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A terroristic virus causes a nation wide blackout in the United States. For some reason or another, CTU expects McClane to be the prime suspect. Bauer's objective is to find and kill McClane under any means necessary. In the middle of a traffic jam, Bauer spots McClane and opens fire. Under fire McClane disappears into a sea of people. He believes Bauer is merely another terrorist trying to kill him.


Bauer has no resources from CTU or backup manpower. It is nothing but Jack pursuing McClane in the midst of an overpopulated, distraught city.

Who wins?

Mclane.

His exploits are on an action hero level, and his ability to kick ass is much more exaggerated than Bauer. 24 is more realistic, therefore Jack would lose.

Did I make sense there?

Originally posted by Quincy
Mclane.

His exploits are on an action hero level, and his ability to kick ass is much more exaggerated than Bauer. 24 is more realistic, therefore Jack would lose.

Did I make sense there?

No, Jack Bauer is much more skilled than McClane. I mean he's just a policeman.

Jack Bauer boasts (apart from generally badass) being an ex-Delta Force member. Now before we say McClane (policeman) wins, lets do a little research on what level the Delta Force branch functions at.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, Jack Bauer is much more skilled than McClane. I mean he's just a policeman.

Jack Bauer boasts (apart from generally badass) being an ex-Delta Force member. Now before we say McClane (policeman) wins, lets do a little research on what level the Delta Force branch functions at.

Is it the kick-ass-alone-against-a-bunch-of-super-terrorists-thrice-and-then-once-more level?

^ Not sure what that means

Originally posted by Placidity
^ Not sure what that means

Yeah.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, Jack Bauer is much more skilled than McClane. I mean he's just a policeman.

Jack Bauer boasts (apart from generally badass) being an ex-Delta Force member. Now before we say McClane (policeman) wins, lets do a little research on what level the Delta Force branch functions at. kicking the shit outta Zee Germans.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, Jack Bauer is much more skilled than McClane. I mean he's just a policeman.

Jack Bauer boasts (apart from generally badass) being an ex-Delta Force member. Now before we say McClane (policeman) wins, lets do a little research on what level the Delta Force branch functions at.

That means nothing.

Rank doesn't mean a whole lot..

I think McClane is definitely more of a natural badass. I think it has taken Bauer many years of his life to break the threshold of badassness, but i do think, Bauer is definitely more experienced in tracking people and in assuming his opponents strategies. McClane, does have the split second reaction time as well, but his seems to be more instinctual than cerebral.

I envision, McClane trying to draw Bauer to him. maybe, blatantly leaving a trail through the city, hoping to lead Bauer into a trap. Whether or not McClane would be strategical enough to predict Bauer's actions. He would have the advantage of being pursued.

Am I a terrorist for never having seen a single episode of 24?

No, me neither.

Are you an active participant of this thread?

Originally posted by Devil King
Am I a terrorist for never having seen a single episode of 24?

No, just a kommunist.

Originally posted by Devil King
Are you an active participant of this thread? Yup.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yup.

But, how can one do so under the self-admitted ignorance of one half of the very debate in which you have decided to participate? I can't assume you don't have an answer, since you were so upfront about your lack of actual knowledge regarding the subjects of the discussion.

I never saw the 2nd Matrix movie. This is why I never participated in a discussion I knew nothing about, for sure.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
No, just a kommunist.

Hillary '08!

Originally posted by Devil King
But, how can one do so under the self-admitted ignorance of one half of the very debate in which you have decided to participate? I can't assume you don't have an answer, since you were so upfront about your lack of actual knowledge regarding the subjects of the discussion.

I never saw the 2nd Matrix movie. This is why I never participated in a discussion I knew nothing about, for sure. I know a bit about the character, even though I have never seen a full episode. I have seen bits and pieces, which is more than I can say for you. Are YOU an active participant of this thread?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know a bit about the character, even though I have never seen a full episode. I have seen bits and pieces, which is more than I can say for you. Are YOU an active participant of this thread?

No, I'm not an active participant in this thread. I'm a passive participant inthis thread. I have already admitted to not seeing even the opening credits of this program. This is why I don't pressume to participate in it.

Originally posted by Devil King
No, I'm not an active participant in this thread. I'm a passive participant inthis thread. I have already admitted to not seeing even the opening credits of this program. This is why I don't pressume to participate in it. And what are you doing now?

Breathing, and aging.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And what are you doing now?

Passively participating in a thread. Look up the terms in regards to a discussion if you don't understand them.

Originally posted by Devil King
Passively participating in a thread. Look up the terms in regards to a discussion if you don't understand them. No, I understand the meaning of the terms, and now that I think on it, I am more of a passive participant than an active one. But why do you feel the need to question me about it? Thats not passive, thats VERY active.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I understand the meaning of the terms, and now that I think on it, I am more of a passive participant than an active one. But why do you feel the need to question me about it? Thats not passive, thats VERY active.

As soon as the thread topic becomes: "Why is Rouge Jedi possibly full of shit", then you'll have a point. But, as it is, the topic is Jack Bauer (a character you admit to knowing little about) v John McClane.

Originally posted by Devil King
As soon as the thread topic becomes: "Why is Rouge Jedi possibly full of shit", then you'll have a point. But, as it is, the topic is Jack Bauer (a character you admit to knowing little about) v John McClane. Yeah, I'd be pissed too if someone called me out and made me look like an idiot.

McLane, while not as highly trained as Bauer, has a way of beating the odds time and time again. But Bauer is ex Delta force, not to mention he was in the CIA, I think.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I'd be pissed too if someone called me out and made me look like an idiot.

McLane, while not as highly trained as Bauer, has a way of beating the odds time and time again. But Bauer is ex Delta force, not to mention he was in the CIA, I think.

I'm not sure I'm the idiot. Especially since we have both admitted to not knowing enough about one half of the debate to speak from some measure of informed perspective. Neither am I trying to turn this into a debate about the merrits of two characters (one of which you have admitted to knowing little to nothing about) on which you are not fully informed. But, feel free to think you've "called me out", when you do nothing but exactly that for your own perspective, over and over and over again. I'm not following up my position with a rant about a character I've already admitted to knowing nothing about. Or, am I wrong in reading you saying you've never watched single episode of the show from which the central character your're arguing for?

And by the way, I don't give a shit about which of them wins. I just care that some members of a discussion aren't talking out of their ass.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not sure I'm the idiot. Especially since we have both admitted to not knowing enough about one half of the debate to speak from some measure of informed perspective. Neither am I trying to turn this into a debate about the merrits of two characters (one of which you have admitted to knowing little to nothing about) on which you are not fully informed. But, feel free to think you've "called me out", when you do nothing but exactly that for your own perspective, over and over and over again. I'm not following up my position with a rant about a character I've already admitted to knowing nothing about. Or, am I wrong in reading you saying you've never watched single episode of the show from which the central character your're arguing for?

And by the way, I don't give a shit about which of them wins. I just care that some members of a discussion aren't talking out of their ass. I'm not talking outta my ass. I know all there is to know about McLane, and I know a bit about Bauer's background and what he does for CTU.

I said I have seen bits and pieces of 24, 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there. I assumed you meant you had never seen a full episode, and I was saying neither had I.

At first, I thought McLane, with his tough guy mentality and incredible luck, would prevail, but now that I think on it, Jack is ex CIA, not to mention Delta Force.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'm not talking outta my ass. I know all there is to know about McLane, and I know a bit about Bauer's background and what he does for CTU.

I said I have seen bits and pieces of 24, 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there. I assumed you meant you had never seen a full episode, and I was saying neither had I.

At first, I thought McLane, with his tough guy mentality and incredible luck, would prevail, but now that I think on it, Jack is ex CIA, not to mention Delta Force.

Redefining an apparent claim is fine. You suddenly know it all and win, without question. I'm glad you and Mr. Willis, as well as Mr. Lucas, had this hippie moment-style pow-wow. I said I'd never seen an episode of 24, and you said you had not as well. Now, though, you have seen as much that one would need to in order to know all one needed to in order to speak from an informed perspective. It's amazing what a few posts and an inescapable profession of ignorance can do for a position. Congratulations, you have apparently and soundly excused yourself from speaking out of ill-informed ignorance on any number of topics.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
That means nothing.

Rank doesn't mean a whole lot..

Right Right... Its ok to admit you don't know anything about Delta Force. Its not about rank. Its about how good you have to be to get in, and the amount of advanced physical and tactical training that is involved.

What training does it take to get into a normal police force (not SWAT) ?

Originally posted by Devil King
Redefining an apparent claim is fine. You suddenly know it all and win, without question. I'm glad you and Mr. Willis, as well as Mr. Lucas, had this hippie moment-style pow-wow. I said I'd never seen an episode of 24, and you said you had not as well. Now, though, you have seen as much that one would need to in order to know all one needed to in order to speak from an informed perspective. It's amazing what a few posts and an inescapable profession of ignorance can do for a position. Congratulations, you have apparently and soundly excused yourself from speaking out of ill-informed ignorance on any number of topics. I know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.

I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.

See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.

It's not like I said cops can wear their uniforms while working extra jobs, is it?

Originally posted by Devil King
But, how can one do so under the self-admitted ignorance of one half of the very debate in which you have decided to participate? I can't assume you don't have an answer, since you were so upfront about your lack of actual knowledge regarding the subjects of the discussion.

I never saw the 2nd Matrix movie. This is why I never participated in a discussion I knew nothing about, for sure.

Calm down, DK.

Let's just enjoy the thread and have a debate. m'kay?

Originally posted by Placidity
Right Right... Its ok to admit you don't know anything about Delta Force. Its not about rank. Its about how good you have to be to get in, and the amount of advanced physical and tactical training that is involved.

What training does it take to get into a normal police force (not SWAT) ?

What does the training it needed have to do with the ability they have shown?

Originally posted by Impediment
Calm down, DK.

Let's just enjoy the thread and have a debate. m'kay?

Yes; lets. An informed debate.

Informed or not, let's debate. People can learn from such.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.

I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.

See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.

It's not like I said cops can wear their uniforms while working extra jobs, is it?

It's probably not good to suggest he's wrong for thinking he knows what's inside your head and then go on a long rant about why everyone comes here as if that's definitely why.

He was just saying you should honestly know about both sides when debating.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's probably not good to suggest he's wrong for thinking he knows what's inside your head and then go on a long rant about why everyone comes here as if that's definitely why.

He was just saying you should honestly know about both sides when debating.

-AC You didnt know both sides of the Neo/Luke thread when you stepped in, remember?

I did, technically.

I've seen all three of the movies he is in, multiple times. Same for Neo. Unless your point is that you think you're catching me out because I wasn't knowledgeable on a character that shouldn't have ever been in the thread, wasn't relevant and that I had no reason to really discuss.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I did, technically.

I've seen all three of the movies he is in, multiple times. Same for Neo. Unless your point is that you think you're catching me out because I wasn't knowledgeable on a character that shouldn't have ever been in the thread, wasn't relevant and that I had no reason to really discuss.

-AC At the time we were discussing NJO Luke, and you admitted to not knowing about him. You even did the research, remember?

Relevant or no, it's what was being discussed.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What does the training it needed have to do with the ability they have shown?

Once again, I don't think you understand what being in Delta Force means. It is comparable or even superior to the US Navy SEALs.
Only the best of the best ever make it through. Which means, he is among the best. Why does that seem hard for you to understand?

Also, one does not simply sign up to be a part of Delta Force. In fact, there is no such unit known for enlistment. People get selected because they are the best, not simply because one enlists for it. Eligible recruits must also have the rank of a Sergeant with about 4 years of service. And thats the minimum requirement, in reality you must have a very good history (number of successful high profile missions) to even get noticed.
Recruits that serve in the Delta Force undergo intense and one of the most advanced training compared to other global ops branches. I'm talking skill, intelligence and combat tactics and survival including under interrogation torture. In all 5 seasons, Jack Bauer has never been broken under torture, not even when the Chinese had him for 2 years to try to extract information from him.
You think all these skills come from practicing shooting a pistol at the police academy's shooting range and making a smart comment after a kill? Think again, skills like this only come from real mission experience and intense training that only top military branches in the world can provide.

Aside from his sheer physical superiority in every aspect, Jack Bauer is also clearly more intelligent than McClane. Although he works for CTU, most of the time he is working solo and gathers intel for himself and some of the time even with CTU working against him. The government and CTU have always made bad calls, but I don't recall Bauer ever making a wrong decision. He is intuitive and instinctive, and his instincts have always been right.

Hahaha, holy crap, I did some research and discovered something I didn't know about Bauer.
"Among his honors are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit" while serving in Delta Force.

No policeman will ever be more skilled and elite than a Delta Force Operator. If you believe otherwise, you're really showing that you know nothing regarding the military. You might consider sticking to comic book characters.

No offence, But I really find it ridiculous and ignorant that someone can say "it doesn't mean anything" to the achievement of being a Delta Force Operator.

i love how people actually get upset and angry in these kinds of debates as if they actually mean anything...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.

"You GDFer's"? So, this is the only thread outside the GDF you've seen me participate in? I haven't been bashing you, in this thread or any other in which we're interacting. I'm simply saying that you can't admit to not watching a show that is 1/2 of the discussion. I can assure you, I would never call you Yoda. My only point in this is that you can not sit here and fight a point with any certainty if you do not know what you're talking about. And I'm not addressing only this thread or any point you may have made, I'm talking about in general.

I asked, given the popularity of 24 and it's subject of terrorism and the current politial ideology of with us or with the terrorists, if I would be considered a terrorist for never having seen an episode of the show. To which you replied:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, me neither.



So, if I'm a GDF'er, what are you?

Originally posted by jaden101
i love how people actually get upset and angry in these kinds of debates as if they actually mean anything...

I love how people think I'm angry, as though I don't realize this thread isn't a life or death situation.

Originally posted by Devil King
"You GDFer's"? So, this is the only thread outside the GDF you've seen me participate in? I haven't been bashing you, in this thread or any other in which we're interacting. I'm simply saying that you can't admit to not watching a show that is 1/2 of the discussion. I can assure you, I would never call you Yoda. My only point in this is that you can not sit here and fight a point with any certainty if you do not know what you're talking about. And I'm not addressing only this thread or any point you may have made, I'm talking about in general.

I asked, given the popularity of 24 and it's subject of terrorism and the current politial ideology of with us or with the terrorists, if I would be considered a terrorist for never having seen an episode of the show. To which you replied:





So, if I'm a GDF'er, what are you?


Forget the GDF thing, I shouldn't have said that, just go with this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.

I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.






And:

Originally posted by Impediment
Calm down, DK.

Let's just enjoy the thread and have a debate. m'kay?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Forget the GDF thing, I shouldn't have said that, just go with this:





And:

Oh, so I'm the only one that said things that imply some measure of outrage?

I must have misunderstood the midol and girdle comment. Just because you thought I was angry or outraged, and said as much and a moderator decided to agree with your assumption, doesn't mean I was angry. I have never understood why a post that is more than 2 or 3 sentences is misconstrude into an angry rant. I'll reitterate my point: Don't actively participate in a thread by offering an opinion with any measure of certainty if you aren't informed enough to do so. And if you do, don't admit to not being informed.

Originally posted by Devil King
Oh, so I'm the only one that said things that imply some measure of outrage?

I must have misunderstood the midol and girdle comment. Just because you thought I was angry or outraged, and said as much and a moderator decided to agree with your assumption, doesn't mean I was angry. I have never understood why a post that is more than 2 or 3 sentences is misconstrude into an angry rant. I'll reitterate my point: Don't actively participate in a thread by offering an opinion with any measure of certainty if you aren't informed enough to do so. And if you do, don't admit to not being informed. OK, I said I know alot about McLane, and a bit about Bauer. I dont know all the details about 24, but the basic facts about Jacks capabilities I am aware of, more or less.

Originally posted by Placidity
Once again, I don't think you understand what being in Delta Force means. It is comparable or even superior to the US Navy SEALs.
Only the best of the best ever make it through. Which means, he is among the best. Why does that seem hard for you to understand?

Also, one does not simply sign up to be a part of Delta Force. In fact, there is no such unit known for enlistment. People get selected because they are the best, not simply because one enlists for it. Eligible recruits must also have the rank of a Sergeant with about 4 years of service. And thats the minimum requirement, in reality you must have a very good history (number of successful high profile missions) to even get noticed.
Recruits that serve in the Delta Force undergo intense and one of the most advanced training compared to other global ops branches. I'm talking skill, intelligence and combat tactics and survival including under interrogation torture. In all 5 seasons, Jack Bauer has never been broken under torture, not even when the Chinese had him for 2 years to try to extract information from him.
You think all these skills come from practicing shooting a pistol at the police academy's shooting range and making a smart comment after a kill? Think again, skills like this only come from real mission experience and intense training that only top military branches in the world can provide.

Aside from his sheer physical superiority in every aspect, Jack Bauer is also clearly more intelligent than McClane. Although he works for CTU, most of the time he is working solo and gathers intel for himself and some of the time even with CTU working against him. The government and CTU have always made bad calls, but I don't recall Bauer ever making a wrong decision. He is intuitive and instinctive, and his instincts have always been right.

Hahaha, holy crap, I did some research and discovered something I didn't know about Bauer.
"Among his honors are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit" while serving in Delta Force.

No policeman will ever be more skilled and elite than a Delta Force Operator. If you believe otherwise, you're really showing that you know nothing regarding the military. You might consider sticking to comic book characters.

No offence, But I really find it ridiculous and ignorant that someone can say "it doesn't mean anything" to the achievement of being a Delta Force Operator.

Yeah, see, "he was in the delta force", is one line you can put on any fictional character. What they actually show to be capable of should be what is important. If you have a total idiot character but then say he is a badass then your writing is bad. Anyways, it doesn't matter, what either of them actually did on screen is what is important.

Also, only read your first and last sentence, I assume the rest of it is trivial shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, I said I know alot about McLane, and a bit about Bauer. I dont know all the details about 24, but the basic facts about Jacks capabilities I am aware of, more or less.

You can backtrack faster than a Ferrari in reverse.

Originally posted by Devil King
You can backtrack faster than a Ferrari in reverse. Man....you just CANNOT let things go. crylaugh

You expect any one here to buy that you didn't understand what "never seen a single episode" meant?

Dude, let it go. I told you I thought you meant a FULL episode. Take it or leave it, as well as "anyone here."

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, let it go. I told you I thought you meant a FULL episode. Take it or leave it, as well as "anyone here."

I leave it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I leave it. Well of course YOU do.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well of course YOU do.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah....stop trying to justify....I left it. It's left. End of story.


Left.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah....stop trying to justify....I left it. It's left. End of story.


Left. You feel better now?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You feel better now?

Not better or worse. Since I left it. No net gain or loss.

Do you have the little problem that you always need to have the last word?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not better or worse. Since I left it. No net gain or loss.

Do you have the little problem that you always need to have the last word? so you think McLane would be able to evade the highly trained Bauer?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you think McLane would be able to evade the highly trained Bauer?

Not necessarily.

The luck you must have RJ, in having only seen bits and pieces of a show and they just happened to be the very bits and pieces one would need to have seen in order to take part in this thread as an informed poster.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not necessarily. The only edge McLane has is his incredible luck, and I dont think that is enough in this case.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The only edge McLane has is his incredible luck, and I dont think that is enough in this case.

I take it you changed your mind due to a sheepish awe of ranks, uniforms and authority?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I take it you changed your mind due to a sheepish awe of ranks, uniforms and authority? No, superior training.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, superior training.

What I thought.


Well, my contribution to this thread kinda ties in with what Devil King said, since I am not very aware of Bauer's skills, I did not comment on which of them won...sometimes it is wise to admit ignorance, RJ.

Originally posted by Bardock42
...sometimes it is wise to admit ignorance, RJ.

he did. It simply hasn't stopped him.

Originally posted by Devil King
I love how people think I'm angry, as though I don't realize this thread isn't a life or death situation.

i love it when people think the world revolves around them

Originally posted by Bardock42
What I thought.


Well, my contribution to this thread kinda ties in with what Devil King said, since I am not very aware of Bauer's skills, I did not comment on which of them won...sometimes it is wise to admit ignorance, RJ. The fact that Bauer is ex Delta AND ex CIA is proof enough. All we really know about McLane is that he is a cop.

Do the math.

Originally posted by jaden101
i love it when people think the world revolves around them

When the world in question is people telling me to calm down, it does. I never said you were talking about me. You made a point and I expanded on it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Do the math.


I read through the entire thread, my calculations tell me that once again, you're full of shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The fact that Bauer is ex Delta AND ex CIA is proof enough. All we really know about McLane is that he is a cop.

Do the math.

So, somehow, to you, someone else having CIA and Delta Force training, beats, the other character doing shit that is ACTUALLY FAR ABOVE ANY REAL CIA AGENT OR DELTA FORCE MEMBER...


Where's the logic again?


Thought so, can we go over to what the cats actually did on screen now, and leave whatever a horrible writer felt appropriate to add out?

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, somehow, to you, someone else having CIA and Delta Force training, beats, the other character doing shit that is ACTUALLY FAR ABOVE ANY REAL CIA AGENT OR DELTA FORCE MEMBER...


Where's the logic again?


Thought so, can we go over to what the cats actually did on screen now, and leave whatever a horrible writer felt appropriate to add out? Tell me, how did McLane manage to survive his exploits? Despite being a badass with a leprechaun as a guardian angel?

Originally posted by Robtard
I read through the entire thread, my calculations tell me that once again, you're full of shit. So, by your....."calculations"....McLane escapes?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tell me, how did McLane manage to survive his exploits? Despite being a badass with a leprechaun as a guardian angel?

I assume the being a really skilled badass part is partly important. Sure, in many cases luck is absolutely on his side. But the man did shit that is certainly Special Forces caliber, don't you think?

It was a combination of quick thinking, resourcefulness, fighting prowess and durability.

Originally posted by Devil King
When the world in question is people telling me to calm down, it does.

hahaha..i've read some egotistical things in my time but that's definitely up there with the best of them

Originally posted by jaden101
hahaha..i've read some egotistical things in my time but that's definitely up there with the best of them

You sure the word "egoistical" is in any way appropriate?

I'm curious as to who you were referring to when you said:

"I love how people actually get upset and angry in these kinds of debates as if they actually mean anything"?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I assume the being a really skilled badass part is partly important. Sure, in many cases luck is absolutely on his side. But the man did shit that is certainly Special Forces caliber, don't you think? No argument there.

But Bauer with his CIA training, covert and dark Ops shit, in addition to being a badass, I see him running down McLane. Not saying McLane wont put up a fight though.

McLane, despite being resilient, tends to rely on the help of others.

Originally posted by jaden101
hahaha..i've read some egotistical things in my time but that's definitely up there with the best of them

Read back, you will see several people telling me to calm down and that I'm angry. I thought the point you made was nicely made and added my own to it. This is why my comment does revolve around me. I was not addressing you directly.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was a combination of quick thinking, resourcefulness, fighting prowess and durability. Traits both combatants share, yes?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No argument there.

But Bauer with his CIA training, covert and dark Ops shit, in addition to being a badass, I see him running down McLane. Not saying McLane wont put up a fight though.

McLane, despite being resilient, tends to rely on the help of others.

Look, mate, all I am saying is, bring on some of the magical feats of Bauer we hear about. Someone said he was Special Forces, someone said he was highly decorated....cool, and I am happy if that is good writing, but what tells us that he wasn't just a lazy bum that happened to sleep with the right guys wife to achieve that? Indeed, nothing. So what actions he actually performed on screen, show us that he could beat McClane. Lets get some of those on, except for his history.


You know what I mean, if he would just act like a clumsy fool all through 24 and someone told me, but yeah, he was a Navy Seal, and he saved the President's life ten times, and he brought down the Soviet Union by himself...then that would just be horrible writing, and you'd ask "Yeah? What happened since then to make him such a loser". You get my concerns?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Traits both combatants share, yes?

Can't comment on Bauer, never watched 24. Keifer does look flimsy though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You know what I mean, if he would just act like a clumsy fool all through 24 and someone told me, but yeah, he was a Navy Seal, and he saved the President's life ten times, and he brought down the Soviet Union by himself...then that would just be horrible writing, and you'd ask "Yeah? What happened since then to make him such a loser". You get my concerns?

Well, then he would just be a combination of Maxwell Smart, Inspector Gadget and the Pink Pather.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, mate, all I am saying is, bring on some of the magical feats of Bauer we hear about. Someone said he was Special Forces, someone said he was highly decorated....cool, and I am happy if that is good writing, but what tells us that he wasn't just a lazy bum that happened to sleep with the right guys wife to achieve that? Indeed, nothing. So what actions he actually performed on screen, show us that he could beat McClane. Lets get some of those on, except for his history.


You know what I mean, if he would just act like a clumsy fool all through 24 and someone told me, but yeah, he was a Navy Seal, and he saved the President's life ten times, and he brought down the Soviet Union by himself...then that would just be horrible writing, and you'd ask "Yeah? What happened since then to make him such a loser". You get my concerns? I get your point. But....

One's background have no bearing here? Let's Say we are led to believe McLane is a deadeye sniper in the Die Hard movies, an ex Marine Corp sniper. but we never see him as a sniper onscreen.....Are his sniper skills going to come into play here?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I get your point. But....

One's background have no bearing here? Let's Say we are led to believe McLane is a deadeye sniper in the Die Hard movies, an ex Marine Corp sniper. but we never see him as a sniper onscreen.....Are his sniper skills going to come into play here?

Is a good question. Though the scenario is obviously different. Here we are solely supposed to go by their apparent training...with no backing of what they actually did on screen. Especially since they were probably pushed to their limits on screen, that should certainly be discussed first. If it's a close call, fair enough...but just

A: McClane owned hundreds of terrorists
B: Yeah, but it is said that Bauer had Delta Force training a long time ago.

doesn't cover it, does it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Is a good question. Though the scenario is obviously different. Here we are solely supposed to go by their apparent training...with no backing of what they actually did on screen. Especially since they were probably pushed to their limits on screen, that should certainly be discussed first. If it's a close call, fair enough...but just

A: McClane owned hundreds of terrorists
B: Yeah, but it is said that Bauer had Delta Force training a long time ago.

doesn't cover it, does it? Well, I guess you got a point, maybe he forgot some of the Delta training, maybe he isn't physically the same as he was then, maybe this and that.

It is his CIA training that I tend to focus on however.

The CIA can't find Osama, McClane will easily pull a Keyser Soze.

Originally posted by Robtard
The CIA can't find Osama, McClane will easily pull a Keyser Soze. another good point.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm curious as to who you were referring to when you said:

"I love how people actually get upset and angry in these kinds of debates as if they actually mean anything"?

well the clue is in the "these kinds of debates" bit

this being representative of all the rather out-of-hand verses debates....take the neo v luke one...which is actually laughable





no...but egotistical is

Originally posted by jaden101
well the clue is in the "these kinds of debates" bit

this being representative of all the rather out-of-hand verses debates....take the neo v luke one...which is actually laughable




You Scottish baboon. Which people in this particular thread?

Originally posted by Robtard
You Scottish baboon. Which people in this particular thread? I doubt he names names.

Originally posted by Robtard
You Scottish baboon. Which people in this particular thread?

we dont have baboons in Scotland...just lots of Neds...which are close enough

lots of people...in lots of threads...having utterly futile debates and talking as if they know the facts and everyone else that doesn't agree is an idiot...when the fact is you can argue definitively either way BECAUSE IT'S ALL ****ING FICTION

Originally posted by jaden101
lots of people...in lots of threads...having utterly futile debates and talking as if they know the facts and everyone else that doesn't agree is an idiot...when the fact is you can argue definitively either way BECAUSE IT'S ALL ****ING FICTION

I'm not sure how I can be the egotistical one, when I said this at the beginning of the thread:

Originally posted by Devil King
And by the way, I don't give a shit about which of them wins.

And what's more egotistical? To enter a thread and tell everyone in it they might be idiots for arguing the merrits of two fictional characters, depending on how seriously they take the topic or someone who points out not knowing anything about one of the two characters should exclude someone from participating? And then, because I use more than 5 words to do it, everyone tells me I'm angry

Jaden and Devil King: stop this and get back on topic.

Bauer's the man, but McClane ****ing blew up a helicopter with a car. Thats just badass to a new degree.

Originally posted by Impediment
Jaden and Devil King: stop this and get back on topic. See what I mean?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See what I mean?

and I see it doesn't stop you from cracking your mouth to keep it going. your wide, hutt-like mouth.

Originally posted by Devil King
and I see it doesn't stop you from cracking your mouth to keep it going. your wide, hutt-like mouth. Hello Mr. Pot, I am the Kettle.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hello Mr. Pot, I am the Kettle.

I don't think myself, Jaden or Impediment addressed you, but you coudn't help but slurping up that frog, could you? You know what you're doing.

Originally posted by Devil King
I don't think myself, Jaden or Impediment addressed you, but you coudn't help but slurping up that frog, could you? You know what you're doing. Slurping up the frog? haermm

I have made every attempt to get back on track here, but you just keep going on and on and on and on and on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, see, "he was in the delta force", is one line you can put on any fictional character. What they actually show to be capable of should be what is important. If you have a total idiot character but then say he is a badass then your writing is bad. Anyways, it doesn't matter, what either of them actually did on screen is what is important.

Also, only read your first and last sentence, I assume the rest of it is trivial shit.

You know what, screw you, you're full of shit.

"What they did on screen is important".

Yeah no shit its important, maybe you should actually watch 24 before you open your mouth and spout crap.

In Every episode of 24, Bauer's skills are evident. You're a dumb shit who thinks McClane, who lost to some chick in H2H, can beat a Delta Force Operator.

Hahaha its so funny how you continue to say being in the Delta Force is just a rank and it doesnt mean anything. Lol, you really don't know anything about the military. So like I said before, stick to comic book characters or at least don't pretend you know what you are talking about when you clearly don't.

and there's the kind of thing i was talking about

shazam

egotistical to point out what should be the blatently obvious?

LMAO...

I just had a look at your profile Bardock and I gotta say its quite hilarious!

Now that I know who I am talking too, I don't even care what you have to say anymore.

Hmm.. Is it also a coincidence that Bruce Willis happens to be on your list of "Favourite Movie Stars" ? I suspect not! hahahaha...idiot.

I think I was quite right about you knowing nothing about the military aswell. Judging by your pic (which is at the very bottom of his profile guys), I'd say you never lifted anything heavier than a pack of chips.

Have a nice day!

Originally posted by Placidity
You know what, screw you, you're full of shit.

"What they did on screen is important".

Yeah no shit its important, maybe you should actually watch 24 before you open your mouth and spout crap.

In Every episode of 24, Bauer's skills are evident. You're a dumb shit who thinks McClane, who lost to some chick in H2H, can beat a Delta Force Operator.

Hahaha its so funny how you continue to say being in the Delta Force is just a rank and it doesnt mean anything. Lol, you really don't know anything about the military. So like I said before, stick to comic book characters or at least don't pretend you know what you are talking about when you clearly don't.

Originally posted by Placidity
LMAO...

I just had a look at your profile Bardock and I gotta say its quite hilarious!

Now that I know who I am talking too, I don't even care what you have to say anymore.

Hmm.. Is it also a coincidence that Bruce Willis happens to be on your list of "Favourite Movie Stars" ? I suspect not! hahahaha...idiot.

I think I was quite right about you knowing nothing about the military aswell. Judging by your pic (which is at the very bottom of his profile guys), I'd say you never lifted anything heavier than a pack of chips.

Have a nice day!

Did I enrage you a bit? As you should have gathered by ... well, hopefully reading the thread, I never said McClane would win.

Originally posted by Placidity
You know what, screw you, you're full of shit.

"What they did on screen is important".

Yeah no shit its important, maybe you should actually watch 24 before you open your mouth and spout crap.

In Every episode of 24, Bauer's skills are evident. You're a dumb shit who thinks McClane, who lost to some chick in H2H, can beat a Delta Force Operator.

Hahaha its so funny how you continue to say being in the Delta Force is just a rank and it doesnt mean anything. Lol, you really don't know anything about the military. So like I said before, stick to comic book characters or at least don't pretend you know what you are talking about when you clearly don't.

Originally posted by Placidity
LMAO...

I just had a look at your profile Bardock and I gotta say its quite hilarious!

Now that I know who I am talking too, I don't even care what you have to say anymore.

Hmm.. Is it also a coincidence that Bruce Willis happens to be on your list of "Favourite Movie Stars" ? I suspect not! hahahaha...idiot.

I think I was quite right about you knowing nothing about the military aswell. Judging by your pic (which is at the very bottom of his profile guys), I'd say you never lifted anything heavier than a pack of chips.

Have a nice day!

Consider youself warned for member bashing, Placidity. Do not do it again. That was uncalled for.

Everyone else, please get back on topic and quit the needless macho display of back-and-forth.

are you talking about gay sex...like...between mcclane and bauer?

good to see they dont have to kill each other now then

Originally posted by jaden101
are you talking about gay sex...like...between mcclane and bauer?

good to see they dont have to kill each other now then

Originally posted by Quincy
Mclane.

His exploits are on an action hero level Uhh, he is an action hero.

crylaugh