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I will probably try and use public transportation more and will look into something like a 60 mpg motorcycle.

At what point do you think the economy will really break down due to gas prices being so high?

There are at least 3 gas topics. Why not post there?

Because I am too lazy to look past the first page or use the search function?

It's a few topics down from this one...

But to answer your question, I don't think a lot of people have a choice. I have to commute between cities during the school year

hopefully more than 200 of these bad boys on the road...

http://www.livescience.com/technology/080616-ap-zero-emissions.html

I'd say the economy is already starting to break down. Workplace psychologists are starting to see some connection between workplace anxiety and high fuel prices.

Originally posted by chithappens
It's a few topics down from this one...

But to answer your question, I don't think a lot of people have a choice. I have to commute between cities during the school year

You are correct, I don't know how I missed that..thanks.


Mods can close this or just merge it with the other one.

Maybe buy a diesel car and convert it to run on vegetable oil.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Maybe buy a diesel car and convert it to run on vegetable oil.

Does that actually work well?

Yeah. Some guy did it off Chinese cooking oil and he was on the Today Show.

He was also on Conan O'Brian. He said the exhaust smells just like Kung Pao Chicken.

Demand for renewable energy is going to skyrocket.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Demand for renewable energy is going to skyrocket.

Exxon Mobile execs disagree with you.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Maybe buy a diesel car and convert it to run on vegetable oil.

Hard part of that is finding a reliable source of used oil now. The companies that typically take the used oil from restaurants are paying for it now (they sell it off to be converted into bio-diesel or a blend of), so those same restaurants are less inclined to give it away for free.

It is (can be) illegal as well, as that used oil is considered hazardous and has mandates on how it should be dealt with, which generally doesn't include Joe Diesel picking it up in containers to take home for filtering and powering the auto.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Exxon Mobile execs disagree with you. If gas gets up to $7/gallon in 2 years, demand for renewable energy damn well better increase. Otherwise I'd lose all hope.

My dad is selling his downtown property to a bunch of guys who are gonna use it as a storage lot for those electric cars.

Originally posted by KidRock
Does that actually work well?

It does, especially if you use a professional conversion, though a home conversion will work if you have the know how and are mechanically inclined.

Main problem is finding a constant and reliable source of fuel. Any family or friends that own a restaurant with a fryer?

Originally posted by Strangelove
If gas gets up to $7/gallon in 2 years, demand for renewable energy damn well better increase. Otherwise I'd lose all hope.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was mocking the shortsideness of the Exxon Mobile execs by using your very true post as a spring board.

Originally posted by inimalist
hopefully more than 200 of these bad boys on the road...

http://www.livescience.com/technology/080616-ap-zero-emissions.html

I'd say the economy is already starting to break down. Workplace psychologists are starting to see some connection between workplace anxiety and high fuel prices.
Even if they do mass produce them, most likely they will cost $500 or more a month, so a person would essentially be putting the same amount of money towards the car as they do gas right now.

If I'm wrong correct me, but the point of these cars is to help lessen the amount of money people are putting towards gas?

It's a beginning to encourage the infrastructure for an alternative fuel (hydrogen). Though I can't see this taking off anytime soon, when/if it does and hydrogen stations start popping up from West to East Coast, don't expect to pay a lot less for a gallon of hydrogen. But at least it's more environmentally friendly than gasoline and supposedly gives you more mileage for your dollar.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a beginning to encourage the infrastructure for an alternative fuel (hydrogen). Though I can't see this taking off anytime soon, when/if it does and hydrogen stations start popping up from West to East Coast, don't expect to pay a lot less for a gallon of hydrogen. But at least it's more environmentally friendly than gasoline and supposedly gives you more mileage for your dollar.

I thought it was a little over 2 bucks a gallon?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought it was a little over 2 bucks a gallon?

Because there is a very small percentage of cars on the road that use it. If those cars begin to replace conventional fueled cars by a sizable percentage and stations become common, you'll be paying similar fuel prices.

We're paying an average of $4.50 now and models predict that people will still pay even if it goes higher (which it will), so why should they sell something that's comparable/better for half the price when people will pay more? The selling points are: better fuel mileage, eco-safety and the 'free from foreign oil dependency' card. That's the angle.

Some French company designed an engine/car that runs on water, the selling points are: zero pollution and water is free or cheap. IF that thing were to be massed produced, you can bet your lilly-white ass the government will find a way to tax you on water hand-over-fist.

Originally posted by KidRock
I will probably try and use public transportation more and will look into something like a 60 mpg motorcycle.

At what point do you think the economy will really break down due to gas prices being so high?
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if you dont like it you can just move to europe where they pay 8$ a gallon

GO DUBYA!

Just keep driving my 03 Toyota Corolla for now. Maybe trade it in two years for a newer model. I would get a one year non operating permit from the DMV for my Cadillac...then keep it in the garage.

Do what I do now, walk and use public transport. I can drive but choose not to, it proves cheaper and also means that I'm never a designated driver.

Invent a car that is fueled off of porn.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hard part of that is finding a reliable source of used oil now. The companies that typically take the used oil from restaurants are paying for it now (they sell it off to be converted into bio-diesel or a blend of), so those same restaurants are less inclined to give it away for free.

It is (can be) illegal as well, as that used oil is considered hazardous and has mandates on how it should be dealt with, which generally doesn't include Joe Diesel picking it up in containers to take home for filtering and powering the auto.

Yeah well, you don't actually have to use USED oil. It works with unused oil as well. And since the price of vegatable oil is cheaper than gas, it's a steal. The people who I've met that use used oil filter it in their garage, I'm guessing that's what the mandates are about. One guy I met buys old ambulances at auctions, converts them to run on vegetable oil, then uses them for his business. He even uses the old stretchers to carry equipment to and from houses and businesses. He runs a moble computer tech company.

Buying fresh vegetable oil would break your wallet, even if you bought in bulk. The price of veggie oil will also only increase as the demand for it as a fuel increases. The growing biodiesel market has and will continue to skyrocker the prices.

Edit:Not to mention that some kinds of veggie oils are not recommended as they'd ruin the engine in time, which coincidentally happen to be the cheaper oils.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because there is a very small percentage of cars on the road that use it. If those cars begin to replace conventional fueled cars by a sizable percentage and stations become common, you'll be paying similar fuel prices.

We're paying an average of $4.50 now and models predict that people will still pay even if it goes higher (which it will), so why should they sell something that's comparable/better for half the price when people will pay more? The selling points are: better fuel mileage, eco-safety and the 'free from foreign oil dependency' card. That's the angle.

Some French company designed an engine/car that runs on water, the selling points are: zero pollution and water is free or cheap. IF that thing were to be massed produced, you can bet your lilly-white ass the government will find a way to tax you on water hand-over-fist.

Thanks for that. That was a lot of good info. It always helps to just sit back and absorb the insight from someone else's perspective.

I found an article on hydrogen costs for fuel cell cars...

"The National Academy of Sciences/National research Council studied this question. Data provided in the NRC report show that the cost of hydrogen per mile driven ought to be between 27% to 52% lower than the cost of gasoline at $1.80/gallon in a conventional car, and between 3% more to 32% less than the cost of gasoline used in a hybrid electric vehicle."

http://www.fuelcells.org/info/library/QuestionsandAnswers062404.pdf

The info you and I are looking for is on page 6.

On page 7, even if we add in the fuel tax of 43 cents a gallon, it is still less than half the cost of gasoline. Like I thought, it is close to $2.

As processes become more common and extremely efficient to collect hydrogen from water, we will only see that cost go down. There's even "plans" for hydrogen producing units in the home for making your own fuel. They said it would be the size of a vending machine. Can you imagine? Getting "gas" from your own water supply? LOL, just the thought makes me happy. Foreign oil dependency, F*** YOU!


Also, it is absurdly cheaper to install and maintain a "hydrogen fueling depot" on a massive scale than it is to just maintain the current petro infrastructure. It looks like a pretty damned obvious choice to "just do it". $15 billion, which was the high end estimate to get a "hydrogen fueling pump within 2 miles of the homes of 70% of the US population as well as every 25 miles on the interstates connecting the 100 largest cities", is chump change for a company like Exxon Mobile. Bust out the vehicles and get the hydrogen infrastructure in place. Can you imagine the ridiculous profits a company like Exxon Mobile would reap if they made a $15 investment and were the ONLY ones to offer that product for several years? They would solidify themselves in that market, ridiculously, and only extreme stupidity on their part would cause them to fall (Enron). IMO, they should arrange to have Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc. have a massive parallel production of fuel cell cars ready in time for Exxon to complete in hydrogen fuel pump infrastructure.

I just don't understand why the big American oil companies haven't vested interest into this fuel cell technology. It makes not sense to me. There is a much greater profit margin relative to petro: being "firsties" into the business and all that extremely competitive position has to offer, and gaining favor in the public eye of both green peeps and patriots. (Patriots because it would aid in relieving foreign oil dependency.)


You know what's also sad? The Federal government could EASILY fund a project to get hydrogen fuel pumps installed. $22 billion on this airplane, $52 billion on improving a defense program...it's mere chump change.

Originally posted by BackFire
Invent a car that is fueled off of porn.

waste of porn

Originally posted by Schecter
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if you dont like it you can just move to europe where they pay 8$ a gallon

GO DUBYA!


Another troll job by PVS

thank god for my compact! The price rose 25 cents just today.

And I travel a lot. This is so not cool.

We don't have a transit system here.

Originally posted by KidRock
Another troll job by PVS

That's an ironic accusation.

Originally posted by KidRock
At what point do you think the economy will really break down due to gas prices being so high?

It is really breaking down. They've reached that point, and they keep going.

Originally posted by KidRock
Another troll job by PVS

I think many believe that there is a direct correlation between recent U.S. foreign policies and actions of the current administration and the current economic situation.

i'll move to mexico because gas down there is 2 bucks a gallon. alot of people from california to new orleans are going there for gas. imho the usa should just buy mexico and make that another prtion of california.

Originally posted by Schecter
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if you dont like it you can just move to europe where they pay 8$ a gallon

GO DUBYA!

Ironically enough if your lord and savior Obama is elected I wont have to leave America to see 8 dollars a gallon. More taxes for the win!

Originally posted by KidRock
Ironically enough if your lord and savior Obama is elected I wont have to leave America to see 8 dollars a gallon. More taxes for the win!

Gas was at a national average of about $1.50 when your lord and savior G.W. Bush took office, it just 8 little years, it has gone up to $4.50 and rising. So, yeah.

Originally posted by Robtard
Gas was at a national average of about $1.50 when your lord and savior G.W. Bush took office, it just 8 little years, it has gone up to $4.50 and rising. So, yeah.





f*ck bush that mans the antichrist in training.

Originally posted by P23
f*ck bush that mans the antichrist in training.

I wouldn't go that far on either count, he does like to hang around Prince Abdullah though.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/pics/Islamic_Clubs_Taliban/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg

Originally posted by P23
alot of people from california to new orleans are going there for gas. imho the usa should just buy mexico and make that another prtion of california.

That's just plain stupid. Driving down to Mexico to fuel the tank and drive back home...yeah, I can see saving money on all those trips. Pretty smart...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's just plain stupid. Driving down to Mexico to fuel the tank and drive back home...yeah, I can see saving money on all those trips. Pretty smart...






like i said we should buy out mexico and make it a state. if you look at california its basicly a portion of mexico. i got family that live in L.A and im going there in september or october.

Originally posted by P23
like i said we should buy out mexico and make it a state. if you look at california its basicly a portion of mexico. i got family that live in L.A and im going there in september or october.

Hopefuly you're not serious. But if you factor in the cost of "buying Mexico", it would render whatever fuel savings you think you'd gain obsolete. Not to mention, if Mexico became a US state, the price of a gallon of fuel would probably rise too. Lay off the weed, son.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hopefuly you're not serious. But if you factor in the cost of "buying Mexico", it would render whatever fuel savings you think you'd gain obsolete. Not to mention, if Mexico became a US state, the price of a gallon of fuel would probably rise too. Lay off the weed, son.

I'm not for sure....but I think his was a joke about "everyone is mexican in california anyway." If not, I guess I was searching too hard for humor in his usually joke filled posts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Gas was at a national average of about $1.50 when your lord and savior G.W. Bush took office, it just 8 little years, it has gone up to $4.50 and rising. So, yeah.

Gas has gone up all over the world, not just in the US.

Or does G.W. control the world as well?

Originally posted by KidRock
Or does G.W. control the world as well?

No, but he does a good job of f*cking it up.

Originally posted by KidRock
Gas has gone up all over the world, not just in the US.

Or does G.W. control the world as well?

Everyone knows that Bush is responsible for everything bad. Even the extension of the dinosaurs was his fault.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Everyone knows that Bush is responsible for everything bad. Even the extension of the dinosaurs was his fault.





bush didnt kill the dinos MCCAIN DID

Originally posted by P23
bush didnt kill the dinos MCCAIN DID

Oh that's right, I almost forgot, McCain is Bush.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Oh that's right, I almost forgot, McCain is Bush.




bush reminds me of emporer palpatine from star wars. they look alike. mccain on the other hand is a gian ugly yoda clone

Originally posted by KidRock
Gas has gone up all over the world, not just in the US.

Or does G.W. control the world as well?

Not on the same scale, not even close. If it had, the rest of the world would be paying 3-4 times as much too. Hint: They aren't.

Funny though, gas prices raise exponentially during Bush's two terms, you say "Meh, it just happened". But now you're crying that if a Democrat gets elected, gas will raise as a direct result.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not on the same scale, not even close. If it had, the rest of the world would be paying 3-4 times as much too. Hint: They aren't.

Funny though, gas prices raise exponentially during Bush's two terms, you say "Meh, it just happened". But now you're crying that if a Democrat gets elected, gas will raise as a direct result.

Well the difference is at least McCain will attempt to lower prices, he has said he will support drilling in Alaska and off shore. While all I have heard from Obama is more taxes..along with "change" and "hope" and all that irrelevant stuff

it would take at least 10 years just to break ground and another 20 or more years to begin pumping oil. thats the reality of the situation. republicans have you people believing that you'll see results this year, which is easy because you're stupid.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well the difference is at least McCain will attempt to lower prices, he has said he will support drilling in Alaska and off shore. While all I have heard from Obama is more taxes..along with "change" and "hope" and all that irrelevant stuff

I'm guessing you know that this has been voted on over and over in Congress and that the president does not have the overall say in the matter.

Sigh, people need to at least google shit about gas prices and then talk about it. It is not all about supply. Really, that has very little to do with it.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well the difference is at least McCain will attempt to lower prices, he has said he will support drilling in Alaska and off shore. While all I have heard from Obama is more taxes..along with "change" and "hope" and all that irrelevant stuff

Obama could also support drilling in ANWAR, doesn't mean the measure will pass either, as the president doesn't make that call. So in essence, it's an empty promise.

Here's a question, who do you think is more politically connected to OPEC/Big Oil, Obama or McCain?

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm guessing you know that this has been voted on over and over in Congress and that the president does not have the overall say in the matter.

Sigh, people need to at least google shit about gas prices and then talk about it. It is not all about supply. Really, that has very little to do with it.

So then please..what is Obama's plan to lower the cost of oil/gas? In the long run drilling in Alaska would help. Higher supply = lower cost.

Unless you believe we will find a new source of energy within the next 10 years that will be able to fuel the world...lol...but hey, "hope!".


A national impact study by Wharton Econometrics estimates total employment at full production in ANWR to be 735,000 jobs. Federal revenues would be enhanced by billions of dollars from bonus bids, lease rentals, royalties and taxes.

Anwr.org

You do understand demand is not the reason why gas is so high, right?

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm guessing you know that this has been voted on over and over in Congress and that the president does not have the overall say in the matter.

Sigh, people need to at least google shit about gas prices and then talk about it. It is not all about supply. Really, that has very little to do with it.

Originally posted by KidRock
So then please..what is Obama's plan to lower the cost of oil/gas? In the long run drilling in Alaska would help. Higher supply = lower cost.

Unless you believe we will find a new source of energy within the next 10 years that will be able to fuel the world...lol...but hey, "hope!".




After careful, intricate analysis here's what I came up with :

1) I did not mention Obama. I have not even said I would vote Obama on KMC at any point.

2) He did not even address my point (supply and demand are not what drives gas prices) and it has been covered in the other gas related topics.

3) I did not even mention a new source of energy. I was talking about the price of gas.

Originally posted by chithappens


3) I did not even mention a new source of energy. I was talking about the price of gas.

You said supply has very little to do with the price of gas. According to the laws of supply and demand, wouldnt it have quite a large role?




Originally posted by chithappens
It is not all about supply. Really, that has very little to do with it.


Originally posted by RocasAtoll
You do understand demand is not the reason why gas is so high, right?

Please someone enlighten me.

If things got that bad, I'd probably swap out my 5 speed transmission and replace it with a 6-speed, with the 6th gear being a tall overdrive gear. I get 28 mpg hwy already, so adding a 6th overdrive gear could probably improve my hwy fuel economy dramatically. Hell, having 6th ratioed for acceleration would still probably see an improvement in fuel economy.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
If things got that bad, I'd probably swap out my 5 speed transmission and replace it with a 6-speed, with the 6th gear being a tall overdrive gear. I get 28 mpg hwy already, so adding a 6th overdrive gear could probably improve my hwy fuel economy dramatically. Hell, having 6th ratioed for acceleration would still probably see an improvement in fuel economy.
A few things to consider:

What would be the cost of this 6-speed transmission with parts and labor factored in?

How much of your driving is highway-driving where you're in highest gear.

How much would your gas mileage from 5th to 6th improve? Most likely, it wouldn't be more than a few mpg. (really depends on the car and how many RPMs your car drops cruising at say 70 mph)

Because if it's going to cost you $2,500 to change out, you only cruise on the highway an average of 15 miles a day and it only gives you a 3 mpg improvement. You might want to just pocket that money for gas or invest in a highly fuel efficient car for the long haul.

Originally posted by KidRock
You said supply has very little to do with the price of gas. According to the laws of supply and demand, wouldnt it have quite a large role?









Please someone enlighten me.

Other topic

Lazy ass. It has been discussed in other topics also. Just scroll down.

Besides, it is kinda random that "supply" became an issue around the same time all these campaigns post 9/11 came about.

Originally posted by Robtard
A few things to consider:

What would be the cost of this 6-speed transmission with parts and labor factored in?

How much of your driving is highway-driving where you're in highest gear.

How much would your gas mileage from 5th to 6th improve? Most likely, it wouldn't be more than a few mpg. (really depends on the car and how many RPMs your car drops cruising at say 70 mph)

Because if it's going to cost you $2,500 to change out, you only cruise on the highway an average of 15 miles a day and it only gives you a 3 mpg improvement. You might want to just pocket that money for gas or invest in a highly fuel efficient car for the long haul.

Transmission would be expensive, but I would install it myself.

At least 95% of my driving is highway driving

I'm currently revving to 3,000rpm at 70mph and I've read of people just leaving the same gearing in the first five with the 6th dropping it about 1 grand to 2,000rpm at 70 mph, which is substantial.

Cost wouldn't really be an issue to me, honestly. My commute is roughly 40 miles a day, and I have too much fun with the car. I guess I could always get a 335d when it comes out and just make the M my weekend car, but I would never get rid of it. It's too much fun.

The news stories that crack me up are the ones where they say "Breaking News! The price of gas is so high, people are having to walk to work!"

Now just hearing that, it may sound logical. But if you think about it, the furthest a reasonable person would be willing to walk to work is about 2 miles. So if you're willing to walk 4 miles round-trip per day to avoid paying 1/8th of a gallon, either you're hell-bent on getting in shape or you really need to check the classifieds.

Originally posted by botankus
The news stories that crack me up are the ones where they say "Breaking News! The price of gas is so high, people are having to walk to work!"

Now just hearing that, it may sound logical. But if you think about it, the furthest a reasonable person would be willing to walk to work is about 2 miles. So if you're willing to walk 4 miles round-trip per day to avoid paying 1/10th of a gallon, either you're hell-bent on getting in shape or you really need to check the classifieds.

Could buy a bicycle.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Could buy a bicycle.
That I could see. It's the whole walking thing that cracks me up.

Maybe if the guy was an Olympic long-distance runner, it would make sense.

Petrol prices in Britain (and most of Europe) are almost three times the US, because of lack of government support for oil companies.

I dont drive. I dont even have a license. But, if gas did top the $7 mark. I would certainly continue bitching and moaning even more.

No. Not If I win the lottery.

Originally posted by KidRock


At what point do you think the economy will really break down due to gas prices being so high?

The economy will change not collapse.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Transmission would be expensive, but I would install it myself.

At least 95% of my driving is highway driving

I'm currently revving to 3,000rpm at 70mph and I've read of people just leaving the same gearing in the first five with the 6th dropping it about 1 grand to 2,000rpm at 70 mph, which is substantial.

Cost wouldn't really be an issue to me, honestly. My commute is roughly 40 miles a day, and I have too much fun with the car. I guess I could always get a 335d when it comes out and just make the M my weekend car, but I would never get rid of it. It's too much fun.


Bragger.

We should all just wind surf.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
We should all just wind surf.

that shit is just impractical, man.


Kangaroo's, we should all breed our own roo's and ride around in their pouches.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
that shit is just impractical, man.


Kangaroo's, we should all breed our own roo's and ride around in their pouches.

Oh yeah, that's true.

Originally posted by botankus
That I could see. It's the whole walking thing that cracks me up.

Maybe if the guy was an Olympic long-distance runner, it would make sense.

Walking two miles...is not a difficult task, its actually good for you...why would anyone drive that distance...(assuming they're not living in a rural area)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Walking two miles...is not a difficult task, its actually good for you...why would anyone drive that distance...(assuming they're not living in a rural area)

Well, walking 2 miles in 100+ degree weather doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I could be wrong. I'm not totally close minded: I'm open to a counter justification.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, walking 2 miles in 100+ degree weather doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I could be wrong. I'm not totally close minded: I'm open to a counter justification.

They'd get used to it...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
They'd get used to it...

Why would I want to walk for twenty minutes each day, sweating my ass of?

I'd still sweat quite a bit on the way to work, as well. (If it was only two miles.)

Maybe if I worked on a farm or did construction, it would be OK. Since I work in an office and I have to look professional, walking to work isn't an option.

idLl5bKDyrA

Bet you really regret voting for him now.

If all some people are doing with their cars is driving the two miles to work everyday and they're still complaining about the price of gas, then they're either on an incredibly shit wage, or should learn that money is for spending.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
If all some people are doing with their cars is driving the two miles to work everyday and they're still complaining about the price of gas, then they're either on an incredibly shit wage, or should learn that money is for spending. Well Americans spend most of their money on defective insurance companies.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well Americans spend most of their money on defective insurance companies.

It's true. weep