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Who takes it?

Surfer

Originally posted by tkitna
Surfer

How do you see SS taking Wally down? I'm just wondering.

Well, around this forum, people have the Flash comparable to God. I just cant see the Flash beating a being that is probably closest to him in speed, has matter manipulation, the power cosmic, and unwordly durability. If there was ever a character that had a chance of actually draining the Flash of the speed force, I would think it would be Surfer.

Scenario,,,Surfer takes to the sky and destroys the planet. Its the simplest way I can explain it.

Flash.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Flash.

Wow... just wow.

SS all day. Just all round more powerful

Sorry wally bye bye

Flash dies.

In a race Wally beats SS.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
In a race Wally beats SS. This isnt a race.

Silver Surfer for the win.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
In a race Wally beats SS. Disagree. Surfer has shown practical traveling speed just as fast.

He beats Wally in this fight. Power Cosmic > Speed Force.

One IMP should knock Norrin out.

Originally posted by llagrok
One IMP should knock Norrin out.

I have never disagreed with you more.

Originally posted by nimbus006
I have never disagreed with you more.

Oh? It knocked Zum out.

Originally posted by llagrok
Oh? It knocked Zum out.

And who wins a majority between those two?

Originally posted by nimbus006
And who wins a majority between those two?

Surfer and Flash or Zum and Surfer?

Because according to the DC guys Zum is pretty much equal to Superman. I'd give Wally the majority over SS though.

Originally posted by llagrok
Surfer and Flash or Zum and Surfer?

Because according to the DC guys Zum is pretty much equal to Superman. I'd give Wally the majority over SS though.

Wait Zum or Zoom?

Who'S Zum?

Originally posted by nimbus006
Wait Zum or Zoom?

Who'S Zum?

Powerful white martian.

Scans courtesy of Rorscach.

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Zum's powerful, but he's no Superman, nor Flash, nor Silver Surfer.

I only follow what the comics say.

Even so, taking him out with a single punch is strong, not to mention being capable of launching a thousand punches just like that.

Originally posted by llagrok
I only follow what the comics say.

Even so, taking him out with a single punch is strong, not to mention being capable of launching a thousand punches just like that. Sometimes these things have validity, sometimes they don't.

How many times has a character been repped to hit as hard or harder than Superman? How many times is it actually true? Who actually believes that Sentry defeated Galactus?

Originally posted by llagrok
Powerful white martian.

Scans courtesy of Rorscach.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp3.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
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Ohhhh, my mistake, I thought you were referring to Zoom.

Well, I don't know much about him (Zum), so I'll refrain from commenting.

However, in regards to Surfer vs. Flash, if there's one character who can handle anything Flash can dish it's Norrin. Flash is slightly faster, but Surfer can counter with his relative speed. Furhtermore, with his arsenal of tactics (Transmutation, Blasts, Phasing, Forcefield, limited TP etc...) at his disposal, Norrin (IMO) would take a healthy majority away from Wally.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Ohhhh, my mistake, I thought you were referring to Zoom.

Well, I don't know much about him (Zum), so I'll refrain from commenting.

However, in regards to Surfer vs. Flash, if there's one character who can handle anything Flash can dish it's Norrin. Flash is slightly faster, but Surfer can counter with his relative speed. Furhtermore, with his arsenal of tactics (Transmutation, Blasts, Phasing, Forcefield, limited TP etc...) at his disposal, Norrin (IMO) would take a healthy majority away from Wally.

Meh, Wally can heal better, he's faster, more striking power. Only needs to connect once to end it, Sufer's not fast enough to get away.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Sometimes these things have validity, sometimes they don't.

How many times has a character been repped to hit as hard or harder than Superman? How many times is it actually true? Who actually believes that Sentry defeated Galactus?

Wally has known Superman for many years, if anyone's going to make a good estimate of his power level, it's him! Unlike Spidey who knows jack all about Galactus and had forgotten about the Sentry.

Originally posted by llagrok
Meh, Wally can heal better, he's faster, more striking power. Only needs to connect once to end it, Sufer's not fast enough to get away.


You reall think he can heal better than Norrin, who by the way has the power to heal others?

He might not be fast enough to get away, but he should be fast enough to at least target and strike at Flash, which cosmic awareness should help with.

Originally posted by nimbus006
You reall think he can heal better than Norrin, who by the way has the power to heal others?

He might not be fast enough to get away, but he should be fast enough to at least target and strike at Flash, which cosmic awareness should help with.

Wally heals those crazy lethal injuries over and over, Norrin has decent regeneration as well, but nothing on par with Wally.

Surfer could probably take off in one direction while getting up a forceshield or something, which SHOULD stop Flash in theory. But I'm not sure if Surfer has a past of thinking at high speeds.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wally heals those crazy lethal injuries over and over, Norrin has decent regeneration as well, but nothing on par with Wally.

Surfer could probably take off in one direction while getting up a forceshield or something, which SHOULD stop Flash in theory. But I'm not sure if Surfer has a past of thinking at high speeds.

He's was built to think at high speeds in order to travel through space and time, and find energy sources for his master.

It's not possible to travel that fast without having the ability of rapid thought process.

How do you think he can scan the Earth in seconds to locate someone?

Originally posted by nimbus006
He's was built to think at high speeds in order to travel through space and time, and find energy sources for his master.

It's not possible to travel that fast without having the ability of rapid thought process.

I concur.

Surfer should be able to pull out a majority then, assuming he uses that tactic.

Originally posted by llagrok
I concur.

Surfer should be able to pull out a majority then, assuming he uses that tactic.

No doubt Flash would give him trouble (maybe take 2 or 3/10), but for the most part Surfer should be able to handle Flash.

SS won't hit Flash with his energy attacks nor physical. Flash can accelerate his molecules at super speed and Phase through SS's on coming attacks. And while doing that he can also impart speed to SS and cause him to crash into something.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
SS won't hit Flash with his energy attacks nor physical. Flash can accelerate his molecules at super speed and Phase through SS's on coming attacks. And while doing that he can also impart speed to SS and cause him to crash into something.

Surfer can also phase.

Crash into something...oh no ... what will he do then?

Surfer crashes into asteroids and Supernovas for fun.

Has Flash ever phased through energy attacks?

Originally posted by llagrok
Has Flash ever phased through energy attacks?

Beats me, but it is quite a different type of feat, than phasing through solid matter, that is.

Originally posted by llagrok
Has Flash ever phased through energy attacks?

Flash can adsorb it by moving at super speed. Because the energy collied with his aura that the Speed Force creates around him.

^lol hell no.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
SS won't hit Flash with his energy attacks nor physical. Flash can accelerate his molecules at super speed and Phase through SS's on coming attacks. And while doing that he can also impart speed to SS and cause him to crash into something. Hrm. I think that Surfer would have more control over his molecules than Flash. I'm a bit skeptical that Flash could even phase through the Surfer to begin with. Are there instances of Flash phasing through people of comparable durability?

Antigravity followed by an area attack would probably be Surfer's simplest strategy here.

Flash can absorb plenty of stuff actually.

Didn't he once absorb the kinetic energy of an entire planet or something like that? I'm sure ror has it in his respect thread

Flash has shown to be weak to telepathic attacks though, Surfer could get 10 easy wins like that.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^lol hell no.

You don't know what the hell your talking about. I've seen him do it before.

Surfer has hit a phased opponent before in Vision.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
You don't know what the hell your talking about. I've seen him do it before.

I don't doubt he can absorb energy, but has he ever absorbed something with the level of power which the Surfer contains?

Surfer wins with supreme ease.
1 minute battle at best.

Surfer wins

SS ftw

Surfer for the win

RIP Flash.

Surfer takes this 100/10.

I don't doubt Surfer would take a majority, but I highly doubt that it would be a solid wash. Stressing on highly.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I don't doubt Surfer would take a majority, but I highly doubt that it would be a solid wash. Stressing on highly.

Flash: Speedster - the greatest.

Surfer: Matter manipulation, highly destructive plasma beams, cosmic speed amping abilities, self sustenance, regen, endurance, body armor, self regen, life detection, Phasing, SS can see beyond a light year away+cosmic awareness....too much.

I love Flash, but SS just has too many potential ways to take out Wally to mention here.

You don't know anything about the flash :/

Originally posted by llagrok
You don't know anything about the flash :/

hmmm....
I know Flash could be shot and killed by a random bullet from a street thug while eating his lunch at Mcdonalds...

Flash's current awareness of danger and decision making is all that protects his life. both of which are microscopic in comparison to SS's.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wally heals those crazy lethal injuries over and over, Norrin has decent regeneration as well, but nothing on par with Wally.

Surfer could probably take off in one direction while getting up a forceshield or something, which SHOULD stop Flash in theory. But I'm not sure if Surfer has a past of thinking at high speeds.



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Originally posted by darthgoober


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5174/silversurfer198902418te5.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4607/silversurfer198902419zi3.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5436/silversurfer198902420ty6.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4053/silversurfer198902422uk4.jpg So, not only is he fast enough to track and catch energy signals in an enclosed space while near unconsciousness, he can heal himself from being sliced in multiple pieces. Impressive, Darthgoober. Most impressive!

Originally posted by nimbus006
He's was built to think at high speeds in order to travel through space and time, and find energy sources for his master.

It's not possible to travel that fast without having the ability of rapid thought process.

How do you think he can scan the Earth in seconds to locate someone?

Cosmic awareness.

Why couldn't Flash just steal his speed?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Cosmic awareness.

He physically searched the earth?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Why couldn't Flash just steal his speed?

I think he can.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Why couldn't Flash just steal his speed?

Why couldn't Flash mindrape him?

Originally posted by darthgoober


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Well, if you let yourself get sliced up like that

Originally posted by Mindset
Why couldn't Flash mindrape him?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Cosmic awareness.

No, he actually physically scanned the Earth in a matter of seconds.

I have the scan courtesy of Darthgoober if you would like to see it. (Although I really don't feel like looking for it)

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer wins with supreme ease.
1 minute battle at best.

Hardly

Originally posted by llagrok
Well, if you let yourself get sliced up like that True, though Wally would not have survived a similar encounter at all. Cut off from the Speed Force, Wally would be dead if he were bissected.

This also seems to lend credence to the idea that Surfer's durability is more than just cosmic skin. His insides don't seem to be particularly human in the above portrayal (much like his portrayals in Annihilation).

Originally posted by Acrosurge
True, though Wally would not have survived a similar encounter at all. Cut off from the Speed Force, Wally would be dead if he were bissected.

This also seems to lend credence to the idea that Surfer's durability is more than just cosmic skin. His insides don't seem to be particularly human in the above portrayal (much like his portrayals in Annihilation).

Well he's not human.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Well he's not human. True, though it seems popular with some to portray him as if he were a human-equivalent covered in cosmic tinfoil (yes McDuffie, I'm glaring at you!). The truth is that Galactus transformed Norrin's insides just as he did his outside.

Originally posted by The Pict
Hardly
you're right, realistically speaking we're talking seconds.

Surfer obliterates Flash with a PC blast or matter manipulates him or levitates him to the sun...

Surfer cannot possibly lose this, and indeed because of the speed at which Flash will be operating, the fight will end really really really fast.

Surfer's as fast as, if not faster than, Flash, he's infinitely more durable and has stupendous versatility. what in heavens could Flash, realistically, do to even inconvenience Surfer slightly?

Flash could kill him in a second :/

Originally posted by llagrok
Flash could kill him in a second :/ How? Surfer won't react as a statue.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
How? Surfer won't react as a statue.

Who says Wally allows Surfer to move?

We've yet to see Surfer do any fast telepathy, which means that Flash can steal his speed and lay a quick hundred IMPs on him. The end.

Originally posted by llagrok
Who says Wally allows Surfer to move?

We've yet to see Surfer do any fast telepathy, which means that Flash can steal his speed and lay a quick hundred IMPs on him. The end. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/17.jpg
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Originally posted by nimbus006
No, he actually physically scanned the Earth in a matter of seconds.

I have the scan courtesy of Darthgoober if you would like to see it. (Although I really don't feel like looking for it)

What I'm saying is that perhaps his cosmic awareness guided him, or at least gave him the information he needed. It is a lot more practical than searching the entire earth. I haven't seen the scasn in a while, actually I would like to see it again. iirc, he was just gone and then back again. It was never shown on panel what he did. Just implied.

who says an imp will even do anything to surfer?
does anyone have a scan of this punch?

Originally posted by Mindset
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/17.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/18.jpg

Yeah?

Why would Flash use an IMP on Grodd? Does Wally kill?

Originally posted by llagrok
Yeah?

Why would Flash use an IMP on Grodd? Does Wally kill?

Yeah?

Why would Flash use an IMP on SS? Does Wally kill?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why couldn't Flash mindrape him?

It is well within Flash's abilities to steal surfers speed. iirc, he has stolen the kinetic energy of an entire planet before. If he did that to surfer, it would just take one imp, and there would be nothing that surfer could do about it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yeah?

Why would Flash use an IMP on SS? Does Wally kill?

An IMP would kill SS?

Now who's overestimating Flash?

Originally posted by llagrok
An IMP would kill SS?

Now who's overestimating Flash?

Flash knows the level of SS durability?

Originally posted by Mindset
Flash knows the level of SS durability?

Of course he does.

They get basic knowledge of each-others powers.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yeah?

Why would Flash use an IMP on SS? Does Wally kill?

I doubt an imp would kill surfer.

Originally posted by llagrok
Of course he does.

They get basic knowledge of each-others powers.

Oh, I didn't know basic knowledge would cover that. In that case SS mindrapes him as soon as the fight starts.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I doubt an imp would kill surfer.

The point I was making was Flash wouldn't know that, but apparently basic knowledge of SS would let him know.

Originally posted by Mindset
Oh, I didn't know basic knowledge would cover that. In that case SS mindrapes him as soon as the fight starts.

Flash moves way faster than that :/

Read up.

Originally posted by llagrok
Flash moves way faster than that :/

Read up.

"I move faster than light, but a hell of a slot slower than thought."

His words, not mine.

Originally posted by Mindset
"I move faster than light, but a hell of a slot slower than thought."

His words, not mine.

Feats say otherwise.

Originally posted by llagrok
Feats say otherwise.

Not that one.

Do you have another feat where he beat a telepath after they saw him before they could do anything?

Originally posted by Mindset
Not that one.

Do you have another feat where he beat a telepath after they saw him before they could do anything?

Nope.

There are plenty of scans of him moving vast distances before people can think, or others would have time to formulate a thought. But hey, he didn't kill Gorilla Grodd, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Ignore.

Originally posted by llagrok
Nope.

There are plenty of scans of him moving vast distances before people can think, or others would have time to formulate a thought. But hey, he didn't kill Gorilla Grodd, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Ignore.

Ok, let me put it this way.

Has he ever faced a character who was able to move and react at lightspeed or superluminal speeds and also had telepathy, has he ever shown the ability to speed blitz someone like that?

Holding back and not killing Grodd doesn't really matter, SS is both vastly faster and more durable than Grodd, I was focusing on Grodd's telepathy.

But you seem to think Flash can steal SS' speed, give him an imp before SS can use telepathy...

lol,
Flash hasn't a chance at all.

Surfer covers half the universe in seconds or less, can think and process information at those speeds - map star systems, analyse and make note of changes etc without missing a beat - Flash literally can not do a thing at all.

Originally posted by Sirius77
What I'm saying is that perhaps his cosmic awareness guided him, or at least gave him the information he needed. It is a lot more practical than searching the entire earth. I haven't seen the scasn in a while, actually I would like to see it again. iirc, he was just gone and then back again. It was never shown on panel what he did. Just implied.

From the SS respect thread:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...nual0508tc4.jpg

It isn't explicitly stated that he physically searched the earth, but I think that it's an ambiguous feat either way. Doesn't mean that it isn't a very good one though.

Scan doesnt work. And he searched off panel. We don't know what he did, but the fact that he has cosmic awareness highly implies that he didnt have to physically search it. Either way, it's off panel, so no one can say for sure.

Originally posted by llagrok
Who says Wally allows Surfer to move?

We've yet to see Surfer do any fast telepathy, which means that Flash can steal his speed and lay a quick hundred IMPs on him. The end.
Who says Wally can keep him from moving? Hasn't Wally had issues with stealing Superman's speed before?

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, let me put it this way.

Has he ever faced a character who was able to move and react at lightspeed or superluminal speeds and also had telepathy, has he ever shown the ability to speed blitz someone like that?

Holding back and not killing Grodd doesn't really matter, SS is both vastly faster and more durable than Grodd, I was focusing on Grodd's telepathy.

But you seem to think Flash can steal SS' speed, give him an imp before SS can use telepathy...

I'd like an answer for this as well.

To say Surfer would be able to handle Flash's speed is ridiculous, especially considering Surfer's few and ambiguous 'speed feats'.

"few speed feats"?
lol

no, it's not a question of handling Flash's speed, he obviously would, but of exceeding him. Surfer's speed feats are there everytime he crosses the universe for Galactus, say tracking T&A across the universe, or say when he went into the past or when he mocked Deathurge.

there's nothing Flash can do to out-speed Surfer.

Originally posted by janus77
tracking T&A across the universe

A lot of guys would do that anyway.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A lot of guys would do that anyway.
could?
quite a few herald level characters could do that, many of the Heralds of Galactus definitely could. but it still doesn't change the fact that Surfer can and regularly does travel at many hundreds/thousands/millions of times the speed of light.

to doubt that Surfer has the speed to neutralise Flash's speed is just to irrationally undermine and deny a character's powerset.

Originally posted by janus77
could?
quite a few herald level characters could do that, many of the Heralds of Galactus definitely could. but it still doesn't change the fact that Surfer can and regularly does travel at many hundreds/thousands/millions of times the speed of light.

to doubt that Surfer has the speed to neutralise Flash's speed is just to irrationally undermine and deny a character's powerset.

1) I was making a joke about another meaning of T&A
2) straight line travel has very little to do with combat and reaction speed

Originally posted by Sirius77
Scan doesnt work. And he searched off panel. We don't know what he did, but the fact that he has cosmic awareness highly implies that he didnt have to physically search it. Either way, it's off panel, so no one can say for sure.

It's in his respect thread.

I've never seen the surfer track sentient lifeforms using his cosmic awareness, and while I cannot logically deny that he may have been using his cosmic senses, it is only logical from my point of view to conclude that the bulk of the search was physical, with his senses probably being used in a radial sense. In any case, it was a great feat regardless of any ambiguity.

Originally posted by janus77
"few speed feats"?
lol

no, it's not a question of handling Flash's speed, he obviously would, but of exceeding him. Surfer's speed feats are there everytime he crosses the universe for Galactus, say tracking T&A across the universe, or say when he went into the past or when he mocked Deathurge. Or the feat Darthgoober already posted in which he caught up to an electronic signal in an enclosed structure while literally in pieces, nearly unconscious, and with his PC drained.

The phrase "few speed feats" in conjunction with the Silver Surfer demonstrates either a lack of subject matter or willful ignorance.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) I was making a joke about another meaning of T&A
2) straight line travel has very little to do with combat and reaction speed
damn, really am getting too engrossed in these debates now. any other day I would have spotted that . true, too.

well, given how Surfer has used superspeed against Deathurge, against entire armadas, it's established that he has no problem with it in combat either.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Or the feat Darthgoober already posted in which he caught up to an electronic signal in an enclosed area while literally in pieces, nearly unconscious, and with his PC drained.

The phrase "few speed feats" in conjunction with the Silver Surfer demonstrates either a lack of subject matter or willful ignorance.
true.

Originally posted by janus77
damn, really am getting too engrossed in these debates now. any other day I would have spotted that . true, too.

well, given how Surfer has used superspeed against Deathurge, against entire armadas, it's established that he has no problem with it in combat either. But people want to see his fists blurring around an opponent with after images. Only then (maybe), will they concede that the Surfer could possibly have functional battle speed.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
But people want to see his fists blurring around an opponent with after images. Only then (maybe), will they concede that the Surfer could possibly have functional battle speed.
ah, well I don't recall anyone in Marvel really doing that. they don't go in for that, it seems to me.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
To say Surfer would be able to handle Flash's speed is ridiculous, especially considering Surfer's few and ambiguous 'speed feats'.

That isn't a fair comparison is it? All speed feats that are not explicitly numbered or scaled on-panel are already ambiguous by default. As for number of feats, correct me if I am mistaken, but Wally has more appearances, no?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Or the feat Darthgoober already posted in which he caught up to an electronic signal in an enclosed structure while literally in pieces, nearly unconscious, and with his PC drained.

The phrase "few speed feats" in conjunction with the Silver Surfer demonstrates either a lack of subject matter or willful ignorance.

It's pretty unimpressive that he almost let himself be killed like that :/

Originally posted by Acrosurge
But people want to see his fists blurring around an opponent with after images. Only then (maybe), will they concede that the Surfer could possibly have functional battle speed.

Being in a dozen places at once using nothing but speed would suffice.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Being in a dozen places at once using nothing but speed would suffice.
isn't that what he did against the Armada?

And the teeth of angry Surfer fanboys ripped into SC's very flesh....

Originally posted by Ouallada
It's in his respect thread.

I've never seen the surfer track sentient lifeforms using his cosmic awareness, and while I cannot logically deny that he may have been using his cosmic senses, it is only logical from my point of view to conclude that the bulk of the search was physical, with his senses probably being used in a radial sense. In any case, it was a great feat regardless of any ambiguity.

I don't doubt that it was a great feat.

Originally posted by llagrok
And the teeth of angry Surfer fanboys ripped into SC's very flesh....
whilst you just nibbled on said fanboy's bum?

Originally posted by llagrok
It's pretty unimpressive that he almost let himself be killed like that :/
This is an argument, how? Few other characters would have survived in that situation, deprived of their power source. Wally, separated from the Speed Force, would have been killed by the first beam attack.

Really, how much better does it get when Surfer fanboys and Flash fanboys go at each other?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
But people want to see his fists blurring around an opponent with after images. Only then (maybe), will they concede that the Surfer could possibly have functional battle speed. A reasonable request but likely not gonna happen. It's just not "Silver Surfery," even though it is logically well within his powerset. This kind of fighting style is simple not what SS does. We wanna see beams and matter transformation; leave the flailing fisticuffs to the likes of Superman because that's what Supes does.

But just for the satisfaction, I wouldn't mind seeing those after images myself.

eat

Originally posted by janus77
isn't that what he did against the Armada?

I think he did that against the Ergons.

surfer.

smh @ this thread...

Originally posted by Acrosurge

This is an argument, how? Few other characters would have survived in that situation, deprived of their power source. Wally, separated from the Speed Force, would have been killed by the first beam attack.

Really, how much better does it get when Surfer fanboys and Flash fanboys go at each other?

Without the Power Cosmic, Norrin isn't capable of doing anything either. What kind of argument is THAT?

If the Surfer is supposed to be so fast, he wouldn't allow himself to be sliced up to the point where he's near death.

Originally posted by llagrok
Without the Power Cosmic, Norrin isn't capable of doing anything either. What kind of argument is THAT?

If the Surfer is supposed to be so fast, he wouldn't allow himself to be sliced up to the point where he's near death. Surfer was being drained of his Power Cosmic. That's why he was hit in the first place. If Wally had his connection to the Speed Force siphoned off, he would have been hit too and would have died as a result.

Originally posted by llagrok
It's pretty unimpressive that he almost let himself be killed like that :/ Since Flash could not have survived similar circumstances, I'd say it is pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Since Flash could not have survived similar circumstances, I'd say it is pretty impressive.

The point is that Flash wouldn't have been hit.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Surfer was being drained of his Power Cosmic. That's why he was hit in the first place. If Wally had his connection to the Speed Force siphoned off, he would have been hit too and would have died as a result./B]

You don't know that.

And "siphoned his connection to the speed force"? please

Originally posted by llagrok
The point is that Flash wouldn't have been hit.Speculation. The structure drained the Surfer's energy and Motherboard 49.7 Central sapped the Surfer's will. Somehow, Flash could avoid the same thing?

Deprived of his energy and will, how would Flash have survived a being cut into pieces?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Speculation. The structure drained the Surfer's energy and Motherboard 49.7 Central sapped the Surfer's will. Somehow, Flash could avoid the same thing? As I said, speculation.

No more speculation that Flash would have been hit :/

But fortunately, Wally has far more and far better speed feats than Surfer. Naturally, he has far better chances at dodging the lasers.

ok, heres a question, how wil flash significantly damage surfer?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok, heres a question, how wil flash significantly damage surfer?

Imp

Originally posted by llagrok
No more speculation that Flash would have been hit :/

But fortunately, Wally has far more and far better speed feats than Surfer. Naturally, he has far better chances at dodging the lasers. While being drained of energy and under a mind assault?

surfer took hulk punches, with all the stuff hulk has done with a single punch, it is safe to say those are arguably stronger or on par with imps.

-oneshotting the crimson bands
-busting onslught's physical form
-oneshotting the double earth size asteroid
-oneshotted a massive ship thor couldn't scratch

etc.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer took hulk punches, with all the stuff hulk has done with a single punch, it is safe to say those are arguably stronger or on par with imps.

-oneshotting the crimson bands
-busting onslught's physical form
-oneshotting the double earth size asteroid
-oneshotted a massive ship thor couldn't scratch

etc.

Wow, fanboy much?

The x-men ruined Onslaught's physical form, Thor did it :/

You're completely ignoring all the context, a typical trait for Hulk fanboys. You also seems to be trying some kind of ridiculous ABC logic, which is equally hilarious. The sweet part is ignoring the fact that Flash's single IMP knocked out a Superman-lite, and he could've fired off hundreds.

Originally posted by llagrok
The point is that Flash wouldn't have been hit.

I'm willing to bet that I can find hundreds of examples of Flash getting hit by things and people...

Hell how do you know Flash has regenerative abilities? Didn't he get hit and then heal the damage?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm willing to bet that I can find hundreds of examples of Flash getting hit by things and people...

Hell how do you know Flash has regenerative abilities? Didn't he get hit and then heal the damage?

Yea he let himself get hit.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wow, fanboy much?

The x-men ruined Onslaught's physical form, Thor did it :/

You're completely ignoring all the context, a typical trait for Hulk fanboys. You also seems to be trying some kind of ridiculous ABC logic, which is equally hilarious. The sweet part is ignoring the fact that Flash's single IMP knocked out a Superman-lite, and he could've fired off hundreds. the x-men did jack, which is almost as much as effective as labeling someone a fanboy when hulk actually did all that stuff with ease (like it or not), knocking out a "superman-lite" isn't out of hulk's power.

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but as usual, pro-dc types lower marvel characters to one trait the dc character accel at, in this case speed.

surfer can not only match his speed but in addition to that his power and control over it is far too much for the flash.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the x-men did jack, which is almost as much as effective as labeling someone a fanboy when hulk actually did all that stuff with ease (like it or not), knocking out a "superman-lite" isn't out of hulk's power.

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but as usual, pro-dc types lower marvel characters to one trait the dc character accel at, in this case speed.

surfer can not only match his speed but in addition to that his power and control over it is far too much for the flash.

Excluding point to point travel I can't think of anything Surfer has done that Flash can't beat. As for control over his speed, technically Wally has more control of Surfer's speed than Surfer does.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the x-men did jack, which is almost as much as effective as labeling someone a fanboy when hulk actually did all that stuff with ease (like it or not), knocking out a "superman-lite" isn't out of hulk's power.

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but as usual, pro-dc types lower marvel characters to one trait the dc character accel at, in this case speed.

surfer can not only match his speed but in addition to that his power and control over it is far too much for the flash.
But Wally is the greatest Flash (he master the "speed force". The only one who was able to reach and secceed light speed, and not get sucked into the "speed force". Wally has great control over his powers.

Bart Allen is the greatest Flash, he was the embodiment of the speed force.

And he's gonna come back as a Black Lantern, JUST YOU WAIT!

sure but the only way the flash would even be able to strike norrin is if he was on or near the ground, when going into battle the silver surfer is usually on his board in the sky.

and he usually answers a physical confrontation with a cosmic omni-burst that throws his opponents off him violently.

i'm just saying the flashes speed isn't the end all to all his potential opponents, especially the likes of the silver surfer. his cosmically attuned brain is meant for trans-light travel/movement and his body can withstand the friction of ftl speeds (no speed force). he just doesn't move that fast on earth because it damages the environment on a global scale.

Originally posted by llagrok
We've yet to see Surfer do any fast telepathy, which means that Flash can steal his speed and lay a quick hundred IMPs on him. The end.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6558/silversurferannual0226lof6.jpg

He was able to do this with Nova as well and both where having telepathic conversation from opposite sides of the Universe..

It seems that surfer can use hyperspace for telepathic use.. Pair that with his cosmic awareness, pico-second mind process/reaction/reflex, i think it is within his ability to hit Flash with FTL (via hyperspace) telepathic assault... Its a stretch but ehhh... his got the tools..

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
To say Surfer would be able to handle Flash's speed is ridiculous, especially considering Surfer's few and ambiguous 'speed feats'.

I'm still waiting for some counter-arguments, prefferably from someone who's not on ignore.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm willing to bet that I can find hundreds of examples of Flash getting hit by things and people...

Hell how do you know Flash has regenerative abilities? Didn't he get hit and then heal the damage?

Hit by other speedsters 131

Flash doesn't try his best in non-lethal situations.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
But Wally is the greatest Flash (he master the "speed force". The only one who was able to reach and secceed light speed, and not get sucked into the "speed force". Wally has great control over his powers.

Barry Allen :/

Originally posted by Roldz
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6558/silversurferannual0226lof6.jpg

He was able to do this with Nova as well and both where having telepathic conversation from opposite sides of the Universe..

It seems that surfer can use hyperspace for telepathic use.. Pair that with his cosmic awareness, pico-second mind process/reaction/reflex, i think it is within his ability to hit Flash with FTL (via hyperspace) telepathic assault... Its a stretch but ehhh... his got the tools..

It's a big stretch.....

Which is what most of the Surfer fanboys seem to be doing. Not that telepathically communicating is the same as attackign someone. That's why Loki is >>> Surfer

I think that Surfer's non-travel feats are all ambiguous. Almost the same thing can be said of Superman, Diana or Thor. Obviously the person with best "speed only feats" is Flash.

The same can NOT be said about Superman.

Thor is also a world class ditchdigger

I was sure someone would argue that Superman has speed combat feats, but even those -into the numerous appearances of the characters- are far and between.

Complete speed feats are far in between when it comes to classic characters, thats a fact. Only feat oriented characters such as the Majestic have them in spades.

Originally posted by Bentley
I was sure someone would argue that Superman has speed combat feats, but even those -into the numerous appearances of the characters- are far and between.

Complete speed feats are far in between when it comes to classic characters, thats a fact. Only feat oriented characters such as the Majestic have them in spades.

I think that's more the case with Thor than it is with Superman.

It is the case for most people with less showings than Supes, including Thor. The fact that speed feats are far in between allows to question their validity, you can make an argument that says Thor has not a high level high speed for the fact that in history, most of the showings have been somewhat vague.

Point to case, Wonderwoman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter and many other established characters with known super speed, have almost no feats.

Superman has an abundance of super speed feats.

Both in and out of combat.

He also has more feats than any other character in the comic world. I'm glad he has speed feats, super speed is in his power set.

This is not a Superman thread though, if you want to talk about the amount of feats he has, there are threads devoted to that -versus Silver Surfer and Flash surely talk about it-.

Originally posted by Bentley
He also has more feats than any other character in the comic world.

False. Superman as we know him today only has feats back to 1986, thus making him have far fewer feats than the more 'classic' characters.

Originally posted by Soljer
False. Superman as we know him today only has feats back to 1986, thus making him have far fewer feats than the more 'classic' characters.

Come on, say that during that time he has more speed feats that everyone I mentioned, put the last nail in my coffin!

Flash is NOT koing the surfer with one IMP especially not current surfer. The surfer is easily the most durable top tier in comics and is not getting koed so easily. I would easily comparre a flash infinite mass punch to an angry hulk punch and the surfer has taken multiple of those punches with no harm being done. All SS needs to do is startt flying and this fights over.

Originally posted by Soljer
False. Superman as we know him today only has feats back to 1986, thus making him have far fewer feats than the more 'classic' characters. Untrue, his history goes back into the pre-crisis. You'll notice for example -- a recent action comics issue, mentions Superman and Batman fighting Mordru back in JLA 148, a comic from the 70s.

Originally posted by llagrok
Hit by other speedsters 131

Flash doesn't try his best in non-lethal situations.

Isn't Flash getting tagged with energy attacks here in the scans featuring his regeneration...

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel2.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel3.jpg

And aren't energy attacks what Surfer's getting tagged with in the scans I posted earlier?

surfer can travel at 1 billion km/hour, can wally?

Originally posted by Terryc250
surfer can travel at 1 billion km/hour, can wally?

Flash can do better actually. He still loses though

Originally posted by Terryc250
surfer can travel at 1 billion km/hour, can wally? If my calc's are correct, that's slightly less than lightspeed. Both can do way better. I forget the scan, but I calculated from Surfer's feat that he was moving at over 300 million x lightspeed (I believe he was covering at least 1 lightyear in no more than 1/10 of a second). At the very least, to cover a lightyear/sec, that's 32 million cee.