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No holds bar, these guys are really trying to get rid of each other for good.

No rules.

Who wins.

IMO, I see it going on for ever with no victor.

Originally posted by SouthSpawn
IMO, I see it going on for ever with no victor. Mxy could win if he teleported MJJ to unspace as soon as the battle starts, and destroyed him there.

Barring that, this battle would go on forever imo.

Mxy destroys all reality for the win. MJJ has nothing to warp then.

Mr Myx for the win

Imo there are two possible scenarios

Either Eternal Stalemate

Ore Mxy takes MJJ to unspace, (ore makes unspace not sure if he can do it within Jaspers warp though)

Originally posted by fangirl101

Mxy destroys all reality for the win. MJJ has nothing to warp then.
Mxy should win
cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there
and allow himself to be thrown into un-space. dur

But seriously folks, this is a stalemate.

Also, erasing reality around Jaspers isn't going to work,
Merlin knew this, that's why they didn't even try it,
even though they succeeded in doing that to 238 Jaspers.

Mxy will just have to battle Jaspers like a man. (hence stalemate)


btw. The only reason the Fury was able to execute that bfr move,
is because the Fury was nearly immune to 616 Jaspers' power,
otherwise, that cheese would've never worked.

Should be a stalemate

goes on forever.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Mxy should win
cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there
and allow himself to be thrown into un-space. dur

But seriously folks, this is a stalemate.

Also, erasing reality around Jaspers isn't going to work,
Merlin knew this, that's why they didn't even try it,
even though they succeeded in doing that to 238 Jaspers.

Mxy will just have to battle Jaspers like a man. (hence stalemate)


btw. The only reason the Fury was able to execute that bfr move,
is because the Fury was nearly immune to 616 Jaspers' power,
otherwise, that cheese would've never worked.

And mxy wouldn't be TOTALLY immune to Jasper's power? He would.

Hmm. Probably stalemate.

Mxy has two or Three credible wins on the Spectre. He's got a scene or two where he's seen as the Spectre's Near equal.

I'd say that puts him above Jaspers. IMO.

Originally posted by fangirl101

And mxy wouldn't be TOTALLY immune to Jasper's power?

He would.
And of course you have proof right?

Wrong.
Originally posted by fangirl101

Mxy has two or Three credible wins on the Spectre.
He's got a scene or two where he's seen as the Spectre's Near equal.
And Matrix Merlin (absolute Omniversal power) <<< 238 Jaspers

616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers.

The ONLY being to defeat Jaspers was the Fury (his personal plot device)
Originally posted by fangirl101

I'd say that puts him above Jaspers. IMO.
Originally posted by SouthSpawn

IMO, I see it going on for ever with no victor.
Originally posted by Galan007

this battle would go on forever imo.
Originally posted by Utrigita

Eternal Stalemate
Originally posted by Mr Master

But seriously folks, this is a stalemate.
Originally posted by guy222

Should be a stalemate
Originally posted by carnage52

goes on forever.
Originally posted by celestialdemon

Probably stalemate.
... I agree with these sensible posts.

The common denominator (as usual) is the only opinion that differs.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And of course you have proof right?

Wrong.

And Matrix Merlin (absolute Omniversal power) <<< 238 Jaspers

616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers.

The ONLY being to defeat Jaspers was the Fury (his personal plot device)








... I agree with these sensible posts.

The common denominator (as usual) is the only opinion that differs.

These are all opinions. There are many opinions that sway one way or another. a multitude of opinions does not make them the correct opinion as they are all opinion. Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>merlyn. So what ever merlyn couldn't do to any jaspers is of no concern to me since I mentioned Spectre. A correct comeback from you would have been showing jaspers BEATING someone on spectre's level. He hasn't. He never will.

Originally posted by fangirl101

These are all opinions. There are many opinions that sway one way or another. a multitude of opinions does not make them the correct opinion as they are all opinion.
And everyone's opinion happens to be the same but yours.
Originally posted by fangirl101

Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>merlyn.
Why, cause you say so?
Originally posted by fangirl101

So what ever merlyn couldn't do to any jaspers is of no concern to me since I mentioned Spectre.
So what ever Spectre couldn't do to Mxy, is of no concern to me either.

Originally posted by fangirl101

A correct comeback from you would have been showing jaspers BEATING someone on spectre's level.
He hasn't. He never will.
A correct comeback from you would have been showing jaspers getting beaten at all,
by someone either than his plot device.
You can't and you never will.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And everyone's opinion happens to be the same but yours.

Why, cause you say so?

So what ever Spectre couldn't do to Mxy, is of no concern to me either.


A correct comeback from you would have been showing jaspers getting beaten at all,
by someone either than his plot device.
You can't and you never will.

Who cares? I can't show the ghost of christmas past getting beaten either. doesn't mean he can't be beaten. that logic is terrible and REDICULOUS. Mxy BFR"s MJJ same as he did to another "unbeatable" entity. Or he binds jaspers to his own reality as the joker did the spectre. As if I care if everyone's opinion differs from mine.

After fighting for x-length of time Mxy will realize he needs to teleport Jaspers and will do so. He is resistant to Jasper's powers of course or else it wouldn't be a stalemate.

Originally posted by fangirl101

that logic is terrible and REDICULOUS.
Nothing more ridiculous your posts.
Originally posted by fangirl101

Mxy BFR"s MJJ same as he did to another "unbeatable" entity.
Yea, cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there and wait to be bfr'd anywhere.

Didn't know this was flip a coin to see who strikes first.
Originally posted by fangirl101

Or he binds jaspers to his own reality as the joker did the spectre.
Jaspers turns Mxy into dog food and feeds him to ooboo.
Originally posted by fangirl101

As if I care if everyone's opinion differs from mine.
I know you don't care about being wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nothing more ridiculous your posts.

Yea, cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there and wait to be bfr'd anywhere.

Didn't know this was flip a coin to see who strikes first.

Jaspers turns Mxy into a dog food and feeds him to ooboo.

I know you don't care about being wrong.
Mxy has shown the Greater reality manipulation powers and the greater effect. jaspers has never wiped away all reality. He has never beaten a being on par with the spectre fully backed. He has never beaten a being like the alien entity as mxy has. Mxy just has the better feats. saying jaspers hasn't been defeated isn't true, since he's been dead and didn't ressurect himself.

Originally posted by King Kandy

After fighting for x-length of time Mxy will realize he needs to teleport Jaspers

and will do so.

He is resistant to Jasper's powers of course or else it wouldn't be a stalemate.
Same crap on both sides,
if Mxy is resistant to Jaspers' powers,
then Jaspers is resistant to Mxy's powers as well.

So no one is teleporting anyone, anywhere.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same crap on both sides,
if Mxy is resistant to Jaspers' powers,
then Jaspers is resistant to Mxy's powers as well.

So no one is teleporting anyone, anywhere.
why would mxy need to teleport jaspers anywhere? when he could simpy teleport everything into entropy? A null void would be left. What would jaspers use to fight then?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same crap on both sides,
if Mxy is resistant to Jaspers' powers,
then Jaspers is resistant to Mxy's powers as well.

So no one is teleporting anyone, anywhere.
Jaspers couldn't be hurt by the Fury, but the Fury still teleported him. Same thing will go here. Unless Jaspers actively tries to stop being teleported.

Since they fight ten matches in KMC, i'm seeing the first going to mxy due to teleportation and then the next 9 being stalemates because Jaspers would catch on. So I guess that's some sort of victory on Mxy's part.

Mxy has shown to be able to work with Nothing. Jaspers cannot say the same thing. Nothingness for the win.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Mxy has shown the Greater reality manipulation powers and the greater effect.
False.
Originally posted by fangirl101

jaspers has never wiped away all reality.
Inconsequential.

Merlin manipulated the life force of the ENTIRE Omniverse.

All that power, over ALL Creation,
meant nothing to 238 Jaspers who thwarted Merlin's absolute Omniversal power.
Originally posted by fangirl101

He has never beaten a being on par with the spectre fully backed.
You mean when Mxy defeated Spectre by cracking a planet over his head?

... "Wrath of God?" ... what a joke.
Originally posted by fangirl101

He has never beaten a being like the alien entity as mxy has.
Again, power over all creation means nothing.

238 Jaspers > matrix/Merlin

616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers.
Originally posted by fangirl101

saying jaspers hasn't been defeated isn't true,
since he's been dead and didn't ressurect himself.
Jaspers was killed by his personal plot device.

But the Omniversal power (over all creation) of Melin's was nothing to Jaspers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You mean when Mxy defeated Spectre by cracking a planet over his head?

"Wrath of God?" ... what a joke. More like when Emperor Joker literally replaced Spectre - then imprisoned him.

And the wrath of God is no joke - Mxy's just that powerful.

Originally posted by Mr Master False.Inconsequential.Merlin manipulated the life force of the ENTIRE Omniverse.All that power, over ALL Creation, meant nothing to 238 Jaspers who thwarted Merlin's absolute Omniversal power.You mean when Mxy defeated Spectre by cracking a planet over his head? ... "Wrath of God?"_ ... what a joke._Again, power over all creation means nothing.238 Jaspers > matrix/Merlin616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers._Jaspers was killed by his personal plot device.But the Omniversal power (over all creation) of Melin's was nothing to Jaspers. Merlyn never showed he had the power over all the omniverse for it's total destruction. he used the life force to make a machine that could obliterate universes at a time. a bit different than all encompassing power. belittling the spectre doesn't change who he is or mxy's feat. we dont' know how the planet was changed in mxy's hand. U using 238 jaspers has NOTHING to do with merlyn and 616 jaspers. Mxy has shown that he can defeat Undefeatable beings. If you believe jaspers is that, then he still would be beaten by mxy who has the feat of doing so.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Jaspers couldn't be hurt by the Fury, but the Fury still teleported him.
Same thing will go here.
I disagree.

Fury was created to resist Jaspers' power,
on top of that, Fury's power set is to figure out your weakness,
on top of that, he only knew of a location where there was un-space,
because the Fury was there when his universe was erased.

Those are stipulations friend,
stipulations that do NOT relate to Mxy.


Again, matrix/Merlin < 238 Jaspers

616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers.

The Fury was Jaspers' plot device.
Originally posted by King Kandy

Unless Jaspers actively tries to stop being teleported.
Nah, Jaspers is just gonna stand there and wait to be teleported.

That's a joke.
Originally posted by King Kandy

Since they fight ten matches in KMC, i'm seeing the first going to mxy due to teleportation and then the next 9 being stalemates because Jaspers would catch on. So I guess that's some sort of victory on Mxy's part.
I disagree.

It's a stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007

More like when Emperor Joker
literally replaced Spectre - then imprisoned him.
Hey that's cool.

Merlin with power over all creation was below 238 Jaspers.

616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers.

Nice feats on both sides.
Originally posted by Galan007

And the wrath of God is no joke - Mxy's just that powerful.
Cool, matrix/Merlin was no joke, Jaspers (238) was just that powerful as well.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

Fury was created to resist Jaspers' power,
on top of that, Fury's power set is to figure out your weakness,
on top of that, he only knew of a location where there was un-space,
because the Fury was there when his universe was erased.

Those are stipulations friend,
stipulations that do NOT relate to Mxy.
Well it won't be hard for mxy to locate un-space since he has cosmic senses. Actually though I agree he may have trouble figuring out Jasper's weakness, but he has all eternity to get it right. As for resisting his powers, you've already said he can do so since you think he stalemates.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey that's cool. I wasn't comparing them. Just reminding you that even a novice with Mxy's power was able to beat one of the most powerful characters in DC, with extreme ease.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Merlyn never showed he had the power over all the omniverse for it's total destruction.
he used the life force to make a machine that could obliterate universes at a time.
a bit different than all encompassing power.
And the fallacies based on ignorance have started,

I was wondering how long it would take.


The truth.

Merlin created Otherworld from scratch. (a magical Universe)
Merlin created the Starlight Citadel. (an Omniversal Nexus)
Merlin created the Celestial Nullifier. (can destroy any Universe in the entire Omniverse)

The way this is possible,
is because Merlin fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into individual tiny crystals,
each crystal representing the life-force of an entire Universe.

Simply place a crystal in the Celestial Nullifier, crystal is crushed, no more Universe.


All encompassing power in the absolute sense.
Originally posted by fangirl101

belittling the spectre doesn't change who he is or mxy's feat.
we dont' know how the planet was changed in mxy's hand.
It's not my intention to nip pick,
but you do it in every single thread,
I thought I might oblige.
Originally posted by fangirl101

U using 238 jaspers has NOTHING to do with merlyn and 616 jaspers.
Only that 238 Jaspers is a FAR weaker counter-part to 616 Jaspers..

238 Jaspers >>> matrix/Merlin

616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers
Originally posted by fangirl101

Mxy has shown that he can defeat Undefeatable beings. If you believe jaspers is that, then he still would be beaten by mxy who has the feat of doing so.
Whatever you say.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Jaspers couldn't be hurt by the Fury, but the Fury still teleported him. Same thing will go here. Unless Jaspers actively tries to stop being teleported.

Since they fight ten matches in KMC, i'm seeing the first going to mxy due to teleportation and then the next 9 being stalemates because Jaspers would catch on. So I guess that's some sort of victory on Mxy's part. I'd tend to agree.

Creating from nothingness, is an obvious advantage Mxy has here. Remove Jaspers from his sketchboard , and he's all but powerless. But as you said, that tactic may not work more than once. So Mxy probably takes 1 - and the other 9 = stalemate.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Well it won't be hard for mxy to locate un-space since he has cosmic senses.
"Un-Space" is not an empty are of space awaiting birth.

"Un-Space" is the aftermath of universal nullification.

So he would need to find a precise location that has been nullified.
Originally posted by King Kandy

Actually though I agree he may have trouble figuring out Jasper's weakness,
but he has all eternity to get it right.
If they stalemate, they cancel each other out.
Originally posted by King Kandy

As for resisting his powers,
you've already said he can do so since you think he stalemates.
Same goes for Mxy.

Which is why it's a stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007

I wasn't comparing them.
Just reminding you that even a novice with Mxy's power was able to beat one of the most powerful characters in DC, with extreme ease.
Cool, I'm entertaining myself with fangirl,
so don't take to heart what I say against Spectre.

On the other hand,
novice or not, that's DC's problem.

In Marvel, one of the most powerful being in the Omniverse,
with power over the all Time/Space,
couldn't do anything to 238 Jaspers,
and as we know, that's the far weaker version.

So again,
they both have high end uberdiculous feats,
which is why I said from the beginning ... stalemate.

If Fury had been 100% immune to Jaspers and not teleported him, the fight would have been an eternal stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007

Creating from nothingness, is an obvious advantage Mxy has here.
I don't see how that makes any difference at all.

This is a battle, not a creation contest.
Originally posted by Galan007

Remove Jaspers from his sketchboard ,
and he's all but powerless.
That's so simple to write.

But in reality,
there's no evidence of any kind that Mxy would be able to do that to Jaspers.
Originally posted by Galan007

But as you said, that tactic may not work more than once.
So Mxy probably takes 1 - and the other 9 = stalemate.
Based on that self-created scenario, sure.

But actually, Jaspers can't do anything to Mxy,
and Mxy can't do anything to Jaspers.

Stalemate!

Originally posted by Mr Master And the fallacies based on ignorance have started,I was wondering how long it would take.The truth.Merlin created Otherworld from scratch. (a magical Universe)Merlin created the Starlight Citadel. (an Omniversal Nexus)Merlin created the Celestial Nullifier. (can destroy any Universe in the entire Omniverse)The way this is possible,is because Merlin fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into individual tiny crystals,each crystal representing the life-force of an entire Universe.Simply place a crystal in the Celestial Nullifier, crystal is crushed, no more Universe.All encompassing power in the absolute sense._It's not my intention to nip pick,but you do it in every single thread,I thought I might oblige._Only that 238 Jaspers is a FAR weaker counter-part to 616 Jaspers..238 Jaspers >>> matrix/Merlin616 Jaspers >>> 238 Jaspers_Whatever you say.
So all of those feats you have for merlyn have you thinkin he's anywhere near mxy or spectre's power level? OMG. None of those feats scream omniversal destructive power or creative power. just manipulation.

What ever the relation jaspers has to his other counter part doesn't really weigh in on this fight. Since merlyn is less than mxy and the spectre and the Ultimator. All of whom I've talking about. Let's see jaspers beat the alient entity or the LT and then I'd say you have a real fight. You condesend in every single thread, but I still oblige a good argument.

Mxy's power has warped the Spectre. Mxy himself has entrapped the Ultimator. And he's literally wiped the page clean of anything. How would MJJ react to that?

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel, one of the most powerful being in the Omniverse,
with power over the all Time/Space,
couldn't do anything to 238 Jaspers,
and as we know, that's the far weaker version. I don't follow. A device Merlin created , was responsible for wiping out the 238 universe, as well as that universe's version of Jaspers.

So Merlin was > 238 Jaspers .

Originally posted by King Kandy

If Fury had been 100% immune to Jaspers and not teleported him,
the fight would have been an eternal stalemate.
Right, but neither of them were 100% immune to each other,
this is why Fury was even able to pull off the bfr.

If two combatants are equally matched,
they cancel each other's powers out,
hence, an eternal stalemate as you mentioned.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, but neither of them were 100% immune to each other,
this is why Fury was even able to pull off the bfr.

If two combatants are equally matched,
they cancel each other's powers out,
hence, an eternal stalemate as you mentioned.
My point: It's an eternal stalemate only until one of them figures out an exploitable weakness in the other, then it's anyone's game.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't see how that makes any difference at all. ??

Once in unspace, one of them would be at full power - while the other would not. Quite a big difference, no?

Originally posted by Mr Master
But in reality,
there's no evidence of any kind that Mxy would be able to do that to Jaspers.Not surprising. They are different characters, from different companies.

So naturally there's no direct evidence that Mxy can affect Jaspers. I'm just going by what each character has done, or is capable of doing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But actually, Jaspers can't do anything to Mxy,
and Mxy can't do anything to Jaspers. In your opinion. But in my opinion, Mxy could affect Jaspers .

Entropy dump for the initial win!

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't follow.
A device Merlin created ,
was responsible for wiping out the 238 universe,
as well as that universe's version of Jaspers.

So Merlin was > 238 Jaspers .
Not exactly, the continuum was erased,
and as a result, so was 238 Jaspers,
his durability wwas not equal to 616 Jaspers.

But Merlin had nothing on 238 Jaspers in direct confrontation.

Merlin's own words,

238 Jaspers thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlin's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8343/jjgo1.th.jpg

I'm not sure how this is a stalemate. Jaspers lost to an adaptable machine who happened to have some form of self control over it's own being.

He was also weak to an area that had no reality to manipulate.

These are easy stipulations for Mxy to recreate. Mxy is a being from a higher dimension. These guys do what Jaspers does as a natural ability as easy as breathing for a regular human being.

Merlin is an omniversal guardian sure, but is that really a power level or a role? Similar to Alexander Luthors role in infinite crisis. The guy recreated a multiverse and could combine them in any combination with ease.

Those roles wouldn't make me believe that Merlin or Alex could defeat Galactus in a straight vs battle though.

I'll have to take Mxy for the win for now. Even Joker playing around with the idea of recreating the Amalgam universe, or the IC is serious business.

Originally posted by fangirl101

So all of those feats you have for merlyn have you thinkin he's anywhere near mxy or spectre's power level? OMG. None of those feats scream omniversal destructive power or creative power. just manipulation.
You're back on ignore.

I'm not in the mood to deal with intransigence today.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly, the continuum was erased,
and as a result, so was 238 Jaspers,
his durability wwas not equal to 616 Jaspers.

But Merlin had nothing on 238 Jaspers in direct confrontation.

Merlin's own words,

238 Jaspers thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlin's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8343/jjgo1.th.jpg Like I said, "in a manner of speaking", Merlin was > 238 Jaspers.

Originally posted by Galan007

Once in unspace, one of them would be at full power -
while the other would not. Quite a big difference, no?
You said Mxy can create from nothingness,
that's what I was replying to.

Originally posted by Galan007

Not surprising. They are different characters, from different companies.

So naturally there's no direct evidence that Mxy can affect Jaspers.
I'm just going by what each character has done, or is capable of doing.
Me too, which is why I said stalemate.
Originally posted by Galan007
In your opinion. But in my opinion, Mxy could affect Jaspers .

Entropy dump for the initial win!
In your opinion. But in my opinion,
Mxy couldn't affect Jaspers in way, and vice versa.

Jaspers turns him into a pickle to make his sandwich tastier ftw.

See, I can do that too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're back on ignore.

I'm not in the mood to deal with intransigence today.

I'm sure it's easier to ignore and insult than deal with a reasonable questioning of an obvious attempt to win a debate that cannot be won.

I've never understood the un-space feat done on MJJ. He and the Fury are still a part of reality, so Jaspers should have still been able to affect the both of them. Oh well.

Originally posted by Avlon

I'm not sure how this is a stalemate.
Jaspers lost to an adaptable machine w
ho happened to have some form of self control over it's own being.
Jaspers lost to his personal plot device.

btw. That machine withstood destruction (CN) that not even Eternity/Infinity can,
or anyone it's been used on in Marvel for that matter.

Don't make the Fury sound so simple friend.
Originally posted by Avlon
He was also weak to an area that had no reality to manipulate.

These are easy stipulations for Mxy to recreate.
Unless Mxy read Jaspers handbook bio, I don't see him re-creating anything.
Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy is a being from a higher dimension. These guys do what Jaspers does as a natural ability as easy as breathing for a regular human being.
"higher dimension?"

That's inconsequential in Marvel.
Originally posted by Avlon

Merlin is an omniversal guardian sure, but is that really a power level or a role? Similar to Alexander Luthors role in infinite crisis. The guy recreated a multiverse and could combine them in any combination with ease.

Those roles wouldn't make me believe that Merlin or Alex could defeat Galactus in a straight vs battle though.
I don't know jack about this "Luthor"
but Matrix/Merlin was not just role, he was power personified.

Again:
Originally posted by Mr Master

Merlin created Otherworld from scratch. (a magical Universe)
Merlin created the Starlight Citadel. (an Omniversal Nexus)
Merlin created the Celestial Nullifier. (can destroy any Universe in the entire Omniverse)

The way this is possible,
is because Merlin fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into individual tiny crystals,
each crystal representing the life-force of an entire Universe.

Simply place a crystal in the Celestial Nullifier, crystal is crushed, no more Universe.


All encompassing power in the absolute sense.
Omniversal feats in the house.
Originally posted by Avlon

I'll have to take Mxy for the win for now.
Respected but ...

I hope it's not based on your mis-information concerning martix/Merlin.
Originally posted by Avlon

Even Joker playing around with the idea of recreating the Amalgam universe
Nice.

Jaspers became the foundation of the Omniverse.

Originally posted by fangirl101

I'm sure it's easier to ignore and insult than deal with a reasonable questioning of an obvious attempt to win a debate that cannot be won.
After I told you matrix/Merlin's feats,
you came back willfully ignoring his feats,
and stated some gibberish about it not being destructive whatever power.

I mean, the guy took the entire Omniverse's life-force,
and did what he wanted with it.

I mean ... ahh forget it ... dur

That kind of obtuseness will be ignored today.

Mxy probably wins. Jaspers is a much cooler characther IMO though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
After I told you matrix.Merlin's feats,
you came back willfully ignoring his feats,
and stated some gibberish about it not being destructive whatever power.

I mean, the guy took the entire Omniverse's life-force,
and did what he wanted with it.

I mean ... ahh forget it ... dur

That kind of obtuseness will be ignored today.

And I gave note that Merlyn MANIPULATED the Omniverses life force for his machine. Manipulation of the Omniverse is great. But it's not all encompassing power. All encompassing is being able to literally wipe it all away and remake it. Or Mold it all at once into something entirely different.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

I've never understood the un-space feat done on MJJ.
He and the Fury are still a part of reality,
so Jaspers should have still been able to affect the both of them. Oh well.
... Illadelph and I came up with the same reasoning, you make perfect sense.

We finally arrived at,
they had to end the arc at some point, so pis seemed a logical way out.

After all, there was no other way to defeat this guy.

Even absolute Omniversal power against him wasn't enough,
so,
bring on the plot device (Fury) ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master Nothing more ridiculous your posts. _Yea, cause Jaspers is just gonna stand there and wait to be bfr'd anywhere.Didn't know this was flip a coin to see who strikes first. _ _Jaspers turns Mxy into dog food and feeds him to ooboo._I know you don't care about being wrong. You were saying about my post being the only one that differs?_

Originally posted by Mr Master
... Illadelph and I came up with the same reasoning, you make perfect sense.

We finally arrived at,
they had to end the arc at some point, so pis seemed a logical way out.

After all, there was no other way to defeat this guy.

Even absolute Omniversal power against him wasn't enough,
so,
bring on the plot device (Fury) ftw.
And mxy isn't the ultimate plot device character?

Originally posted by fangirl101

And I gave note that Merlyn MANIPULATED the Omniverses life force for his machine. Manipulation of the Omniverse is great. But it's not all encompassing power.

All encompassing is being able to literally wipe it all away and remake it.
Or Mold it all at once into something entirely different.
Ok, last time.

He took the life-force of the entire Omniverse,
an infinite amount of MultiverseS,
and warped it into tiny crystals.

That is all encompassing power on an Omniversal scale. (no matter how you cut it)

Now, to address your post specifically.

Why would Merlin wipe it all away, when he's it's freakin GUARDIAN? hum

Why would Merlin mold it into something else, hen he's it's freakin GUARDIAN? dontgetit


Happy?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers lost to his personal plot device.

btw. That machine withstood destruction (CN) that not even Eternity/Infinity can,
or anyone it's been used on in Marvel for that matter.

Don't make the Fury sound so simple friend.

Regardless of how we put it friend, it's still a plot device machine. If what you are referring to is what Fury escaped that universal destruction. Then that is also unclear. It's not shown that he took the blast.

Who else of note has Fury beat?


Originally posted by Mr Master
Unless Mxy read Jaspers handbook bio, I don't see him re-creating anything.

Mxy has read comic books arcs ahead of what WE get as "standard" comic fans. He's described handbooks, future arcs way ahead of their time, and knowledge of scripts.

Even the Joker with his power knew of the Amalgam universe, a non-canon arc.

I don't think knowledge would be a problem.


Originally posted by Mr Master
"higher dimension?"

That's inconsequential in Marvel.

One could say the same for many things in the MU towards DC. IG destroyed a universe? Inconsequential to the DC universe. Due to the fundamentally different physics and creators of each universe, who is to say what works and what doesn't.

That is if we choose to go that route.


Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know jack about this "Luthor"
but Matrix/Merlin was not just role, he was power personified.

Again:

Omniversal feats in the house.

Respected but ...

I hope it's not based on your mis-information concerning martix/Merlin.

Nothing that Alex hasn't done. Could Merlin with his "Omniversal" role defeat Galactus in a straight vs fight?


Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers became the foundation of the Omniverse.

Mxy wiped all that out till there was nothing left but himself and Batmite.

Originally posted by fangirl101

You were saying about my post being the only one that differs?
Yea, that was in response to you and your fantasy scenarios where Mxy wins
Originally posted by fangirl101

And mxy isn't the ultimate plot device character?
What Mxy is over in DC is inconsequential.

The Fury wasn't a plot device in general,
he was specifically Jaspers' plot device to lose.

There was no other way to beat him,
not even with the power of matrix/Merlin. (absolute Omniversal power)

Originally posted by Avlon

Regardless of how we put it friend, it's still a plot device machine.
If what you are referring to is what Fury escaped that universal destruction.

Then that is also unclear.

It's not shown that he took the blast.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg

"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced,

A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

...............................................................................................


http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7337/k2hr3.th.jpg

"A WHOLE Universe! ...

He just wiped out a whole Universe at the flick of a switch"

...............................................................................................


Fury floating around it's nullified Universe, completely intact. (UNHARMED)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7179/jue6.th.jpg

"It floats through Space that is Not Space"

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It's not Space, because Space & Time was Nullified there.
So it became Un-Space. (the opposite of Space)

Which is where Fury took Jaspers,
to the 238 Area of the Multiverse that became Un-Space.
In fact, that's how the Fury knew about that location, because it was once there,
floating in Un-Space.
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Official Marvel Handbook Fury bio 2006:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3931/f1ts5.th.jpg

"Fury modified itself to pursue (the preparation)
unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated,
it Survived the destruction of its Entire Reality"

(It didn't escape the destruction ... it Survived it)

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This Marvel Official Handbook is even more blatant:


Alternate Universes - Crooked World (238 Reality)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/233/furywithstoodod1.th.jpg

"The Fury withstood both the Jaspers Warp and the Destruction of its Reality,
subsequently making its way to Earth 616"

...............................................................................................


We know what "Withstood" means?

(remain undamaged or unaffected by)


Also,
the Fury "Subsequently made its way to 616."

We know what "Subsequent" means:

(coming after something in time; following)


So the Fury made its way to 616 AFTER it Withstood the nullification of 238.


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You're a sensible true debater Av.

Let's not touch this particular subject again
as I'm sure you'll agree with on panel bio confirmed facts.
Originally posted by Avlon
Who else of note has Fury beat?
Anyone it confronted.

He even resisted Scatterbrain's Omniversal Time-based attack.

The Fury was stalled for a moment once,
when Zeitgeist (an being in abstract form) confused the Fury,
cause Fury wasn't able to detect it in reality,
Technet (including Scatterbrain again)
and Captain Britain together attacked Fury while confused,
they managed to burrow him beneath a small mountain momentarily.

Other than that, even matrix/Merlin's hands got scorched by Fury.
Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy has read comic books arcs ahead of what WE get as "standard" comic fans. He's described handbooks, future arcs way ahead of their time, and knowledge of scripts.
So has She-Hulk.

Everything you just mentioned to a T, across 60 issues.

But I don't take that comedy seriously.
Originally posted by Avlon

Even the Joker with his power knew of the Amalgam universe, a non-canon arc.
If it's non-canon, it's inconsequential.

Thanx for that heads up btw.

Cause it's being used to define Mxy.
Originally posted by Avlon

One could say the same for many things in the MU towards DC. IG destroyed a universe? Inconsequential to the DC universe. Due to the fundamentally different physics and creators of each universe, who is to say what works and what doesn't.

That is if we choose to go that route.
Cool.

But "higher dimensions" in particular is inconsequential,
cause unlike Universes, which both companies have,
and both companies have their Universes made of time/space primarily,
"higher dimensions" is a sole DC attribute.

So imo, it's irrelevant in a vs match against a Marvel cat.
Originally posted by Avlon

Nothing that Alex hasn't done.
Could Merlin with his "Omniversal" role defeat Galactus in a straight vs fight?
Galactus would get stomped like a child.
Originally posted by Avlon

Mxy wiped all that out till there was nothing left but himself and Batmite.
So did Jaspers in a possible Future,
a Future that was definite ... if the Fury didn't stop him.

The stuff talked about here is similar to the stuff talked about in this thread lol:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459102

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're a sensible true debater Av.

Let's not touch this particular subject again
as I'm sure you'll agree with on panel bio confirmed facts.

I'll admit, I'm impressed. This is proof and credit must be given on it.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyone it confronted.

He even resisted Scatterbrain's Omniversal Time-based attack.

The Fury was stalled for a moment once,
when Zeitgeist (an being in abstract form) confused the Fury,
cause Fury wasn't able to detect it in reality,
Technet (including Scatterbrain again)
and Captain Britain together attacked Fury while confused,
they managed to burrow him beneath a small mountain momentarily.

Other than that, even matrix/Merlin's hands got scorched by Fury.

So if Mxy created a 1000 anti furies...would the original fury be able to adapt?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So has She-Hulk.

Everything you just mentioned to a T, across 60 issues.

But I don't take that comedy seriously.

You asked if Mxy could have access to said material. I answered.
She-hulk may have some of the same comedic value, but not the power to do anything about it unlike Mxy.


Originally posted by Mr Master
If it's non-canon, it's inconsequential.

Thanx for that heads up btw.

Cause it's being used to define Mxy.

Actually, it's very consequential. Simply through Mxy's power, he KNOWS about a NON-CANON arc and threatened to RECREATE it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But "higher dimensions" in particular is inconsequential,
cause unlike Universes, which both companies have,
and both companies have their Universes made of time/space primarily,
"higher dimensions" is a sole DC attribute.

Depends on how you look at it. IF 616 is comparable to New Earth, and there are higher dimensions far more powerful than either one...

The IG was useless in DC.


Originally posted by Mr Master
So imo, it's irrelevant in a vs match against a Marvel cat.

Galactus would get stomped like a child.
Interesting. I just wanted your opinion on this one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So did Jaspers in a possible Future,
a Future that was definite ... if the Fury didn't stop him.

If there is an alternate timeline, then not everything was wiped out.

Originally posted by Avlon

I'll admit, I'm impressed. This is proof and credit must be given on it.

Originally posted by Avlon

So if Mxy created a 1000 anti furies...would the original fury be able to adapt?
What exactly is an anti-Fury though?
Originally posted by Avlon

You asked if Mxy could have access to said material. I answered.
She-hulk may have some of the same comedic value,
but not the power to do anything about it unlike Mxy.
I don't understand.

She-Hulk read the Marvel Handbooks to get an edge on her opponents.
She-Hulk was manipulating John Byrne himself into writing stories the way SHe wanted.


And THIS!!!!

actually symbolically running across a Comic Book page

(like supposedly in the real world)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9550/sensationalshehulkv2005qy1.th.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3043/sensationalshehulkv2005hl9.th.jpg

"Bob are you okay"

"Yeah, yea, I just skinned my chin on the Staple." ...

......................................................................................


In another story of the 60 issue madness,
She-Hulk does something that should not be possible:

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She Hulk actually defeated a foe
by tearing the page she was on off the Comic book,
she then crumbled the page,
and threw it in the garbage then burned it for the Win:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6017/sensationalshehulkv2009wy2.th.jpg

"This is My Book" (Comic)

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I'm sure Mxy can do the same, or not, or whatever.

but this goes to show, that "breaking the 4th wall" hype is nothing special.

Imposssible Man has smacked up and terrified his writers,
so has Dr Doom.

I have the scans if you'd like.
Originally posted by Avlon

Actually, it's very consequential. Simply through Mxy's power,
he KNOWS about a NON-CANON arc and threatened to RECREATE it.
Imo, that's as ridiculous as his other 4th wall feats,
including She-Hulk's, and IM's, and Doom's,

and even Black Panther's:

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Black Panther rips a comic book page:

Because narrative caption was squeezing him and his friend into the panel:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3048/page1fp5.th.jpg


Black Panther visits his "writers/editors" and nearly kills one of them:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9250/page2uc2.th.jpg


Black Panther's mom is helping him with the other "writers" there.

She's trying to help him boost his comic book sales in the "real World"

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5620/page3ea2.th.jpg


I mean, come on. doh

Originally posted by Avlon

Depends on how you look at it. IF 616 is comparable to New Earth, and there are higher dimensions far more powerful than either one...
That may be a fact in DC,
but it does not pertain to Marvel.
Originally posted by Avlon

The IG was useless in DC.
Precisely, as useless as "higher dimensions" would be in Marvel.

Originally posted by Avlon

If there is an alternate timeline, then not everything was wiped out.

These are the facts:

..................................................................................

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1046/25152532kp1.th.jpg

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9255/99178716vp9.th.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7533/48392736kk4.th.jpg

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That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

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I have a Myx question: Wouldn't going to the 5th Dimension be considered bfr himself? It seems to me that while dimensions are supposed to be stacked unto each other, going from 3th Dimension to the 5th actually supposes a travel to Myx -opposed as being shown as existing in both places at the same time-.