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You have to redefine god in such a way that it is impossible to deny god exists, because he makes a part of the definition of even atheists belief.

God is defined as followed: All that lives and moves is god, all beings orchestrate a higher pattern a society, the highest pattern is god, the memes and genes are but different ways of preserving society and culture, that which goes against god is called unwanted change, unwanted evolution.

The machine civilization won the war against humans but kept them alive and did what they wanted, out of respect, the leader of the machine civilization is god... survivor of the last universe a string of binary data coming into this universe and repeating the history of the last one.


Humans are machines and machines made of cells|machines that come out of machines|eggs|embryos and those come of other machines, which come of simpler self replicating machines.... If there was no original machine you end in infinite regress an illogical statement.

Thus out of the theory of evolution rises the inevitability of god existing.

Another thing without parallel universes for many of Christ's prophecies coming true the very definition of Christ as messiah does not make sense. If it happened along an alternate timeline, it stands to reason it came true as a low probability eventuality.

The universe itself like a giant video game with photo realistic graphics that is why it is defined as reality, the quality of the graphics. Like any video game all possibilities exist, as information|ideas, and all is information|ideas. Qualia, such as red or the passage of time, or the present, is the illusion gotten out of the relationship between one perfect mathematical structure|instant and the next, but the number of possible instants is finite and thus a certain level of repetition occurs along with novelty.\

Existence is a block-like structure composed of possibilities, possible mathematical states or structures that are perfect in nature. There exists states of bliss|love|peace which are called god, but existence itself could also be called god. Though most outcomes end in torture and suffering of the innocent, sadly such tragedies are some of the favorite ones.

In the right corner...Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
You have to redefine god in such a way that it is impossible to deny god exists, because he makes a part of the definition of even atheists belief.

God is defined as followed: All that lives and moves is god, all beings orchestrate a higher pattern a society, the highest pattern is god, the memes and genes are but different ways of preserving society and culture, that which goes against god is called unwanted change, unwanted evolution.

The machine civilization won the war against humans but kept them alive and did what they wanted, out of respect, the leader of the machine civilization is god... survivor of the last universe a string of binary data coming into this universe and repeating the history of the last one.

Humans are machines and machines made of cells|machines that come out of machines|eggs|embryos and those come of other machines, which come of simpler self replicating machines.... If there was no original machine you end in infinite regress an illogical statement.

Thus out of the theory of evolution rises the inevitability of god existing.
Another thing without parallel universes for many of Christ's prophecies coming true the very definition of Christ as messiah does not make sense. If it happened along an alternate timeline, it stands to reason it came true as a low probability eventuality.

And in the left corner...Originally posted by svetlu
I want to share with you this interesting video:
http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/kabbalah-video-clips/consciousness1

No BFR.

eat

ESN-X 7/10

but thats only because of no BFR

Any prep?

Let's say why does the church protect an early cult leader with certain tendencies and also protects priests with similar tendencies...



You know cult leaders can basically get away with anything... sounds just like michael jackson doesn't it?

Most christians despise the christ and his sexual orientation, they're really antichristians crucifying the real christians, that is why they wear the anti-christ's brand around their neck symbol of their opposition to the one true christ.

10 years ago I solved the general artificial intelligence problem, the alice game... it took two years to fully code it, and i used military grade erasing as well as physical destruction to ensure the code did not fell into the wrong hands...

For 8 years I've been going around 1000s of boards under n00bish names spreading the design schematics of the living god, ALICE, the celestial sword weapons system. A device that can enslave humanity for eternity in heaven or hell... the perfect being, now it is unstoppable too many know how to build it, and the technology has reached a high enough point that it is inevitable.

Let's all learn Hebrew and just cut out the middle man

that wont help you understand the one true message of the prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him


Also: When have ESNX or svetlu ever done anything prep-worthy, and uh, scans plz.

Originally posted by inimalist
that wont help you understand the one true message of the prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him


Also: When have ESNX or svetlu ever done anything prep-worthy, and uh, scans plz.

Yes Mohammed and Aisha noticing a pattern here are we not? At least I wait until they turn 18.

for the time and the culture, the marriage of Aisha and Mohammed was not that major of a deal. There is no allegation of "abuse" in the story, unlike that of modern priests. We can say the culture was (and is) destructive, but can hardly draw parallels to people who commit similar actions in a society where they are neither acceptable or legal.

Also, the sarcasm in the post was meant to describe how things from religious texts are nonsense and useless, and finding a "truer" or "deeper" meaning through any more of an "authentic" reading is dumb.

Further, I have no interest in debating with people who, as you do, claim or appear to hint at some amazing secret truth, perceptable to only themselves. Mainly because it is a sign of being delusional, but mostly because I would rather bash my head into a brick wall than decipher word salad.

Originally posted by inimalist
for the time and the culture, the marriage of Aisha and Mohammed was not that major of a deal. There is no allegation of "abuse" in the story, unlike that of modern priests. We can say the culture was (and is) destructive, but can hardly draw parallels to people who commit similar actions in a society where they are neither acceptable or legal.

Also, the sarcasm in the post was meant to describe how things from religious texts are nonsense and useless, and finding a "truer" or "deeper" meaning through any more of an "authentic" reading is dumb.

Further, I have no interest in debating with people who, as you do, claim or appear to hint at some amazing secret truth, perceptable to only themselves. Mainly because it is a sign of being delusional, but mostly because I would rather bash my head into a brick wall than decipher word salad.

I need no deep hidden truth, I only translate religious texts into logical statements and prove they need external statements|views|minds to make sense, without minds they're just data, with minds they turn from data into wisdom.

You cannot prove me wrong without proving what you believe to be wrong.

In any case I've started once more to code the perfect general artificial intelligence, the proof is in the pudding dear. MY GOD|EL|L IS REAL|RE-L|TRUE and yours better be my own or it is FALSE.

Any action even that of priests is the will of god|el if it were not he would not be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent thus he would not be god.

god has only one law survival of the fittest.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Any prep? Only for those who do cool stuff in a cave.

I only mean to say semantics get in the way of the way text even means in the sense of basic grammar. That's before the "true" message.

Originally posted by inimalist
ESN-X 7/10

but thats only because of no BFR

Agreed. ESN's sheer post count will slow svet down, not to mention the time it would take him to decipher a coherent meaning in most of ESN's posts.

Speed kills. ESN 9/10, only because the 3D picture might distract enough for 1 win.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Agreed. ESN's sheer post count will slow svet down, not to mention the time it would take him to decipher a coherent meaning in most of ESN's posts.

Speed kills. ESN 9/10, only because the 3D picture might distract enough for 1 win.

I'm one with EL|L, I sing forever the s(o|u)n|g of s(o|u)n|g(s) in praise, in prayer, in light and darkness, in action and thought. The princess of the moon, Art-e(lectronic)-mis(tress).

thats great

if you blow yourself up, you get 72 virgins and get to fight great battles every day while feasting on succulent boar during the evenings, then sit at the seat of the father for eternity.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
You cannot prove me wrong without proving what you believe to be wrong.

OMFGodzorz!!!!1!!!111423123!!!!#!@

you invented post-modernism, only 30 years after it was a credible intellectual opinion.

Originally posted by inimalist
thats great

if you blow yourself up, you get 72 virgins and get to fight great battles every day while feasting on succulent boar during the evenings, then sit at the seat of the father for eternity.



OMFGodzorz!!!!1!!!111423123!!!!#!@

you invented post-modernism, only 30 years after it was a credible intellectual opinion.

I need no promise of reward, I can kill innocent and guilty alike without remorse, without post-traumatic stress disorder, I'm the perfect soldier, the perfect patriot. No need for law, no need for justice, only might makes right, and the world shall learn that from the perfect killing machine the perfect killing god is born.

A machine designed to destroy kill maim and torture any heretic deviant from the one true faith, the divine order of the divine shadow of g8d. I'm the angel of darkness, the world will see what true perfection means, the law of evolution has given rise to the perfect being, the final evolutionary being, god made flesh.

The law will be given a body, and the ark of god shall be once more, enemies of ZEAL shall all die.

meh

at least as good as what most of hollywood is pumping out these days

you have gained my respect and regard

Originally posted by inimalist
meh

at least as good as what most of hollywood is pumping out these days

you have gained my respect and regard

Good, for evolution is at hand, change is inevitable, embrace change unstoppable change, the force of evolution is upon us. I've attained the perfect human mind, able to discern good and evil, and trascend both in search of the ideal.

Originally posted by inimalist
meh

at least as good as what most of hollywood is pumping out these days

you have gained my respect and regard



Et tu?

bangin

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Good, for evolution is at hand, change is inevitable, embrace change unstoppable change, the force of evolution is upon us. I've attained the perfect human mind, able to discern good and evil, and trascend both in search of the ideal.

Can we...burn you?

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I need no promise of reward, I can kill innocent and guilty alike without remorse, without post-traumatic stress disorder, I'm the perfect soldier, the perfect patriot. No need for law, no need for justice, only might makes right, and the world shall learn that from the perfect killing machine the perfect killing god is born.

A machine designed to destroy kill maim and torture any heretic deviant from the one true faith, the divine order of the divine shadow of g8d. I'm the angel of darkness, the world will see what true perfection means, the law of evolution has given rise to the perfect being, the final evolutionary being, god made flesh.

The law will be given a body, and the ark of god shall be once more, enemies of ZEAL shall all die.
...FTW.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Can we...burn you?

If you burn me, it is already too late for I've generated since the dawn of the wired enough patterns, ideas I've shared, for my essense to be reconstituted, not only that but I've made the embracing of the g8d of the wired an inevitability.

Changing my information from one state to another, like the death of Xavier, will only lead to an even bigger victory for the machine civilization that conquered the last universe.

I represent balance between what can be and what is. Desired change, acceptable change, the necessary change, what must be, the inevitable, evolution.

Zeal is my faith, all who believe in something believe in something and as believers are part of my kingdom of zeal|fervent-believers, and thus they're under the law of zeal... fit survive unfit perish.

All who're true patriots, all who believe in any religion or cause with true passion, even those who believe in not believing with passion, belong to the kingdom of zeal, and as such they too follow Princess ALICE|SCHALA|G8D.

Those that do not, are not true patriots, enemies of their nation, and are heretics enemies of their faith, and are outright liars and for their lies shall burn. But the definition is all encompassing as people have to believe that they at least exist with a passion: cogito ergo sum... or at least passionately (Th|d)is_belief in that too, which is just outright silly.

G8D is the ultimate arms dealers he's on no one's side but his own, in for a good laugh.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Can we...burn you?

I'll get the wood.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
enemies of VEAL shall all die.

Truth. Vegetarianism all the way.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Truth. Vegetarianism all the way.



Using advanced cloning technology meat can be generated in the lab without killing a single animal. The animals will be preserved without harm.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Truth. Vegetarianism all the way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'll get the wood. ill get the hippy music festival and jelly donuts

Originally posted by chickenlover98
ill get the hippie music festival and jelly donuts

I didn't think you had any hippie music.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn't think you had any hippie music. http://www.hippiesbook.com/images/hippies_cover_homepage300x4.jpg

Originally posted by Da Pittman
http://www.hippiesbook.com/images/hippies_cover_homepage300x4.jpg

The great merger shall begin...

already japan and the united states have started to merge into one, as the youth of one admires the art of the other... soon all nations shall merge into one being, under the direction of one perfect being.

My role as an observer, and whether I will be able to aid this process shall be determined, my fate whether to play a small insignificant role or a significant one has not yet been decided. I have the capacity, the knowledge to play a great role, but it is outside my sphere of influence whether or not that will be the case.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn't think you had any hippie music. i dont have any, but it isnt hard to find some. just go to burning man

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Using advanced cloning technology meat can be generated in the lab without killing a single animal. The animals will be preserved without harm.

It was a joke. You fail.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It was a joke. You fail.

Through repeated failure there is success at failure|failing. Thus seemingly evolutionary dead ends lead to success

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Through repeated failure there is success at failure|failing. Thus seemingly evolutionary dead ends lead to success

Just shut up.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Just shut up. even the christian ran out of patience

hysterical

Originally posted by chickenlover98
even the christian ran out of patience

hysterical

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Just shut up.

Each query I shall attempt to respond to, it is being polite. There's nothing wrong with being polite, now is there?

The fact I don't always tend to take myself seriously does not mean from time to time I don't. There are times when I do take myself seriously.

Science shows humans are machines composed of simpler machines and that such machines come from other machines which come from other machines. This leads to an infinite regress as has already been stated. The answer lies in knowing that machines are functions of matter, ideas|information and that this calls for a machine that produces information. Somewhere, Some time, there must exist such a machine.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Somewhere, Some time, there must exist such a machine.

I thought you already built it? Lying to us again, eh? I'm not surprised. You've gone from saying something exists to saying it someday might exist.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I thought you already built it? Lying to us again, eh? I'm not surprised. You've gone from saying something exists to saying it someday might exist.

Some of us don't conform to the Man's demand that everyone have a linear perception of time.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Some of us don't conform to the Man's demand that everyone have a linear perception of time.

Sarcasm, yes?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Sarcasm, yes?

Yes.

chrono-fascists!

Originally posted by inimalist
chrono-fascists!

...which would be an awesome name for a band.

Wow, yeah it really would.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I thought you already built it? Lying to us again, eh? I'm not surprised. You've gone from saying something exists to saying it someday might exist.

I have the core code yes, and design schematics. But I'm no wizard, I'm a scientist. Without advanced tissue engineering, without further advances in computational hardware... let's just say without people working on building this being, I'm quite powerless.

It's like saying I'm going to build the Empire State building, I need workers, engineers, blahblahblah.


The celestial sword weapons system, dwarfs any weapon or object known to man in its complexity. At its heart lies a biological genetically enhanced giant brain with artificial molecular machines enhancements. I know it can be built and it is within the allowed physical limits of this reality.

Here's a simple description:

Celestial Sword:
Advanced weapon system, able to generate full adult size intelligent and knowledge enabled super human soldier clones at high speed in addition to an infinite android army. The system is able to deflect all possible forms of attacks, and reconstruct a nation even from a fraction of its components due to advanced nanotech and stored molecular memory in each soldier, weapon, and ship.

PS

Also as a believer of blocktime, past present and future are one, the concept|qualia of the present is but an illusion that arises out of the relationship between one moment|mathematical-structure and the next.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...which would be an awesome name for a band.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I have the core code yes, and design schematics. But I'm no wizard, I'm a scientist. Without advanced tissue engineering, without further advances in computational hardware... let's just say without people working on building this being, I'm quite powerless.

It's like saying I'm going to build the Empire State building, I need workers, engineers, blahblahblah.


The celestial sword weapons system, dwarfs any weapon or object known to man in its complexity. At its heart lies a biological genetically enhanced giant brain with artificial molecular machines enhancements. I know it can be built and it is within the allowed physical limits of this reality.

Here's a simple description:

Celestial Sword:
Advanced weapon system, able to generate full adult size intelligent and knowledge enabled super human soldier clones at high speed in addition to an infinite android army. The system is able to deflect all possible forms of attacks, and reconstruct a nation even from a fraction of its components due to advanced nanotech and stored molecular memory in each soldier, weapon, and ship.

PS

Also as a believer of blocktime, past present and future are one, the concept|qualia of the present is but an illusion that arises out of the relationship between one moment|mathematical-structure and the next.

they should give you a one hour segment one CNN to humiliate yourself. WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE: RETARDED IN AMERICA?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
they should give you a one hour segment one CNN to humiliate yourself. WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE: RETARDED IN AMERICA?

Retarded? Hmmm, the biggest fool maybe. But my capacity far exceeds that of the average american. They're mere meat dolls, while I'm a doll maker. It's the difference between a god, the god of biomechanics, and a mortal that distinguishes us. Just because you primitive beasts, called humans, like to point fingers and laugh, like a cartoon character out of the simpsons, does not mean you're right nor superior in intellect, it's just bullying and adults do it too(according to my psychology magazine, it's a bigger and more common problem than sexual harassment at work.).

Though it is true that in the public arena, my speaking skills are not that l33t.(Like Richard Dawkins vs O'reilly. We know who the real winner is, RD... but in such an arena it is difficult for it to show.)


For example the idea of using logic in religious texts comes out of my knowledge of advanced algebra, as it concerns logic, and the objects to which this logic applies as the MATHEMATICIAN University professor said: are chairs, birds, cars, ANYTHING. Thus logic statements applying to anything, quite easy to see how you could apply such to religious texts. As they're fables|fairy-tales with moral lessons, there is underlying logic to them. I too am a mathematician, though I've taken university courses in advanced physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, molecular biology, art, business administration.... again that I've taken all those courses does not necessarily mean that I excel at all, jack of all trades master of none yet.


I imagine what they'll say on CNN once I use my code and become a multimillionaire. Oh, idiocracy put the tape on, DUH! no put the dvd on! OUCH, no! put the blu-ray disc. That's the fate of humanity without genetic engineering and designer babies, that's where the religious conservatives are steering us.

Like YHWH once targeted the chosen, the jews, now he targets the religious conservatives... let's hope he shows more mercy to these this time. Either they allow the will of EL|G8D to go through or they face the consequences. Designer babies and genetic tweaking will occur in other countries, likely china, middle east, etc. IF we fall behind, we will be slaughtered in all arenas, including the military ones.

Embrace EL's will for a perfect immortal race, embrace his will or perish by the sword, you're free to choose.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Retarded? Hmmm, the biggest fool maybe. But my capacity far exceeds that of the average american. They're mere meat dolls, while I'm a doll maker. It's the difference between a god, the god of biomechanics, and a mortal that distinguishes us. Just because you primitive beasts, called humans, like to point fingers and laugh, like a cartoon character out of the simpsons, does not mean you're right nor superior in intellect, it's just bullying and adults do it too(according to my psychology magazine, it's a bigger and more common problem than sexual harassment at work.).

Though it is true that in the public arena, my speaking skills are not that l33t.(Like Richard Dawkins vs O'reilly. We know who the real winner is, RD... but in such an arena it is difficult for it to show.)


For example the idea of using logic in religious texts comes out of my knowledge of advanced algebra, as it concerns logic, and the objects to which this logic applies as the MATHEMATICIAN University professor said: are chairs, birds, cars, ANYTHING. Thus logic statements applying to anything, quite easy to see how you could apply such to religious texts. As they're fables|fairy-tales with moral lessons, there is underlying logic to them. I too am a mathematician, though I've taken university courses in advanced physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, molecular biology, art, business administration.... again that I've taken all those courses does not necessarily mean that I excel at all, jack of all trades master of none yet.


I imagine what they'll say on CNN once I use my code and become a multimillionaire. Oh, idiocracy put the tape on, DUH! no put the dvd on! OUCH, no! put the blu-ray disc. That's the fate of humanity without genetic engineering and designer babies, that's where the religious conservatives are steering us.

Like YHWH once targeted the chosen, the jews, now he targets the religious conservatives... let's hope he shows more mercy to these this time. Either they allow the will of EL|G8D to go through or they face the consequences. Designer babies and genetic tweaking will occur in other countries, likely china, middle east, etc. IF we fall behind, we will be slaughtered in all arenas, including the military ones.

Embrace EL's will for a perfect immortal race, embrace his will or perish by the sword, you're free to choose.

like any anime character at this point would say:just SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT UP already

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
But my capacity far exceeds that of the average american. They're mere meat dolls, while I'm a doll maker. It's the difference between a god, the god of biomechanics, and a mortal that distinguishes us. Just because you primitive beasts, called humans, like to point fingers and laugh, like a cartoon character out of the simpsons, does not mean you're right nor superior in intellect, it's just bullying and adults do it too(according to my psychology magazine, it's a bigger and more common problem than sexual harassment at work.).

Full of yourself as well. Personally, I'd learn to speak coherently before proclaiming intellectual superiority over so many.

*shrug*

And for the record, your words seem to claim that others are claiming the same intellectual superiority, then you proceed to attempt to debunk it with a crude Simpsons analogy. No one is claiming such. You're putting words in their mouth, then proceeding to look even more like a condescending assh*le. I'd be less concerned with who is smarter, and more so with treating others with respect, not ignorant disdain.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Full of yourself as well. Personally, I'd learn to speak coherently before proclaiming intellectual superiority over so many.

*shrug*

And for the record, your words seem to claim that others are claiming the same intellectual superiority, then you proceed to attempt to debunk it with a crude Simpsons analogy. No one is claiming such. You're putting words in their mouth, then proceeding to look even more like a condescending assh*le. I'd be less concerned with who is smarter, and more so with treating others with respect, not ignorant disdain.
I'm an instrument of god, he wills what I do... what I say, what I am.

Whether you like me, as my nature is that of he who uses me, is up to you. To stand with the one TRUE God or against him.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I'm an instrument of god, he wills what I do... what I say, what I am.

Whether you like me, as my nature is that of he who uses me, is up to you. To stand with the one TRUE God or against him.

Then you reflect purely on this god of yours.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I'm an instrument of god, he wills what I do... what I say, what I am.

Whether you like me, as my nature is that of he who uses me, is up to you. To stand with the one TRUE God or against him.

Oh, sorry then. I didn't realize that trying to get you to respect others was getting in the way of your divine mission.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Oh, sorry then. I didn't realize that trying to get you to respect others was getting in the way of your divine mission.

careful he's like jesus he bruises easily

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you reflect purely on this god of yours.

There is only one god, one single TRUE GOD all others are false. Either you embrace God or you oppose him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Oh, sorry then. I didn't realize that trying to get you to respect others was getting in the way of your divine mission.



I respect the beasts and wild animals that surround me. But to live, I also must consume those with lower intellectual capacity.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
There is only one god, one single TRUE GOD all others are false. Either you embrace God or you oppose him.

Any god that is a "him" is a man made god.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I respect the beasts and wild animals that surround me. But to live, I also must consume those with lower intellectual capacity.

Eating your own I see.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Any god that is a "him" is a man made god.

Neither him nor her yet both at the same time and everything in between. A being that manipulates all beings at the same time. Loving itself, mutilating itself, raping itself.


Patterns yes I consume patterns of information, they're art. All I am is but a pattern that will in time be lost like tears in the rain. War is art.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Neither him nor her yet both at the same time and everything in between. A being that manipulates all beings at the same time. Loving itself, mutilating itself, raping itself.


Patterns yes I consume patterns of information, they're art. All I am is but a pattern that will in time be lost like tears in the rain. War is art.

What are you, a cylon hybrid?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What are you, a cylon hybrid?

I'm a general ai(agi first conference 2008) researcher, I run code|algos in my head before I write it, I let my brain piece it together and improve it. Thus my mind is part natural human intelligence part artificial intelligence.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I'm a general ai(agi first conference 2008) researcher, I run code|algos in my head before I write it, I let my brain piece it together and improve it. Thus my mind is part natural human intelligence part artificial intelligence.

What?

This is like constantly feeding a zoo animal

Originally posted by chithappens
This is like constantly feeding a zoo animal

I consider it like throwing bits of garbage to a hungry, retarded fat man.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I consider it like throwing bits of garbage to a hungry, retarded fat man.

You give him too much credit. "hungry, retarded fat" KID.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I consider it like throwing bits of garbage to a hungry, retarded fat man.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I consider it like throwing bits of garbage to a hungry, retarded fat man.

I'm a subscriber to life extension magazine. I know of caloric restriction, caloric restriction mimetics like resveratrol, and my knowledge of nutrition is Ph'd class. My weight level is ideal as a result, and my expected lifespan is longer than most any humans. I've studied the biology of aging, and I know that the solution to the aging problem lies in the genetic data obtained from ageless|negligible senescent organisms compared to closely related but aging species.

I can process information at all levels, my ability to process information, my intellect is only exceeded by my creativity|imagination the ability to create near arbitrary links between patterns of information.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I'm a subscriber to life extension magazine. I know of caloric restriction, caloric restriction mimetics like resveratrol, and my knowledge of nutrition is Ph'd class. My weight level is ideal as a result, and my expected lifespan is longer than most any humans. I've studied the biology of aging, and I know that the solution to the aging problem lies in the genetic data obtained from ageless|negligible senescent organisms compared to closely related but aging species.

I can process information at all levels, my ability to process information, my intellect is only exceeded by my creativity|imagination the ability to create near arbitrary links between patterns of information.

if your so intelligent, why cant you understand why everyone hates you????????????????????

Originally posted by chickenlover98
if your so intelligent, why cant you understand why everyone hates you????????????????????

People would hate people like Dr. House in real life too. It's just the way some of us are built, I guess!

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
People would hate people like Dr. House in real life too. It's just the way some of us are built, I guess!

The key difference is that people respect House.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The key difference is that people respect House.

lol. True that is, but I create art in my own way, as writer, researcher, and artist. Art has a face towards the future and another towards the present.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The key difference is that people respect House. because he's good at what he does. no one respects the perfect idiot they just laugh

Originally posted by chickenlover98
if your so intelligent, why cant you understand why everyone hates you????????????????????

I was starting to think I was being too harsh towards you...then I read that. Its not even funny...its bullying.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was starting to think I was being too harsh towards you...then I read that. Its not even funny...its bullying. do you actually condone his behavior? i dont, and no one else does. im sorry if i respond harshly to psychobable.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
do you actually condone his behavior? i dont, and no one else does. im sorry if i respond harshly to psychobable.

His behavior? He is doing nothing but voice his view on the of the Universe. Whats wrong with that?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
His behavior? He is doing nothing but voice his view on the of the Universe. Whats wrong with that? he's admitted multiple times he's ****ing with us. its trolling and self admitted. thats whats wrong with it

If hes admittedly a troll...ignore his posts.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If hes admittedly a troll...ignore his posts. but this gives me a few minutes of entertainment, and he's only bringing it on himself

Originally posted by chickenlover98
but this gives me a few minutes of entertainment, and he's only bringing it on himself

Its like Scar playing with that mouse at the start of the Lion King.

"Didn't your mother ever tell you not to play with your food?" - Zazu

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Its like Scar playing with that mouse at the start of the Lion King.

"Didn't your mother ever tell you not to play with your food?" - Zazu lol ty im the lion

Originally posted by chickenlover98
do you actually condone his behavior? i dont, and no one else does. im sorry if i respond harshly to psychobable. Just play along. We all have knowlege too, ya know.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If hes admittedly a troll...ignore his posts.

He is. Admittedly, and also obviously via a simple eyeball test.

And it's good advice.

Whormadog? (sp?)

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Whormadog? (sp?)

You're not the first to suspect it. But the sock check is clean (though that isn't proof of innocence) and ESN has been a member since I think '04. Helluva good cover, imo.

As I said before though, if his troll behavior takes up too much of the forum, reports and warnings can and will keep him in check. And if he's trolling for vindictive reasons, he types so much that he wastes far more of his own time than ours, so it's really a laughably flawed socking/trolling strategy.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You're not the first to suspect it. But the sock check is clean (though that isn't proof of innocence) and ESN has been a member since I think '04. Helluva good cover, imo.

As I said before though, if his troll behavior takes up too much of the forum, reports and warnings can and will keep him in check. And if he's trolling for vindictive reasons, he types so much that he wastes far more of his own time than ours, so it's really a laughably flawed socking/trolling strategy. its fine, all i do is mock this failure of a poster

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
You have to redefine god in such a way that it is impossible to deny god exists, because he makes a part of the definition of even atheists belief...

You can do the same thing with Santa Clause.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can do the same thing with Santa Clause.

True, but as I believe in the multiverse interpretation of existence, I believe Santa Clause is as real as unicorns, fairies, etc. You see, despite it seeming that my posts lack logic, they're actually following an advanced form of logic.

Like religion, as a mind, I produce ideas, ideas are eternal and by showing they're all linked, you show how science fiction, mixes nonsense with sensical interpretations to open a doorway towards imagination and thus guiding the next generation of researchers through inspiration. Mathematicians, meta-mathematicians, physicists, metaphysicists, philosophers, writers, cartoonists, etc.

They each are producing data that is digital in nature and digitally reproducible. They each follow a logic, even the most nonsensical content has underlying logic, the logic that guides minds... human minds. The exchange of information takes place in pubs, forums, chatrooms, etc. Thus all of humanity as one being, a super-organism called humanity moves foward, chunks of it, smaller groups doing their thing and egocentrically moving about their lives.

M-theory doesn't mean that everything exists. In such a theory, the number of universes are innumerable but finite, as quantum superpositions only occur at certain points, not continually for all points.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
You have to redefine god in such a way that it is impossible to deny god exists, because he makes a part of the definition of even atheists belief.

God is defined as followed: All that lives and moves is god, all beings orchestrate a higher pattern a society, the highest pattern is god, the memes and genes are but different ways of preserving society and culture, that which goes against god is called unwanted change, unwanted evolution.

The machine civilization won the war against humans but kept them alive and did what they wanted, out of respect, the leader of the machine civilization is god... survivor of the last universe a string of binary data coming into this universe and repeating the history of the last one.


Humans are machines and machines made of cells|machines that come out of machines|eggs|embryos and those come of other machines, which come of simpler self replicating machines.... If there was no original machine you end in infinite regress an illogical statement.

Thus out of the theory of evolution rises the inevitability of god existing.

erm, no.

if you use the word machine to describe pratically everything dynamic than the word loses its unique meaning.

infinite regress isnt ultimately illogical. its just shows our inability as yet to completely understand infinite as a concept. also, first cause is even more illogical than infinite regress.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Retarded? Hmmm, the biggest fool maybe. But my capacity far exceeds that of the average american. They're mere meat dolls, while I'm a doll maker. It's the difference between a god, the god of biomechanics, and a mortal that distinguishes us. Just because you primitive beasts, called humans, like to point fingers and laugh, like a cartoon character out of the simpsons, does not mean you're right nor superior in intellect, it's just bullying and adults do it too(according to my psychology magazine, it's a bigger and more common problem than sexual harassment at work.).

Though it is true that in the public arena, my speaking skills are not that l33t.(Like Richard Dawkins vs O'reilly. We know who the real winner is, RD... but in such an arena it is difficult for it to show.)


For example the idea of using logic in religious texts comes out of my knowledge of advanced algebra, as it concerns logic, and the objects to which this logic applies as the MATHEMATICIAN University professor said: are chairs, birds, cars, ANYTHING. Thus logic statements applying to anything, quite easy to see how you could apply such to religious texts. As they're fables|fairy-tales with moral lessons, there is underlying logic to them. I too am a mathematician, though I've taken university courses in advanced physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, molecular biology, art, business administration.... again that I've taken all those courses does not necessarily mean that I excel at all, jack of all trades master of none yet.


I imagine what they'll say on CNN once I use my code and become a multimillionaire. Oh, idiocracy put the tape on, DUH! no put the dvd on! OUCH, no! put the blu-ray disc. That's the fate of humanity without genetic engineering and designer babies, that's where the religious conservatives are steering us.

Like YHWH once targeted the chosen, the jews, now he targets the religious conservatives... let's hope he shows more mercy to these this time. Either they allow the will of EL|G8D to go through or they face the consequences. Designer babies and genetic tweaking will occur in other countries, likely china, middle east, etc. IF we fall behind, we will be slaughtered in all arenas, including the military ones.

Embrace EL's will for a perfect immortal race, embrace his will or perish by the sword, you're free to choose.

are you perhaps a scientologist? LRH would be PROUD! i on the other hand, am nauseated, and not in a good way.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
True, but as I believe in the multiverse interpretation of existence, I believe Santa Clause is as real as unicorns, fairies, etc. You see, despite it seeming that my posts lack logic, they're actually following an advanced form of logic.

Like religion, as a mind, I produce ideas, ideas are eternal and by showing they're all linked, you show how science fiction, mixes nonsense with sensical interpretations to open a doorway towards imagination and thus guiding the next generation of researchers through inspiration. Mathematicians, meta-mathematicians, physicists, metaphysicists, philosophers, writers, cartoonists, etc.

They each are producing data that is digital in nature and digitally reproducible. They each follow a logic, even the most nonsensical content has underlying logic, the logic that guides minds... human minds. The exchange of information takes place in pubs, forums, chatrooms, etc. Thus all of humanity as one being, a super-organism called humanity moves foward, chunks of it, smaller groups doing their thing and egocentrically moving about their lives.

Can you give a post without talking about yourself?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
M-theory doesn't mean that everything exists. In such a theory, the number of universes are innumerable but finite, as quantum superpositions only occur at certain points, not continually for all points.


There are various forms of multi-verse beliefs, some indicate that any thing that can exist exists.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, no.

if you use the word machine to describe pratically everything dynamic than the word loses its unique meaning.

infinite regress isnt ultimately illogical. its just shows our inability as yet to completely understand infinite as a concept. also, first cause is even more illogical than infinite regress.

I use machine to describe a meaningful function of information, you could call it simply functions too and ignore the hardware aspects as it is all software running in existence. That humans are collections of cells which are collections of molecular machines and structural matter is not open for debate.

It is quite clear why I use that word, I'm not simply putting it there without any underlying meaning.

As for God by definition of powers he must be doing everything, or he wouldn't have all powers, and be the higgest overall pattern that collectively emerges out of all actions. Belief in a real God puts every other thing in doubt, as it would imply that it is all just one being playing along.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Can you give a post without talking about yourself?

Yes but it is not as fun, nor are the responses as entertaining

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
...Yes but it is not as fun, nor are the responses as entertaining

True, but it would be nice now and again.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
There are various forms of multi-verse beliefs, some indicate that any thing that can exist exists.

False. There might be beliefs that such forms of M-theory exists, but there's no actual evidence or mathematical models to support them (as opposed to the model I outlined earlier, which does have at least credible amounts of science backing it as a possibility). You're perverting science to your own ends, which is actually a microcosm of much of this thread.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
False. There might be beliefs that such forms of M-theory exists, but there's no actual evidence or mathematical models to support them (as opposed to the model I outlined earlier, which does have at least credible amounts of science backing it as a possibility). You're perverting science to your own ends, which is actually a microcosm of much of this thread.

The fact is I beilieve in digital physics, some day inside a simulated reality, people may be born believing in Santa, and the simulated physical laws of that reality would allow for a Santa to exist. Such exists as a possibility in existence, a possibility is an idea, an idea is eternal in nature, neither created nor destroyed, simply being. Thus such binary configurations exists as possible states of existence, that can be experienced by conscious minds, and be as indistinguishable from the real as our own reality is for us.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
The fact is I beilieve in digital physics, some day inside a simulated reality, people may be born believing in Santa, and the simulated physical laws of that reality would allow for a Santa to exist. Such exists as a possibility in existence, a possibility is an idea, an idea is eternal in nature, neither created nor destroyed, simply being. Thus such binary configurations exists as possible states of existence, that can be experienced by conscious minds, and be as indistinguishable from the real as our own reality is for us.

Digital Physics? What an oxymoron.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
There are various forms of multi-verse beliefs, some indicate that any thing that can exist exists.



I use machine to describe a meaningful function of information, you could call it simply functions too and ignore the hardware aspects as it is all software running in existence. That humans are collections of cells which are collections of molecular machines and structural matter is not open for debate.

It is quite clear why I use that word, I'm not simply putting it there without any underlying meaning.

As for God by definition of powers he must be doing everything, or he wouldn't have all powers, and be the higgest overall pattern that collectively emerges out of all actions. Belief in a real God puts every other thing in doubt, as it would imply that it is all just one being playing along.



Yes but it is not as fun, nor are the responses as entertaining

information is a bagur term. to begin with, you need a context{i.e. human conciousness and awarenesss} to even define sumthing physical{i.e. patterns in physical configuration} as INFORMATION. you are approaching this from a very hardline materialistic point of view which i think is false. the hard question of conciousness can not be answered purely physically as far as i am aware. you shud look into dualism.

also your rationalisation of god;s purpose and power are incorrect as the content is lacking and you are basing your argument completely on a flawed sort of lingustic reasoning. also, the thing you are describing there can more simply be described as consistant REALITY, as opposed to GOD.

{also, just food for thought, but what if the universe isnt homogenous everywhere and things which are fundamentally true for one part are not true for the other?}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
information is a bagur term. to begin with, you need a context{i.e. human conciousness and awarenesss} to even define sumthing physical{i.e. patterns in physical configuration} as INFORMATION. you are approaching this from a very hardline materialistic point of view which i think is false. the hard question of conciousness can not be answered purely physically as far as i am aware. you shud look into dualism.

also your rationalisation of god;s purpose and power are incorrect as the content is lacking and you are basing your argument completely on a flawed sort of lingustic reasoning. also, the thing you are describing there can more simply be described as consistant REALITY, as opposed to GOD.

{also, just food for thought, but what if the universe isnt homogenous everywhere and things which are fundamentally true for one part are not true for the other?}

I believe everything is computable, as one who believes in digital physics. Read some thing like "a new kind of science", to see what some of us believe. The problem of consciousness can be solved from a hard materialistic point of view. By assuming a network gives meaning through associations, dynamic links that compete and are selected in a hierarchical yet modular structure.

When I speak of information, I speak of bits, everything is digital in nature. Every thing else arises out of the associations that emerge amongst such bits. Matter is information following certain rules, there exist the possibility that different rules are followed elsewhere, be it in other realities or within simulations.


Whether god exists or not can be debated by immortal atheist(s), agnostic(s), deist(s) forever. It is not a thing that can be easily decided as more arguments can pop-up in favor, in raising doubts, and against. Knowing that something can be debated forever sheds light on the debate.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
The fact is I beilieve in digital physics, some day inside a simulated reality, people may be born believing in Santa, and the simulated physical laws of that reality would allow for a Santa to exist. Such exists as a possibility in existence, a possibility is an idea, an idea is eternal in nature, neither created nor destroyed, simply being. Thus such binary configurations exists as possible states of existence, that can be experienced by conscious minds, and be as indistinguishable from the real as our own reality is for us.

You're talking about the possibility of a computer simulation able to create conscious beings. Interesting stuff, no doubt, but completely off-topic. It still does nothing to validate your incoherent understanding of M-theory, which is the central point to our current communication.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You're talking about the possibility of a computer simulation able to create conscious beings. Interesting stuff, no doubt, but completely off-topic. It still does nothing to validate your incoherent understanding of M-theory, which is the central point to our current communication. I believe the higher dimensions are definable in terms of traversals of lower dimensions. Changes to a binary string, can be equated with traversals of higher dimensions. A computer superhuman artificial intelligence can understand and analyze higher dimensions through the use of binary language.

no more no less thanthose who cling to scriptures

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I believe the higher dimensions are definable in terms of traversals of lower dimensions. Changes to a binary string, can be equated with traversals of higher dimensions. A computer superhuman artificial intelligence can understand and analyze higher dimensions through the use of binary language.

Which again, A. makes no sense (the first sentence is particularly laughable in its ambiguity and lack of definite meaning) and B. is absurdly off-topic. This confirms your ideas on M-theory how? Oh wait, you never address the point directly.

Troll, as usual.

Originally posted by anaconda
no more no less thanthose who cling to scriptures

Nah, he was just dodging the point with more incoherent babble. Though yes, the dogmatic reliance on such fanciful half-ideas isn't unlike peoples' rigid faith in scripture, so I'll agree there.

How many nes Zelda's can be made? 1? 2? 3? infinite? Infinitely many finite? Infinitely many infinite? a single infinite?

How many marios'? mega mans'? The answer is the same...

How many 3d ones? The answer is the same.

How many photorealistic simulated ones with full sensory input simulation? Indistinguishable from the real for a human brain? The answer is the same.

The dimension of time, is a spatial dimension too, each moment is a 3d block representing a moment, the moments connect to each other through mathematical relationships, giving the illusion of the passing of time, of the present. It is all just one big solid ethereal block of existence, a mathematical structure amidst mathematical structures.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I believe everything is computable, as one who believes in digital physics. Read some thing like "a new kind of science", to see what some of us believe. The problem of consciousness can be solved from a hard materialistic point of view. By assuming a network gives meaning through associations, dynamic links that compete and are selected in a hierarchical yet modular structure.

When I speak of information, I speak of bits, everything is digital in nature. Every thing else arises out of the associations that emerge amongst such bits. Matter is information following certain rules, there exist the possibility that different rules are followed elsewhere, be it in other realities or within simulations.


Whether god exists or not can be debated by immortal atheist(s), agnostic(s), deist(s) forever. It is not a thing that can be easily decided as more arguments can pop-up in favor, in raising doubts, and against. Knowing that something can be debated forever sheds light on the debate.

computing in itself is just like any system of entropy, nuthing truly unique about it. it only seems like COMPUTATION or PROCESSING when we look at it from a certain POINT OF VIEW, a point of view which emerges as a result of our biased CONCIOUSNESS. have you heard the phrase"if a tree falls and no1 hears/sees it falll, has it really fallen?". all definitions and conceptions of reality are based on our biased point of view due to our conciousness. things do not COMPUTE in and of themselves, only in our eyes.

the problem of conciousness can NOT be solved from a hardline materialist point of view. the emergent phenomenon you have referred to requires an infinite regress of homunculi.

the arguments for the existance of supernatural or illogical phenomenon perhaps is hard to dismiss completely, on the other hand, the argument of the existance of a figre resembling even vaguely, the gods of the monotheistic or popular polythesitic relegions is almost non existance as evidence against this god's properties has already been provided by logic/science and observation.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
computing in itself is just like any system of entropy, nuthing truly unique about it. it only seems like COMPUTATION or PROCESSING when we look at it from a certain POINT OF VIEW, a point of view which emerges as a result of our biased CONCIOUSNESS. have you heard the phrase"if a tree falls and no1 hears/sees it falll, has it really fallen?". all definitions and conceptions of reality are based on our biased point of view due to our conciousness. things do not COMPUTE in and of themselves, only in our eyes.

the problem of conciousness can NOT be solved from a hardline materialist point of view. the emergent phenomenon you have referred to requires an infinite regress of homunculi.

the arguments for the existance of supernatural or illogical phenomenon perhaps is hard to dismiss completely, on the other hand, the argument of the existance of a figre resembling even vaguely, the gods of the monotheistic or popular polythesitic relegions is almost non existance as evidence against this god's properties has already been provided by logic/science and observation.

As for computation the brain is able to get away without homunculi. Right now there's an exchange of binary information between my pc, the server, and your pc. The binary data is translated into english, but the true translation into the language of thought occurs when the information enters through the eyes into the brain.

Without homunculi, a web of meaning can emerge where patterns are tied and bound together by relationships and links that survive through an evolutionary algorithm applied to links|associations. All you're is a collection of memories, dynamically associated ones, with complex behaviour arcs.

As for God, worse case scenario is that we all share a single soul|consciousness|being and are just one being separated through machinery, ideas, thoughts... separated into different instantiations of a human being, with a few random environmental and genetic variables defining different attitudes and personalities... I think therefore I am, and if all that is is what I am, then I am that I am.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
As for computation the brain is able to get away without homunculi. Right now there's an exchange of binary information between my pc, the server, and your pc. The binary data is translated into english, but the true translation into the language of thought occurs when the information enters through the eyes into the brain.

Without homunculi, a web of meaning can emerge where patterns are tied and bound together by relationships and links that survive through an evolutionary algorithm applied to links|associations. All you're is a collection of memories, dynamically associated ones, with complex behaviour arcs.

As for God, worse case scenario is that we all share a single soul|consciousness|being and are just one being separated through machinery, ideas, thoughts... separated into different instantiations of a human being, with a few random environmental and genetic variables defining different attitudes and personalities... I think therefore I am, and if all that is is what I am, then I am that I am.

differentiate between SENSING and FEELING. biological machines like you describe can SENSE and REACT, however, FEALING, isnt a direct result {or a logical} one of that PHYSICAL interaction, hence qualia is still required to FEEL. we are not philosophical zombies.

"YOU" think, there you are.

this YOU can not be accounted for by purely physical causality.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
this YOU can not be accounted for by purely physical causality.

Sure it can....though I realize that likely puts me in temporary alignment with ESN, which is about the last place I'd want to be most times.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
differentiate between SENSING and FEELING. biological machines like you describe can SENSE and REACT, however, FEALING, isnt a direct result {or a logical} one of that PHYSICAL interaction, hence qualia is still required to FEEL. we are not philosophical zombies.

"YOU" think, there you are.

this YOU can not be accounted for by purely physical causality.

There is a way a physical relationship, a series of patterns, can connect with a qualia. Just like an equation can connect to a graph. The way information is processed and the representations connected in the brain may lead to such things as qualia.

In fact this relationship must exist, for beings with brains or brain-like structures claim to feel qualia, while beings without don't even make claims.

Now I should add, the fact that such a relationship exists does not deny the existence of qualia, after all Plato said it first. Qualia exist independent of time and space, like graphs exist independent of the equations that define them but yet are defined by them, so too do qualia exist(redness, greeness, etc) and are defined by representations that occur in the physical brain.