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1. Pre Crisis Silver age Level; Juggling Planets, Sneezing away Solar Systems, travelling back in time

2.Allstar Kingdome Come Level; Can probably move planets, invunerble to basically everything including Kryptonite

3. Grant Morisson JLA/Pre Infinite Crisis Level; Could crack the Planet in half, needed help to move the moon invunerable to nukes, but a planet exploding would kill him. Needs to Sundipp to move a planet, or beat Darksied. Vunerable to Kryptonite and magic, generally regarded as more powerful than most other D.C. heroes

4. Typically portrayed level; Can move mountains, can create earth quakes, hurt by Nukes but not killed, Vunerable to Kryptonite and Magic, On par with the likes of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, and probably less powerful than Green Lantern.

5. Dan Jurgens, John Bryne, Birthright level: The same as above but lower.

I prefer level 4

Silver age is fun for the ridiculousness of it all.

I think his current level is fine

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
1. Pre Crisis Silver age Level; Juggling Planets, Sneezing away Solar Systems, travelling back in time

2.Allstar Kingdome Come Level; Can probably move planets, invunerble to basically everything including Kryptonite

3. Grant Morisson JLA/Pre Infinite Crisis Level; Could crack the Planet in half, needed help to move the moon invunerable to nukes, but a planet exploding would kill him. Needs to Sundipp to move a planet, or beat Darksied. Vunerable to Kryptonite and magic, generally regarded as more powerful than most other D.C. heroes

4. Typically portrayed level; Can move mountains, can create earth quakes, hurt by Nukes but not killed, Vunerable to Kryptonite and Magic, On par with the likes of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, and probably less powerful than Green Lantern.

5. Dan Jurgens, John Bryne, Birthright level: The same as above but lower.

I prefer level 4

i dont think all star and KingdomCome supes shoudl be under the same level

KC supes is at supes peak and all star is at power overload due to excess solar absorbtion

PC Supes was fun, I agree.

I am fine with all levels.

the current one is my favourite, that or his pre IC one...

My first exposure to Superman was PreC level. So I'll never forget the first time I saw him flying through space wearing an oxygen mask. I thought, wtf! That's not Superman! And yet, my interest was piqued.

I like PreC because, well, that's Superman as The Icon, the virtually unbeatable champion, larger even than comic-book life.

On the other hand, Level 4 makes for a more interesting character.

my fav supes power level

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
1. Pre Crisis Silver age Level; Juggling Planets, Sneezing away Solar Systems, travelling back in time

2.Allstar Kingdome Come Level; Can probably move planets, invunerble to basically everything including Kryptonite

3. Grant Morisson JLA/Pre Infinite Crisis Level; Could crack the Planet in half, needed help to move the moon invunerable to nukes, but a planet exploding would kill him. Needs to Sundipp to move a planet, or beat Darksied. Vunerable to Kryptonite and magic, generally regarded as more powerful than most other D.C. heroes

4. Typically portrayed level; Can move mountains, can create earth quakes, hurt by Nukes but not killed, Vunerable to Kryptonite and Magic, On par with the likes of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, and probably less powerful than Green Lantern.

5. Dan Jurgens, John Bryne, Birthright level: The same as above but lower.

I prefer level 4

Level 4 is canon, the other's aren't.

I prefer 5. Scientifically explainable.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Level 4 is canon, the other's aren't.

I prefer 5. Scientifically explainable.

Moron.

Originally posted by Soljer
Moron.

WTF Fanboy.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Level 4 is canon, the other's aren't.

I prefer 5. Scientifically explainable.

what the bloody hell...

they're all in comics, they're all canon...

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
WTF Fanboy.

As Paul said; it isn't up to you to decide what is canon and not.

Originally posted by Soljer
As Paul said; it isn't up to you to decide what is canon and not.

It's not up to some writers either.

Jerry Seigel's Superman if you want to go by canon and non-canon.

Who ever portrays Jerry Seigel's Superman, and is ACCURATE, is a canon writer as well.

oh ok, so its only canon if its a weak version of supes that a certain yellow haired rip off can actually have a chance at beating huh?

haha, thats great. only supes at his original powerlevel is accurate. lol. i'll say this about you guru, you're entertaining.

Originally posted by emporerpants
oh ok, so its only canon if its a weak version of supes that a certain yellow haired rip off can actually have a chance at beating huh?

haha, thats great. only supes at his original powerlevel is accurate. lol. i'll say this about you guru, you're entertaining.

It's only canon if it's the original Superman, or the an accurate portrayal of the orginal, not pre-Crisis, not All-Star, not 1 Million, and it's only canon if it's the original Goku, or an accurate portrayal of Goku, not GT Goku, not AF Goku, (An AF Manga was written, and it's just as a ridiculouis portrayal as Pre-Crisis Superman.)

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
It's not up to some writers either.

Jerry Seigel's Superman if you want to go by canon and non-canon.

Who ever portrays Jerry Seigel's Superman, and is ACCURATE, is a canon writer as well.

its canon if its in action comics or superman, and has a big DC label on the front.

just because you dont like it doesnt make it less canon...

sure sure, haha. well, i'll be sure to tell the writers that nothing they do is canon unless they depower superman back to his first appearances, lol. its a good thing that you can decree whats canon and what isn't! tell me, how did you acquire such a power? is it something that i can learn?

Originally posted by Raoul
its canon if its in action comics or superman, and has a big DC label on the front.

just because you dont like it doesnt make it less canon...

Oh, that must mean Crossovers are canon too, in which case, Goku pwns.

Your chosing what's canon and not canon by saying it has to have a DC label, you can't pick and chose.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Oh, that must mean Crossovers are canon too, in which case, Goku pwns.

Your chosing what's canon and not canon by saying it has to have a DC label, you can't pick and chose.

i said action comics and superman are the canon comics.

all star superman is not canon.

understand?

Originally posted by Raoul
i said action comics and superman are the canon comics.

all star superman is not canon.

understand?


You also said, "and has a big DC label on the front." and now your saying Action Comics aren't canon?

Even if you didn't say DC Label your still picking and choosing, I mean Superman in and only in Action Comics, and thats if it doesn't contridict the first, meaning, sneezing away galaxies.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
You also said, "and has a big DC label on the front." and now your saying Action Comics aren't canon?

Even if you didn't say DC Label your still picking and choosing, I mean Superman in and only in Action Comics, and thats if it doesn't contridict the first, meaning, sneezing away galaxies.

action comics HAS a dc label on the front... as does the other canon Superman book, simply titled 'Superman'

i'm not picking and choosing, at all.

dc decides which books are canon and which aren't, i'm just echoing what they say...

Originally posted by Raoul
action comics HAS a dc label on the front... as does the other canon Superman book, simply titled 'Superman'

i'm not picking and choosing, at all.

dc decides which books are canon and which aren't, i'm just echoing what they say... Superman is still>>>>>>>>>DBZ.

Originally posted by Raoul
action comics HAS a dc label on the front... as does the other canon Superman book, simply titled 'Superman'

i'm not picking and choosing, at all.

dc decides which books are canon and which aren't, i'm just echoing what they say...

DC is a company, it has no say over whats canon.

Originally posted by Badabing
Superman is still>>>>>>>>>DBZ.

Superman>Vegetto, really?

I started a Vegetto vs anyone thread, and the majority of votes went to Vegetto.

Vegetto is uber ridiculous, more so than Pre-Crisis Superman, DBZ really got that stupid.

When you have people as strong as Superman, it's hard to write a good story.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
DC is a company, it has no say over whats canon.

LULZ! DC is the ONLY entity with say over what's canon and not.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
DC is a company, it has no say over whats canon.

Originally posted by Soljer
LULZ! DC is the ONLY entity with say over what's canon and not.

srug

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Superman>Vegetto, really?

I started a Vegetto vs anyone thread, and the majority of votes went to Vegetto.

Vegetto is uber ridiculous, more so than Pre-Crisis Superman, DBZ really got that stupid.

When you have people as strong as Superman, it's hard to write a good story.

Let me guess, was this on Yahoo Answers?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Let me guess, was this on Yahoo Answers?




No, funimation.com.

Well anyway the Hulk is physically stronger than Superman because of his size and muscle mass, NOT because of feats.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
No, funimation.com.

Well anyway the Hulk is physically stronger than Superman because of his size and muscle mass, NOT because of feats. lmao.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
When you have people as strong as Superman, it's hard to write a good story.

maybe for you...

not for JMS (Thor, Silver Surfer Requiem), Geoff Johns (Action Comics, Green Lantern & JSA), Kurt Buseik (Superman), and many others...

Originally posted by Raoul
maybe for you...

not for JMS (Thor, Silver Surfer Requiem), Geoff Johns (Action Comics, Green Lantern & JSA), Kurt Buseik (Superman), and many others...



Superman isn't being as retarded in those comics.

Guys, I hate uber unrealistic Superman, sorry.

A little unfeasible, but not stupid.

Those writers are kindagardners.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Superman isn't being as retarded in those comics.

Guys, I hate uber unrealistic Superman, sorry.

A little unfeasible, but not stupid.

Those writers are kindagardners.

those are the current superman comics... if superman isnt retarded in those, then he isn't retarded.

i love pc supes hes just so fun to talk about.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
It's not up to some writers either.

Jerry Seigel's Superman if you want to go by canon and non-canon.

Who ever portrays Jerry Seigel's Superman, and is ACCURATE, is a canon writer as well.

But what if Jerry Siegel wrote Superman comics where can move planets, and survive supernovas? Then would those comics be cannon?

I mean, what if Jerry Siegel wrote these comics? Would you consider them cannon then?

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/superman_1.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/sm-656-020-1.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/Superman8.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/SupermanBatman.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/Adventures_of_Superman_647_2006_Las.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/08.jpg

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
When you have people as strong as Superman, it's hard to write a good story.

Finally! Now I know why The Sandman sucks so much, it's because the title character, and most of the supporting cast are more powerful than Superman.

Originally posted by Rorschach
But what if Jerry Siegel wrote Superman comics where can move planets, and survive supernovas? Then would those comics be cannon?

I mean, what if Jerry Siegel wrote these comics? Would you consider them cannon then?

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/superman_1.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/sm-656-020-1.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/Superman8.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/SupermanBatman.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/Adventures_of_Superman_647_2006_Las.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/08.jpg



Finally! Now I know why The Sandman sucks so much, it's because the title character, and most of the supporting cast are more powerful than Superman.


Well the first Superman loses to Goku in the Raditz saga in a curbstomp.

Pre-Crisis doesn't really get beat by any DBZ character.

Post-Crisis might win against Vegetto, but some DBZ characters, like Boo can just turn him into candy...

All-Star Superman supported quintillion tons, I don't think anyone short of SSJ3 Gotenks is taking him down.

Basic Superman, level 4 would get pawned by SSJ Goku.

And Birth right Superman gets pwned by Nappa.

And I wouldn't have it any other way either. Basic Superman loses to basic Goku.

That's because you have Goku's yellow pubed shimmering cock up your ass.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
That's because you have Goku's yellow pubed shimmering cock up your ass.


*Sigh*

One sentence describing Supes fanboys.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Well the first Superman loses to Goku in the Raditz saga in a curbstomp.

Pre-Crisis doesn't really get beat by any DBZ character.

Post-Crisis might win against Vegetto, but some DBZ characters, like Boo can just turn him into candy...

All-Star Superman supported quintillion tons, I don't think anyone short of SSJ3 Gotenks is taking him down.

Basic Superman, level 4 would get pawned by SSJ Goku.

And Birth right Superman gets pwned by Nappa.

And I wouldn't have it any other way either. Basic Superman loses to basic Goku.

Basic Supes is Post crisis. Buu would not be able to turn him into candy, he's resisted Magical transmuation from people higher than Buu.

All Star Supes is straight up above DBZ though

Originally posted by superchron
Basic Supes is Post crisis. Buu would not be able to turn him into candy, he's resisted Magical transmuation from people higher than Buu.

All Star Supes is straight up above DBZ though


How the **** is he supposed to resist being turned into candy.

With his magical powers? Or just with his strength of will!? ROFL, Wouldn't be surprised.

Basic Superman is all the Supes in comic-dom averaged out, thus BASIC.

He's resisted before, and how did you get BASIC from. Did you average out all 70 years worth of Superman comics. Sorry but that isn't even up for debate.

lol, Superman, last son of Krypton, but when he arrives on Earth, he gains:

The fanboy ability to escape Black Holes with his flight, yet use only his strength.

Complete manipulation of magic, better than Wizards and Sourcerers.

The ability to be anywhere in an instant.

And an army of dumb ass Fanboys!!!

Dumb? Maybe. Uber Coolz? We think so!

Originally posted by superchron
He's resisted before, and how did you get BASIC from. Did you average out all 70 years worth of Superman comics. Sorry but that isn't even up for debate.

Originally posted by superchron

Originally posted by carnage52
i love pc supes hes just so fun to talk about.

NOT WHEN YOUR TRYING TO HAVE A SERIOUS DEBATE.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
NOT WHEN YOUR TRYING TO HAVE A SERIOUS DEBATE.

You wouldn't know a serious debate if it were feasting on your liver.

Originally posted by Soljer
You wouldn't know a serious debate if it were feasting on your liver.

Thats a discusting metaphore.

Serious debates are eating my liver, OMG!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Thats a discusting metaphore.

Serious debates are eating my liver, OMG!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discusting

Originally posted by Soljer
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discusting


If I were trying to spell I wouldn't make any mistakes, but, I'm not.

I'm simply getting a point across.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Well the first Superman loses to Goku in the Raditz saga in a curbstomp.

Pre-Crisis doesn't really get beat by any DBZ character.

Post-Crisis might win against Vegetto, but some DBZ characters, like Boo can just turn him into candy...

All-Star Superman supported quintillion tons, I don't think anyone short of SSJ3 Gotenks is taking him down.

Basic Superman, level 4 would get pawned by SSJ Goku.

And Birth right Superman gets pwned by Nappa.

And I wouldn't have it any other way either. Basic Superman loses to basic Goku.

You didn't answer the question.

I asked you whether you would consider these scenes cannon, if they were written by Jerry Siegel, not what Drgaonball characters you think he'd lose against.

Can someone just ban Combat_Guru already? He's been flaming me over PMs just because he lost the debate a long time ago....

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Originally posted by Rorschach
You didn't answer the question.

I asked you whether you would consider these scenes cannon, if they were written by Jerry Siegel, not what Drgaonball characters you think he'd lose against.


Would I consider them canon?

Quite frankly no, you don't get that kind of personally induced stupidity even if you train under encreasing G's and amp yourself with gene therapy for a trillion years, it's not natural.


BTW, I didn't read your post Endless, nor will I ever read any again, it makes me happier that way.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Would I consider them canon?

Quite frankly no, you don't get that kind of personally induced stupidity even if you train under encreasing G's and amp yourself with gene therapy for a trillion years, it's not natural.


BTW, I didn't read your post Endless, nor will I ever read any again, it makes me happier that way.

So, it isn't cannon even if the creator of Superman wrote those comics, because Superman wasn't portrayed the way he was in the first issue of Action Comics?

Good to know.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Can someone just ban Combat_Guru already? He's been flaming me over PMs just because he lost the debate a long time ago....

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

if he is harassing you in pm's, you should let wraithfuldwarf know...

Originally posted by Raoul
if he is harassing you in pm's, you should let wraithfuldwarf know...


There'd be no point in banning me, it's over now, I'm not going to acknowledge the, well, him.

He makes me mad, he makes me feel like ripping someone's head off.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
There'd be no point in banning me, it's over now, I'm not going to acknowledge the, well, him.

He makes me mad, he makes me feel like ripping someone's head off.

if he makes you feel that way, put him on ignore...

Funny, because I haven't flamed him, but he's been flaming me constantly. I PM'd Wrathfuldwarf with a screenshot of one of his PMs, but he hasn't responded

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Funny, because I haven't flamed him, but he's been flaming me constantly. I PM'd Wrathfuldwarf with a screenshot of one of his PMs, but he hasn't responded

try storm, she's on almost every day...

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
*Sigh*

One sentence describing Supes fanboys. Lolz, not only did I like Goku long before I liked Superman, but I like Goku more. I just don't masturbate to Goku X Vegeta yaoi like you do.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lolz, not only did I like Goku long before I liked Superman, but I like Goku more. I just don't masturbate to Goku X Vegeta yaoi like you do.

That was mean. Maybe we should show more understanding for CaombatGuru. He is obviously very young and an great Goku fan. It's sad if an discussion about comic chars makes him so angry. We should try to help him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lolz, not only did I like Goku long before I liked Superman, but I like Goku more. I just don't masturbate to Goku X Vegeta yaoi like you do.


You sack of filthy shit.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That was mean. Maybe we should show more understanding for CaombatGuru. He is obviously very young and an great Goku fan. It's sad if an discussion about comic chars makes him so angry. We should try to help him.


I'm not immature, I just can't ake anymore of the 3-year-old behavier of the users on this site.

That might be how I'm acting NOW, but it's not how I acted when I first registered.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I'm not immature, I just can't ake anymore of the 3-year-old behavier of the users on this site.

That might be how I'm acting NOW, but it's not how I acted when I first registered.

I'm sorry, no offense my friend. I have been away from this boards a while.

BTW I don't think that Superman an Goku would fight, they are equal, they both have a lot in common and are both heroes. They would rather team up to kick someones ass like Superboy Prime or so .

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I'm not immature

Originally posted by Soljer



*******.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
You sack of filthy shit. haermm

Seriously...I have not laughed this hard in a long time.

3 is the best, any higher and its WTF is this BS? 3 also makes it much more intresting of a character and still more powerful than the others on the team like what he should be.

I like All-star, so which ever level he fits in is the one I like.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
3 is the best, any higher and its WTF is this BS? 3 also makes it much more intresting of a character and still more powerful than the others on the team like what he should be.

Some of the Level 3 feats, take my suspension of disbelief to its limits. I mean moving the moon would take about a thousand years worth of the Suns energy to achieve.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Some of the Level 3 feats, take my suspension of disbelief to its limits. I mean moving the moon would take about a thousand years worth of the Suns energy to achieve.

Which is why DC need to clarify the whole sun thing. One explanation is that he super metabolizes the solar energy, another is that the solar energy merely unlocks infinite interdimensional reserves of power. So is it the former or the latter? I'm inclined to favor the latter given some of his feats i.e. wrestling with Asmodel, pushing imperiex empowered war world etc.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which is why DC need to clarify the whole sun thing. One explanation is that he super metabolizes the solar energy, another is that the solar energy merely unlocks infinite interdimensional reserves of power. So is it the former or the latter? I'm inclined to favor the latter given some of his feats i.e. wrestling with Asmodel, pushing imperiex empowered war world etc.


He wasn't solar powered as Superman Blue when wrestling with Asmodel. Grant Morrison DID intend it to be standard Superman wrestling him however.

Originally posted by Avlon
He wasn't solar powered as Superman Blue when wrestling with Asmodel. Grant Morrison DID intend it to be standard Superman wrestling him however.

I know it was Blue I'm just generalizing on the feat levels.