off such an explosion when Wolverine and Sabretooth have needed their HF's to survive the Card impact explosions?

also:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/359_24_06_07_6_03_23.jpg

Originally posted by Nietzschean
How can people say Cap should be able to shrug off such an explosion when Wolverine and Sabretooth have needed their HF's to survive the Card impact explosions?

also:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/359_24_06_07_6_03_23.jpg

why wouldnt wolverine and sabretooth use healing factor after explosion? their overall skin and flesh tissues are just the same, cap was injured after the explosion as well he was bleeding but he kept fighting and owned gambit, besides its not like wolverine or sabretooth wouldnt be able to continue fighting if it wasnt for the healing factor, his explosions caused some minor tissue damage which was healed outomatically thats it.

Originally posted by red sabre
why wouldnt wolverine and sabretooth use healing factor after explosion? their overall skin and flesh tissues are just the same, cap was injured after the explosion as well he was bleeding but he kept fighting and owned gambit, besides its not like wolverine or sabretooth wouldnt be able to continue fighting if it wasnt for the healing factor, his explosions caused some minor tissue damage which was healed outomatically thats it. ahaha.. u realize Sinister is far more durable than Cap, right?
Sinister is bullet proof with superhuman strength and durability.

the only time Gambits cards shouldnt kill a human or someone like Cap is if he is limiting the explosive charge on the card. something he does to prevent from killing from time to time. dont confuse it with Cap's own durability level.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
ahaha.. u realize Sinister is far more durable than Cap, right?
Sinister is bullet proof with superhuman strength and durability.

the only time Gambits cards shouldnt kill a human or someone like Cap is if he is limiting the explosive charge on the card. something he does to prevent from killing from time to time. dont confuse it with Cap's own durability level.

as i remember sinister is vulnerable specially to energy attacks thats why cyclops was so dangerous to him and was smocking him easily with his optic blasts,also as i remember wolverine and the other x men easily were able to hurt him, its his healing factor that does the trick, what does his strength got to do with anything?

as i pointed out gambit explosive cards never were a real deal, he shoved a card down sabretooth throat and it didnt do any real damage, the cards are minor explosive nothing serious actually, of course it all depends on how many cards gambit will use, but overall as i pointed out we got an on panel feat and solid proof that captain america can and did take a charge from gambit, he was injured and bleeding but he took it like a man and one shotted gambit, i dont see any problem with that if we include the entire career of captain america surviving punishement from class 100 bricks, iron man energy blasts, different types of explosions, falling from a building on solid cocnrete and get right back up atc atc.

Sinister was only vulnerable to Cyclop's optic blast and even then it wasnt a big deal for him

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/2351073-gambit_charges_vamp_super.jpg

i actually remember sinister having an issue with energy blast i will look up his showings during the classic x men era.

the scan you posted i can read it therefor i dont know the full context behind this or what the hell is going on.

anyway sinister aside as i pointed out already Cap took a charge from gambit on panel, he was injured and bleeding however he kept fighting and one shotted gambit, there is nothing wrong with that if we look at his career at surviving insane punishments, it is clear that Cap has super human durability and an insane damage soak, combine that with his unmatched will power and fighting spirit and what you get is the the things you see but for some reason call them PIS.

I think the eventual and ultimate explanation is Gambit just underestimated the amout of charge that is needed to knock Cap out.

In other words, it's less to do with Cap's durability and more with Gambit's f-up.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6628/xmanxforce0002alt4.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap is top tier in MvC2. Gambit? Not so much.

LoL U crazy.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
LoL U crazy.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1uy-68Ilgc/TqHA90K9TiI/AAAAAAAACTg/FBsBhhwDESc/s1600/Captain+America+Promo+Image.jpg

All I see is blah blah blah Cap wins. blah BLAH.



Gambit wins. Easy. Read comics......Remember that time when Cable took down the entire Avengers recently?

Well Gambit not long ago made Cable crap his pants whilst Remy blew his island up like a champ.

Originally posted by the ninjak
All I see is blah blah blah Cap wins. blah BLAH.

.

and repeated mention of 'butthurt'. strange fixation to be honest.

Originally posted by avatarroku92
and repeated mention of 'butthurt'. strange fixation to be honest.

Are you trying to read my mind? Because further ventures inward will result me eating your freakin soul!

Originally posted by the ninjak
All I see is blah blah blah Cap wins. blah BLAH.



Gambit wins. Easy. Read comics......Remember that time when Cable took down the entire Avengers recently?

Well Gambit not long ago made Cable crap his pants whilst Remy blew his island up like a champ.

strange because all i see here is you crying and refuse to except the feat as it is, "whaaa gambit will win" "whaaa its not fair cap shouldnt be able to own gambit like that whaaaa" , now you are trying to excuse it by saying gambit did something to cable? same cable that admited Captain america is stronger and faster than him

are you reffering to the enhanced horseman gambit? i didnt see that feat but if you think gambit can blow up an island without any serious amp you got a fanboy syndrom.

look at your argument and look at my, i bring feats facts and explain what happened and why its valid, all you do is act like a child and repeat "gambit wins easily" thats already dumb and nobody is going to take you seriously for that.

and for the people who say gambit could have killed cap if he charged him some more, what do you think cap would do if gambit was trying to charge him further? just stand there and take it? notice how gambit charge him quickly and kick him away because if gambit would be trying to do this any longer cap would simply one shot him straight into his jaw, gambit potentially can charge cap further and kill him however he wont ever get the chance to do it, and as we saw when cap is serious buisness gambit isnt going to get a chance to hurt him in any way as long as cap got his shield with him.

Originally posted by red sabre

gambit is overrated, gambit taking out gladiator is pure PIS dont even tell me you take moments like those seriously, as i stated already we got on panel proof that Cap can and did take gambit shots and basically 1 shotted him and i dont really care if people dont like it, cap is stronger faster more durable got by far the better stamina better skills he basically got everything over gambit, thinking gambit should win this just because he can charge things is stupid.

To be fair Gambit used the whole deck and I think he deliberately aimed at his solar plexus.

Originally posted by red sabre
and for the people who say gambit could have killed cap if he charged him some more, what do you think cap would do if gambit was trying to charge him further? just stand there and take it? notice how gambit charge him quickly and kick him away because if gambit would be trying to do this any longer cap would simply one shot him straight into his jaw, gambit potentially can charge cap further and kill him however he wont ever get the chance to do it, and as we saw when cap is serious buisness gambit isnt going to get a chance to hurt him in any way as long as cap got his shield with him.

Cap knew Gambit was trying to charge him. He was just so cocky he forgot that his chainmail wasn't organic. It says so right there on panel in their conversation.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap knew Gambit was trying to charge him. He was just so cocky he forgot that his chainmail wasn't organic. It says so right there on panel in their conversation.

i know however lets pretend gambit was trying to charge cap further, do you honestly believe cap would be standing all that time and just letting him charge and charge while looking deep into his eyes like he is some lover boy? seriously gambit wont get the chance to do something like that.

if people believe gambit can charge the same object further and therefor make the explosion even stronger i would like a proof that the longer gambit is charging something the stronger the explosion gets.

Originally posted by red sabre
i know however lets pretend gambit was trying to charge cap further, do you honestly believe cap would be standing all that time and just letting him charge and charge while looking deep into his eyes like he is some lover boy? seriously gambit wont get the chance to do something like that.

if people believe gambit can charge the same object further and therefor make the explosion even stronger i would like a proof that the longer gambit is charging something the stronger the explosion gets.

Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed. I would say that's the most rational explanation.

That Gambit didn't want to kill just KO him but he underestimated how tough Cap really is.

Of course I think Cap could one shot Gambit like he did.

Originally posted by Newjak
I would say that's the most rational explanation.

That Gambit didn't want to kill just KO him but he underestimated how tough Cap really is.

Of course I think Cap could one shot Gambit like he did.

I have to say I agree and I did want to argue that Cap was durable enough but Gambit has pretty impressive showings in that regard. The thing is that his chain shirt was attached to him as well so there was no distance at all and nothing to absorb the blast. Cap has some impressive durability showings but I don't think I can believe that Cap would be still standing if Gambit was trying to kill him, at the very least he would be KOed.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed.

first of all cap wasnt serious until the charge, after the charge when cap got serious you could clearly see at this point gambit couldnt hurt him, cap just blocked avoided everything gambit had and one shotted him and thats how most of their fights would go.

as for the explosion thing, gambit was holding back? seriously? throwing several explosive cards at cap and then charge him is holding back? and as far as i remember gambit said something like another hero went down which could indicate another hero has fallen, however that doesnt really matter seeing how gambit didnt believe cap was on his feet which means gambit was expecting cap not being able to get up which means he gave a good portion into this charge and believed himself it was a strong one.

and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

Are you Carter's sock?

Originally posted by Estacado
Are you Carter's sock?

if you got a problem with the way i view things please enlight us where am i wrong, if not step back and let other people do it.

Originally posted by red sabre
and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

He can charge anything to different degrees. In Jim Lee and Chris Claremont's X-men #1, he said he could charge a card enough to kill against Magneto but did not. In other instances, he charged a card enough simply to be a flare. In common instances, it creates a small to large explosion. Simply put, yes, he can control the level of explosion.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
He can charge anything to different degrees. In Jim Lee and Chris Claremont's X-men #1, he said he could charge a card enough to kill against Magneto but did not. In other instances, he charged a card enough simply to be a flare. In common instances, it creates a small to large explosion. Simply put, yes, he can control the level of explosion.

how to we know the level he charged cap then? why are you all claiming he was holding back? i can easily say he did his best, he was very surprised that cap got up, and before that he said another hero down for the count, he actually used both of his hands i actually think he went all out on cap and did everything he could for the time gap he had to charge cap.

so he can control the level of explosion from minimal to averege then, but who said that he can charge something further than his normal charge? his statement doesnt worth much i would love to see feats of him being able to charge a card to higher levels than he normally does.

http://www.lediableblanc.com/History/Sinister/05-origins-01-02.jpg

Originally posted by red sabre
first of all cap wasnt serious until the charge, after the charge when cap got serious you could clearly see at this point gambit couldnt hurt him, cap just blocked avoided everything gambit had and one shotted him and thats how most of their fights would go.

as for the explosion thing, gambit was holding back? seriously? throwing several explosive cards at cap and then charge him is holding back? and as far as i remember gambit said something like another hero went down which could indicate another hero has fallen, however that doesnt really matter seeing how gambit didnt believe cap was on his feet which means gambit was expecting cap not being able to get up which means he gave a good portion into this charge and believed himself it was a strong one.

and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

He wasn't trying to kill Cap. Ok?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
http://www.lediableblanc.com/History/Sinister/05-origins-01-02.jpg

its stated he can transform his kinetic powers into object such as this card, he stated he could transform his kinetic energy into a hairsbreadth which means he could control the amount to minimal degrees, however i asked for a proof he can actually increase his charges on a singal object such as a card into higher than normal levels which wasnt presented yet.

at the end of your scan he said he sliped and lost that ability and it ended up "like this" then he throws the card which suppose to present us the fact its all he can do, so basically you just presented me a feat claiming gambit could in the past but no longer can concetrate his energy in minor levels such as a hairsbreadth however you didnt present me a proof that he can charge single object to higher degrees than normally if he keeps holding it futher and longer.

at the end of the day it cannot be proved gambit didnt use all he could on cap, he used both hands on cap and couldnt believe cap got up after this which means he was giving his best shot IMO, care to prove me wrong?

Originally posted by Deadline
He wasn't trying to kill Cap. Ok?

based on what? i say he didnt really care if cap will die or not, charging him with both hands and then saying another hero went down, and then surprised as hell that cap got up indicates us that he did used a very big portion of what he could, if it was a minor charge he wouldnt be so surprised cap got up, and as i said before it wasnt proved yet he can charge something to greater degrees than normally the longer he holds that object, and even if it will be proved try to prove he didnt charge cap with everything he got.

http://www.lediableblanc.com/Charge/hijacksjacket.jpg

Originally posted by Nietzschean
http://www.lediableblanc.com/Charge/hijacksjacket.jpg

is that suppose to prove something? all i see is gambit charging his suit and its blown , so that proves he can charge things with a touch yeah we knew that all along, at this point you are just throwing random feats without providing any explanation to the things i asked.

Originally posted by red sabre
based on what? i say he didnt really care if cap will die or not, charging him with both hands and then saying another hero went down, and then surprised as hell that cap got up indicates us that he did used a very big portion of what he could, if it was a minor charge he wouldnt be so surprised cap got up, and as i said before it wasnt proved yet he can charge something to greater degrees than normally the longer he holds that object, and even if it will be proved try to prove he didnt charge cap with everything he got.

Because thats not his personality. Hes far from squeaky clean but hes not going to kill another hero without a good reason. Based on that when he said 'down for the count' we can take that literially.

Originally posted by red sabre
how to we know the level he charged cap then? why are you all claiming he was holding back? i can easily say he did his best, he was very surprised that cap got up, and before that he said another hero down for the count, he actually used both of his hands i actually think he went all out on cap and did everything he could for the time gap he had to charge cap.

so he can control the level of explosion from minimal to averege then, but who said that he can charge something further than his normal charge? his statement doesnt worth much i would love to see feats of him being able to charge a card to higher levels than he normally does.

The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference.

comic book characters overestimate their powers and underestimated their opponent on a daily basis. you would think that they all would know their power by now

he could have easily thought he put in enough energy to kill Cap but didnt realise that Cap is immortal. or put in just enough to KO Cap but underestimated his Cap-ness

these people make false "this can/will kill you" statements all the time

Originally posted by juggerman
comic book characters overestimate their powers and underestimated their opponent on a daily basis. you would think that they all would know their power by now

he could have easily thought he put in enough energy to kill Cap but didnt realise that Cap is immortal. or put in just enough to KO Cap but underestimated his Cap-ness

these people make false "this can/will kill you" statements all the time since when is Cap immortal?

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference.

Yes, size makes a difference, but he can control the amount of explosion in his charges with small arms. He's used cards as flares and flashlights all the way to creating explosions with them. Especially when it comes to the small stuff, how powerful the explosion is more dependent on his intent than charge time or the like.

since Chris Evans played him.

i know he's not i was just being silly while making a point

Originally posted by Deadline
Because thats not his personality. Hes far from squeaky clean but hes not going to kill another hero without a good reason. Based on that when he said 'down for the count' we can take that literially.

what does down for the count means? it can also mean down for the body count, rammy is not a boyscout character and during his whole history he was blowing up people , blowing body parts off , dont try to make gambit another boyscout superman, as far as we see gambit is using all his powers on cap and even charge him with both hands, we saw that gambit can blow up armors people easily with 1 hand, in this case he was using 2 hands on cap, there is no evidence that gambit was going light on cap and perhaps the writer wanted to make a statement that cap can take a max charge from gambit which he did, otherwise why use 2 hands on cap?

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference. There is a limit to how much of a charge he can put in a playing card. but, a grenade comparison seems like an appropriate comparison.

here he regulates the explosion to incinerate Spiderman's web balls with minimum amount of noise.
http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?PHPSESSID=337af1b039c51e50a5dc6e048e1d63bf&action=gallery;sa=view;id=2592

he has also used a single card to clear an entire room with a concussion blast.

http://www.lediableblanc.com/Chest/pigs4.jpg
http://www.lediableblanc.com/Chest/pigs5.jpg

Originally posted by FlyingAces
The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

as i said before we see gambit using both his hands on cap there is no reason to believe he was going light on him.

prove that gambit can increase his kinetic damage on specific object the longer he holds the object, i know he can use minor kinetic charge and go up to the normal levels like the cards he throws, however prove that he can increase his charge to above ordinary levels.

gambit stating something about his powers does not mean he can actually do it, hyperball is not new and perhapds gambit think he can do such thing however it doesnt really mean he can.

people seem to not understand my point, lets take cyclops for example, he can concetrate his optic blast into thin lines, pick locks with it, he can manipulate his optic blast from thin hair like lines into his normal optic blast, however does that mean he can manipulate the optic blast as much as he wants? there is a limit to his optic blast and its the same optic blast he use when his visors are on, visors off he has the GOML blast however that blast is limited as well, now my question is where is the proof that gambit can charge an object even futher beyond his normal charge that he use daily, and it depends on how long he touch the object, and then prove he didnt use all he had on cap, he was using both hands on cap which clearly tells us he wasnt planning on going light with cap.

Yes, I'm sure Gambit wouldn't know how his own powers work, and should be written off as hyperbole.

Either Gambit was holding back, or Cap tanking his best is PIS. Either way.

Cap's not Luke Cage. He can't survive a grenade.

Originally posted by red sabre
as i said before we see gambit using both his hands on cap there is no reason to believe he was going light on him.

prove that gambit can increase his kinetic damage on specific object the longer he holds the object, i know he can use minor kinetic charge and go up to the normal levels like the cards he throws, however prove that he can increase his charge to above ordinary levels.

gambit stating something about his powers does not mean he can actually do it, hyperball is not new and perhapds gambit think he can do such thing however it doesnt really mean he can.

It doesn`t mean he can`t either. You`re trying to write off what he says without actually showing that he`s wrong. And what do you mean by ordinary levels? He`s always shown he can control the level of his charge, so I`m not exactly sure what the disconnect is.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, I'm sure Gambit wouldn't know how his own powers work, and should be written off as hyperbole.

Either Gambit was holding back, or Cap tanking his best is PIS. Either way.

Cap's not Luke Cage. He can't survive a grenade.

cap survived things much more damagin than a grenade start to read comics genious.

hyperball is not new in comics, people state stuff so what? gambit thinks he can achieve some level good for him, until we see him do it he can wish anything he wants.

prove gambit was holding back, we see that he charged cap entire scale suit and we see that the explosion actually took out trees.