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Not including Lucifer or Michael.

host of angels are a multiversal power who can even act{e.g. amendial} outside their said multiverse. the entire celestial host doesnt have a prayer.

Host of Angels get crushed.

Celestials are below eternity?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
host of angels are a multiversal power who can even act{e.g. amendial} outside their said multiverse. the entire celestial host doesnt have a prayer.

Multiversal in power? I know Angels in their true form are uber as hell.

Originally posted by cloud102
Multiversal in power? I know Angels in their true form are uber as hell.
You actually believed that guy?
hysterical

Wasn't Gabriel equal to Lucifer and Michael, or at least close?

Also the Spectre counts as an Angel, doesn't he?

There's also the Angel that created the Basanos, they were pretty broken

Asmodel?

Originally posted by Air Legend
You actually believed that guy?
hysterical

Uhh, I didn't believe him or disbelieve him. I just asked.

Aren't Lucifer and Michael the strongest angels. They are only Universal in power last I heard. I don't think the angels stand a chance.

Celestials stomp.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Aren't Lucifer and Michael the strongest angels. They are only Universal in power last I heard. I don't think the angels stand a chance.
Lucifer and Michael each had half a hand in all that is DC. One supplied the power, the other supplied the will. Michael's power sustains all creation.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Lucifer and Michael each had half a hand in all that is DC. One supplied the power, the other supplied the will. Michael's power sustains all creation.

Ahhhhh.. Cool. Well now I don't know who will take the fight.

Michael and Lucifer aren't in this. Celestials stomp.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Michael and Lucifer aren't in this. Celestials stomp.

Why? We've seen small time angels like Zauriel cleanse the earth with his hand. Even talk down to the Spectre.

Originally posted by cloud102
Why? We've seen small time angels like Zauriel cleanse the earth with his hand. Even talk down to the Spectre.
You are a DC biased runt. Do you even know how many Celestials there are? Have you ever heard of Scathan?

Originally posted by Air Legend
You are a DC biased runt. Do you even know how many Celestials there are? Have you ever heard of Scathan?
Scathan has one feat that is PIS filled. why didnt' protege copy scathan's power?

Also Zauriel was WTF-Pwned by SBP.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Also Zauriel was WTF-Pwned by SBP.

SBP pwned everyone. Also Magical powers don't work on SBP. Zuriel happens to have supernatural powers.

Originally posted by cloud102
Why? We've seen small time angels like Zauriel cleanse the earth with his hand. Even talk down to the Spectre.
That feat is nowhere close to celestial level.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That feat is nowhere close to celestial level.

True, but that's not the extent of Angel's powers.

Originally posted by Air Legend
You are a DC biased runt. Do you even know how many Celestials there are? Have you ever heard of Scathan?

Do you know how many Angel's there are?

Originally posted by cloud102
True, but that's not the extent of Angel's powers.
Well then why are you bringing it up?

If that's not their greatest feat, what is?

Originally posted by cloud102
Do you know how many Angel's there are?

There is one angel for every soul in creation. hence the term guardian angels. Then there are armies of angels. Different host. Then there are the choirs of angels. The ones whose voices are so powerful that they are only allowed to sing to God lest they destroy everthing. There are the angels of fallen might in hell. The spectre,the word, lucifer and mike, eclipso, etc.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well then why are you bringing it up?

If that's not their greatest feat, what is?

It was just an example. A spec of their power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
There is one angel for every soul in creation. hence the term guardian angels. Then there are armies of angels. Different host. Then there are the choirs of angels. The ones whose voices are so powerful that they are only allowed to sing to God lest they destroy everthing. There are the angels of fallen might in hell. The spectre,the word, lucifer and mike, eclipso, etc.

Oh, I know. Bull Host is one of them. There are COUNTLESS Angels in the DCU. As described in Morrison's run.

Asmodel's hearbeat is described as a THOUSAND hiroshima's Again, i'm not even saying Asmodel is in a Celestial's league, but that's power right there. And not even it's full potential.

1 celestial>>>>>>>>>>one angel IMO.
There are millions of celestials. There better be Trillions of angels to make a difference.

Well the angels vary greatly in power - there are ones like Zauriel who are maybe low to mid Herald level, I think they are among the weakest.

What about the Spectre? He's an angel

There's over 10 billion Celestials. Scathan is the most powerful Celestial

Celestials FTW

Originally posted by moonknight11
1 celestial>>>>>>>>>>one angel IMO.
There are millions of celestials. There better be Trillions of angels to make a difference.

That depends on which Angel. Ones that sit high are supposedly abstract/cosmic in nature. Those are immortal and don't have a flesh body.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well the angels vary greatly in power - there are ones like Zauriel who are maybe low to mid Herald level, I think they are among the weakest.

What about the Spectre? He's an angel

I'm not really counting Spectre, but if you want, how does he fair against a high end Celestial?

I think the Spectre could beat any Celestial 1-on-1, except Scathan if you take his feat at face value

He wins against any celestial except Scathan.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I think the Spectre could beat any Celestial 1-on-1, except Scathan if you take his feat at face value

what did he do exactly? His feat of defeating protoge who had just learned the Lt's powers? protoge should have copied scathans powers too. Hell, why would he need anyone's powers if he has Lt's?

How does Una Worm of Heaven do against Scathan? It's divine related, so...

Copying LT's powers means he would automatically know how to use them at their fullest being LT is omniscient. The fact that Scathan handled Protege with LT's powers so easily says enough.

Celestials take this.

people here are DC "ILLITERATE" ! spectre is an angel trying to redeem himself, the phantom stranger is also a fallen angel. the nagelic host in the silver city can lay the whole of creation to ruin, there are angels signifying abstract concepts{unlike abstract entities in marvel like eternitu} like silence etc. the angels also operate throughout the multiverse, and there is only ONE host of angels for the entire multiverse as there is only one heaven. if any 1 here thinks even eternity has a chance against the host, they are SORELY mistaken.

celestials are overhyped and rather weak.

celestials in a curbstomp

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Copying LT's powers means he would automatically know how to use them at their fullest being LT is omniscient. The fact that Scathan handled Protege with LT's powers so easily says enough.

Celestials take this.
The fact that scathan handled lt's powers without protoge automatically knowing scathan's powers and copying them says that the story was bullshit.

Originally posted by Air Legend

Host of Angels get crushed.
Originally posted by King Kandy

Celestials stomp.
Originally posted by Air Legend

Have you ever heard of Scathan?
Originally posted by moonknight11

1 celestial>>>>>>>>>>one angel IMO.
Originally posted by guy222

There's over 10 billion Celestials. Scathan is the most powerful Celestial

Celestials FTW
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Celestials take this.
Originally posted by Nestical

celestials in a curbstomp


Originally posted by fangirl101

The fact that scathan handled lt's powers
without protoge automatically knowing scathan's powers and copying them

says that the story was bullshit.
Canon nonetheless.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8827/protegeov8.th.jpg

Scathan stomps!

Originally posted by Mr Master



Canon nonetheless.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8827/protegeov8.th.jpg

Scathan stomps!

There is a rule in the forum rules barring PIS. PIS would be scathan's win over protoge and using it to say that scathan is as powerful or more than the Lt. Protoge didn't have the backing of the one above all or the Lt's authority. If he'd gotten the Lt's omnicience, he would have been able to automatically copy the powers of ever being in creation since the LT has already seen all of them use thier powers. Including Scathan. So there is no way that Protoge had gotten full use of the Lt's powers. Impossible. Lucifer and Micheal are angels. they would beat scathan like a step kid.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Canon nonetheless.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8827/protegeov8.th.jpg

Scathan stomps!

Originally posted by fangirl101
There is a rule in the forum rules barring PIS. PIS would be scathan's win over protoge and using it to say that scathan is as powerful or more than the Lt. Protoge didn't have the backing of the one above all or the Lt's authority. If he'd gotten the Lt's omnicience, he would have been able to automatically copy the powers of every being ever in creation since the LT has already seen all of them use thier powers. Including Scathan. So there is no way that Protoge had gotten full use of the Lt's powers. Impossible. Lucifer and Micheal are angels. they would beat scathan like a step kid.

Originally posted by fangirl101

You can re-post your mis-information but it will do no good.

Please, show us proof of the LT knowing or seeing Scathan's powers.
(when that was the first time Scathan ever appeared on panel)

See, you always concoct these theories based on ignorance.

No offense, ignorance simply means to not know,
which fits you just right in this particular moment.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Can we consider this an low feat of LT?

Did Scathan ever appeared again? Has he other feats?

guys, lets keep the personal stuff out of this, thx...

Originally posted by Mr Master
You can re-post your mis-information but it will do no good.

Please, show us proof of the LT knowing or seeing Scathan's powers.
(when that was the first time Scathan ever appeared on panel)

See, you always concoct these theories based on ignorance.

No offense, ignorance simply means to not know,
which fits you just right in this particular moment.
Well, technically the LT should know about Scathan's powers if he's omniscient.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You can re-post your mis-information but it will do no good.

Please, show us proof of the LT knowing or seeing Scathan's powers.
(when that was the first time Scathan ever appeared on panel)

See, you always concoct these theories based on ignorance.

No offense, ignorance simply means to not know,
which fits you just right in this particular moment.

Then it is your summation that the LT is not Omnicient and Omnipotent below the one above all. Because if he hadn't known Scathan's power, then that would make him less than what others say he is.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Well, technically the LT should know about Scathan's powers if he's omniscient.


Hey Air, just wondering would you put Scathan over The Living Tribunal?

And yes Leon some are

Originally posted by kevdude
Hey Air, just wondering would you put Scathan over The Living Tribunal?
No. But the PIS story suggests he was operating at LT level.

the rest of marvel combined is still lesser than the power of the living tribunal, the protege wouldn't gain anything by appropriating their power.

but i assume the protege can only take on one powerset at a time.

Celestials dominate. This is spite.

^not even close, this is spite as the angelic host would wipe out eternity.

These angels were pretty unimpressive in Lucifer.

Did Mazikeen and her brother kill one by dropping a stone on his wings? I mean, come on.....

^ phenomenon in the demon realms as well as heaven arent the same as phenomenon in the real world. in the real world, destroying a building over a CHERUB isnt enough to even scratch him, same goes for the jin en mok. while in the higher realms, an angel can be killed{if he is weak} by lettting a block of the material used to build the silver city, and these are ARCHANGELS. carey, like gaiman goes for the humanistic touch, making things mroe NATURAL in those realms and relateable to humans, unlike marvel cosmics, which are poetic hype upon hypse and desperate attempts to impress the ABSRACTNESS of the thing to the reader{where it often fails miserably}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^not even close, this is spite as the angelic host would wipe out eternity. Do you know how many Celestials there are?


In dc Asmodel curbstomped heaven. Cronus needed the power of three religions to oneshot angels as if they were street levelers.


Celestials could have dominated Cronus in that story.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ phenomenon in the demon realms as well as heaven arent the same as phenomenon in the real world. in the real world, destroying a building over a CHERUB isnt enough to even scratch him, same goes for the jin en mok. while in the higher realms, an angel can be killed{if he is weak} by lettting a block of the material used to build the silver city, and these are ARCHANGELS. carey, like gaiman goes for the humanistic touch, making things mroe NATURAL in those realms and relateable to humans, unlike marvel cosmics, which are poetic hype upon hypse and desperate attempts to impress the ABSRACTNESS of the thing to the reader{where it often fails miserably}

THANK YOU for clearing that up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you know how many Celestials there are?


In dc Asmodel curbstomped heaven. Cronus needed the power of three religions to oneshot angels as if they were street levelers.


Celestials could have dominated Cronus in that story.

do you? lol

1: quoting out of context PIS feats

2: using the pis feat as basis to support a crossover assumption with nothing to back it up.

this isnt an argument. celestials lose.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do you? lol

1: quoting out of context PIS feats

2: using the pis feat as basis to support a crossover assumption with nothing to back it up.

this isnt an argument. celestials lose. In dc heaven has been looked at as anything but powerful. The angels I have seen couldnt take on Scathan let alone the whole lot of them.

Originally posted by fangirl101
There is a rule in the forum rules barring PIS. PIS would be scathan's win over protoge and using it to say that scathan is as powerful or more than the Lt. Protoge didn't have the backing of the one above all or the Lt's authority. If he'd gotten the Lt's omnicience, he would have been able to automatically copy the powers of ever being in creation since the LT has already seen all of them use thier powers. Including Scathan. So there is no way that Protoge had gotten full use of the Lt's powers. Impossible. Lucifer and Micheal are angels. they would beat scathan like a step kid.

Well, the idea that Scathan was working on behalf of the OAA, the Supreme being might answer as to why LT had no clue about Scathans powers. LT is omniscient one what goes on in the omniverse he judges, not what the OAA is up to.

and again...Celestials win

May get answers if Scathan returns

I dunno who would win, if scathan appeared just once and he is truly that powerful, the Celestials should win but only if they fight without Mike and Luci.

Oh yeah and I think that the Celestials are cooler so they SHOULD win

The Spectre and Eclipso are both angels. Neron, and Satannus are also angels. Isn't Elaine an angel? What about the word? The celestials are in big trouble.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Spectre and Eclipso are both angels. Neron, and Satannus are also angels. Isn't Elaine an angel? What about the word? The celestials are in big trouble.

Characters like Eclipso wouldn't make that big a difference

Originally posted by llagrok
Characters like Eclipso wouldn't make that big a difference

Eclipso can possess correct? why not possess the strongest celestial? But forget him. You still got spectre, neron, elaine is a biggie.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Eclipso can possess correct? why not possess the strongest celestial? But forget him. You still got spectre, neron, elaine is a biggie. You bring up eclipso who was easily pwned by Darkseid.


This is dc's host of angels as well and isnt veritigos angels. If they havent appeared in the dcu they dont count.

How can eclipso possess a Celestial? Explain.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Well, the idea that Scathan was working on behalf of the OAA, the Supreme being might answer as to why LT had no clue about Scathans powers. LT is omniscient one what goes on in the omniverse he judges, not what the OAA is up to. Nicely done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You bring up eclipso who was easily pwned by Darkseid.


This is dc's host of angels as well and isnt veritigos angels. If they havent appeared in the dcu they dont count.

How can eclipso possess a Celestial? Explain.
ELAINE.

Originally posted by fangirl101
ELAINE. Has Elaine appeared in the dcu?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Elaine appeared in the dcu?

She is part of vertigo which is part of the DCU.

Technically, Elaine is half-angel, so I don't know if she counts

Originally posted by fangirl101
She is part of vertigo which is part of the DCU. No this is only the dcu. Unless they have appeared in the dcu they dont count. Sorry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No this is only the dcu. Unless they have appeared in the dcu they dont count. Sorry.
It's all part of the DCU. You get on my nerves. Because youlike to talk about how the presence isn't supreme using vertigo appearances and then when I use elaine in a vs thread and she tips the scales in dc's favor,all of a sudden it's only dcu. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hippocritcal

You know, I'd like someone to prove the angels can even kill a Celestial.

Elaine is a half-angel btw.

Depends on which angels are allowed, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Air Legend
You know, I'd like someone to prove the angels can even kill a Celestial.

Elaine is a half-angel btw.

How can you prove this, there are no Celestials in the DCU. If an Celestials kills an angel in the MArvel U or an being of great power we can only "assume" that he could kill an DCU Angel.

I'd like someone to prove the Celestial can even kill an DCU Angel

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How can you prove this, there are no Celestials in the DCU. If an Celestials kills an angel in the MArvel U or an being of great power we can only "assume" that he could kill an DCU Angel.

I'd like someone to prove the Celestial can even kill an DCU Angel

Prove, as in show a feat that an angel has performed that could possibly kill a Celestial.

Angels have been killed by spears and swords and you're telling someone to prove that a Celestial can even kill an angel? hysterical

Originally posted by fangirl101
It's all part of the DCU. You get on my nerves. Because youlike to talk about how the presence isn't supreme using vertigo appearances and then when I use elaine in a vs thread and she tips the scales in dc's favor,all of a sudden it's only dcu. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hippocritcal Well if the thread stated its all angels in the dcu and vertigo but it clearly states only dcu.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Prove, as in show a feat that an angel has performed that could possibly kill a Celestial.

Angels have been killed by spears and swords and you're telling someone to prove that a Celestial can even kill an angel? hysterical

Show me an angel in full angelic glory in the mortal plane being killed by a spear by a NON angelic or supernatural force.

The only thing that has a confirmed kill on a Celestial in Marvel is the HOTI... does a Single Angel have that kind of power in dcu?

The rest has succeed in destroying it's physical shell...

Originally posted by Utrigita
The only thing that has a confirmed kill on a Celestial in Marvel is the HOTI... does a Single Angel have that kind of power in dcu?

The rest has succeed in destroying it's physical shell...

The Spectre does. The voice is an angel. It would obliterate the entire celestial host with a word.

I didn't realise that the Spectre possessed a power that equaled the HOTU...

Wasn't spectre only at the Presence level when he merged with the Source?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I didn't realise that the Spectre possessed a power that equaled the HOTU...

Wasn't spectre only at the Presence level when he merged with the Source?

The Spectre can tap the Logoz ANY time he wants to. He had INFINITE energies in the COIE. The heart isn't God's power. Just a power stronger than the LT. I'd imagine that The Logoz is more powerful than the LT.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I didn't realise that the Spectre possessed a power that equaled the HOTU...

Wasn't spectre only at the Presence level when he merged with the Source?
Just a heads up, you should never depend on fangirl to answer your questions.

He didn't do it in DOV did he?

Wasn't he being amped by numerous magicians in COIE?

Based on what If I might ask is the Logoz stronger then the LT?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Just a heads up, you should never depend on fangirl to answer your questions.

Then you can answer them too Air Legend

I lack fundamental knowledge of DC but I'm trying to learn

Marvel however I know, I just want a more indept knowlegde of the Angels before stating my opinion on the winner.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He didn't do it in DOV did he?

Wasn't he being amped by numerous magicians in COIE?

Based on what If I might ask is the Logoz stronger then the LT?

The spectre doesn't always tap ultimate power in situations. Why doesn't he do it when he punishes regular humans?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Just a heads up, you should never depend on fangirl to answer your questions.

That is flaming.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Spectre can tap the Logoz ANY time he wants to. He had INFINITE energies in the COIE. The heart isn't God's power. Just a power stronger than the LT. I'd imagine that The Logoz is more powerful than the LT. This was confirmed in a scan and by the writer. Supreme and god.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The Spectre does. The voice is an angel. It would obliterate the entire celestial host with a word. Scans?

Originally posted by fangirl101
The spectre doesn't always tap ultimate power in situations. Why doesn't he do it when he punishes regular humans?

Yeah, the next Spectre mini will deal with his full potential.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He didn't do it in DOV did he?

Wasn't he being amped by numerous magicians in COIE?

Based on what If I might ask is the Logoz stronger then the LT? No he didnt and he was amped in coie by other magicians and mages.

Id like proof as well to prove the logoz is more powerful than the Lt.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The spectre doesn't always tap ultimate power in situations. Why doesn't he do it when he punishes regular humans?

Not even against the Anti Monitor seems strange, why would he require the magicians help if he had a infinite power source to draw from...

I have no idea why he doesn't do it when he punishes regular humans, as said before my knowlegde of DC is very low level.

However



I would like you to elaborate a bit on.

The Spectres power isn't constant, he is as powerful as he needs to be to accomplish his task, sure it doesn't work always cause it would make all comics pretty boring, so the writers have to "lower" his power in some cases.

But we can say that fully backed up by the DC God, he is as powerful as the LT, who has his share of low showings as well.

DC vs Marvel might not be official but at least it showed us where each supreme being, means the companies (DC and Marvel), places it's big boys. LT = Spectre. Both had the whole support of their supreme being in this crossover and were shown as equals.

So Spectre can tap into a infinite power source that no longer exist...

Thanks Air Legend.

Based on that scans, I would like to ask you fangirl101 what places the Logos above LT?

Originally posted by Utrigita
So Spectre can tap into a infinite power source that no longer exist...

Thanks Air Legend.

Based on that scans, I would like to ask you fangirl101 what places the Logos above LT?

No longer exist? Hal JORDAN tapeed into the Logoz. Which was AFTER those scans. Thanks.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No longer exist? Hal JORDAN tapeed into the Logoz. Which was AFTER those scans. Thanks.

Again I said based on those scans it should have been destroyed

Also Hal Jordan doing it will be nice, but I still lack a elaboration from you concerning your statement about the Logos being above the Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again I said based on those scans it should have been destroyed

Also Hal Jordan doing it will be nice, but I still lack a elaboration from you concerning your statement about the Logos being above the Living Tribunal.

the LOGOZ is the voice of god.

True The Word = The Logos was the first being created by The Voice and is him in the flesh, in the book is a record of all human history. Without The Voice/The Word everything began falling into decay

Those scans prove one thing. That Lucifer destroyed a building in the Silver City. Are you, Air Legend, trying to imply that The Logos was the building, and that when Lucifer destroyed the building he destroyed The Logos? Cause that's what it sounds like you're doing...

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/vigilanteslash/images/aztar.JPG

Michael talking about the rebellion against The Word, he listens to him

In the Books of Magic, the Phantom Stranger talking to Tim about some of the angels and there roles.
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/vigilanteslash/images/archangels.JPG

Originally posted by kevdude
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/vigilanteslash/images/aztar.JPG

Michael talking about the rebellion against The Word, he listens to him

In the Books of Magic, the Phantom Stranger talking to Tim about some of the angels and there roles.
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/vigilanteslash/images/archangels.JPG

you can't hotlink to angelfire, aka pics not working

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Those scans prove one thing. That Lucifer destroyed a building in the Silver City. Are you, Air Legend, trying to imply that The Logos was the building, and that when Lucifer destroyed the building he destroyed The Logos? Cause that's what it sounds like you're doing...
Not trying to imply, I'm directly stating it.

"That room is called the Logos, and it is where his words live."

Originally posted by Air Legend
Not trying to imply, I'm directly stating it.

"That room is called the Logos, and it is where his words live." And yet, the spectre Hal jordan tapped the logoz... quite some time later.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
you can't hotlink to angelfire, aka pics not working drag and drop

Originally posted by Air Legend
Not trying to imply, I'm directly stating it.

"That room is called the Logos, and it is where his words live."

So Lucifer destroyed God's voice huh?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The Spectres power isn't constant, he is as powerful as he needs to be to accomplish his task, sure it doesn't work always cause it would make all comics pretty boring, so the writers have to "lower" his power in some cases.

But we can say that fully backed up by the DC God, he is as powerful as the LT, who has his share of low showings as well.

DC vs Marvel might not be official but at least it showed us where each supreme being, means the companies (DC and Marvel), places it's big boys. LT = Spectre. Both had the whole support of their supreme being in this crossover and were shown as equals. That crossover was pathetic and was full of crap.


They had Storm beating WW for crying out loud. Nothing can be taken seriously from that crossover.

Spectre is a plot device character as is Lt. The Spectre has needed help more than a few times when dealing with huge threats. He cant beat whoever he needs to when he needs to. Sometimes he needs help but at the end of the day the good guys will always win.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the LOGOZ is the voice of god.

(Excuse my bold comment)

And...

Originally posted by quanchi112
That crossover was pathetic and was full of crap.


They had Storm beating WW for crying out loud. Nothing can be taken seriously from that crossover.

Spectre is a plot device character as is Lt. The Spectre has needed help more than a few times when dealing with huge threats. He cant beat whoever he needs to when he needs to. Sometimes he needs help but at the end of the day the good guys will always win.

That crossover was indeed pathetic, though the art was ok .

BUT

Storm beating WW and all those other Superhero fights were decided by the votes of the fans. Spectre and LT were as powerful as the Writers wanted them to be, means full power. A big difference don't you think?

LT needed the help of an Celestial, MM etc too. Spectre an LT could end any threat, but it would be boring as hell..... ^^

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
So Lucifer destroyed God's voice huh?
Please tell me this is not a serious question.

Go back and read the sentence then maybe you'll realize what the Logos really is.

It's listening to fangirl101 who's really nvr...mind I'll tell you in a PM.

Anyways, it would be in your best interest to ignore fangirl101.

Most angels were shit, just the seraphim were multiversal, or rather universal. Though appearently a universe could be formed into a Multiverse.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That crossover was indeed pathetic, though the art was ok .

BUT

Storm beating WW and all those other Superhero fights were decided by the votes of the fans. Spectre and LT were as powerful as the Writers wanted them to be, means full power. A big difference don't you think?

LT needed the help of an Celestial, MM etc too. Spectre an LT could end any threat, but it would be boring as hell..... ^^ It was all noncanon. I could then use all noncanon crossovers as evidence then because the writers agreed upon it.

So then Galactus>all new gods combined.

Surfer can defeat Orion easily because the fans didnt vote on this one.

Catch my drift if you accept one this way you must accept all noncanon crossovers.

Lt needed help with defeating powerful beings the likes of which spectre hasnt come across imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was all noncanon. I could then use all noncanon crossovers as evidence then because the writers agreed upon it.

So then Galactus>all new gods combined.

Surfer can defeat Orion easily because the fans didnt vote on this one.

Catch my drift if you accept one this way you must accept all noncanon crossovers.

Lt needed help with defeating powerful beings the likes of which spectre hasnt come across imo.

Except JLA vs Avengers, which was cannon.

Galactus > new Gods

Surfer > Orion

DS >>>>>> Surfer

one of the Better Crossovers^^

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Except JLA vs Avengers, which was cannon.

Galactus > new Gods

Surfer > Orion

DS >>>>>> Surfer

one of the Better Crossovers^^ I agree with the crossover of the Hunger but cant use it as evidence, only crossover you can use is the jla thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was all noncanon. I could then use all noncanon crossovers as evidence then because the writers agreed upon it.

So then Galactus>all new gods combined.

Surfer can defeat Orion easily because the fans didnt vote on this one.

Catch my drift if you accept one this way you must accept all noncanon crossovers.

Lt needed help with defeating powerful beings the likes of which spectre hasnt come across imo.

Where the hell did you get galactus all new gods combined? I didn't see galactus fight all new gods. I didnt' see surfer fight Orion with any actual powers.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Where the hell did you get galactus all new gods combined? I didn't see galactus fight all new gods. I didnt' see surfer fight Orion with any actual powers. The source was telling the new gods to hide. They had no chance. This was Galactus practically starved whipping on them and Surfer beating Orion when he wanted to. New gods were afraid of big G. The source knew they had no chance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The source was telling the new gods to hide. They had no chance. This was Galactus practically starved whipping on them and Surfer beating Orion when he wanted to. New gods were afraid of big G. The source knew they had no chance.
Wait. So Galactus never fought the combined new gods did he? As I remember it, DS actually stumbled Galactus just by using his TK powers on the planet itself. We also dont' know how old the story is. Meaning we dont' know when it was set. We dont' know how powerful the new gods were at that point, what tech they had, we don't know if DS had asborbed the power of pantheon. Nothing. Please, do me a favor, and just post that you hate all DC comics, you will make up bs about them, you live to aggrevate anyone who does like them, and be done with it. So we can all pretty much do what we do when you post about dc comics, get a good chuckle.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Wait. So Galactus never fought the combined new gods did he? As I remember it, DS actually stumbled Galactus just by using his TK powers on the planet itself. We also dont' know how old the story is. Meaning we dont' know when it was set. We dont' know how powerful the new gods were at that point, what tech they had, we don't know if DS had asborbed the power of pantheon. Nothing. Please, do me a favor, and just post that you hate all DC comics, you will make up bs about them, you live to aggrevate anyone who does like them, and be done with it. So we can all pretty much do what we do when you post about dc comics, get a good chuckle. I am taking nothing out of context. The source knew the new gods had no chance. They hid new genesis because the knew resistance was futile. Hey dont hate me dc let them publish this.

Galactus wasnt even phased by the omega effect even though he was practically starved to death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am taking nothing out of context. The source knew the new gods had no chance. They hid new genesis because the knew resistance was futile. Hey dont hate me dc let them publish this.
You take EVERYTHING out of context. We dont' know what time frame the story take place. We know that Takion wasn't around. Takion alone would be enough to hold a starving Galactus off. Hell, he held ares off for a while. He wasn't in the story was he? So we know the story was set in the past. That means we dont' know what tech they HAD NOT invented yet, etc. Of course the source knew this as they were probably a baby race of Gods. For those of us smart enough to see this.

Wait, are you guys arguing about the Galactus vs. Apokolips crossover? That's not even canon

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wait, are you guys arguing about the Galactus vs. Apokolips crossover? That's not even canon Read back. someone tried using a noncanon reference to make a claim. Seriously I dont have time to bring you up to speed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You take EVERYTHING out of context. We dont' know what time frame the story take place. We know that Takion wasn't around. Takion alone would be enough to hold a starving Galactus off. Hell, he held ares off for a while. He wasn't in the story was he? So we know the story was set in the past. That means we dont' know what tech they HAD NOT invented yet, etc. Of course the source knew this as they were probably a baby race of Gods. For those of us smart enough to see this. Takion has no feats to say otherwise. The guy cant even dominate Darkseid yet yo think he can beat someone much more powerful than a planet of new gods let alone Darkseid.

Nah you speculate a lot. Its plain as day in this noncanon crossover.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Read back. someone tried using a noncanon reference to make a claim. Seriously I dont have time to bring you up to speed.

Then why not simply dismiss said claim by pointing out that it's non-canon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Takion has no feats to say otherwise. The guy cant even dominate Darkseid yet yo think he can beat someone much more powerful than a planet of new gods let alone Darkseid.

Nah you speculate a lot. Its plain as day in this noncanon crossover.
TAKION HAS NO FEAT? I just mentioned a feat that cleary would say that he could hold off A starving Galactus. We should all just throw our DC books in shredders because according to you, they all have no feats, and are unimpressive anyway.

Originally posted by fangirl101
TAKION HAS NO FEAT? I just mentioned a feat that cleary would say that he could hold off A starving Galactus. We should all just throw our DC books in shredders because according to you, they all have no feats, and are unimpressive anyway. Are you claiming Takion has a feat that puts him up there with Galactus?

Are you being serious?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you claiming Takion has a feat that puts him up there with Galactus?

Are you being serious?

Read what the hell I wrote. I said there was no Takion and if Takion could briefly Hold off the God wave, then surely if he were around they would have used him to beat up on a STARVING galactus. I get tired of you reading what the hell you want and not what's on the screen. hell you read what you want in the comics and not what is really there. so why should i be surprised.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Read what the hell I wrote. I said there was no Takion and if Takion could briefly Hold off the God wave, then surely if he were around they would have used him to beat up on a STARVING galactus. I get tired of you reading what the hell you want and not what's on the screen. hell you read what you want in the comics and not what is really there. so why should i be surprised. Again Takion died. he held it off for a moment. gaalctus isnt source based at all and even if he could hold off Galactus he woul ddie just as he did holding off the source.

I mean the guy died.

What's so tough about the godwave? WW with it could barely beat one God.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/526/presenceyhwhxr5.th.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Takion died. he held it off for a moment. gaalctus isnt source based at all and even if he could hold off Galactus he woul ddie just as he did holding off the source.

I mean the guy died.

You know how you loook right? Please tell me you do. Takion Died holding off the GODWAVE. the Power that gives every superbeing and God in the cosmos thier power. A starving Galatus wouldn't compare.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What's so tough about the godwave? WW with it could barely beat one God.
Obviosly you don't read much DC. She only had the piece of the Godwave that Her Gods controlled that they gave to her. And he wasn't just one God. She used it to merge his conciousness with Reality.

Prove that it was only a fraction of the godwave she was using. She asked for the godwave and got it. Not a piece.

Originally posted by Astner
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/526/presenceyhwhxr5.th.jpg

Is there a point to this scan? Is that a DC comic or Vertigo? That ISN"T what I asked for.

You asked for someone in vertigo calling Yahweh the presence. He has complied.

Actually I made a long statement with another page where Lucifer and Michael referes to the Presence as Yahweh too, but the thread god closed. And that's all I have left of .

Kandy didn't you say you were going to stop talking to him?

Originally posted by Astner
Actually I made a long statement with another page where Lucifer and Michael referes to the Presence as Yahweh too, but the thread god closed. And that's all I have left of .

The point is, DID IT HAPPEN IN A DCU book or a vertigo book.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You asked for someone in vertigo calling Yahweh the presence. He has complied.
NO. I asked for someone in the DCU calling the presence YWH.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Kandy didn't you say you were going to stop talking to him? You are trolling and flaming and not contributing to the debate. I'll report you if you dont' stop it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Is there a point to this scan? Is that a DC comic or Vertigo? That ISN"T what I asked for.
Consession accepeted, you've not read the Lucifer series and are therefore should not be able to state your speculation regarding the series.
Your knowledge of Presence/Yahweh/God of Vertigo is non-existant--I will not longer debate it with you until you've read the series.

Originally posted by Astner
Consession accepeted, you've not read the Lucifer series and are therefore should not be able to state your speculation regarding the series.
Your knowledge of Presence/Yahweh/God of Vertigo is non-existant--I will not longer debate it with you until you've read the series.
there is no concession. I asked if you had proof of anyone in the DCU calling the presence YWH. obviously it is you who can't stand to be wrong.

You asked what series it was, meaning you didn't know, meaning you havn't read the Lucifer series, meaning your opinion is based on a few scans and speculation, meaning it's worthless.

Originally posted by Astner
You asked what series it was, meaning you didn't know, meaning you havn't read the Lucifer series, meaning your opinion is based on a few scans and speculation, meaning it's worthless.
Dude, why are you still talking to him? We both know it's a waste of time. Do you have nothing better to do?

Originally posted by Astner
You asked what series it was, meaning you didn't know, meaning you havn't read the Lucifer series, meaning your opinion is based on a few scans and speculation, meaning it's worthless.

Your opinion is worthless when you don't own a damned comic of the DCU with the appearance of the presence. If you did, you'd know that the presence of the DCU proper is NOT YWH.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Dude, why are you still talking to him? We both know it's a waste of time. Do you have nothing better to do?
You're right. He's on ignore now, and will stay there.
And I won't bother reading his replies, as I've never seen anything good come out of them.

Originally posted by Astner
You asked what series it was, meaning you didn't know, meaning you havn't read the Lucifer series, meaning your opinion is based on a few scans and speculation, meaning it's worthless.
I knew what series it was. I wanted you to point it out. As In it's Vertigo. The drawing is all the same from Lucifer. K thanks.

Originally posted by Astner
You're right. He's on ignore now, and will stay there.
And I won't bother reading his replies, as I've never seen anything good come out of them.

Guys, I'm getting too many reports from these types of threads. I won't name people but I've spoken to you all before. Those of you who have been warned before are close to a banning. The others will get a warning and then I'll close the thread. If you can't get along then please use the ignore feature.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You know how you loook right? Please tell me you do. Takion Died holding off the GODWAVE. the Power that gives every superbeing and God in the cosmos thier power. A starving Galatus wouldn't compare. He died. If he had survived Id give him credit but I dont think he is anywhere near a starving Galactus or that he could survive one attack from Galactus let alone two.

Originally posted by Astner
Consession accepeted, you've not read the Lucifer series and are therefore should not be able to state your speculation regarding the series.
Your knowledge of Presence/Yahweh/God of Vertigo is non-existant--I will not longer debate it with you until you've read the series. Agreed. It is just speculation. You proved something while he hasnt.