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Can Gog take him down?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Can Gog take him down? According to Gog, his staff contains the power of a dozen red suns so much more].

So in answer to your question.... Yeah. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
According to Gog, his staff contains the power of a dozen red suns so much more].

So in answer to your question.... Yeah. srsly I concur.


Ok lets change this to Guardian amped Prime.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I concur.


Ok lets change this to Guardian amped Prime. According to Gog, his staff contains the energy of the Guardians of the Universe + the power of the Source + the combined magical might of Zeus and Shazam + the power of a dozen red suns.

Pretty self-explanatory, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
According to Gog, his staff contains the energy of the Guardians of the Universe + the power of the Source + the combined magical might of Zeus and Shazam + the power of a dozen red suns.

Pretty self-explanatory, imo. So you still believe Gog crushes him.

Gog from the Kingdom was taking on Supes, KC Supes, WW, KCWW, KC Batman, Batman, Nightstar (Red Robin's and Starfire's daughter, girl Flash, Ibn Al Whatever, Plastic man's son, etc (and they all had items like the Astro harness, multiple GL rings, Ibis stick, phantom zone projector, and other hella powerful items and he was basically winning. So yeah I'd say he'd at the least stalemate Guardian amped SBP.

Yes.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Gog from the Kingdom was taking on Supes, KC Supes, WW, KCWW, KC Batman, Batman, Nightstar (Red Robin's and Starfire's daughter, girl Flash, Ibn Al Whatever, Plastic man's son, etc (and they all had items like the Astro harness, multiple GL rings, Ibis stick, phantom zone projector, and other hella powerful items and he was basically winning. So yeah I'd say he'd at the least stalemate Guardian amped SBP. I think he would still beat Prime but its a lot closer than without the guardian amp.

Superman-prime would win. Regular Superman-prime took on the guardians, and even killed one. He took punches from black adam and said it tickled. This was Superman-prime before the amp. He wins this.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman-prime would win. Regular Superman-prime took on the guardians, and even killed one. He took punches from black adam and said it tickled. This was Superman-prime before the amp. He wins this. No he doesnt. Did you read kingdom Gog? Be honest here.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
No he doesnt. Did you read kingdom Gog? Be honest here.

I have the entire kingdom series on my comuter.

He's about skyfather level, but not as powerful or as fast as amped Superman-prime.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I have the entire kingdom series on my comuter.

He's about skyfather level, but not as powerful or as fast as amped Superman-prime. He tagged the flash easily. Did you really read it or do I have to post scans of him oneshotting Superman from kc and other feats.


Did you miss galans post commenting on all the power in his staff. You must have.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you read kingdom Gog? Be honest here.

Here it is:

Originally posted by quanchi112
He tagged the flash easily. Did you really read it or do I have to post scans of him oneshotting Superman from kc and other feats.

Any version of Superman-prime speedblitzes the flashes. On panel two times.

kc superman is nowhere near any version of Superman-prime in power.

And here are some links from mediafire I made from the files on my computer. Feel free to download, as I doubt you have read it:

The Kingdom 0
http://www.mediafire.com/?smz00mlm3j3

The Kingdom 01
http://www.mediafire.com/?mbribdn4y0v

The Kingdom 02
http://www.mediafire.com/?nsjzsiwmdm2

The Kingdom 03
http://www.mediafire.com/?apndmlgnetn

The Kingdom 04
http://www.mediafire.com/?21mxzmenuw9

The Kingdom 05
http://www.mediafire.com/?4cz3chntamn

The Kingdom 06
http://www.mediafire.com/?njoitmr9i12

The Kingdom 07
http://www.mediafire.com/?imn5k1ximrx

All from my mediafire.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you miss galans post commenting on all the power in his staff. You must have.

No. I didnt. Seeing as he was faster than three flashes without the amp, the staff wont matter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I concur.


Ok lets change this to Guardian amped Prime.


Does he still get the Sundip?

A guardian amped sundipped Superman Prime is a scary thought.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Here it is: Ok lets begin here shall we.

His staff contains the power over this many red suns.

How many red suns did it take to totally depower Prime again?

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom01Large-08-1.jpg

Lets take a look at a Flash bum rushing him.

Now against Superman Prime they get to him easily and actually took him away. Watch how easily Gog tags him.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom01Large-30-1.jpg

These blasts actually power him up further.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom01Large-32-1.jpg

Look at what this character was doing here to try and sneak up on Gog here. this is how easily and how quickly he can react. Prime has no chance here.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom01Large-33-1.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom01Large-35-1.jpg

Gog would win. His staff had the power of the source, all of the gaurdians, two skyfathers and The phantom stranger.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Ok lets begin here shall we.

His staff contains the power over this many red suns.

How many red suns did it take to totally depower Prime again?


Thats great and all. But this isnt sc Superman-prime. This is amped Superman-prime. The same one that survived a universal explosion. Confirmed by this:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-3.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-2.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-1.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_editio.jpg

And in response to your gog scans:

He can be speedblitzed:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-13.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-14.jpg

And if the red sun energy didnt affect normal superman two times, I doubt it will affect Superman-prime:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-27.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-28.jpg

Again he uses the staff on superman:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-30.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-31.jpg

Thats a lot of red sun energy... and regular superman is still going.

I think that superman-prime takes this. Especially amped.

Gog wins

Originally posted by Sirius77
Thats great and all. But this isnt sc Superman-prime. This is amped Superman-prime. The same one that survived a universal explosion. Confirmed by this:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-3.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-2.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_edi-1.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/wizard_magazine_200_platinum_editio.jpg

And in response to your gog scans:

He can be speedblitzed:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-13.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-14.jpg

And if the red sun energy didnt affect normal superman two times, I doubt it will affect Superman-prime:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-27.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn56/Sirius778/TheKingdom02Large-28.jpg Again your scan does not prove he survived on his own. A monitor easily shielded and saved his universe. Same monitors that were being overpowered by top tiers from the multi.

The first blast on Supes was heat vision which isnt red solar energy itself its heat vision as explained on panel.

Did you leave out the part where Gog destroyed all of the weapons gathered from time to weaken him. He was weakened badly here because of this and was nowhere near at full strength. Its like me posting a scan after Prime went through the red sun and gauging his power.


Gog was toying with everyone and was easily quicker than any Superman. I already proved how quickly he can react especially when facing just one opponent.

Again when he wanted to kill Superman he oneshotted him to death a more powerful version in kc Supes as well. of course Superman is going to live but he proved he could easily snuff him out over a thousand times.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom02Large-06.jpg

Heres a scan showing that he was toying with them the whole time.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom02Large-12.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom02Large-14-1.jpg

I wanted you to see this scan again and to know he took out a futuristic Amazo and that this was simply heat vision.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again your scan does not prove he survived on his own. A monitor easily shielded and saved his universe. Same monitors that were being overpowered by top tiers from the multi.

The first blast on Supes was heat vision which isnt red solar energy itself its heat vision as explained on panel.

Did you leave out the part where Gog destroyed all of the weapons gathered from time to weaken him. He was weakened badly here because of this and was nowhere near at full strength. Its like me posting a scan after Prime went through the red sun and gauging his power.


Gog was toying with everyone and was easily quicker than any Superman. I already proved how quickly he can react especially when facing just one opponent.

Again when he wanted to kill Superman he oneshotted him to death a more powerful version in kc Supes as well. of course Superman is going to live but he proved he could easily snuff him out over a thousand times.

Sadly, the only thing that the moniter saved was a plant. Everything else was destroyed except for he, the plant, and Superman-prime. That same moniter in final crisis was exiled for his failure to save his universe. The time trapper found Superman-prime and slingshotted him to the legion universe.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primmonvs12.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primmonvs13.jpg

The scans where regular superman is getting blasted are from the staff. The heat vision scan said above it that he can be speedblitzed. I said nothing about red sun energy. Gog said in one of your scans that he had the energy of a dozen red suns in his staff. Unless it was a hyperbole.

No. The power of his staff has nothing to do with his own power. Thus, when he is weakened, the red sun energy is coming from said staff will not be affected. Also, he was speedblitzed several times in the scans that I gave you before he was weakened.

And superman-prime has proved that he is quicker, by not only tagging a flash, but speedblitzing three, then oneshotting one in sc. This was when he was not amped.

Superman-prime could snuff superman out as well if he had a staff that contained the power of a dozen red suns.

Originally posted by quanchi112
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/TheKingdom02Large-14-1.jpg

I wanted you to see this scan again and to know he took out a futuristic Amazo and that this was simply heat vision.

Check again. I never said that wasnt heat vision. I said that he can be speedblitzed. And he was.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Sadly, the only thing that the moniter saved was a plant. Everything else was destroyed except for he, the plant, and Superman-prime. That same moniter in final crisis was exiled for his failure to save his universe. The time trapper found Superman-prime and slingshotted him to the legion universe.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primmonvs12.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primmonvs13.jpg

The scans where regular superman is getting blasted are from the staff. The heat vision scan said above it that he can be speedblitzed. I said nothing about red sun energy. Gog said in one of your scans that he had the energy of a dozen red suns in his staff. Unless it was a hyperbole.

No. The power of his staff has nothing to do with his own power. Thus, when he is weakened, the red sun energy is coming from said staff will not be affected. Also, he was speedblitzed several times in the scans that I gave you before he was weakened.

And superman-prime has proved that he is quicker, by not only tagging a flash, but speedblitzing three, then oneshotting one in sc. This was when he was not amped.

Superman-prime could snuff superman out as well if he had a staff that contained the power of a dozen red suns. It wasnt hyperbole. He was oneshotting Supermen and more powerful Supermen with ease. One red sun can totally depower Prime but this guy has the power of twelve in his staff. He ends this anytime he wants to.


The staff is his heavy hitter. He was weakened along wit it when he destroyed all those powerful items a.ka. plot devices to give the heroes a chance. Supes survived when he was weakened obviously because he was killing Superma easily with one blast. The guy took out Mxy while Prime needed someone else to depower him. Gog took him out as an afterthought.

the point is Prime doesnt have the staff its Gog and in his power set. Its like saying if Superman had Thors hammer he would crush Thor.

I said characters could speedblitz him but his reactions are too fact against one opponent. I put up the scans showing him easily blasting a Flash and the nanosecond reaction speed as well. Gog crushes him.

Gog for the win


It might not be canon, i am not sure, but they explained how red sun radiation effects superman(batman/superman i think), and it basicly stops him from using his stores of energy...so i dont see supes winning this....now if its not canon, well i give gog the majority...but i would not argue the point



Who messed up the page with these huge scans....jeeez!

Anyone ever hear of THUMBNAILS??

This page is ridiculously annoying.. ermm

How was Gog weakened by destroying a bunch of random weapons? He was trying to weaken Superman right?

A typical sunamp portrayal of regular Superman would probably lose.

The crazy powerful Sunamped Superman at the end of OWAW would probably win.

Which "typical sundip portrayal" are you referring to..?

I don't really want to argue about the Worligog episode--it's one event, either way.

OWAW was the only time Superman was fundamentally transformed by a Sun Amp, and it is IMO the high water mark for his sun amp.