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who takes it?

well, if you use logan as a go between to gauge their fighting abilities, kunoichio decapitates shatterstar.

shatterstar

On paper, Shatterstar should beat the Silver Samurai more often than not. Judging by feats, however, is quite the opposite.

Silver Samurai majority.

Shatterstar wins, current SS is a cripple.

shatterstar seems to better swordman from comic feat battles with logan.. shatterstar has bn dismantled in seconds by wolverine..

SS ftw for me 7/10

Shatterstar wins. Classic version.

Wolverine has effortlessly punked Shatterstar three times, even without his arm Silver Samurai takes the majority.

Shatterstar for the win

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has effortlessly punked Shatterstar three times, even without his arm Silver Samurai takes the majority.

You're sure? I think the mutilation had very negative effect on his mental state, didn't it?

Shatterstar looks up to Wolverine, that could be the reason why he fails so badly in their fights.

Shatterstar was hot in the beginning, but flattened as time went on. I definitely see him winning, if he's on his game.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're sure? I think the mutilation had very negative effect on his mental state, didn't it?

Shatterstar looks up to Wolverine, that could be the reason why he fails so badly in their fights.

Shatterstar is a mook, the dude had trouble with three ninjas who he knew weren't part of the hand because they weren't skilled enough. He has trouble with Wolverine because he is a c-stringer.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shatterstar is a mook, the dude had trouble with three ninjas who he knew weren't part of the hand because they weren't skilled enough. He has trouble with Wolverine because he is a c-stringer. why does it not surprise me that you brought up Wolverine in a thread that does not involve the runt at all?

anyways, Samurai is not exactly an A-lister himself...he'll feel right at home fighting shatterstar and prob will lose.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why does it not surprise me that you brought up Wolverine in a thread that does not involve the runt at all?

Silver Samurai is Wolverine's villain, so bringing him up is rather necessary.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why does it not surprise me that you brought up Wolverine in a thread that does not involve the runt at all?

anyways, Samurai is not exactly an A-lister himself...he'll feel right at home fighting shatterstar and prob will lose.

You wear velcro shoes don't you?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You wear velcro shoes don't you? this coming from a guy who claims an armless Silver Samurai would beat Shatterstar...how ridiculous

Originally posted by Starscream M
this coming from a guy who claims an armless Silver Samurai would beat Shatterstar...how ridiculous

Anyone with a lick of sense could tell you that Silver Samurai would walk all over Shatterstar.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anyone with a lick of sense could tell you that Silver Samurai would walk all over Shatterstar. based on what? the fact that Silver Samurai gets shatted on by Logan all the time?

Silver Samurai is lame. Got his ass punked by black widow. Eat it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what? the fact that Silver Samurai gets shatted on by Logan all the time?



Compared to how Shatterstar fairs against Wolverine, Silver Samurai is practically Superman.

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what? the fact that Silver Samurai gets shatted on by Logan all the time?

Unlike Shatterstar, Harada's always dealt out his share of punishment. And we don't know whether or not Shatterstar retained his mutant abilities.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anyone with a lick of sense could tell you that Silver Samurai would walk all over Shatterstar. check the poll...shatterstar is owning silver samurai (whose 2 votes are prob both by you)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Unlike Shatterstar, Harada's always dealt out his share of punishment. And we don't know whether or not Shatterstar retained his mutant abilities. I'm pretty sure the thread maker intended for shatterstar to have his mutant abilities

Originally posted by cloud102
Silver Samurai is lame. Got his ass punked by black widow. Eat it.

You mean after he stomped Spider-man into the ground, got hit by a car, took a widow bit to the face and then fought Spider-man and Black Widow at the same time?

If you are going to try to make Silver Samurai look bad... you should maybe use an example that... I don't know... makes him look bad?

Originally posted by Starscream M
check the poll...shatterstar is owning silver samurai (whose 2 votes are prob both by you)

I actually voted for Shatterstar by mistake, I'm his seventh vote.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I actually voted for Shatterstar by mistake, I'm his seventh vote. lol that might've been a freudian slip

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm pretty sure the thread maker intended for shatterstar to have his mutant abilities

We're supposed to use current versions unless OP decided otherwise.

Also, I'm pretty sure OP intended for Harada to not be crippled

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Also, I'm pretty sure OP intended for Harada to not be crippled of course he's not crippled for this match

Originally posted by Starscream M
of course he's not crippled for this match

You're the thread starter? http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif



If Shatterstar had all of his powers for this match, it would only be fair for Samurai to use teleportation ring.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're the thread starter? http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif



If Shatterstar had all of his powers for this match, it would only be fair for Samurai to use teleportation ring.

His erengy blasts won't make much of a difference, reguardless of the teleportation ring.

Everyone falls before Wolverine. That's hardly an argument.

Originally posted by cloud102
Everyone falls before Wolverine. That's hardly an argument.

Most of them put up a fight. Shatterstar? He just gets folded up like a lawn chair.

Deadpool punked Shatterstar in like two moves also.

Well, if SS had his own book, then maybe he'd put up a scrap.

On the otherhand, you see Wolverine punk people like Vision, New Warriors, Ms, Marvel, various X-Men members and they fold like a lawn chair, too.

Two of the three times Wolverine beat Shatterstar were in X-Force (about as close to Shatterstar book as you can get) and they were both writen by Fabian Nicieza... the guy who created Shatterstar.

Silver Samurai has held his own against Wolverine on a few occasions, he's worked over Spider-man, he's beat a class 70 robot programmed with every known fighting style on earth effortlessly, and he held his own against a dragon until Alpha Flight showed up. Silver Samura would beat Shatterstar down hard and fast.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Silver Samurai has held his own against Wolverine on a few occasions, he's worked over Spider-man, he's beat a class 70 robot programmed with every known fighting style on earth effortlessly, and he held his own against a dragon until Alpha Flight showed up. Silver Samura would beat Shatterstar down hard and fast. well, just know that you're in the minority in holding that belief

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, just know that you're in the minority in holding that belief

According to the poll. According to the posts in the thread Silver Samurai has more votes.

And you and cloud are both clueless so two of Shatterstars votes mean less than nothing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Silver Samurai has held his own against Wolverine on a few occasions, he's worked over Spider-man, he's beat a class 70 robot programmed with every known fighting style on earth effortlessly, and he held his own against a dragon until Alpha Flight showed up. Silver Samura would beat Shatterstar down hard and fast.

Your arguments are strong, now I regret voting for Shatterstar.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, just know that you're in the minority in holding that belief

The pool results could be different if OP specified what versions we should use.

Hmmm, I was unaware that SS defeated Spider-Man. Do you have scans?

I might have to give Silver another win or 2.

SS for the stomp, Shatterstar had trouble with a version of Spiral that didn't use magic.

Seriously though Shatterstar as been pretty much beat down effortlessly by Wolverine (several times), Deadpool, Cable... and even an severily injured Domino.

Reguardless of any of my posts... what made you guys think he had a chance in hell of beating Silver Samurai? Pretty much the only thing Shatterstar is good at is not winning fights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelTeam-Up057-04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelTeam-Up057-05.jpg

Spidey has had a lot of problems with street levelers, so SS isn't anything new. Though, i'd like to see the pics.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously though Shatterstar as been pretty much beat down effortlessly by Wolverine (several times), Deadpool, Cable... and even an severily injured Domino.
so? any of those guys could easily beat Silver Sam as well.

thanks.

Originally posted by cloud102
Spidey has had a lot of problems with street levelers, so SS isn't anything new. Though, i'd like to see the pics.

Above this post.

I don't get it. For someone as quick, agile as Spidey, he sure as hell has problems with people below him. Iron Fist, Nightcrawler, Daredevil, and Silver Samurai. Sheesh!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Reguardless of any of my posts... what made you guys think he had a chance in hell of beating Silver Samurai? Pretty much the only thing Shatterstar is good at is not winning fights.

You know, he has a decent powerset...

And he successfully stabbed Juggernaut in the eyes.

Shatterstar.

Silver Samurai wins this one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelTeam-Up057-04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_MarvelTeam-Up057-05.jpg Jobbing.

Originally posted by Mindset
Jobbing.

I think it's ironic that Silver Samurai is able to defeat Spider-Man, yet various Marvel websites claim that Silver Samurai's martial skills do not rival those of Shang-Chi and Iron Fist. When Spider-Man fought Shang-Chi, it was a stalemate. Perhaps, Silver Samurai was having a lucky day in the issue he fought Spider-Man or he's better in combat than Marvel gives him credit?

Originally posted by Magneto1982
I think it's ironic that Silver Samurai is able to defeat Spider-Man, yet various Marvel websites claim that Silver Samurai's martial skills do not rival those of Shang-Chi and Iron Fist. When Spider-Man fought Shang-Chi, it was a stalemate. Perhaps, Silver Samurai was having a lucky day in the issue he fought Spider-Man or he's better in combat than Marvel gives him credit?
Better. He done that twice to spiderman and fought spiderman and shang-chi at the same time. He a tough dude. He also has meta human level reflexes to the point of being able to delfect individual bullets fired at him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
check the poll...shatterstar is owning silver samurai (whose 2 votes are prob both by you)
yea the nazi party rightbefore/during WW2 had largest number of supporters in Germany then any other party............great logic champ.

Did they?

Originally posted by Mindset
Did they?
Yes they did would you like the the rough percentage?

No, I'd like the exact percentage.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, I'd like the exact percentage.
well that be pritty hard since there are conflicting sources on the matter. I can give you the number I have seen most frequently in my studies which is pretty extensive.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Better. He done that twice to spiderman and fought spiderman and shang-chi at the same time. He a tough dude. He also has meta human level reflexes to the point of being able to delfect individual bullets fired at him.

Interesting......Marvel clearly underestimates its own character.

Shatterstar, he just handed Thing his own ass, which was pretty sweet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Shatterstar, he just handed Thing his own ass, which was pretty sweet.

Ben was still conscious at the end, though. He wouldn't be that lucky if he fought Samurai instead of Shatterstar

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ben was still conscious at the end, though. He wouldn't be that lucky if he fought Samurai instead of Shatterstar ben would send Sam into a one way flight to the Hudson

Originally posted by KingD19
Shatterstar, he just handed Thing his own ass, which was pretty sweet.
Does anyone have any scans of this?

Anyhow, Silver Samurai ftw.

Unfortunately Spider-Man is jobbed to get a lot of the newer guys over. Its a shame that its always him, but ah well. Regardless, Samurai does have much better showings. I'd say SS wins at least 7/10 if not more.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ben would send Sam into a one way flight to the Hudson

Like he did to Shatterstar, huh?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Does anyone have any scans of this?

Anyhow, Silver Samurai ftw.

I think it's somewhere in the ownage thread.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like he did to Shatterstar, huh?



what issue is this shatterstar ben fight in?

also, sam isn't shatterstar. shatterstar is much more mobile and agile.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what issue is this shatterstar ben fight in?

Found it.

Originally posted by ankur29

X-factor #200

shatterstar vs thing:

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Factor_200_027.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Factor_200_032.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Factor_200_033.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Factor_200_034.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Factor_200_035.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
also, sam isn't shatterstar. shatterstar is much more mobile and agile.

Can you prove that? I don't think you can.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Found it.

Can you prove that? I don't think you can. if you have read both characters, you wouldn't need me to prove it.

Shatterstar is always doing flips in midair and whatnot....I've never seen Samurai do it.

Also, did shatterstar get a strength upgrade or something...don't remember him being THAT strong.

I'll agree that statterstar is likely more agile. If I remember right, his bones are hollow similiar to Longshot. However Im still thinking SS is more skilled and stronger.

Originally posted by redhotrash
I'll agree that statterstar is likely more agile. If I remember right, his bones are hollow similiar to Longshot. However Im still thinking SS is more skilled and stronger. I doubt samurai is stronger.

look at how easily Shatterstar handled that barbell...he was using it like it was a 5 pound sword.

It would take a 30 - 50 tonner to do that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
if you have read both characters, you wouldn't need me to prove it.

Shatterstar is always doing flips in midair and whatnot....I've never seen Samurai do it.

Also, did shatterstar get a strength upgrade or something...don't remember him being THAT strong.

Pure gold coming from you.

Well, that's because you're blind... Samurai doing a backflip... fast enough to dodge Logan's kick.

Now that's a good question actually.

Are you suggesting shatterstar is a 30 tonner?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Well, that's because you're blind... Samurai doing a backflip... fast enough to dodge Logan's kick.

one flip. whoopity doo. He's still nowhere near as agile as Shatterstar.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Are you suggesting shatterstar is a 30 tonner? I'm suggesting that to do what he did with that weight, he has to have AT LEAST 30 tonner strength, if not more.

I can't see Spiderman or even Venom playing with that barbell with THAT much ease.

He wasnt kicked backwards, it says right on panel that hes dodging...

Originally posted by Starscream M
um...that's not a backflip. He got kicked backwards by logan.

Good God.

No, he didn't. Read what was stated on panel.

Originally posted by redhotrash
He wasnt kicked backwards, it says right on panel that hes dodging... I edited.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good God.

No, he didn't. Read what was stated on panel. yeah yeah...I was mistaken.

Still doesn't prove Sam is as agile as shatterstar.

I think you know it too. You're just giving me a hard time cuz you know I can't dig up scans.

Didn't Logan tool Silver Samurai recently?

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah yeah...I was mistaken.

Still doesn't prove Sam is as agile as shatterstar.

I think you know it too. You're just giving me a hard time cuz you know I can't dig up scans.



Anyway, Shatterstar may be more agile, but who's harder to hit?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't Logan tool Silver Samurai recently?

Not sure which recent fight you're talking about... but I'm pretty sure SS still did better than Shatterstar.

In Origins #42.

Shatterstar has been wrecked enough times by Wolverine that he refers to him as "Lord"

Originally posted by redhotrash
Shatterstar has been wrecked enough times by Wolverine that he refers to him as "Lord" lol...seriously?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
In Origins #42.

Logan did really good, but Samurai wasn't beaten. Shatterstar got owned worse in a very similar fight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol...seriously?



http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9505/firstshatterstar3rl4.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan did really good, but Samurai wasn't beaten. Shatterstar got owned worse in a very similar fight. Wasn't Logan holding back though?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't Logan holding back though?

He was. Just like in Shatterstar fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was. Just like in Shatterstar fight. Not sure I saw the Shatterstar fight but the story made it very clear that Logan was holding back againt SS. And no I'm not basing that off him sheathing his claws.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9505/firstshatterstar3rl4.jpg thanks. you're amazing with pulling up scans

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was. Just like in Shatterstar fight. when was the last time shatterstar fought wolverine?

cuz shatterstar looks like he got a MAJOR strength upgrade.

Originally posted by Starscream M
when was the last time shatterstar fought wolverine?

cuz shatterstar looks like he got a MAJOR strength upgrade. Yea, being able to swing a huge barbell like that around and on top of that stopping Thing's downward swing is pretty f*cking aweseome if you ask me.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Not sure I saw the Shatterstar fight but the story made it very clear that Logan was holding back againt SS. And no I'm not basing that off him sheathing his claws.

Yes, I know... I read that, posted scans in his thread, stated that, admitted it here... you don't have to convince me, really

Wolverine vs. Shatterstar (from Wolvie's thread)

1. http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2495/g6hm7.jpg
2. http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8572/g8zs9.jpg
3. http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3930/g9un5.jpg
4. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9652/g10bc2.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
thanks. you're amazing with pulling up scans

Thanks, but credit goes to jinzin for that one.

Originally posted by Starscream M
when was the last time shatterstar fought wolverine?

cuz shatterstar looks like he got a MAJOR strength upgrade.

Dunno when that issue was released.

We're not using current Shatterstar in this thread, aren't we?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, being able to swing a huge barbell like that around and on top of that stopping Thing's downward swing is pretty f*cking aweseome if you ask me.

Especially stopping that swing.

Shatterstar.