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Really, After killing younglings and many Jedi as a darkside person, Could he really be saved? Its like, all he had to do is kill the emperor in ROTJ, then hes automatically saved and forgaved once Luke was saved.
If Vader didn't turn to the goodside, he would have died anyway along with Luke because the Rebels would have bloewn up the Death Star anyway.
My thoughts are, you can go ahead and be the most evil dude in the world and cause harm for thousands of people, but all it takes is a simple forgiveness (Kill a Palpatine) before you die to redeem yourself for the afterlife.

thats not it at all. The jedi believe that noone is unredemable, and therefore, anyone who turns to the lightside are on the lightside. That simple.

the entire point is that anakin brought balance to the force.... the jedi thought that meant he would go on and immediately kill all the sith.
He did that eventually; but the rest is unclear: perhaps there needed to be an equal amount of jedi & sith (OB1-Yoda vs Vader-Palpatine, after OB1 died Luke took over; so a more litteral balance in the force and thus the death of younglins was necessary) OR he just had to kill the sith, but failed at first but stil did it in the end. Basicly, bringing balance to the force is still one of the "best things to do" but as you see in the end of Return of the Jedi: they replaced Anakin with the new one (Hayden Christensen) because it is said by yoda that once you go down the dark side, "forever will it dominate you".

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Really, After killing younglings and many Jedi as a darkside person, Could he really be saved? Its like, all he had to do is kill the emperor in ROTJ, then hes automatically saved and forgaved once Luke was saved.
If Vader didn't turn to the goodside, he would have died anyway along with Luke because the Rebels would have bloewn up the Death Star anyway.
My thoughts are, you can go ahead and be the most evil dude in the world and cause harm for thousands of people, but all it takes is a simple forgiveness (Kill a Palpatine) before you die to redeem yourself for the afterlife.

Well you can't do all of the bad stuff always knowing you will redeem yourself one day. I think Lucas borrowed this bit from Christianity. No matter how bad you are, if you truly become saved you are okay.

lucas showed anakin as good guy in the last episode...so hes redeemed in georgies eyes...guess thats that...lol

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Really, After killing younglings and many Jedi as a darkside person, Could he really be saved? Its like, all he had to do is kill the emperor in ROTJ, then hes automatically saved and forgaved once Luke was saved.
If Vader didn't turn to the goodside, he would have died anyway along with Luke because the Rebels would have bloewn up the Death Star anyway.
My thoughts are, you can go ahead and be the most evil dude in the world and cause harm for thousands of people, but all it takes is a simple forgiveness (Kill a Palpatine) before you die to redeem yourself for the afterlife. I think you're confusing "redemption " with "forgiveness." You can truly repent your actions, the question is will others forgive you for them.

And it's been argued that the only reason the Rebels broke through the defences at the DS were because Palp's mental willpower over his men dropped after Anakin hucked him over the railing.

Palps mental power over his men?....nah....he used other means to control "his men" political means...he used big guns...lol

Burp

gazoonheit......or is that just fer sneezes...lol

Your call, mate.

Anakin was redeemed in ROTJ.

If you can seek forgiveness,why couldn't you be saved?

If you're forgiven for your sins, then that generally means you've been redeemed (cause otherwise you'd simply keep sinning). But it is possible to be redeemed and not have others forgive you for your past actions.

Anakin was redeemed by sacrificing himself, but Leia still didn't forgive him for blowing up Alderaan, torturing Han etc.

Luke seemed to forgive him.

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
Palps mental power over his men?....nah....he used other means to control "his men" political means...he used big guns...lol

It has been stated in the novels that Palpatine used battle meditation to improve his soldiers' abilities in combat. When he died, his troops efficiancy immediately plummetted. Thrawn comments that they were fighting like cadets.

What novels?

I think the major point is that "the force" "forgave" him. And he found back to the light side.

Bardock!

Originally posted by queeq
What novels?

The Return of the Jedi novelization confirms that Palpatine's death wasn't just an issue of morale; his death threw the Force into this state of flux and the dominating mental power he had over the Imperial Fleet and Armies was gone, and that sudden loss caused them to get curbstomped in a fight they, technically, still should have won.

Grand Admiral Thrawn confirms it later in Heir to the Empire.

Originally posted by queeq
Luke seemed to forgive him. Well he was always a sap for family moments.

True. but still

Originally posted by Gideon
The Return of the Jedi novelization confirms that Palpatine's death wasn't just an issue of morale; his death threw the Force into this state of flux and the dominating mental power he had over the Imperial Fleet and Armies was gone, and that sudden loss caused them to get curbstomped in a fight they, technically, still should have won.

Grand Admiral Thrawn confirms it later in Heir to the Empire.

Good point, but Heir to the Empire is EU.

Originally posted by Gideon
The Return of the Jedi novelization confirms that Palpatine's death wasn't just an issue of morale; his death threw the Force into this state of flux and the dominating mental power he had over the Imperial Fleet and Armies was gone, and that sudden loss caused them to get curbstomped in a fight they, technically, still should have won.

Grand Admiral Thrawn confirms it later in Heir to the Empire.

Didn't the rebels(Ewoks) have the imperials finished on Endor before Palpatine started throwing lightning at Luke? meaning no loss of mental power (If there was any) unless he was distracted by the initial Luke vs Vader Fight.

The movie made it that, as soon as the planet shield got destroyed on Endor, it was time for the good guys to win....

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Didn't the rebels(Ewoks) have the imperials finished on Endor before Palpatine started throwing lightning at Luke? meaning no loss of mental power (If there was any) unless he was distracted by the initial Luke vs Vader Fight.

The movie made it that, as soon as the planet shield got destroyed on Endor, it was time for the good guys to win.... Yup, but that little gem is put down to the Imperials being surprised and outnumbered by the Ewoks. The mind control part is brought in to explain why the Imperial fleet lost their nerve and ran afterwards, and why the Executor was able to get destroyed.

Honestly, if Lucas had just made the Ewoks ferocious monsters, then the Emperor's "best troops" being overrun would be a little bit more believable.

True. We all agree on that.

Im tellin ya guys the ewoks are cousins of wookies...they tear off arms if they lose in chess! So they can be ferocious! Dont underestimate the power of the wookie/ewok...lol

Arms of spiders?

spiders, storm troopers, jedi, sith, oh and droids, except the ones that serve beer!

Ewoks (pedo bears) have used beer for years to solicit young children into their tree houses.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1534/caption3361xu3.jpg

We have to stop this...

thats micheal jackson in a thriller ewok suit

I m pretty sure palpatine's first death has affected his troops and if he is not killed by Anakin and the second death star were to be exploded,palpatine could have escaped.

Originally posted by sorokseem
I m pretty sure palpatine's first death has affected his troops and if he is not killed by Anakin and the second death star were to be exploded,palpatine could have escaped. Cuz you know, Palpatine can teleport.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Cuz you know, Palpatine can teleport.

Dis is Eu area, plz proov ur point.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Honestly, if Lucas had just made the Ewoks ferocious monsters, then the Emperor's "best troops" being overrun would be a little bit more believable.

Yes, but the Empire losing to the Ewoks and rebels, was a nod to Vietnam and the army with lower technology (Vietcong) defeating the technological giant (USA).

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Yes, but the Empire losing to the Ewoks and rebels, was a nod to Vietnam and the army with lower technology (Vietcong) defeating the technological giant (USA). Yeah, I've read that. Still though, doesn't explain how those teddy bears overpowered "the best troops." If Palpatine had said "I have an entire legion of mediocre troops to protect it," then I'd be sold.

dude they all got wasted before the battle cause they underestimated the power of chewie and the ewoks who are cousins by the way..lol..!..thats why they all fought like dummies..lol

Imperials never learned to use "protection men" for their tank... ehm. Walkers

Just a bunch of people running next to the things and preventing things such as Lukes rope trick in Hoth from happening.

They could have even shot Chewie dwon from the At-st.

Guess the Imperial R&D was not that bright afterall.

Some mercy here... With GPRS technology, 15 minutes is a short time... Try figuring out what "dwon" means.

This is discrimination.
Just because I happen to be born with small connection, that does not just

Originally posted by Tangible God
Cuz you know, Palpatine can teleport.
No coz he can escape using a spacecraft or whatever,and btw Empire should have won if he wasn't killed anyway.

Originally posted by sorokseem
No coz he can escape using a spacecraft or whatever,and btw Empire should have won if he wasn't killed anyway. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... didn't. Hush now wee one.

The Empire was a very old man he really had no options after Vader threw his sorry self down that shaft...and don't forget the part when something in the shaft freaks out...I think our Palpy is dead people.

beer

Errrrr....

Originally posted by queeq
Errrrr....

This is random but is it true that in Europe people pay for Internet like according to how much they use the Internet and not monthly?

Where the hell do you get these facts?

Our only problem in finland are those bloody polar bears that every once in a while end up wandering the streets of Helsinki(DC).


Broadband is broadband. Even if you are a native american, you will pay only for a monthly amount. How else do you think we were able to download mov... Move our download folders all day long?

Originally posted by Sesse
Where the hell do you get these facts?

Our only problem in finland are those bloody polar bears that every once in a while end up wandering the streets of Helsinki(DC).


Broadband is broadband. Even if you are a native american, you will pay only for a monthly amount. How else do you think we were able to download mov... Move our download folders all day long?

You don't have to be an as*hole. That's why I was asking. Some friend told me about it. Maybe it is only so for certain parts of Europe, who knows...I don't even know why I care.

Originally posted by sweersa
You don't have to be an as*hole. That's why I was asking. Some friend told me about it. Maybe it is only so for certain parts of Europe, who knows...I don't even know why I care.

You must be an American, lol.

Originally posted by sweersa
You don't have to be an as*hole. That's why I was asking. Some friend told me about it. Maybe it is only so for certain parts of Europe, who knows...I don't even know why I care.

Who is being an *******?


Now you have another friend, who told you about our polar bear problem, while correcting your view of our internet policy. We aren't too proud of having those critters around, but we manage.

Its not fun being forced to carry a shotgun loaded with rifle-slugs every time you wish to take a walk. Those things are unpredictable. Bears, mind you.

Originally posted by Sesse
Who is being an *******?


Now you have another friend, who told you about our polar bear problem, while correcting your view of our internet policy. We aren't too proud of having those critters around, but we manage.

Its not fun being forced to carry a shotgun loaded with rifle-slugs every time you wish to take a walk. Those things are unpredictable. Bears, mind you.

Well starting a sentence with "Where the hell..." isn't exactly a friendly notion or polite.

Anyways, my uncle and some friends went hunting in Canada once, the guy that owns this cabin keeps this shotgun always in the cabin ready in case of grizzly bears (related to polar bears but I believe they are not as aggressive as polar bears) He said he kept the shot gun loaded with both slugs and buck shot (I think he had buckshot in there also for close quarters spread or something)

Have you ever encountered a Polar Bear? We have a few Black Bears where I live, but usually more north, they are pretty safe and fear humans and rarely ever attack, but they can and it happens.

My dad saw a mountain lion on our property twice, that is extremely rare in Michigan and many people never even believe him. Various accounts of seeing the same thing occurred but our nature authorities try to cover it up to prevent fear. (Typical of anything of the US Government, save money and holding back information)

Do mountain lions also pay for internet by the amount of time used?

Originally posted by queeq
Do mountain lions also pay for internet by the amount of time used?

Hahaha. Not at my house.

At the neighbours then?

Originally posted by queeq
At the neighbours then?

I'll have to ask. I haven't seen them in a while. I just heard a growl after this scary looking thing read his ISP bill and then I heard a bunch of screams then nothing....

They're prolly dead then.

Originally posted by queeq
They're prolly dead then.

They made the switch to at&t too late!

I bet that's it.

Originally posted by queeq
I bet that's it.

Slayed at the hands of Capitalism...

Unavoidable.

beer

Beer is the answer.

ALL HAIL QUEEQ HE HAS THE ANSWER TO LIFE !!!!!!

beer
jr_queeq

Now bow before me.

ummm how about a happy meal instead of bowing..lol?happymeal if they had a smilie for grolsch Id give you that as tribute..lol